SnowGlobe7 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/04/21245543-why-a-15-minute-phone-call-threatens-saudi-arabias-decades-old-alliance-with-us Why a 15-minute phone call threatens Saudi Arabia's decades-old alliance with US Secretary of State John Kerry meets with Saudi King Abdullah in an attempt to repair strains with the kingdom following the defrosting of U.S. relations with Iran. By Lubna Hussain and Alexander Smith, NBC News News analysis RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- The historic 15-minute phone call between President Barack Obama and Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani may have cost the U.S. one of its key friends in the Middle East. President Obama's phone call with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani marks the first time the nations' leaders have communicated directly since 1979. What does this mean for their future relationship? NBC's Chuck Todd reports. The U.S. and Saudi Arabia have been allies for some 80 years, with the U.S. offering military protection to the world’s second-biggest oil producer. But as relations warm between Tehran and Washington, Saudi Arabia last month signaled that it will "shift away from the U.S.," giving Secretary of State John Kerry plenty to discuss with King Abdullah when they meet on Monday. Advertise | AdChoices Riyadh is deeply skeptical of Iran's charm offensive and frustrated by an alleged lack of consultation over Washington's changing stance toward a country once branded as a member of the so-called "axis of evil." Only five years ago, the Saudis urged the U.S. to strike Iran -- which is situated just across the Persian Gulf from the kingdom. The Saudi government fears that the development of an Iranian nuclear weapon would seriously threaten its national security. The extent of Saudi frustration at being left out in the cold by the U.S. became apparent last month when it rejected a seat on the United Nations Security Council. It was the first country to do so, and the move surprised even its own diplomats who had been preparing for the role for years. Outwardly, Saudi Arabia directed its anger at the U.N., criticizing its "double standards" in failing to resolve the crisis in Syria and long-running tensions between Israel and Palestine. Alex Witt talks with P.J. Crowley about the current Iranian negotiations and Saudi Arabia declining a seat on the UN Security Council over Syria and Palestine. But the autocratic monarchy’s frustration is primarily with the U.S. after what it sees as a series of snubs, a source with knowledge of Saudi foreign policy told NBC News. "At the end of the day we know what friendship is all about," the source said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "But if diplomacy starts with your friends and you don’t consult them then that is obviously going to give rise to suspicion." Though the two countries have been allies since the 1930s, the threatened "shift" in relations with the U.S. follows decades of pressure from the Saudi public to distance their country from the superpower. Many citizens feel aggrieved by perceived White House failures to solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. And American foreign policy in the region, particularly when it comes to the interventions in Iraq in 1990 and 2003, is seen by many as disastrous. In an exclusive interview with NBC's Ann Curry, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said his country is asking for peace, stability and the elimination of all weapons of mass destruction. But those sticking points were previously not enough for the Saudi government to act against its ally. The U.S. agreement with Russia not to strike Syrian President Bashar Assad in response to August's alleged chemical weapons attack, but instead to remove his chemical weapons arsenal, also angered Riyadh. Iran has traditionally backed Assad's regime, while Saudi Arabia has funded Syria's predominantly Sunni opposition. “The most important thing between allies is that they strategize together before declaring any decisions,” the source told NBC News. “The Kerry-Lavrov agreement has clearly shown that the Americans want to reshape the Middle East without consulting us. You can’t just forego strategic alliances like that and claim to be allies without any form of consultation.” The Saudi administration felt further shunned when the U.S. decided to reach out to Iran following the election of Rouhani, who has seemingly adopted a more moderate agenda than his predecessor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In a September interview with NBC News' Ann Curry, Rouhani said Iran would never develop nuclear weapons and insisted that his country was not "looking for war." Advertise | AdChoices Despite Tehran's insistence that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, Saudi Arabia has long harbored concerns. According to a diplomatic cable published by Wikileaks, King Abdullah urged the U.S. to “cut off the head of the snake” and strike Tehran in 2008. Sadayuki Mikami / AP, file Two U.S. Marines man a post at their base in eastern Saudi Arabia in January 1990, while the smoke from an oil refinery billows into the desert sky on the horizon. The U.S. and Saudi Arabia have been allies for eight decades. Like Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu, who has described Rouhani a "wolf in sheep’s clothing," Saudi Arabia isn't convinced by Tehran's overtures. Saudi Arabia is trying to express their disappointment by flying solo -- expressed in the historic rebuttal of the U.N. seat. Some Saudi citizens feel the change in tone is overdue. “Well it’s about time that we distanced ourselves from the U.S.,” a Saudi businesswoman told NBC News, speaking on condition of anonymity. “When you rear a pet snake, the least that you can expect is that you will eventually be bitten. I just don’t understand why we had allowed ourselves to become so dependent." The U.S. has been quick to try to tackle the sudden deterioration of relations. Speaking at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh before meeting with King Abdullah on Monday, Kerry described the Saudis as "the senior players in the Arab world." He added: "Egypt is in transition, so the Saudi role is more important. They can influence a lot of things we care about.... we are working together on Middle East peace, on Syria, on Iran." Kerry is visiting Riyadh as part of a nine-day tour of the Middle East. Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal also hosted Kerry at his private residence in Paris on Oct. 21. A senior State Department official told Reuters that Kerry had discussed with al-Faisal the advantages of being on the U.N. Security Council, while making it clear that "it is Saudi Arabia's decision to make." Speaking in London on Oct. 22, Kerry said the U.S. and Saudi Arabia "agree on a great deal." A day later, White House spokesman Jay Carney also acknowledged "disagreements on some issues" with Saudi Arabia but said the "relationship is very important economically and in national security ways." And on Oct. 24, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told a press briefing that the U.S. has "a very strong relationship with the Saudis and will continue to." New reports suggest the U.S. decision not to intervene in Syria, coupled with our relationship with Iran has infuriated Saudi Arabia. Michael Rubin, American Enterprise Institute, and radio show host John Batchelor, discuss whether President Obama unde... She added: "Sometimes we have disagreements, we do with everyone. That’s why we talk through them, and that’s why we’re trying to get to a place where we can work together on these issues." Washington's next move is crucial, according to Sir Tom Phillips, associate fellow at think tank Chatham House’s Middle East and North Africa program. "[saudi Arabia] will be looking to see if the West is dealing with the [syrian] chemical weapons for its own benefit, or for the benefit of regional stability," he said. "And then of course they will be watching the Iran agenda very closely to see if there is going to be a deal with Iran and whether anything will be given away." But asked if the rift could have serious long-term implications, Sir Tom said: "I don’t think so. Who is Saudi Arabia going to turn to? China and Asia are a major market for them, but you would have to ask what would be the American response? It probably wouldn't get to that." Advertise | AdChoices Shashank Joshi, a research fellow at the London-basedRoyal United Services Institute, added: "The Saudi Arabians do not have enough leverage to prevent all these things they fear, so they have to swallow what the Americans give them." He said that the mutually beneficial relationship of U.S. military protection and Saudi oil production is too valuable to be threatened by diplomatic differences. "It is much less serious than Saudi Arabia would like us to believe." NBC News' Alexander Smith reported from London. Reuters contributed to this report. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry expands on reports that Saudi Arabia will be distancing itself from America over response in Syria. Related: Saudi Arabia to 'shift away from the US,' intelligence chief saysThis story was originally published on Mon Nov 4, 2013 5:32 AM EST 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Ostupid pissed me off 5 yrs ago. and I have lived thru it 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportfisher Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Ostupid pissed me off 5 yrs ago. and I have lived thru it hahahaha.................good one, me too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunshow2425 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 15 minute call? Did he at least save 15% off of his insurance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronscarpa Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Another clear sign of Obama having absolutely No wisdom, or common sense, when it comes to international Relations, and honoring one's word and relationships...! This is the nicest way I can say what I think, so I'll stop here...! His policies are an abject failure... 13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxsess Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 When this nutless coward went on his apology tour is when the ME along with the rest of the world laughed at us. This is worse than when that loser Jimmy Carter was in the shithouse. Liberalism is a mental disorder. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vomer Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Pathological narcissist/liar POS. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrettyKitty Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 O is not one to talk about anything as a President...He is a actor! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncirculd Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Definitely it would not be wise to have a "phone" conversation with a country who has claimed you as their enemy for years. But then again, I don't think the conversation was alone for sure. Many witnesses coming from the NSA's spying ring. They didn't miss a lick. But as for Iran, YOU CANNOT TRUST THEM AS LONG AS THAT RELIGIOUS NUT IS REALLY RUNNING THE COUNTRY. HE'S A DEVIL AND WILL JUST CUT YOUR HEAD OFF IF YOU BREATH TO LOUD. He is a 'HATER' from the word go. He has no soul, death is a job and his one way ticket he is about to get ain't quite the ride he's looking for. But you can't fix stupid. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISKY291 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Don't get me started about Obummer. He's a mess!!! It's sad times. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skitealwedrop Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Another clear sign of Obama having absolutely No wisdom, or common sense, when it comes to international Relations, and honoring one's word and relationships...! This is the nicest way I can say what I think, so I'll stop here...! His policies are an abject failure... Agreed! O is a complete failure within the international communities. His only concern is providing welfare to to the minorities that have chosen to not live a better life, as they should. I'M SICK OF THE WELFARE IN THIS COUNTRY. BECOME EDUCATED AND GET A JOB! 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISKY291 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Agreed! O is a complete failure within the international communities. His only concern is providing welfare to to the minorities that have chosen to not live a better life, as they should. I'M SICK OF THE WELFARE IN THIS COUNTRY. BECOME EDUCATED AND GET A JOB! You nailed it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skitealwedrop Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 You nailed it. I call it as I see it. This country is a cesspool of illegals and lazy American's that make no contribution to our tax basis. Keep in mind that the US provides foreign aide to many countries. The bottom line is that we can't spend money that we don't have. The foreign aid budget and assistance needs to stop. I would much rather take care of Americans and their families as opposed to someone that lives on another continent. Let's keep our cash local. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leigh2 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 RE: Foreign aid. I have said that over and over, but, Washington will not listen to me! We need those funds here. We also need the brains of Thomas Jefferson in Washington. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10 YEARS LATER Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Congratulations you NIT WIT PIN HEAD. Bulls' pistle runyon brained Dolt. O makes Larry, Moe & Curly REALLY look like rocket scientists' 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandfly Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 UR FUNNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveDeepSix Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) I call it as I see it. This country is a cesspool of illegals and lazy American's that make no contribution to our tax basis. Keep in mind that the US provides foreign aide to many countries. The bottom line is that we can't spend money that we don't have. The foreign aid budget and assistance needs to stop. I would much rather take care of Americans and their families as opposed to someone that lives on another continent. Let's keep our cash local. Agreed 100%! It was designed to be a hand up but it has become a hand out, great concept, lousy application. The system is overwhelmed with parasites and needs a major overhaul. Edited November 11, 2013 by DiveDeepSix 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtFuryUSCZ Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I call it as I see it. This country is a cesspool of illegals and lazy American's that make no contribution to our tax basis. Keep in mind that the US provides foreign aide to many countries. The bottom line is that we can't spend money that we don't have. The foreign aid budget and assistance needs to stop. I would much rather take care of Americans and their families as opposed to someone that lives on another continent. Let's keep our cash local. ***/// ........... ..........! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captl1 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Good Morning Ladies......As far as the White House,Congress, and the Senate......Your all FIRED!!!!!! Incompetent fools! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosterbglee Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Worst Pres. in the history of this country, his legacy! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthwarrior Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Saudi Arabia is NOT our friends.they HATE us.if anything,we should attack these pieces of sh*t and take the oil that we got out of the ground for these camel jockeys. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronscarpa Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Thanks for the post SnowGlobe...(+) Leave it to our leader to destroy what took decaded to build up...! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxsess Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Saudi Arabia is NOT our friends.they HATE us.if anything,we should attack these pieces of sh*t and take the oil that we got out of the ground for these camel jockeys. +1 Stealth we should kill them all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtFuryUSCZ Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) Good Morning Ladies......As far as the White House,Congress, and the Senate......Your all FIRED!!!!!! Incompetent fools! ***/// G'day to ya, CAP ! If we fire them, they all get tons in pensions, perks, payouts, insurance, etc ..... so they don't need the job anyway. They are in there now just to push FORWARD the kommie agenda, not cause they need the work ! Everybody grab a sickle & a scythe.... off with their heads ! ... Edited November 11, 2013 by SgtFuryUSCZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2D2 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I know of "NO" traditional Americans that this marxistkenyansodomitesissy president has not pissed off. NONE! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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