Floridian Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, dinarham said: Presidental Order in 2003 allowed US citizens to buy dinar . If anyone is scamming it's Bush and the US government , not likely This is the order everyone always refers to. However, I just read it again (after many years) and don't see where it allows us to buy dinar. Can someone please point out where it says that - that I hopefully missed in reading it. For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary May 22, 2003 Executive Order Executive Order Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq Has An Interest By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), section 5 of the United Nations Participation Act, as amended (22 U.S.C. 287c) (UNPA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that the threat of attachment or other judicial process against the Development Fund for Iraq, Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, obstructs the orderly reconstruction of Iraq, the restoration and maintenance of peace and security in the country, and the development of political, administrative, and economic institutions in Iraq. This situation constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat. I hereby order: Section 1. Unless licensed or otherwise authorized pursuant to this order, any attachment, judgment, decree, lien, execution, garnishment, or other judicial process is prohibited, and shall be deemed null and void, with respect to the following: (a) the Development Fund for Iraq, and (b) all Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons. Sec. 2. (a) As of the effective date of this order, Executive Order 12722 of August 2, 1990, Executive Order 12724 of August 9, 1990, and Executive Order 13290 of March 20, 2003, shall not apply to the property and interests in property described in section 1 of this order. (b) Nothing in this order is intended to affect the continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations, orders, licenses or other forms of administrative action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore or hereafter under Executive Orders 12722, 12724, or 13290, or under the authority of IEEPA or the UNPA, except as hereafter terminated, modified, or suspended by the issuing Federal agency and except as provided in section 2(a) of this order. Sec. 3. For the purposes of this order: (a) The term "person" means an individual or entity; (b) The term "entity" means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization; (c) The term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any juris-diction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States; (d) The term "Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products" means any petroleum, petroleum products, or natural gas originating in Iraq, including any Iraqi-origin oil inventories, wherever located; and (e) The term "Development Fund for Iraq" means the fund established on or about May 22, 2003, on the books of the Central Bank of Iraq, by the Administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority responsible for the temporary governance of Iraq and all accounts held for the fund or for the Central Bank of Iraq in the name of the fund. Sec. 4. (a) The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulga-tion of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA and the UNPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States Government. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their statutory authority to carry out the provisions of this order. (b) Nothing contained in this order shall relieve a person from any requirement to obtain a license or other authorization in compliance with applicable laws and regulations. Sec. 5. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. Sec. 6. This order shall be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register. GEORGE W. BUSH THE WHITE HOUSE, May 22, 2003. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckFinley Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 hours ago, King Bean said: Interesting how the article mentions only "Trump" supporters. As if Trump is leading the misinformation on IQD. No wonder todays MSN poll on citizen belief in news sources says 63% distrust the media outlets. So all you democrats who supported Hilarious and O-blaba, please bundle your dinar and send it to me. There will be no hard feelings. LOL. People still neglect to remember the SIGIR report to US Congress in 2012 that stated the IQD would quickly climb back to a value nearing $1.17 USD. Equalled your red rubie my friend. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theseus Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 5 hours ago, King Bean said: Interesting how the article mentions only "Trump" supporters. As if Trump is leading the misinformation on IQD. No wonder todays MSN poll on citizen belief in news sources says 63% distrust the media outlets. So all you democrats who supported Hilarious and O-blaba, please bundle your dinar and send it to me. There will be no hard feelings. LOL. People still neglect to remember the SIGIR report to US Congress in 2012 that stated the IQD would quickly climb back to a value nearing $1.17 USD. What's ironic is that you believed the poll from a lamestream media outlet when the actual percentage is grossly more than 63% that distrust media outlets. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theseus Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) ..double mint Edited November 20, 2018 by Theseus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82Corp. Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Floridian said: This is the order everyone always refers to. However, I just read it again (after many years) and don't see where it allows us to buy dinar. Can someone please point out where it says that - that I hopefully missed in reading it. For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary May 22, 2003 Executive Order Executive Order Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq Has An Interest By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), section 5 of the United Nations Participation Act, as amended (22 U.S.C. 287c) (UNPA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that the threat of attachment or other judicial process against the Development Fund for Iraq, Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, obstructs the orderly reconstruction of Iraq, the restoration and maintenance of peace and security in the country, and the development of political, administrative, and economic institutions in Iraq. This situation constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat. I hereby order: Section 1. Unless licensed or otherwise authorized pursuant to this