Carrello Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Talabani's party and change to Reach Agreement "comprehensive" includes the removal of Barzani rejected secession Visits: 19,558 Published on: Today, 10:36 Published by: Hamid It announced the Movement for Change, on Monday, reaching an agreement for a "comprehensive" with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), led by former President Jalal Talabani, indicating that the agreement includes the removal of regional president Massoud Barzani power and rejected the idea of secession. The MP for the Movement Shirin satisfaction that "the two parties (the Patriotic Union of change) will sign a political agreement on Tuesday, to draw a new political map of the region of Kurdistan," indicating that "the new agreement reached consists of 25 items."+ She satisfaction, that "the salient features of the agreement is to emphasize the illegality of Massoud Barzani and the necessity of stepping down from office," Mushir that "the agreement also stressed the rejection of the idea of separation from Iraq." And it showed satisfaction that "the sides and under the new agreement have agreed to enter one list in the next elections," asserting that "the two parties also agreed to the return of the Kurdish parliament to work and prevent the uniqueness of any party political decision of the province." It is noteworthy that the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) and the MDC hold since several days continuous meetings in order to reach a political agreement http://fk-news.com/57284-%D8%AD%D8%B2%D8%A8%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%20%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%BA%D9%8A%D9%8A%D8%B1%20%D9%8A%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%20%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%82%20%E2%80%9C%D8%B4%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%84%E2%80%9D%20%D9%8A%D8%AA%D8%B6%D9%85%D9%86%20%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%A9%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%20%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%81%D8%B6%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%81%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84.html 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasMike1958 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) is this going to throw a monkey wrench into things??? I am thinking this would be a good thing. But I am also thinking Barzani will not leave without a fight. Edited May 16, 2016 by TexasMike1958 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMOND Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 An the dominos are starting to fall llol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoD Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Good read Carrello, about time the Kurds came to their senses...It was just a matter of time before Kurdistan would start to cleanse themselves of the corruption just like Baghdad is doing. The Barzani family has held Kurdistan hostage for way to many years. Just like the Democrat an liberal ideology here in the USA, keep them dumb, poor an dependentant an you can remain in power. The HCL would have already been passed if not for the greed of these corrupt politicians... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Thanks Ms. C another article somewhere talks of changing the Date of the agreement from above article.....The 25 items have been Ink on paper for sometime.....IMO....The Kurds are demanding 5 items for return to house, may wishful thinking that all this is intertwine with one another.... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrello Posted May 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 You are welcome, Yota. I truly believe there has been a well thought out plan in place, with contingency plans as well, all leading to governmental and economic reform, and we are beginning to see the results. Abadi has this train rolling downhill and I believe there is no stopping it ... And the station is in the horizon. BTW the station has a bank for currency exchange in it. Barzani is a billionaire, and I doubt seriously that he gained his wealth in a legal way. I think it is horse trading and part of the agreements needed to move Iraq forward. Does anybody think the IMF or anybody else will support Iraq with funds when they maintain the most corrupt in office and powerful positions? For Barzani and his kind, an agreement to move out of the way so that Iraq can move forward, is better than being arrested and hung for treason. Britain's extradition law with Iraq, and the recent real estate law with Britain and 33 other countries, the funds beings returned to Iraqi, is all telling us that they have names, accounts, and documentation. The crooks no longer have the leverage and they are probably begging for immunity. IMO. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justchecking123 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) I was always under the impression that The Kurds were backed by the US politically. If Barzani is indeed corrupt, who in the bigger picture "rights the ship"? Edited May 16, 2016 by justchecking123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrello Posted May 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 All of Iraq, including Kurdistan, is backed by the US, which at the moment captures by default the corrupt, but as this story says (if true, after all it is a media report) certain members of the government are being expelled due to their corruption, along with influence from Iran (both are difficult to do). The honest people of Iraq are righting the ship with the support and guidance of the US IMO. