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Bondlady & Member chat:   March 8, 2013
 
 
[tlm724] MP for the coalition of state law, were part of the National Alliance, Abdul Salam al-Maliki, said that "the option of majority is the only option that will work it blocks that fall in the National Alliance with its partners to adopt all the laws, passed after the budget 2013.
" Maliki said in a statement received by the agency Ambassador News copy Friday, 

"The National Alliance, after his success in passing the budget majority with its partners away from the political consensus that disrupted the work of Parliament and delayed approval of a lot of laws, will spend this approach to ensure reroutes the political process ". 

He added that "to achieve a majority in parliament is the first step for the government majority demanded by repeatedly to cancel the test compatibility, which has shown its failure fully during the last period, whether in the government or the House of Representatives, where he became a choice today political majority is the basis to pass important laws and service

 
 
  " Maliki stressed that "the experience of the budget gave the National Alliance a strong motivation to achieve the majority of my grandfather in the near future to pass a law that infrastructure and other laws that recess political consensus."  LINK

[bondLady] majority votes finally . I have said that for over 2 years now

[shredd] BondLady i thought the same when i read that....you know your stuff!! and we are fortunate to be here with you

[bondLady] majority gov because power sharing as we saw for over 2 years would never work for iraq not this generation of old men over there . Shredd its because i'm a profiler its one of the things i do per my work it allows me to understand what most won't or don't per iraq. malikis and parl are the ones who passed the budget is sending a message to the rest of them no more delays and quotas to get your whey

[tlm724] a strong motivation to achieve the majority of my grandfather in the near future to pass a law that infrastructure and other laws that recess political consensus

[bondLady] we will pass all the broken laws now we know we can do it with quorum the basket of laws i've told you all about for a while now will be passed watch for them to be in the upcoming news. their going to do this thing finally and what they did in votes yesterday some defied their own blocks to pass the budget because it was right thing to do for the people, selfless acts, the people will see this too and the ones who did this will enjoy a pretty good political career too now imo

Independent MP said in Parliament, Safiya al-Suhail, passing the federal budget not to the approval of Kurdish blocs and the majority of the deputies of the Iraqi List, is not true, and it is not in favor of one. 

She said Suhail in Yan agency received Ambassador News copy Friday, "I'm not with escalation with any party, I am still pay for the need to reach an agreement before passing the budget, although I know that the budget task and delay is not a good thing for the Iraqi economy and the overall project that could promote the Iraqi reality of all levels, but at the same time benefit the budget if there is a dispute, "noting that" passed dissatisfaction Kurdish groups and the majority of Iraqi MPs is not true and is not in favor of one. LINK


[bondLady] this is what they do after somethings been done without them being the ones who did it, its like, i agreed with it all along even though it didn't look like it. save face type thing

[tlm724] According to a source familiar with the border guards of Iraq, Thursday, for a meeting Iraqi border guards and Kuwaiti Committee of the United Nations to study the implementation of agreements between the two governments to demarcate the new borders between them, stressing that there 250 houses inhabited by Iraqis in Umm Qasr will be cleared of its population and turn the land to the sovereignty of Kuwait, according to those agreements, the local government of Basra expressed distaste for "forcing Iraq to give up its territory.

" The source said in an interview to the (long-Press) that "the commander of the border guards of the Fourth Region General Hakim Jassim people visited the Vice officers located within the area of Umm Qasr and listened to the demands of inhabited who demanded financial compensation for the evacuation of their homes, which will switch their land to Kuwaiti sovereignty." LINK

[bondLady] there were 250 famlies displaced when they gave back kuwait land they are homeless now thats what thats about. they need their article 140 money so they can build a new home or rent or buy , they couldn't stay it wasn't their land unless a deal was made with kuwait to live on the land. 

saddam gave or sold this land to people when he stole it from kuwait. they need to be compensated so they can set up a home somewhere else ,part of art 140. i'm sure they never saw it coming, when saddam was over thrown they had no idea what they thought was theirs wouldn't be later

[tlm724] Baghdad (news) Committee agreed quintet arising from the Forum national legislation law to raise the booking for House accommodation only for the family within the file properties seized through abolition of the resolutions (76.88), and refer other property to a judicial committee competent to decide it within one year. 

