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Health Care Reform and the Supreme Court (Affordable Care Act)


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Updated: June 28, 2012

Breaking News: The Supreme Court largely upholds President Obama’s health care law, the Affordable Care Act. The conservative chief justice, John G. Roberts, joined the majority in affirming the central legislative accomplishment of Mr. Obama’s term.

Chief Justice Roberts ruled that the key provision in question, the so-called individual mandate requiring all Americans to buy insurance or pay a fine, failed to pass constitutional muster under the Commerce Clause, which was the heart of the administration’s arguments in favor of it. But the chief justice declared that the fine amounted to a tax that the government had the power to impose, and that the mandate could survive on that basis.

Overview

In March 2010, Congress passed a sweeping health care bill pushed by President Obama. The law put in motion the creation of a nationwide insurance system that would sharply reduce the number of Americans without coverage, a goal that Democratic presidents had unsuccessfully pursued for 75 years.

Passage came by the narrowest of margins and without a single Republican vote. In 2012, the law survived a second test, when the Supreme Court largely upheld it after considering a series of challenges to several of the law’s key provisions.

The most important court challenge centered on the so-called individual mandate, a requirement that all Americans obtain health insurance or pay a fine. Republicans challenged it as an unconstitutional expansion of federal power; the government, they said, could regulate commerce but could not force people to participate in it. The Obama administration argued that it was needed to fix basic flaws in the insurance marke and that it was crucial to provisions like the requirement that insurers accept all comers without regard to pre-existing health conditions.

In March, the court held three days of hearings on the challenges, which included arguments over whether the case should not be heard until the mandate went into effect in 2014, whether the law’s expansion of Medicaid was too coercive to the states, which administer the program, and whether the entire law should be thrown out iffif the mandate is.

It was one of the most significant cases heard by the court in decades, with implications for the presidential race as well as the future of health care coverage. The decision is also likely to be a major factor in shaping the legacy of Chief Justice Roberts, as well as Mr. Obama, whose signature domestic initiative was on the line.

During the hearings, the Obama administration’s views faced sharp questioning by justices in the court’s conservative majority.

Court Hearings: Day One

In the first argument, the justices considered whether they are barred from hearing the case until the first penalties come due in 2015.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/supreme_court/affordable_care_act/index.html

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how do they do that ...? lol

they say its a tax now ... lol

it will be back before congress shortly .. they didnt vote for a tax increase .. so the law is invalid

if they say you must pay a tax because your alive .. how will the homless pay their tax ...how will welefare recipients pay their tax ...

i guess the govt would be mandated to provide jobs ..

if they provide jobs .. they must provide transportation and food ... you do need to eat to work .. they will need proper work clothes .. i guiess the govt has opened up a can of worms .. .. how will they force people to actually work when they arrive on the job site .. with whips .. ?..

i guess they should provide an alarm clock .. too

if they just sleep in .. will they get fired .. if they get fired .. how will they pay their tax .. see right back to square one .. you cant force people to do anything without a dictatorship

i guess the homless will need a place to live also . mant this thing will end up costing trillions

especially once everyone else gets wind if the fact you dont have to work for a place to live .. clothing .. transportation .. .. .. then say you get some new work bots and the next day you show up with no shoes ..hey ya lost them ..or what ever .. i guess the govt would have to provide you with new shoes .. posibly every day if you lose them every day ... the hookers and gang members .. and illegals will all get that free ride to work wearing their new work boots .. hmm

hey i like to drink .. like the other millions of alcoholics across america .. so if i drink a few beers before work .. i guess thats just the way it is .. cause i must pay my tax .. the gang members should be pretty high on the drugs they sell .. the hookers may be strung out on heroin but its their right to have a job ..so they can pay their new tax .. i love this country of idiots.. getting dumber and dumber every day

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Ok, so has government taken over everything now? I am so sick of it. I think if you want to work you must work for government, then you won't be outsourced. So is it time to move to a FREE COUNTRY? Or is it time to get government in check? And since government has gotten so "HUGE" how will we do it? They have taken over every aspect of our lives and making new mandates suck as communism and dictatorship. This is not just the currecnt president, it's all of them. But this one has done some real doozies against our freedoms. I will NOT give up my tractor or farm to the US government. Stick that executive order where the sun don't shine.