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJinMontreal Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Thanks Carrello, An expulsion is too good for some of these thieves - but if they leave quietly and return all stolen properties, dinars and assorted golden artifacts, it's good for Iraq in the long run!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 hour ago, BJinMontreal said: An expulsion is too good for some of these thieves - but if they leave quietly and return all stolen properties, dinars and assorted golden artifacts, it's good for Iraq in the long run!! That Trail (Monitoring) goes back to 2003, you can't hide it!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJinMontreal Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ha ha ha ... thank you sir!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mylilpony Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 This is what the kurdistan history has been fighting for 100 years. This has to do with article 140, the hcl, the reason that Hawija is now the 19th province in iraq, because its now kurdish territory. If one studies enough you will find that the disputed territories that make up a large part of article 140 is the exact same caliphate that isis made. Now i ask this question. What country does not want the kurds to have their territory, and does not want iraq to succeed without having their little spies in parliament? The answer will lead you to who helped create isis through sunni proxies that were old baath party members, with the promise that they would have a place in the government of Iraq again one day. Barzani: We call a new resolve with Baghdad or be good neighbors Barzani: We call a new resolve with Baghdad or be good neighbors Section:News May 16, 2016 17:06 Hits:84 The President of the Kurdistan region outgoing, Massoud Barzani, a message on the occasion of the passage of 100 years, the Sykes-Picot agreement, in which he said that "the Sykes-Picot died agreement, and we decide our fate, either to stay on partnership with Iraq, or to be good neighbors." Said Massoud Barzani, in his message on the occasion of the centenary of the signing of the Sykes-Picot agreement, which has been on the basis of the Middle East division, "led to this Convention after the First World War to the fragmentation of the region, without taking the desire of the population and demographics of the region into consideration, and wronged people of the region, especially people of Kurdistan, very much. " "It was as a result of this agreement tragic for the people of Kurdistan in the framework of the Iraqi state, first and foremost, in the state which was formed on the basis of partnership between the two nation-major, a Kurdish and Arabic, were ignored partnership, was the rhythm of the greatest tragedy and injustice and prejudice against the people of Kurdistan, by the governments of Iraq and regulations successive. " Commenting on this partnership said, "The share of the people of Kurdistan from such a partnership, the [Onfelh] twelve thousand young Faili, and eight thousand Barzani, and 182,000 Kurdish citizens in Ckramaan and other areas, and the bombing of Halabja Eemiaoa, and the destruction of 4500 villages, and Arabisation, war and destruction and genocide. " He said Barzani that "after the 1991 uprising, try the people of Kurdistan to open a new page with the Iraqi government, and did not hasten to retaliate, but the Iraqi government has continued its violations, and after 2003 and the fall of the Baath regime, to make the people of Kurdistan, everything has to build Iraq on the basis of partnership and democracy and federal, and work to improve the situation in Iraq and in writing the constitution, to establish a partnership and consensus, but in fact is not the constitution, the Iraqi government and evaded obligations and violated the partnership, profiteers and cut the people of Kurdistan. " And about the outcome of the Convention, Barzani pointed out that "wars and disasters, instability and extremism, and the denial was a result of this agreement, which has spite of the region components, especially in Iraq, and since the installation of the Jabra Convention, did not enjoy the people of Kurdistan and Iraq and the region, peace and stability." He explained Barzani "practically Iraq is divided now, and sectarianism is a form of this division lines, it has breached Daash border and established a new Other in Iraq and Syria, and a lot of countries, and the people of Kurdistan is not responsible in any way for the current situation in Iraq, responsibility for this situation lies on the shoulders of the divided region, before a hundred years from now, as well as on the wrong policies of the rulers of the region and Baghdad, who tried to stabilize the force of arms, oppression, and did not succeed in that. " He said the province head of the Kurdistan "After a hundred years of division and struggle and suffering, try the people of Kurdistan all avenues, to maintain the unity of Iraq, and the state in its true sense, but it was to no avail, Sohkur come in this situation and tell us why do thepeople of Kurdistan after, or what it was done for Iraq to remain united? in order to prevent war and instability and tragedy the other should be areview of the