said Statement of the Office of President of the Alliance received Agency (news): The Committee of Five held Thursday evening in the office of Ibrahim al-Jaafari, the presence of Saleh al-Mutlaq, and Sheikh Khalid al-Attiyah, and Mohsen al-Sadoun, and Mohammed Al Hashimi, and Haider al-Mulla, and Hassan Zeidan, head of the accountability and justice Qais Cdhir, where he was finalizing the amendment of the law of accountability and justice, and to instruct the parliamentary committee competent for inclusion in the path legislature. 
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[bondLady] part of demonstrator demands too laws of accountability and it takes time but they will get it for the first time in 2 years or longer. they finally get it how to get things done using majority voting and majority government ,

now we should see huge progress on laws and it screws up all the ones who say, such as the infrastructure law for example, if you don't give me what i want i won't pass the infrastructure law...we don't care how good it will be for the people, if you dont give me what i want we won't give you progress and goodness for the people.

 notice how many times today the infrastructure law was mentioned in all the articles today? its going down very soon but so will the amnesty law which is what allawi used to hold the infrastructure law hostage but the amnesty law won't be what he wanted either, they won't be freeing all the people in prison who have blood on their hands like allawi wanted nor will the rapist or robbers or kidnappers but they will get the amnesty law very soon also and it will be fair for all and send a message to the corrupt and the killers and all criminal eliments don't do the crime if you can't do the time...or hang for it

Erbil - as Francis Friday, March 8, 2013 linking prominent leaders in the party «Patriotic Union of Kurdistan», led by President Jalal Talabani, cohesion Party B »achievements», and warned against any attempt to destabilize the unity of the objectives of «self», is regarded as analysts that this call indicator reflects factor that entices Party leaders of get splits in the event of continued absence of Talabani. 

stressed First Deputy Chairman of the Party Rasool Ali during a meeting with officials of the organizations in Soran of the province of Erbil, on «reject any attempt harm the unity of the party and the cohesion», and stressed that «maintaining the party, unity and achievements, is the fulfillment of the President Talabani, and everyone has to bear this responsibility ».LINK

[bondLady] like i said some voted to pass the budget despite some of there blocs objections kurds are saying don't try to split us up or jack with us were going to stand as one

[tlm724] thats the top of the news but i'll bring in my favorites

MP for the coalition of state law, were part of the National Alliance, Abdul Salam al-Maliki, said that "the option of majority is the only option that will work it blocks that fall in the National Alliance with its partners to adopt all the laws, passed after the budget 2013.

" Maliki said in a statement received news agency public opinion a copy of it, "The National Alliance, after his success in passing the budget majority with its partners away from the political consensus that disrupted the work of Parliament and delayed approval of a lot of laws, will spend this approach to ensure reroutes the political process" .

 He added that "to achieve a majority in parliament is the first step for the government majority demanded by repeatedly to cancel the test compatibility, which has shown its failure fully during the last period, whether in the government or the House of Representatives, where he became a choice today political majority is the basis to pass important laws and service." 

Maliki stressed that "the experience of the budget gave the National Alliance a strong motivation to achieve the majority of my grandfather in the near future to pass a law that infrastructure and other laws that recess political consensus." The House voted Thursday to ratify the draft budget law this year despite the province of the Kurdistan Alliance and the Iraqi List  LINK


[shredd] The House voted Thursday to ratify the draft budget law this year despite the province of the Kurdistan Alliance and the Iraqi List, that line is the best

[bondLady] yes and thats what i have said for over 2 years .the bashings i took for saying form the majority gov and do majority voting and see how it worked out they finally passed a huge law the budget where they couldn't have if they hadn't done a majority vote. 2 main blocks just kept on uping their demands,

 i think we all know which two, allawi and barzani. everytime they got a demand met they said great now we want this and we want that just like the money for oil companys.what many don't understand is how they barter over in iraq. 

they knew 2 billion was owed but baghdad was procrastinating basically a spanking for signing contracts without the fed gov approval.so they slow played on payments due. so kurds say we'll ask for 4 billon instead of 2 then they fought about it for over a week then baghdad says we have receipts and invoices for 2 billion but not at all for 4 billion