order, any attachment, judgment, decree, lien, execution, garnishment, or other judicial process is prohibited, and shall be deemed null and void, with respect to the following: (a) the Development Fund for Iraq, and (b) all Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons. Sec. 2. (a) As of the effective date of this order, Executive Order 12722 of August 2, 1990, Executive Order 12724 of August 9, 1990, and Executive Order 13290 of March 20, 2003, shall not apply to the property and interests in property described in section 1 of this order. (b) Nothing in this order is intended to affect the continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations, orders, licenses or other forms of administrative action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore or hereafter under Executive Orders 12722, 12724, or 13290, or under the authority of IEEPA or the UNPA, except as hereafter terminated, modified, or suspended by the issuing Federal agency and except as provided in section 2(a) of this order. Sec. 3. For the purposes of this order: (a) The term "person" means an individual or entity; (b) The term "entity" means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization; (c) The term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any juris-diction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States; (d) The term "Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products" means any petroleum, petroleum products, or natural gas originating in Iraq, including any Iraqi-origin oil inventories, wherever located; and (e) The term "Development Fund for Iraq" means the fund established on or about May 22, 2003, on the books of the Central Bank of Iraq, by the Administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority responsible for the temporary governance of Iraq and all accounts held for the fund or for the Central Bank of Iraq in the name of the fund. Sec. 4. (a) The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulga-tion of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA and the UNPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States Government. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their statutory authority to carry out the provisions of this order. (b) Nothing contained in this order shall relieve a person from any requirement to obtain a license or other authorization in compliance with applicable laws and regulations. Sec. 5. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. Sec. 6. This order shall be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register. GEORGE W. BUSH THE WHITE HOUSE, May 22, 2003. It removes Executive Orders 12722 and 12724 imposed, read Sec 4 of each EO. Than read Sec 4 of 13303. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridian Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, 82Corp. said: It removes Executive Orders 12722 and 12724 imposed, read Sec 4 of each EO. Than read Sec 4 of 13303. Will do. Thank you, 82 Corp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3n1 Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, dinarham said: Presidental Order in 2003 allowed US citizens to buy dinar . If anyone is scamming it's Bush and the US government , not likely cant forget about usa banks they moved a ton of dinar scamming the heck outa poor innocent people LOL ... the part that is screamed to be a scam is the hugh windfall it is touted to deliver not the iqd , idk but by now the ones that were duped are probably long gone , the iqd is the legitimate currency of a sovereign country well the jury is still out on my last two statements .. cheers dv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrello Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Floridian, I believe you are looking for CPA 39 Foreign Investment which worked with EO 13303 to allow for IQD investment: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Order_39:_Foreign_Investment 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synopsis Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Floridian said: b) all Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons. Well, OK, No Mo Coffae’ For YOU TODAY, Floridian, AND All The Best To You, Sir!!! Give The Thinker A Rest, Dude, I, TOO, Am Getting Worn Out Just THINKING About All This Stuff!!! So, OK, is the Bicraqi Iraqi Dinar a “financial instrument of ANY Nature Whatsoever”???!!! (Hint: YES!!! ) So, OK (again), Are YOU “a United States Person”???!!! YEPPERS!!! YOU Are Golden, Brother!!! Besides, the currency dealers here in The United States Of America MUST BE Authorized by The U.S. Treasury to even sell Bicraqi Iraqi Dinar here in The United States If America!!! EO13303 AND The U.S. Treasury registration requirement were HUGE BOOSTS for ME for supporting the potential reality of THIS Speculative Bicraqi Iraqi Dinar Investment. Otherwise, why bother with THIS renewing EO13303 Yearly? So, OK, Floridian, You know I Love You Like A Brother so, maybe, once again, enjoy the Doris Day instructional video!!! In The Mean Time......................... Go Moola Nova! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridian Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Carrello said: Floridian, I believe you are looking for CPA 39 Foreign Investment which worked with EO 13303 to allow for IQD investment: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Order_39:_Foreign_Investment Thanks, Carrello. I just read the whole thing, but I don't see where it says we are allowed to buy the currency. We are allowed to invest in businesses in Iraq, but not own real estate, is what I read. I guess I stayed up too late last night and drank too much coffee, because I'm just not seeing it. ☹️ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridian Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Synopsis said: Well, OK, No Mo Coffae’ For YOU TODAY, Floridian, AND All The Best To You, Sir!!! Ohhhhhh! Now I see it. "or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons." and this - Oh yeah! I forgot about this: "Besides, the currency dealers here in The United States Of America MUST BE Authorized by The U.S. Treasury to even sell Bicraqi Iraqi Dinar here in The United States If America!!!" Thank you, Synopsis. I think I'll take a nap now. 😂 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunk Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Go RV ! > 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bean Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, ChuckFinley said: Equalled your red rubie my friend. Back at ya', Chuck. It's been one of those days. We need a Thug, Sandfly, Snowglobe sighting !! 