MyLadiesDaddy Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Welcome back obravo. Doesn't it make sense that as the dollar collapses that the dinar would naturally rise in value as it's pegged to the dollar? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthwarrior Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 HR2847 is a very scary bill.they are putting their pieces in place and we are just sitting back and letting it happen.why do you think that the number of people leaving this country has increased so much.they see what we see but most of us don't have the resources to do that right now.if this thing rv's then I will be gone too.it makes me very angry and sad that it has come to this.i love my country.we have been misled for the last 50 years.shame on us.God bless 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterman13 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Agreed SW, wehave been mislead for years and the deception grows day by day. Sad. Wm13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNAR Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Yeah it does still look like a war zone over there. I was in Iraq in September visiting buddies of mine that work in the private security sector. It is getting better but a long way to go still. Sept was 8-9 months ago.... what about now? Also are you saying all the other countries over there with high currency doesn't look like a war zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGlobe7 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 b11..welcome back..for those that do not know him..I made the mistake in the past of not believing in him...I was corrected. Welcome back sir Thank you for bringing us what you have heard/know 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiljor Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Not being a economist or US citizen, just looking at the state of affairs of the US debt it just boggles the mind. Whether these figures are accurate or not they are there on the net in various formats for all to see. Bravo, your insight sounds real and refreshing and much appreciated. U.S. National Debt Clock May 2014 inShare 26 An Overview of the United States National Debt The Current Outstanding Public Debt of the United States is: $17,484,100,151,856.27 Last Updated: Friday, May 9th, 2014 Every man, woman and child in the United States currently owes $57,547 for their share of the U.S. public debt Public Debt: $12,497,316,116,027.16 Intragovernmental Holdings: $4,986,784,035,829.11 Total U.S. National Debt: $17,484,100,151,856.27 Question: Who owns the public debt? Answer: Mutual funds, pension funds, foreign governments, foreign investors, American investors, etc. Which Foreign governments own the most U.S. debt? Answer: Here is the Top 10 (as of Feb/2014) 1. China, Mainland, $1272.9 billion dollars 2. Japan, $1210.5 billion dollars 3. Belgium, $341.2 billion dollars 4. Carib Bkg Ctrs, $299.7 billion dollars 5. Brazil, $243.9 billion dollars 6. Oil Exporters*, $243.7 billion dollars 7. All Other, $187.7 billion dollars 8. Taiwan, $180.0 billion dollars 9. United Kingdom, $175.4 billion dollars 10. Switzerland, $166.5 billion dollars *Includes oil exporting countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran **includes countries such as Bermuda and the Cayman Islands Of the $5.1 trillion dollars of US debt that is owned by foreign governments, China and Japan own nearly half, as evidenced by this chart: Growth of US Debt Over Past 50 Years Current: $17,484,100,151,856.27 2010: $13,178,317,356,215.73 2004: $7,379,052,696,330.32 1999: $5,656,270,901,615.43 1994: $4,692,749,910,013.32 1989: $2,857,430,960,187.32 1984: $1,572,266,000,000.00 1979: $826,519,000,000.00 1974: $475,059,815,731.55 1969: $353,720,253,841.41 1964: $311,712,899,257.30 1959: $284,705,907,078.22 Commonly Asked Questions: How much Money does the United States Owe China? A: $1.27 Trillion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe Japan? A: $1.21 Trillion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe Russia? A: $126.2 Billion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe the United Kingdom? A: $175.4 Billion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe Germany? A: $61.3 Billion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe Canada? A: $59.2 Billion (Feb/2014) -- By: Dave Manuel http://www.davemanuel.com/us-national-debt-clock.php 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristiD Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I also love this country, but will be leaving once I have the funds to do so. Still, I hold hope that there are many other like-minded people, and that ultimately we will all come together to demand change. Next week on Friday, May 16, Operation American Spring will take place where people from all over the country will converge on Washington to try to restore Constitutional government and oust Obama and his cronies. Although most of us can't go there in person, we can at least support them with our prayers and positive thoughts. Please share this information with as many people as you can. GOD BLESS THE USA!!! http://operationamericanspring.org/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I too used to plan leaving, however, I also have been drawing nearer to my Holy Father. No doubt that this nation has reached a, "point of no return". It appears that soon we will become what Iraq was. And lately a deep down concern has been growing ever so strong. I believe this is how Jesus talks to us. And that feeling, thought, concern is for the children who will be left alone in the ashes of this nation. That is why I have purposed in my heart, if the Lord provides then I will be staying in America and building an orphanage school. Complete with a farm to assist in the feeding. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vietnam1969 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 1. I do believe that Maliki will get his third term as PM but I am not 100% sure if he will get the majority of Parliament seats which he will need to be in full control of the new government. This will be the biggest straw in the hay stack for him to pull out IMO. 2. The final results will officially be announced in about two weeks from now. Around the 25th or so according to every article I have read so far. 3. It is also my belief that China does have a larger role in working with Iraq than most people believe along with a few other countries who are no longer using the US dollar for their trading currency. Many of you will disagree with me on this but I think the Chinese yuan will be a major factor when the US dollar slips away as it has been doing lately. The United States can not keep printing more and more dollars to pay their debts without it not having anything to back it up with. Gold is being gobbled up by the Chinese at a record pace to the point that they will have a very precious metal among other things to back up the yuan with. 4. I do not think that there is any hurry for Iraq to revalue the dinar at this time and don't think that the elections or the HCL passage has anything to do with it at all. Think of this if you will and this is my opinion only: Why are the dealers still opening up more locations to sell the dinar? 