I don't know about the supreme court either, it should have 12 members. Just like a jury. Each of them are there for life and have learned nothing. I don't want this mandate of HC. It has made insurance premiums soar. And those Senators who got special deals on this for their vote should be prosecuted. Maybe I will do that. I think it is my turn. I want to file a law suit on the states that got special privileges in order to get their vote and my state was penalized for not voting for it.

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so you get a fine if you dont have health care insurance .. but that fine "like a traffic ticket" .. for hundreds of dollars .. is discuised as a tax .. but its really a fine .. its not an income tax ... its just a tax .. ..

so you poor people get out your check books and pay your fines

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Ok, so has government taken over everything now? I am so sick of it. I think if you want to work you must work for government, then you won't be outsourced. So is it time to move to a FREE COUNTRY? Or is it time to get government in check? And since government has gotten so "HUGE" how will we do it? They have taken over every aspect of our lives and making new mandates suck as communism and dictatorship. This is not just the currecnt president, it's all of them. But this one has done some real doozies against our freedoms. I will NOT give up my tractor or farm to the US government. Stick that executive order where the sun don't shine.

You got it. Supposed Justice Roberts sides with the Liberals. Repub. and Dem. politicians want the same thing. Romney = Obama= Bush.

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if their is a tax for health care the govt must provide the health care .. like when they tax us for our national defense .. they must provide our national defense with the money they tax us .. or a tax for our nations highways .. they must maintain the high ways with the tax dollars

when the lawyers get a hold of this im sure they will be hearing from them ..

im sure if the govt does provide us with health care their will be no limitations ... we will all have the right to the same specialists that the president of the united states has .. or thats discrimination

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Congradultaions everyone, were all debt slaves with mandatory healthcare now. If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till its free....now all we need is a nice carbon tax so they can charge us for our god given right to live and breath on this planet....

Its official, our supreme court is full of communists, I know, tell you something you dont already know..

IZZA

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hey if the govt limits our health care they will be called ..."THAT EVIL GOVT"... like they refer to those insurance companys .. they are so evil ..

now with obama care .. you get unlimited care forever .. 50 heart transplants .. if necessary .. paid hospitol rooms .. .. i guess its time to build stadiums for waiting rooms .. we all will be making doctor appointments one after another .. if you work your tail off everyday .. you may be standing in line behind 700 bums that havent worked in years .. and they are just bored ..or cold .. or hot .. because of weather conditions so they just go sit in the doctors office daily .. and ya cant kick them out .. its their right to be there .. so get in the back of the line .. just like the food stamp line ..or welefare line .. or should i say soup line at the soup kitchen

o but ma is so smart

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hey if the doctor cant see ya today ..right now .. i guess ya just hit up the emergency rooms .. they are definatly going to need 5000 seat waiting rooms

yes i cant wait for the day when i walk into an emergency room at a hospitol and see a room full of hobos with their bags of garbage all camped out and sprawled out over the waiting room .. if you say they dont have a right to be there .. then that would mean no one has that right ..or thats discrimination.. and that means law suit against that hospitol

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This states for AMERICANS! Illegals dont have to worry about "the tax". They will still walk in a hospital and get fixed free, they should walk in a hospital and get arrested and deported. If it is a felony to trespass on US soil, why arent they charged with a felony.

Just one more nail in the coffin for the American citizens, we are so screwed! angry.gif

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you could use that excuse every day .. im not feeling well .. i cant go to work .. i got to go to the hospitol ..i hope they feed ya while your waiting .. or that could lead to all sorts of more medical complications .. im sure they have a nice cafateria at the hospitol .. hey food is all part of preventitive health care .... uh doc ..its my stomach again .. can i get another one of those food vouchers .. .. uh doc .. my feet are killing me .. can i get a prescription for some shoes ..or youll pay later when my feet are all cut up from being bare foot ..ah doc its cold outside .. i need a winter coat .. someone stole the one you gave me yesterday

This states for AMERICANS! Illegals dont have to worry about "the tax". They will still walk in a hospital and get fixed free, they should walk in a hospital and get arrested and deported. If it is a felony to trespass on US soil, why arent they charged with a felony.

