tim5400 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) U.S. Holdings of Foreign Securities 36 Table 20. Market value of U.S. holdings of foreign long-term securities, by country, as of selected survey dates (continued) Country or category December 2001 December 2003 December 2004 December 2005 December 2006 December 2007 r December 2008 Uganda 5 * 0 0 0 0 2 Ukraine 203 603 1,548 1,276 1,506 2,137 931 United Kingdom 430,882 563,955 627,365 722,849 919,343 1,002,156 562,247 Uruguay 603 603 1,303 1,073 1,694 1,962 1,244 Uzbekistan 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 Venezuela 3,655 5,303 6,863 6,003 6,097 5,426 3,594 Vietnam 21 81 113 306 238 248 199 Zambia 5 5 2 12 16 82 36 Zimbabwe 88 61 68 79 203 200 76 Country Unknown 40 35 * * 0 0 0 International Organizations 11,878 17,552 18,162 18,986 19,369 22,548 20,694 Middle East oil-exporters2 602 990 1,454 2,693 5,829 10,467 7,102 African oil-exporters3 636 320 191 222 97 772 398 Total 2,169,735 2,953,781 3,553,387 4,345,891 5,623,019 6,862,744 4,009,053 r Revisedhttp://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/international/exchange-rate-policies/Documents/FX%20Report%20Final%205-27-11.pdf 2. Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates iraq is listed here but it is not broken down by country...LETS HOPE Edited August 23, 2011 by tim5400 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hablrob Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 looking forward to keep'em'wlkngfnny two cents on this. good post. go rv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson0528 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Thanks Tim, keep searching for good news! However, cash is not typically considered a security; most especially not a long term security. This is mostly in reference to Bonds and Treasury Bills and the like... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodandStaff Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Well there ya go! Do you really think this whole orchestrated plan would not include a stockpile of dinar? Ha! Don't think the big boys would allow us in the door and miss the opportunity themselves! Thanks for the post Tim5400! GO RV Already Baby!!! Edited August 23, 2011 by RodandStaff 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1054 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 IF OUR GOV'T HAS DINAR WHICH I BELIEVE THEY DO AND....THEY HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THIS...YOU CAN DEPEND ON ONE THING.....OBAMA WILL PULL OUT THIS ACE IN THE HOLE CLOSER TO ELECTIONS. MY COMMENT IS PURELY CONJECTURE AND BASED ON NOTHING BUT LOGIC. GO RV 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike032588 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 this says nothing about dinar.... i dont understand why people in this forum love to twist info to pump dinar sales... 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim5400 Posted August 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) looking forward to keep'em'wlkngfnny two cents on this. good post. go rv. yeah..... just searched a little this morning..not sure if Iraq is listed as a courtesy OR the US does hold dinar.... the US can be awfully sneaky too!!! this says nothing about dinar.... i dont understand why people in this forum love to twist info to pump dinar sales... You are right ..it says nothing of Dinar or rial or pesos or pounds ..it says securities...which could mean currencys...IM HOPING as far as a pumper..BS..I quit buying dinar years ago and I would not suggest buying more to anyone..I dont tell anyone about this investment because I DONT WANT to be the one they come back and ***** to......so back off Thanks Tim, keep searching for good news! However, cash is not typically considered a security; most especially not a long term security. This is mostly in reference to Bonds and Treasury Bills and the like... thanks for the info..i wasnt aware of the differences..thanks for the education..never hurts to learn Edited August 23, 2011 by tim5400 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caye98 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 IF OUR GOV'T HAS DINAR WHICH I BELIEVE THEY DO AND....THEY HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THIS...YOU CAN DEPEND ON ONE THING.....OBAMA WILL PULL OUT THIS ACE IN THE HOLE CLOSER TO ELECTIONS. MY COMMENT IS PURELY CONJECTURE AND BASED ON NOTHING BUT LOGIC. GO RV Logic and Obama in the same sentence...there is something you don't see everyday! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Devil Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Come on, are we supposed to believe the US isn't holding a boat load of dinar?? Please. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankenSLI Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 this says nothing about dinar.... i dont understand why people in this forum love to twist info to pump dinar sales... I honestly do not think this post was intended to pump dinar sales. I do believe we all are searching as hard as we can to keep validity in this investment during a time of so much contradicting, and misinforming news. At this time anything positive, or hope bringing that can be brought to the table is welcome in my honest opinion as long as it is not intended to misinform. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrello Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 IF OUR GOV'T HAS DINAR WHICH I BELIEVE THEY DO AND....THEY HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THIS...YOU CAN DEPEND ON ONE THING.....OBAMA WILL PULL OUT THIS ACE IN THE HOLE CLOSER TO ELECTIONS. MY COMMENT IS PURELY CONJECTURE AND BASED ON NOTHING BUT LOGIC. GO RV If President Obama has any influence on this, I would think that pushing for the RV sooner rather than later would put him in a brighter light. The tax revenue, spending, and creation of jobsin America through an RV would have so much more power and affect than the hoopla of the RV. Americans that need jobs don't care about Iraq. Bringing wealth to Americans now is far more powerful for all Americans. Just my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddyal Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Just wondering, where did all of the dollars the Iraqis are using come from. Oil revenues have been frozen in the DFI fund.....correct? Did they come only from the US banks and traders buying the dinar? It sure doesn't seem like that would be enough to fund their country and why would their government pass them on to citizens? Just wondering cause there are obviously a lot of dollars in Iraq that came from somewhere. Maybe we just gave them to Iraq. Probably not. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagdaddy Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Link my friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepmwlknfny Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Thanks Tim, keep searching for good news! However, cash is not typically considered a security; most especially not a long term security. This is mostly in reference to Bonds and Treasury Bills and the like... I would have to agree with your statments...... Just wondering, where did all of the dollars the Iraqis are using come from. Oil revenues have been frozen in the DFI fund.....correct? Did they come only from the US banks and traders buying the dinar? It sure doesn't seem like that would be enough to fund their country and why would their government pass them on to citizens? Just wondering cause there are obviously a lot of dollars in Iraq that came from somewhere. Maybe we just gave them to Iraq. Probably not. :-) DFI funds have never been frozen....its like a checking account.....all their spending money comes from oil revenues.... