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The call to duty has been issued. How many will heed the call ?

Freedom made us a great nation and now it is time for We The People to act to keep us free

237 years ago our forefathers saw this day coming and insured that we have the legal tools to remain free.

No Surrender No Retreat and No Compromise

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The following quotes by the authors of the Second Amendment, their contemporaries, various state and federal courts, and others should be useful in the debate over whether that amendment protects a right of individuals or only the military.

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The Second Amendment states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

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"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America" - (Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.)

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950])

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." (James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 [June 8, 1789])

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." (Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169)

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}])

"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

"the ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone," (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper #46.)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster in `An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))

"...if raised, whether they could subdue a Nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty, and who have arms in their hands?" (Delegate Sedgwick, during the Massachusetts Convention, rhetorically asking if an oppressive standing army could prevail, Johnathan Elliot, ed., Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Vol.2 at 97 (2d ed., 1888))

"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." (Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29.)

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper No. 46.)

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." (Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym `A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)

"The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both." [William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975)..)

"The great object is that every man be armed" and "everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386)

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." (Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646)

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850))

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" (George Washington)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. (Thomas Jefferson, Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318 [Foley, Ed., reissued 1967])

"The supposed quietude of a good mans allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside...Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them..." (Thomas Paine, I Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 [1894])

"...the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms" (from article in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette June 18, 1789 at 2, col.2,)

"Those, who have the command of the arms in a country are masters of the state, and have it in their power to make what revolutions they please. [Thus,] there is no end to observations on the difference between the measures likely to be pursued by a minister backed by a standing army, and those of a court awed by the fear of an armed people." (Aristotle, as quoted by John Trenchard and Water Moyle, An Argument Shewing, That a Standing Army Is Inconsistent with a Free Government, and Absolutely Destructive to the Constitution of the English Monarchy [London, 1697])

"No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion." (James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses [London, 1774-1775])

"Men that are above all Fear, soon grow above all Shame." (John Trenchard and Thomas Gordon, Cato's Letters: Or, Essays on Liberty, Civil and Religious, and Other Important Subjects [London, 1755])

"The difficulty here has been to persuade the citizens to keep arms, not to prevent them from being employed for violent purposes." (Dwight, Travels in New-England)

"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson, ed. Boyd et al.)

(The American Colonies were) "all democratic governments, where the power is in the hands of the people and where there is not the least difficulty or jealousy about putting arms into the hands of every man in the country. (European countries should not) be ignorant of the strength and the force of such a form of government and how strenuously and almost wonderfully people living under one have sometimes exerted themselves in defence of their rights and liberties and how fatally it has ended with many a man and many a state who have entered into quarrels, wars and contests with them." [George Mason, "Remarks on Annual Elections for the Fairfax Independent Company" in The Papers of George Mason, 1725-1792, ed Robert A. Rutland (Chapel Hill, 1970)]

"To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed...to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless...If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to the education of children in knowledge and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defence of themselves and their country." (Timothy Dwight, Travels in New England and NewYork [London 1823]

"It is not certain that with this aid alone [possession of arms], they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to posses the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will, and direct the national force; and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned, in spite of the legions which surround it." (James Madison, "Federalist No. 46")

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights." (Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; With a Preliminary Review of the Constitutional History of the Colonies and States before the Adoption of the Constitution [boston, 1833])

"The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military. The hired servants of our rulers. Only the government-and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." (Edward Abbey, "The Right to Arms," Abbey's Road [New York, 1979])

"You are bound to meet misfortune if you are unarmed because, among other reasons, people despise you....There is simply no comparison between a man who is armed and one who is not. It is unreasonable to expect that an armed man should obey one who is unarmed, or that an unarmed man should remain safe and secure when his servants are armed. In the latter case, there will be suspicion on the one hand and contempt on the other, making cooperation impossible." (Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince")

"You must understand, therefore, that there are two ways of fighting: by law or by force. The first way is natural to men, and the second to beasts. But as the first way often proves inadequate one must needs have recourse to the second." (Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince")

"As much as I oppose the average person's having a gun, I recognize that some people have a legitimate need to own one. A wealthy corporate executive who fears his family might get kidnapped is one such person. A Hollywood celebrity who has to protect himself from kooks is another. If Sharon Tate had had access to a gun during the Manson killings, some innocent lives might have been saved." [Joseph D. McNamara (San Jose, CA Police Chief), in his book, Safe and Sane, © 1984, p. 71-72.]

"To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege." [Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878)]

For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing of concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise. But it should not be forgotten, that it is not only a part of the right that is secured by the constitution; it is the right entire and complete, as it existed at the adoption of the constitution; and if any portion of that right be impaired, immaterial how small the part may be, and immaterial the order of time at which it be done, it is equally forbidden by the constitution." [bliss vs. Commonwealth, 12 Ky. (2 Litt.) 90, at 92, and 93, 13 Am. Dec. 251 (1822)]

" `The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the milita, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right." [Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846)]

"The provision in the Constitution granting the right to all persons to bear arms is a limitation upon the power of the Legislature to enact any law to the contrary. The exercise of a right guaranteed by the Constitution cannot be made subject to the will of the sheriff." [People vs. Zerillo, 219 Mich. 635, 189 N.W. 927, at 928 (1922)]

"The maintenance of the right to bear arms is a most essential one to every free people and should not be whittled down by technical constructions." [state vs. Kerner, 181 N.C. 574, 107 S.E. 222, at 224 (1921)]

"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the "high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]

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I have been watching it coming for yrs now, The elected offices in the White house work for us WE THE PEOPLE but over the yrs they have turned it around, they make the big money and run the show. They have forgotten WE THE PEOPLE are the government of this great nation. AND its time to take it back and show them who the government is from the start. We were given the right to bare arm's to protect out families from intruders and to keep the government in check. Its time to CHECK and weed out the rotten apples, starting at the So called leader that is slowly taking your GOD GIVEN RIGHTS away. :angry:

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OK krome say we all have arms and we are ready to fight how does one start a war against our government?