. hence they made a statement and owned up to what was really owed the oil companys so kurds say ok we will settle for 2 billion. this was baghdad feels like there getting a good deal. 

its childish to say the least but thats how they do things, you owe us 2 billion so we ask for 4 billion and when its all said and done baghdad feels like they won by not giving 4 billion and the kurds have again gotten their whey. like reverse child psychology, 

its what you tell kids when you don't want them to do something you say go ahead and it throws them off so they don't do it, tell them no or you can't have it and its all they will think about doing

[tlm724] Baghdad (news) .. called the National Bloc white to restore law SOA obstructing lie consensus to the agenda of the parliament for a vote majority. said the leader of the Bloc MP Aziz Sharif Mayahi in a press statement to his press office said Friday: 

The: political partners in parliament by voting on Budget majority Gero map the political process that is built on the lie of consensus and blocked many of the laws and service delusional law infrastructure. added: that the political consensus had been the cause in the corner of a lot of laws services of interest to citizens on the shelves of parliament and turned it into a platform for conflicts and procrastination but Alaradah political for some blocs national and eagerness to achieve pulse of the street rose with all its power and hit the lie consensus wall and headed for citizen's voice and vote on the budget. 

explained: that the move successful and powerful must be the first step to awakening the real House of Representatives in order to modify the path toward passing laws SOA overdue because of consensus and conflict is a real invitation from us for the same national vote that passed the budget to work with the same force to pass the rest of the service laws, including the law of infrastructure as soon as possible.  LINK

[bondLady] pretty much what i've also said all along you can't over throw the government as they have the stand by agreement from the USA and UN to protect iraqs gov from anyone over throwing so they couldn't do that with the maliki no confidence vote so they obstructed passing all the major important laws they need like hcl, infrastructure law, art 140 etc...

 so they see how the majority voting can fix all things broken per all the important laws.

 like i said look for the major basket of laws we seek to move along quickly now since they have pretty much slashed the give me what i want or we won't pass the laws quotah system they used for last 2 years to stop progress. 

we've said this things all along but iraq is so slow to get these things but we really have been on total target on it all which i'm very glad about to see what we've said for years finally happen, well I am a happy camper

[tlm724] amazing

[oogie] so next is passing the basket of laws?

[bondLady] and it puts the ones who sought only to reek havoc and bring crisis and tear up iraq in check

[albosdo] BondLady How soon do you think we will see them start to pass the laws? This weekend, next week, ??

[bondLady] i'd have loved to seen there faces yesterday when against all odds 167 parlimitarians voted and passed a majority vote on a major law,the budget

[tlm724] yes i thought the same thing this morning

[bondLady] when parliament comes back they will begin passing the rest of the laws they need to make the budget work like the 25% oil profits to the people for 2012 and 2013, HCL for that

[albosdo] BondLady Awesome. TYVM.

[bondLady] you see all the hospitals and schools their talking about building? infrastructure laws

[oogie] and it sounds like they are prepared to pass these laws quickly and without anyone who decides to not show up again

[bondLady] have patience they have come a long way and their not used to doing it this way.their used to constant fights and no progress for 2 years. its all about to change for them and their just now realizing they do have power to change whats been wrong

[cybercat] BondLady Do you think the kurds will hold up the HCL?

[bondLady] no. hcl was already agreed and amended. hcl was sent to the house for a vote but they wouldn't do it until the budget was passed and now its passed

[PastorDoug] How in the world did Maliki allow maority vote.

[campdav] PastorDoug About to address that

[campdav] For all the haters and confused baffons who had all the hate and misinformation who always pointed the finger at Maliki It was tried and tested that nothing would get done because Maliki this and Maliki that

[campdav] PastorDoug I just say this BL said long ago and she was right. Its not who you think it is.

 There is a whole lot of people that weighed in on this decision of the budget, by some miracle the Iraqis rose to the occasion and against incredible odds they made it go right.