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddyal Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 I would have to agree with your statments...... DFI funds have never been frozen....its like a checking account.....all their spending money comes from oil revenues.... So you're saying the government of Iraq issued/payed it's people in dollars instead of dinar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DayTrader Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 If they don't have any Dinars in the Treasury they are about to have a lot via nation wide investors. It's all good. So Says............DayTrader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepmwlknfny Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 So you're saying the government of Iraq issued/payed it's people in dollars instead of dinar? Not at all....that money can be easily exchanged into dinar....and they could easily sell some of that in the auctions they hold and get dinar in return as well....that's the benefit of having the USD because its so easily converted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddyal Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Not at all....that money can be easily exchanged into dinar....and they could easily sell some of that in the auctions they hold and get dinar in return as well....that's the benefit of having the USD because its so easily converted It's the logistics of how so many dollars got into the hands of the people of Iraq that I question. Why would the government let the people get dollars since they are going to them first after oil purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtray Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 If they don't have any Dinars in the Treasury they are about to have a lot via nation wide investors. It's all good. So Says............DayTrader yes your right on that .. securities are "NOT" currency .. its foriegn debt and they are not collaterolized with currency .. if someone has currency they dont borrow and use cash as collateral Include as asset-backed securities all collateralized mortgage obligations (CMOs), collateralized bond obligations (CBOs), collateralized loan obligations (CLOs), collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), and other securities which give the purchaser a claim against the cash flows generated by pools of: • Mortgages; • Credit card receivables; • Automobile loans; • Consumer and personal loans; • Commercial and industrial loans and other whole loans; and • Other assets... how old is that info .. i could of swore we forgave iraq debts heres a site that explains securities >>> its not currency .. its debt .. http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/shc2009r.pdf if ya read enough of this you can see we own over 5 trillion of foriegn debt ... and if ya look hard enough you will find out we owe just over 4 trillion in foriegn debt, our biggest debt is to china of just over 1 trillion in bonds they bought ...second to japan who owns just under a trillion in bonds but what that means is our country is up by 1 trillion on foriegn debt the rest of our debt is domestic .. from us treasury bonds .. social security .. medicare ..medicaid .. and about 1 trillion in this war on terror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darin Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 It's the logistics of how so many dollars got into the hands of the people of Iraq that I question. Why would the government let the people get dollars since they are going to them first after oil purchases. Just a theory... But maybe higher officials or wealthier citizens prefer the lower-class use USD. In the event of a true R/V, the more that are holding USD over IQD the better. What this means, is that the wealthy become wealthier while the lower incomes remain the same... If a large % of the population were to be sitting on high #s of IQD... You would suddenly have a disruption in the market as many would likely buy more goods and services. Pushing up the prices as demand would increase, as supply would decrease. The lower class income people would not benefit.. But if the rich are getting richer, they likely may not change their spending habits. They'll put their funds into a bank, and sit on it like they were already doing. So suppressing speculation may help from foreigners, but, it may help also as well within their nation... This would continue to separate the elite from the lower class, and any middle-class that were to eventually exist would be due to an establish private sector. Just a theory, but it does hold a little bit of relevance... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatoneguy Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 I would have to agree with your statments...... DFI funds have never been frozen....its like a checking account.....all their spending money comes from oil revenues.... I watched an Anthony Bourdain No Reservations last night, he was in the Kurdish region of Iraq. One of his bodyguards stated that a Kurd mentioned that if anyone try to destroy what they had built,(the Kurds in their respected region), that they would fight to the end to protect it. The guard then added that they have plenty of money from their oil revenues to support such a stand. One Kurdish man added that they,the region, have 17% of Iraq's oil... without the violence that other parts of Iraq experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danan Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Just wondering, where did all of the dollars the Iraqis are using come from. Oil revenues have been frozen in the DFI fund.....correct? Did they come only from the US banks and traders buying the dinar? It sure doesn't seem like that would be enough to fund their country and why would their government pass them on to citizens? Just wondering cause there are obviously a lot of dollars in Iraq that came from somewhere. Maybe we just gave them to Iraq. Probably not. :-) I remembered reading this when we first took over Iraq, here is the link to the story. Short version, saddam had over 650 million in his palace. http://www.voanews.com/burmese/news/a-27-a-2003-04-20-1-1-93485999.html, in the article it said that the money was airlifted to Kuwait for safekeeping. Wonder who has it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmw Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Would it really matter?....if they US holds trillions of IQD....who is going to pay them?...Iraq can't cover even a small RV if we hold a significant amount of IQD....they can't use oil as they only bring in about 90 billion US per year of oil revenue and need this money to run their country...it can't just appear out of thin air...they can't keep their electricity on...they aren't going to save us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam_az Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Logic and Obama in the same sentence...there is something you don't see everyday! Well, you can't see what does not exist. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFnHappy Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Would it really matter?....if they US holds trillions of IQD....who is going to pay them?...Iraq can't cover even a small RV if we hold a significant amount of IQD....they can't use oil as they only bring in about 90 billion US per year of oil revenue and need this money to run their country...it can't just appear out of thin air...they can't keep their electricity on...they aren't going to save us. If it weren't true, it would be funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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