5. After Iraq sets up their own government, hopefully in this year( you all know how slow they are in making decisions) will we actually begin to know how they will handle their new found freedom ( if we can call it that). I have more thoughts on this but the above thoughts are enough for now. Some may agree with me and some won't but this is one reason why we can express our own feelings toward this subject. Would love to hear any comments from you if you care to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas1 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Not being a economist or US citizen, just looking at the state of affairs of the US debt it just boggles the mind. Whether these figures are accurate or not they are there on the net in various formats for all to see. Bravo, your insight sounds real and refreshing and much appreciated. U.S. National Debt Clock May 2014 inShare 26 An Overview of the United States National Debt The Current Outstanding Public Debt of the United States is: $17,484,100,151,856.27 Last Updated: Friday, May 9th, 2014 Every man, woman and child in the United States currently owes $57,547 for their share of the U.S. public debt Public Debt: $12,497,316,116,027.16 Intragovernmental Holdings: $4,986,784,035,829.11 Total U.S. National Debt: $17,484,100,151,856.27 Question: Who owns the public debt? Answer: Mutual funds, pension funds, foreign governments, foreign investors, American investors, etc. Which Foreign governments own the most U.S. debt? Answer: Here is the Top 10 (as of Feb/2014) 1. China, Mainland, $1272.9 billion dollars 2. Japan, $1210.5 billion dollars 3. Belgium, $341.2 billion dollars 4. Carib Bkg Ctrs, $299.7 billion dollars 5. Brazil, $243.9 billion dollars 6. Oil Exporters*, $243.7 billion dollars 7. All Other, $187.7 billion dollars 8. Taiwan, $180.0 billion dollars 9. United Kingdom, $175.4 billion dollars 10. Switzerland, $166.5 billion dollars *Includes oil exporting countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran **includes countries such as Bermuda and the Cayman Islands Of the $5.1 trillion dollars of US debt that is owned by foreign governments, China and Japan own nearly half, as evidenced by this chart: Growth of US Debt Over Past 50 Years Current: $17,484,100,151,856.27 2010: $13,178,317,356,215.73 2004: $7,379,052,696,330.32 1999: $5,656,270,901,615.43 1994: $4,692,749,910,013.32 1989: $2,857,430,960,187.32 1984: $1,572,266,000,000.00 1979: $826,519,000,000.00 1974: $475,059,815,731.55 1969: $353,720,253,841.41 1964: $311,712,899,257.30 1959: $284,705,907,078.22 Commonly Asked Questions: How much Money does the United States Owe China? A: $1.27 Trillion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe Japan? A: $1.21 Trillion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe Russia? A: $126.2 Billion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe the United Kingdom? A: $175.4 Billion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe Germany? A: $61.3 Billion (Feb/2014) How much Money does the United States Owe Canada? A: $59.2 Billion (Feb/2014) -- By: Dave Manuelhttp://www.davemanuel.com/us-national-debt-clock.php Nothing a little Bankruptcy, followed by credit repair, then an RV couldnt resolve and put us back on top.......... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarThug Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Nothing a little Bankruptcy, followed by credit repair, then an RV couldnt resolve and put us back on top.......... Can We Hock Our Politicians ... Like They Hocked Us Up The Cash-Holes ! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiljor Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Can We Hock Our Politicians ... Like They Hocked Us Up The Cash-Holes ! Hahahaha gotta love a little early morning humor, thanks Thugs :-D 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie123 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Thug your still the man! Umbertino glad to see you. Rod nothing but love for you brother. Texas 1 Get rid of Jerry Jones? Who is going to fire the owner? docneedles, Maggie, ronberta, tank dude I am not as familiar with you but that does not reduce your value. First of all, please be advised I am not returning from the middle east, although I have been there in the last year. Those who know me know I am an Invasive Cardiovascular Specialist, and am finally getting home from a few travel assignments. I was pretty regular when I was home all the time. I have been taking travel assignment for the last year and happen to be home for a few days. Yeah it does still look like a war zone over there. I was in Iraq in September visiting buddies of mine that work in the private security sector. It is getting better but a long way to go still. In my opinion the elections are important, but are not going to lead to a RV. China is highly vested in the process, and in my opinion have more influence than we do. The big picture is the US losing the status as the global monetary reserve. There are a few things happening here in the US that has the remainder of the world uneasy. We need to take a closer look at that as citizens. If you research it, you will find that there are countries that are not dealing with US currency, or at least at a very small rate. Check China and South Korea. There was a time that countries had to convert their currencies into US dollars to deal in the global market. This process is going away. There is a big push for a new leader in a more stable currency for global trading. Guess what country has the edge? From what I am hearing is Iraq would be silly to try to force a RV with a US backed Global currency that is as stable as a hippo on stilts. They would benefit more from a wait and see approach, incase there is a shift in the global standard. I hate to say this, but we have one of the weakest currencies in the world. Debts coming due and we just keep printing money to cover it. I think it will be time to pay the piper pretty soon. New laws coming in July. Not