Sykes - Picot agreement, because of Iraq 's population can not afford the war and disputes and extremism anymore, we can not insist on repeating 100 years , other than the mistakes and atrocities, the international community the countries in the region to understand that it must return to nature and the will and desire of the population of Iraq, to end the suffering of Iraq, and decides on the basis of that lifestyle andpolitical future. " on parts of Kurdistan , the other which was divided because of theagreement to the countries of Turkey, Syria and Iran, Barzani said , " about the fate of the people Kurdish in other parts, each one of the other properties of the parts and put a special, must solve the Kurdish issue in other parts of peace and dialogue, according to the specificity of each part. " He went on saying, "We must recognize the current reality, the concept of citizenship has not been achieved and no longer for within the meaning of sovereignty, and that the Sykes-Picot ended agreement, so be on the States and the international community, instead of defending the continued suffering of the people of Iraq as a responsibility HISTORIC can think of a realistic and real solution for Iraq and the region, otherwise it will continue wars, extremism and tragedies, and the risks to international peace and security. " "In this difficult situation, in front of all parties a historic opportunity to prevent disasters and suffering and not to repeat past experiences, I call on the centenary of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the start of a serious dialogue between the KRG and Baghdad to find a new solution, and if the partnership did not work, let us be brothers and good neighbors ". On the position of the internal political parties of the referendum, Barzani said, "if it wanted political parties, under various pretexts, evasion of responsibility in this historic opportunity, the people will be issued his decision, and that the decision of the people is stronger and more legitimate than any other decision, and certainly the people's will issue his decision." http://burathanews.com/news/292919.html 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Carrello Posted May 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Mylilpony, you might like this recent article on Bremer and the Baathists: Finally .. Bremer talks about why quotas disbanding of the army in Iraq by Walter Saturday 09-04-2016 | 2:19:45 H d Twilight News / said the former US administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, said that the sectarian quotas was an option made an emergency landing inevitable, considering that the country has seen "many achievements" after the US invasion in 2003. In an interview with Al-Jazeera, said Bremer, that the sectarian quotas in Iraq "is unfortunate," but stressed that this option was made an emergency landing because of the legacy of Saddam Hussein's regime, which "destroyed the social fabric" and the foundations of his rule, depending on the year in the centers of power. Bremer defended on the outcome of the post-US invasion of Iraq, and said that the country has witnessed six organize elections and a referendum, and I knew for the first time in history, four peaceful transitions of power, as it was agreed that a new constitution for the country. He said that democracy requires a long time, and stressed that it is normal that the Iraqi people face difficulties in consolidating its democracy. He spoke Bremer's decision to disband the Iraqi army and said that it was after the approval of former President George W. Bush. Bush, during a meeting of the National Security Council on 13 May 2003, pointing out that Bush was thought that he could postpone the decision for some time. Bremer responded that the statements made by the island's former US ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, in which he said that the proclamation dissolving the Iraqi army from Baghdad was not subject to careful discussion in Washington. On the other hand, Bremer said he maintained the state institutions in Iraq, and said that all ministries were fully functioning. It is noteworthy that Bremer was the US administrator in Iraq in the period from 2003 to the summer of 2004, and attributed to him, including a series of decisions to solve the Iraqi army and Baath Party institutions, and that caused the entry of the country's spiral of violence that claimed hundreds of thousands of victims. http://www.ara.shafaaq.com/64864 Edited May 17, 2016 by Carrello 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jg1 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I call on the centenary of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the start of a serious dialogue between the KRG and Baghdad to find a new solution, and if the partnership did not work, let us be brothers and good neighbors " Barzani said, "if it wanted political parties, under various pretexts, evasion of responsibility in this historic opportunity, the people will be issued his decision, and that the decision of the people is stronger and more legitimate than any other decision, and certainly the people's will issue his decision." instead of defending the continued suffering of the people of Iraq as a responsibility HISTORIC can think of a realistic and real solution for Iraq and the region, otherwise it will continue wars, extremism and tragedies, and the risks to international peace and security. " Nice. Hopefully sooner than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jg1 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Enough death. Start living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarThug Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 13 hours ago, Carrello said: Comprehensive agreement 32 minutes ago, sandfly said: Thanks Comprehensive 'Thanker'... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mylilpony Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 19 hours ago, Carrello said: Mylilpony, you might like this recent article on Bremer and the Baathists: Finally .. Bremer talks about why quotas disbanding of the army in Iraq by Walter Saturday 09-04-2016 | 2:19:45 H d Twilight News / said the former US administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, said that the sectarian quotas was an option made an emergency landing inevitable, considering that the country has seen "many achievements" after the US invasion in 2003. In an interview with Al-Jazeera, said Bremer, that the sectarian quotas in Iraq "is unfortunate," but stressed that this option was made an emergency landing because of the legacy of Saddam Hussein's regime, which "destroyed the social fabric" and the foundations of his rule, depending on the year in the centers of power. Bremer defended on the outcome of the post-US invasion of Iraq, and said that the country has witnessed six organize elections and a referendum, and I knew for the first time in history, four peaceful transitions of power, as it was agreed that a new constitution for the country. He said that democracy requires a long time, and stressed that it is normal that the Iraqi people face difficulties in consolidating its democracy. He spoke Bremer's decision to disband the Iraqi army and said that it was after the approval of former President George W. Bush. Bush, during a meeting of the National Security Council on 13 May 2003, pointing out that Bush was thought that he could postpone the decision for some time. Bremer responded that the statements made by the island's former US ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, in which he said that the proclamation dissolving the Iraqi army from Baghdad was not subject to careful discussion in Washington. On the other hand, Bremer said he maintained the state institutions in Iraq, and said that all ministries were fully functioning. It is noteworthy that Bremer was the US administrator in Iraq in the period from 2003 to the summer of 2004, and attributed to him, including a series of decisions to solve the Iraqi army and Baath Party institutions, and that caused the entry of the country's spiral of violence that claimed hundreds of thousands of victims. http://www.ara.shafaaq.com/64864 Thanks for the article carrello...Bremer was a putz and complete debacle of the u.s. administration. What i was really getting at and i guess i should have asked was what country helped create isis, and that in my opinion was Iran. They are the spinners of the middle east, they broke hundreds of sunni's out of prison in abu graib , and taji and had buses waiting for them to be taken to syria. From there they joined forces with the prisoners that Assad let out prison in syria , with the hopes they would supposedly fight the opposition forces, but of course their little red headed step child went rogue and turned on both countries. The u.s. had al baghdadia in prison and when we left maliki let him out. Now if maliki doesnt like sunni's and al baghdadia is a sunni, then why let him out of prison?Most of the communique between these sunni's and Iran and Assad was done through Izzat Douri, the number 4 i believe in the deck of cards that the u.s. wanted killed. I believed that was achieved early last year. They tried to tell us that he wasnt dead, but the pics were pretty obvious it was him and he has not been heard from since. This gave Iran a huge door to get into Iraq with the argument that they could help Iraq against isis and we can provide the forces and man power, and of course we would offer some help in your parliament also. Then came Haider Ameri and the Badr brigade which is the head of the popular crowd, better known as the head militia that is backed by Iran, and soon to follow was many appearances from Quasem Solemeini in Iraq. In fact so many that Abadi forbid him to enter the country without a visa and without Abadi's permission. So as far as the kurds go, Massoud Barzani knows how this went down and that is why he is hanging in as hard as he is. Now we have the agreement between the change movement and the puk, and to me that throws up a red flag because the puk and talabani himself have had ties to Iran for many years. So now this gives them more seats in Kurdistans parliament, and can possibly change their elections when that time comes. All Barzani wants is the sykes picot to go away and have the original borders either turned back over to kurdistan or to have a referendum and let the people vote to what they want. This greatly affects the hcl because the lands that the kurds say are theirs hold a vast amount of oil. Its going to take negotiations but i think they can get there. We just really need Iran to get the hell out of Iraq as much as we can. I guess we will see what happens when the kurds return to baghdad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJinMontreal Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Great post mylilpony ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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