 It can or cannot be credited to the Maliki Government, The Iraqi Government. For quite some time all have pointed to Maliki as the go to guy for any faliure. Now we know its not him as " the dictator" as has he been painted Truth is this monumental task could not have been done without him

[bondLady] gm doug maliki tried for 2 years after he saw the power sharing and the quotah system failure to move to majority voting and majority government but they fought it for 2 years saying this was democracy to fight over each and everything so when this budget crisis and the protesting got way out of hand the people stood up that truly cared about the whole of iraq not just a certain province and said we have to do this and they did 

its another victory for maliki its what he's tried to do for 2 years once he realized how they were using the quotah system to stall and stop progress

[bondLady] so we've seen huge progress made with the passing of the budget by a majority vote. now we will see huge progress made by passing the broken laws in the same way. majority voting. anyone have any other questions?

[campdav] Huge progress reversed from an impossible structure of the past

[oldbarbie] BondLady yes what is the wait for the budget to be gazetted

[bondLady] barbie the presidents all have to sign it, basically giving their blessing to it then it will be roughly 14 days to do, about the time they all come back to work on the 19th . then we will see them rush through the broken laws and pass those. hence the basket of laws we first told you about being done

[campdav] thanks

[tlm724] thank you !

[bondLady] thank you all who participated
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And time will move on and they still wont have Diddly done, sorry to say. But thats how it goes 3 steps forward and one step back. There all fricking idiots just like we have in the US house.And something to think about, With Obamas far left way of running the show and not wanting big money to grow in the USA and wanting every one to be dependent on the Government, IF he has any thing to do with an RV it will be a long time coming.He is a socialist and wont allow the wealth to inter fear with his far left wing plans.

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[bondLady] yes and thats what i have said for over 2 years .the bashings i took for saying form the majority gov and do majority voting and see how it worked out they finally passed a huge law the budget where they couldn't have if they hadn't done a majority vote.

 

 U Go BondLady ! ;) And Just Ignore Those Stupid BashHoles !  :o
 
            :D    :D   :D
 
 


[cybercat] BondLady Do you think the kurds will hold up the HCL?

[bondLady] no. hcl was already agreed and amended. hcl was sent to the house for a vote but they wouldn't do it until the budget was passed and now its passed

 

 

Show Me Da' HCL !!!

 

      B)      B)

 

 

 

Thx For Being Brave Enough To Post This Here Easy ! Especially Since Bondlady Doesn't Like To Have Her Stuff Brought To DV ! :unsure:

 

She Might Be Fixin' To Put A Whippin' On Yo' Azz ! :lol:

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we don't care what BL say's..... we know things about the evil maliki SHE does NOT......

 

.....maliki is no golden boy. 

he fostered in-fighting & back-biting. 

he pitted factions against one-another.  he encouraged hate with his hateful rhetoric. 

he played this genius game of slight-of-hand to distract ...

whilst all this went on he funneled millions and millions of USD to his boyfriend in Iran.

 

he hates the US and has treated US, Our Troops and our emissaries like s**t.

 

he is a turd.:rulez: a waste of skin. evil.

and should be shoved into a pit of vipers and covered with porcine entrails.

 

he was/is the problem. period. E.O.S.

 

 

 

kill the maliki. :angry:

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I WANT MORE CONTACT .. STORYS .. MY CONTACT THIS ,,MY CONTACT THAT ,, 

 

the one guys contact said it was in the  budget at 3.48  per dinar .rv :confused2: .. that guy where is heeshee  .. intel . friday night bank storys ,,  monday morning  rvs .. iraq is the richest country in the world .. storys .  

 

i didnt get much out of this one :reading1:

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wow, DONTLOP.... been a loooong time since we heard THAT...! B)

 

It was almost surreal to hear the clarity of the vocals, every instrument,

just clean rock, not all cranked/spun/hyped/faked like music today is..... beautiful, man :)

 

now, what were we talking about again....? :huh:

 

:P  :wave:  :lol:

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So... Do you like him or not?

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we don't care what BL say's..... we know things about the evil maliki SHE does NOT......

 

.....maliki is no golden boy. 

he fostered in-fighting & back-biting. 

he pitted factions against one-another.  he encouraged hate with his hateful rhetoric. 

he played this genius game of slight-of-hand to distract ...

whilst all this went on he funneled millions and millions of USD to his boyfriend in Iran.