trying to scare people, but our Government is putting out information to calm the population. I think we are heading into a less than powerful position globally. Iraq would benefit by waiting. China would benefit greatly if the could convince them to wait. Check out IMF's view of the US dolar Thank you for your response Bravo... That was what I thought you were referring to in your first post. Yes as US citizens we do need to become much more aware of our standing in the global picture... we are not as strong as some want to believe. I've been reading lately that our own guberment has been standing in the way of the BRICS having more voting power in the IMF and that the BRICS are getting fed up since after all they have been contributing more than the US to the funds. They have a plan B that will give them the ability to say "See Ya" and go their own way with their own creation of an IMF, WTO and World Bank. That would be even worse for us than what is on the table now... a devalue of the dollar vs. a complete crash of the USD. I can't even imagine what the US guberment/banksters are thinking if they continue to refuse the offer to play fair in what is going on right now. Yes, Iraq would be very wise to wait and see how this goes. If it comes down to a chioce of going with the BRICS or the US... it's not a very big stretch of the imagination to know who they wiould choose to deal with. As for HR 2847 I checked that out a while ago. What I gathered is that it will make hiding offshore investmests next to impossible... also that overseas banks will be less inclined to deal with American customers because of the headache of having to report to the US what their transactions have been for each year. Am I missing something? Thanks Again Bravo... Appreciate having a different/deeper perspective on all this other than the usual "any day now" BS. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie123 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Sorry for all the typos... I have fat fingers and a tiny keyboard today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuryPicker Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Bravo11, Just thinking about your old posts today. Nice coincidence. Your timeline before was a year after the infrastructure started. Although Iraq has moved at a snails pace in the political arena, it seems like the rebuilding has started. What is your opinion? Are they progressing on installing electricity and water for the people? Does it still look like a war zone? Thanks for checking in. Your opinion is so appreciated. Any thoughts on the elections? Sorry. He doesn't have a clue. At alllllllllll 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas1 Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Sorry for all the typos... I have fat fingers and a tiny keyboard today. Your fingers aren't that fat........ thick maybe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie123 Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Your fingers aren't that fat........ thick maybe Lol Tex... How about "fluffy"? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripphood Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 You indicated that we should not expect an RV in'14..... Heck, I will be surprised if we see one before '16 !! All the major banks moving into Iraq would not have done so unless they had solid intel for the positive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadita Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 I too used to plan leaving, however, I also have been drawing nearer to my Holy Father. No doubt that this nation has reached a, "point of no return". It appears that soon we will become what Iraq was. And lately a deep down concern has been growing ever so strong. I believe this is how Jesus talks to us. And that feeling, thought, concern is for the children who will be left alone in the ashes of this nation. That is why I have purposed in my heart, if the Lord provides then I will be staying in America and building an orphanage school. Complete with a farm to assist in the feeding. LGD, I'm with you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarThug Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Your fingers aren't that fat........ thick maybe Oh Quit Exaggerating - Otherwise She'd Never Be Able To Stick Them Up Her Nose ! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie123 Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Oh Quit Exaggerating - Otherwise She'd Never Be Able To Stick Them Up Her Nose ! :D Lol Thuggie! Thanks for the compliment... I think... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artitech Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Good to see you back 11, I just remeber your post 3 years ago when you said the earliest RV, would not take place till the summer of 2014. looks like you were right about that. I remember I sure didnt like what you said. Now you think it could be farther out now, is that what Im understanding from you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yendor Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 All the major banks moving into Iraq would not have done so unless they had solid intel for the positive. Sorry, but just because all the banks move in there doesn't necessarily equate to an RV, They are there to reap on the "cheap". I hope that I am wrong, but I just watch what has been going on there as well as with these United States with the money grabber banks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReinMan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Show me what familiar bank names moved in to Iraq that aren't associated with an Arabic-speaking country. BET YOU CAN'T!!! Know why? Here's the list! There's no Chase, Barclays, NOTHING. Don't believe the hype! http://www.cbi.iq/index.php?pid=IraqFinancialInst 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GasCan Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 Show me what familiar bank names moved in to Iraq that aren't associated with an Arabic-speaking country. BET YOU CAN'T!!! Know why? Here's the list! There's no Chase, Barclays, NOTHING. Don't believe the hype! http://www.cbi.iq/index.php?pid=IraqFinancialInst if they're located in Iraq then they're going to have to be associated with an Arabic speaking country. that's a loaded question but if you look at the list then there are at least 3 that are from other countries that do not have Arabic as their official language. also there is no way to tell the last time it was updated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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