Just one more nail in the coffin for the American citizens, we are so screwed! angry.gif

.. yes and if a felony is taking place we all have the right to make a citizens arrest and prosecute that illegal .. and we have that right to detain them till police get there .. and if hes not a good candidate for bail .. he shouldnt get bail .. "risk of flight means no bail till trial

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I will never pay that mandate.. It will be over my dead body! Obama is a joke!

if we end up paying .. 5 hundred dollars a year .. we will use 50 thousand a year worth of benifits,, maybe 100 or 2 or 3 hundred thousand dollars worth .. all in the name of saving money

and just bankrupt those idiots that think this will be cheaper .... preventitive health care is in that bill which means it must provide everything that will prevent me from getting ill food shelter clothing transportation .. utilities .. theres no end to why i go to work . every day .. i work thats my health care .. now i guess ya dont have to work to get these things

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I will never pay that mandate.. It will be over my dead body! Obama is a joke!

They will take it out of your tax return. If you dont get money back and owe, they will add it the money owed and add interest. Just one more way the gov will own us, we will all be bowing to the KING. angry.gif Or so he THINKS!!!

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if we all quit our jobs how will those bums and welefare bums say they cant get a job .. there will be millions of open jobs .. we can turn the table and they can work to pay for us to lay around like a beached walrus .. we can just stay drunk like the winoes do and have all those amenities on the backs of their labor

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If i may paraphrase on of the most memorable first lines of any Presidential speech.

Today, June 28, 2012 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by its very own Supreme court

and the forces of the Empire of Barry.

Today will go down in history as the death of the constitution as it was intended and has worked for 200+ years, and the day communism was accepted as our governing policy by the highest court in our land.

Woe to all of the U.S.A., and if Barry is re-elected, by the end of his 2nd term, we will be forced to listen to only one government media source, to become government employees, and to have the 2nd amendment "shot" down by executive order!

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They will take it out of your tax return. If you dont get money back and owe, they will add it the money owed and add interest. Just one more way the gov will own us, we will all be bowing to the KING. angry.gif Or so he THINKS!!!

Where's Timothy Mcveigh buried ??? Just wondering. :angry: I need to talk to him.

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You knew that at least two judges were going to repay Obama for their appointment. Obama is, in my opinion, one of the most corrupt men who ever held that office. Chicago politics simply means there were pay offs and pay backs somewhere. America is sold and Obama holds the receipt.

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I guess the word to Obama and his leftist minions today should be: be careful what you ask for, you might just get it. The ruling by the Supreme Court that Obamacare is constitutional on the basis that it is a tax, puts Obama and his regime between a rock and a hard place, policy-wise. Obama sold the Affordable Care Act largely on the basis that it was NOT a tax. Now they have to spin to the American people that this great victory, which will result in middle Americans' tax rates rising, is good for them. Good luck. Although Obama and his leftist buddies think we are too stupid to understand the long term impact of this new tax, he just may have opened Pandora's Box. This gives the Republicans and Romney IMO a strong issue of "repeal and replace" that should resonate loudly with the approximate 60% of voters who are against Obamacare. Further, this may just be the spark that was needed to re-energize the Tea Party and other like movements. As Admiral Yamamoto said after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, "I fear that all we have accomplished is to rouse the sleep tiger and fell him with recourse". We know what happened to both Yamamoto and his ill-conceived surprise attack. Perhaps Obama's surprise win today will turn sour for him come November.

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Vote for Romney :) Easy Fix

Sir the truth of the matter is if you vote for the supposed cantidate. In my humble opinion is you will step from one pile of cow excrement to a new pile bovine excrement. This country is in real trouble. Supposed elected officals that are owned by the BANKSTERS, Big Pharma, and other comunist that have been able to con this president into contributing the treasury of the USA. Time to lock and load!

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I feel I no longer live in the country I was born in..... our government is taking away our freedoms at a pace that most people have no idea what is going on. 50 years from now most folks will not even know what happened today. <- That... is such a sobering thought. Since we no longer live in a "free" country... perhaps we need to start making a few "free" states?? Texas is looking pretty good right now... lock and load sounds even better!!!!!!!!

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