 

he hates the US and has treated US, Our Troops and our emissaries like s**t.

 

he is a turd. :rulez: a waste of skin. evil.

and should be shoved into a pit of vipers and covered with porcine entrails.

 

he was/is the problem. period. E.O.S.

 

 

 

kill the maliki. :angry:

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[bondLady] there were 250 famlies displaced when they gave back kuwait land they are homeless now thats what thats about. they need their article 140 money so they can build a new home or rent or buy , they couldn't stay it wasn't their land unless a deal was made with kuwait to live on the land. 


Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/143253-bondlady-chat-good-info-concerning-where-we-are/#ixzz2N65pgwBp

 

is this the free houses Frank was talking about?




[bondLady] no. hcl was already agreed and amended. hcl was sent to the house for a vote but they wouldn't do it until the budget was passed and now its passed


Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/143253-bondlady-chat-good-info-concerning-where-we-are/#ixzz2N66UcYMQ

 

I as sure hoping the HCL is close to passing and being implemented

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Within BL's post above it says 167 voted in favour ..against how many?  Majority of the List stayed away, majority of Kurds stayed away or did not vote, so just how many positions vote and how, time and again we read that deputies do not hold a vote and only those who are eligable to vote can vote in person in Parliament or the house of reps.  I am probably wrong but I know somebody will gleefuly correct me, but (from memory) when it was reported about passing the 2010 budget, wasnt there figures like 600mil. Dinar passed for numerous catch-up finances, and 1.2 bln. Dinar for others, but yet last week these things were supposedly voted on again as part of this budget, I will of course retrace through my hard disc and retrieve the actual figures, it was just the 25% figure about the oil profits for 2012 / 2013 going to the people that made me think , what good does voting anything through when three years later nothing has been implemented. Ahh well 02.45 am here and the whiskey has maybe fogged the old grey matter, so time to climb the wooden hill Goodnight. 

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DONTLOP.... of course you did.... alot of hot air and "who-shot-john"...... <_<  

 

We don't usually crack on the BL, quite the opposite, we usually are amongst her cheerleaders here

 

but this time was a bit of a  FAIL.....

It was fantastic Sarge - majority vote will now get things MOVING! What's bad about that!

Also, Zul posted Libya went to .79 rate with their new dinar a month ago! Right after their civil war - amazing.

If they can come out at .79 and Iraq has Double the oil output, then they should be able to reach 1:1

 

By the way - anger management counseling is paid for by insurance....LOL

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we don't care what BL say's..... we know things about the evil maliki SHE does NOT......

 

.....maliki is no golden boy. 

he fostered in-fighting & back-biting. 

he pitted factions against one-another.  he encouraged hate with his hateful rhetoric. 

he played this genius game of slight-of-hand to distract ...

whilst all this went on he funneled millions and millions of USD to his boyfriend in Iran.

 

he hates the US and has treated US, Our Troops and our emissaries like s**t.

 

he is a turd. :rulez: a waste of skin. evil.

and should be shoved into a pit of vipers and covered with porcine entrails.

 

he was/is the problem. period. E.O.S.

 

 

 

kill the maliki. :angry:

 

 

 

 

I agree.   BL flip flops like a fish out of water.

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E.O.S.......???? God, NOT ANOTHING one of those Sofa King Low kind of things!!! Geez! I spent 5 days trying to figure that one and NOW, I back to square one! Cant win for losing. Jumpin Jeezus on a Pogo Stick!!! Damn you, clown for influencing these fine ladies!

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we don't care what BL say's..... we know things about the evil maliki SHE does NOT......

 

.....maliki is no golden boy. 

he fostered in-fighting & back-biting. 

he pitted factions against one-another.  he encouraged hate with his hateful rhetoric. 

he played this genius game of slight-of-hand to distract ...

whilst all this went on he funneled millions and millions of USD to his boyfriend in Iran.

 

he hates the US and has treated US, Our Troops and our emissaries like s**t.

 

he is a turd. :rulez: a waste of skin. evil.

and should be shoved into a pit of vipers and covered with porcine entrails.

 

he was/is the problem. period. E.O.S.