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckFinley Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 That is for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico1 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 He doesn't mention that the Korean won is only worth about a tenth of a penny also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancy Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 6 hours ago, King Bean said: Back at ya', Chuck. It's been one of those days. We need a Thug, Sandfly, Snowglobe sighting !! Yes, haven't heard from any of them. Hope all is well. But I understand we all need to get off this rollercoaster every once in a while. News has been good, better now than it seems like before. 2019. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueskyline Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Most journalists and investigative reporters stop at the criminal cases of the dealers , the chat room pumpers , and us the investors they like to belittle . Sadly , for them and their audience they don't look any further into the matter of Iraq's news articles and reports of their peers in Iraqi journalism . If they did they would know of The Astronomical Wealth and coming Monetary reforms of Iraq and several other countries . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoviceInvestor Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) I bought mine at the end of 2008 .. I will admit I have been tempted to sell many times over, but 10 years on my greatest worry is that I dont forget where they are hidden..Lol🤣 Edited November 21, 2018 by NoviceInvestor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butifldrm Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) Newspaper reveals scams on American investors in the Iraqi dinar 12:39 - 21/11/2018 0 Information / Translation .. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A large number of supporters of US President Donald Trump have been defrauded by investing in Iraqi dinars and buying Iraqi currency on the grounds that the president had predicted that the value of the Iraqi dinar would rise in the coming years, the Daily PST newspaper reported Wednesday. "The American fraudsters who promote the Iraqi dinar told Trump supporters that: The president and the Iraqi government are conducting negotiations to revalue the Iraqi currency so that each Iraqi dinar is equivalent to three to four dollars," the newspaper said in a translation. "This propaganda about the value of the Iraqi dinar actually goes back to the price of the Iraqi dinar before the first Gulf War, but the sanctions and the years of war have been reduced to less than 10 cents in the United States." "The fraud in Iraqi dinars within the United States is particularly focused on Trump since 2015 because of rumors that Trump personally invested in the Iraqi dinar and he bought an Iraqi currency in millions of dollars." "It's not that currency appreciation is impossible, but the companies that sell the dinar are greatly exaggerating the possibility of raising the value of the Iraqi currency to that level," the paper quoted lawyer Jason Jason as saying. Ending / 25 z https://www.almaalomah.com/2018/11/21/366324/ Edited November 21, 2018 by Butifldrm 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaygo Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Hmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Americans buy millions of Iraqi dinars to realize their dream and wait for Trump Twilight News 29 minutes ago A number of Americans have been buying millions of Iraqi dinars in hopes of realizing their dream of becoming wealthy overnight. The media reported that those who support the policy of US President Donald Trump are counting on the latter to take a decision to raise the value of the Iraqi currency and become wealthy thanks to the exchange rate difference. The catalyst for buying the Iraqi dinar, which is currently worth $ 0.0084, is less than one cent. Newsweek reports that rumors that Trump was in power fueled the dream of the Americans, who spoke of the US government's intention to adjust the dinar exchange rate Iraqi to become equal to the US currency. Before the Second Gulf War (invasion of Kuwait) the value of the Iraqi dinar was more than three dollars, but this currency collapsed after the imposition of the siege on the regime of President Saddam Hussein in the nineties of the last century, and after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein returned and rose slightly and stabilized at 1200 dinars per dollar. Since then, a strange trend has appeared in the minds of investors, who have begun to invest money in the dinar in the hope that it will regain strength as it was before the second Gulf War. In 2006, American media, notably CNN, warned against buying the Iraqi currency. Despite these warnings and the deepening of the Iraqi crisis, a group of websites continued to sell the dinar to US customers. The idea of winning millions of Iraqi currency was widely spread during the Trump era, with some of its supporters misinterpreting statements made in April 2017 in response to China's manipulation of the yuan. Trump said all currencies would be "on an equal footing" Daily Beast "recently. As evidence of some Americans' desire to buy the dinar, the results of the search on Google and Twitter show that many still dream of the recovery of the Iraqi currency and hope that the American billionaire Trump, who became the head of the person who will achieve their dream. Keywords: 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 22 hours ago, King Bean said: Oh boy, I hope Coorslite21 doesn't see this and take offense. (see rumors section). Got your back CL !! No worries......"sharp knife"...."honed razor wire"...."dull"...."box of rocks".....all fit well for me....just happy to be a part of the ride.......CL 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 I believe George "W" was going to pay for the war with an RV... Obama was going to save our economy with an RV. Now Trump is going to make the RV happen... Honestly, America and certainly a president cannot flip the switch... We should all know by now this is controlled by the CBI... JMHO B/A 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new york kevin Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) I support POTUS Trump, yes. I have dinar in an amount I can afford to loose, yes. I had my dinar long long before Trump became Prez. Don't tell anyone but I bought IQD early enough that I could sell it now on Ebay at the going rate and make a tiny tiny profit. So I am in for the long haul. Edited November 21, 2018 by new york kevin 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANNY99 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 GO TRUMP GO RV!!!🤣 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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