 

 

 

kill the maliki. :angry:

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E.O.S.......???? God, NOT ANOTHING one of those Sofa King Low kind of things!!! Geez! I spent 5 days trying to figure that one and NOW, I back to square one! Cant win for losing. Jumpin Jeezus on a Pogo Stick!!! Damn you, clown for influencing these fine ladies!

Try thinking Period. End Of Story!!

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E.O.S.......???? God, NOT ANOTHING one of those Sofa King Low kind of things!!! Geez! I spent 5 days trying to figure that one and NOW, I back to square one! Cant win for losing. Jumpin Jeezus on a Pogo Stick!!! Damn you, clown for influencing these fine ladies!

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Sorry about that, Sport...! :lmao:

 

  Albeit advanced in tenure as humans,

we have the distinct advantage of being able to sling it like total hep cats with the lingo B)  sometimes

due to certain advantages: 

 

the kids next door are always trying to get us to talk cooler...

some of the wounded Vets we visit with are up on the latest acronyms and

try to teach us... (they think we're pretty funny!)

and some jive talk is only now  - after all this time - catching up to us 3 squares... :P

 

No telling WHAT we'll say next!  But "fer realz" if we don't learn this texting lingo stuff, we may lose all

contact with the rest of society! :lol:

 

We're a tele-communications work in progress.... :D

 

(..."jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick".... see, THAT's funny!) :wave:  :lmao:

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we don't care what BL say's..... we know things about the evil maliki SHE does NOT......

 

.....maliki is no golden boy. 

he fostered in-fighting & back-biting. 

he pitted factions against one-another.  he encouraged hate with his hateful rhetoric. 

he played this genius game of slight-of-hand to distract ...

whilst all this went on he funneled millions and millions of USD to his boyfriend in Iran.

 

he hates the US and has treated US, Our Troops and our emissaries like s**t.

 

he is a turd. :rulez: a waste of skin. evil.

and should be shoved into a pit of vipers and covered with porcine entrails.

 

he was/is the problem. period. E.O.S.

 

 

 

kill the maliki. :angry:

Here is the thing Bondlady researches these articles some of which we do not get here because of her access and her years.   After 10 years, she knows Iraq pretty well.  For a long time she thought Maliki was the problem, but via her research she has come to believe Maliki was really trying to establish a strong government.  One that actually could get things done.  Parliament shows up when they want something the other half doesn't show up because they don't want what the other half wants.   There are too many chefs in the kitchen and not enough cooks.

 

Maliki has been accused of being a dictator because he wants a majority government, yet our government is set up the president's cabinet are people from his/her own party.  The senate and congress are made up of the majority/minority of republican or democrat.  Hopefully this keeps the government balanced.  I really believe this is what Maliki wants to see.  The old ways of tribal leaders does not work today for obvious reasons.

 

One thing that has stuck in my mind, was a journalist who was in Iraq when Saddam was brought down, Iraq has changed dramatically since then.  He pointed out while the electricity is not great, the people still had more hours for electricity than when Saddam was head of the reigns.  Yes there will still bombings, but again not near what it was.  Iraq seems to be pulling out of the post war country and into a productive country.  He also mentioned a comparison of Maliki, a country whose leader is a dictator one of the notable things you will see is the picture of the leader is everywhere.  In Iraq there is not one picture of Maliki on any building or sign, nada.  The other interesting tid bit was when Saddam was brought down, the first thing Barzanni did was place his image everywhere in Kurdistan.  He also stated if you spoke out against Barzanni you just may go missing.  Added to that, Barzanni's son is being groomed to one day take his place, does this sound familiar?

 

Maliki certainly is not a choir boy by any means, he is smarter than people want to believe, but a dictator I have my doubts.  There are groups that want him out, they use his wanting a majority government as signs of one, but what they really want has an underlining motivation, they want the power.  They want what they accuse him of.  It never is what it appears is so often true.  This is all my opinion of course, and I know I am of the minority here, but we cannot be so naive to believe the struggle for power in Iraq is so transparent.  There are layers of history, mistrust and many who want things to be the way they were.

 

One question stands out for me, if Maliki was the power hungry dictator, why in the world would the US or Britton be of the mind to see them out from under Chapter 7?  They wouldn't.

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