Who is going to lead the way?Our government has more firepower than we will ever have so we just die

when we try to stop them.Back when this was written they didnt have nukes,rockets,tanks,massive machine guns

etc,How do you stop those things?We are the fly and the government is the swatter.We cannot defeat them

no way so raise arms against the government anyway?What can we hold over our government that

will sway them from taking yer arms?Ben Franklin said if you beat yer arms into plowshares then those who

did will be plowing the fields of the ones who didnt.I cant wait to see God plowing their fields.He was the one who

said beat your swords into plowshares for my namesake for peace shall dominate the land.

So I guess we all will be plowing the governments fields when we are defeated.You dont think our

government would stop at nothing including nukes to stop us.It seems like they have made up their minds to take

what they want without a care for us.Sure its fine to die for your country but then who takes care of

our kids?I am all ears Krome all ears.How can We the People defeat our government?How? I am listening.

I am not bashing you at all and respect what you posted my friend.We have allowed our government to

amask billions in beefing up our military that could be used against us.How do you win against them?

even if 10 million folks with guns showed up to fight our government that war would'nt last more than

3 days before hell fell from the skies and waters against us.You dont think they would spare the innocent

do you?You could have easily threw yer weapon down and said I didnt shoot at anyone and do you think

that they would believe us?Nope.When this war starts and it will all of us will have to participate in it or nothing.

What shall we do? That is the dinar trillion dollar question?fight and die or die and all of this over a gun.wow

watch what you folks dream for it might come true.

Peace and Love as I plow yer fields.I might hit a landmine while doing it thou.

And by the way who is going to win this war? Do you know?

Peace and Love Peace and Love <what does this mean? :(

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........That is the dinar trillion dollar question?fight and die or die and all of this over a gun.wow

You really believe that shallow? All this over a gun? It's about WAY more than that. How about the way God meant us to be...FREE, as in, NOT slaves to evil men that wish to enslave us for their own eff'ed up ambition. I would rather die a free man fighting on my feet, than die a slave on my knees.

Do you really think they would use nukes? They haven't used them against the terrorist and they've been fighting for over ten years. And those countries don't have near the population we have.

Quit talking down about We the People defending our rights and just sit back and let the real men and women handle this.

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This has been coming for a VERY long time indeed, since 1866 at least.

The collectivists have been slowly working to this point in time since before even Lincoln's time.

Not so long ago, a person getting out of prison was given his hand gun back at the gate.

It was only after the US was incorporated that the right became a "privilege" , and only the people deemed privileged by the government were allowed to carry.

Now, if you ask almost anyone, they will tell you only a non-felon should have a gun.

Why is that? If a person has done their time for their crime, and has not re offended, why are they made to suffer for the rest of their lives?

All "laws" are actually only civil infractions according to congressional record.

It was declared when we were all made 14th amendment slaves..oops, I mean "citizens".

All I'm trying to point out is this is only one of many many things we have been lied to and deceived through the "educational" programs throughout this country.

It is time we all take a good look at what we have allowed ourselves to become.

As I continue to research, I am faced with the undeniable truth, I have been as much a part in my own deception as any instructor that perpetrated the lies in exchange for a paycheck.

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OK krome say we all have arms and we are ready to fight how does one start a war against our government?

Who is going to lead the way?Our government has more firepower than we will ever have so we just die

when we try to stop them.Back when this was written they didnt have nukes,rockets,tanks,massive machine guns

etc,How do you stop those things?We are the fly and the government is the swatter.We cannot defeat them

no way so raise arms against the government anyway?What can we hold over our government that

will sway them from taking yer arms?Ben Franklin said if you beat yer arms into plowshares then those who

did will be plowing the fields of the ones who didnt.I cant wait to see God plowing their fields.He was the one who

said beat your swords into plowshares for my namesake for peace shall dominate the land.

So I guess we all will be plowing the governments fields when we are defeated.You dont think our

government would stop at nothing including nukes to stop us.It seems like they have made up their minds to take

what they want without a care for us.Sure its fine to die for your country but then who takes care of

our kids?I am all ears Krome all ears.How can We the People defeat our government?How? I am listening.

I am not bashing you at all and respect what you posted my friend.We have allowed our government to

amask billions in beefing up our military that could be used against us.How do you win against them?

even if 10 million folks with guns showed up to fight our government that war would'nt last more than

3 days before hell fell from the skies and waters against us.You dont think they would spare the innocent

do you?You could have easily threw yer weapon down and said I didnt shoot at anyone and do you think

that they would believe us?Nope.When this war starts and it will all of us will have to participate in it or nothing.

What shall we do? That is the dinar trillion dollar question?fight and die or die and all of this over a gun.wow

watch what you folks dream for it might come true.

Peace and Love as I plow yer fields.I might hit a landmine while doing it thou.

And by the way who is going to win this war? Do you know?

Peace and Love Peace and Love <what does this mean? :(/>/>

For being so smart,

you do say some of the most ignorant statements.

This is not "all ..over a gun."

This is about the freedom of the American people

and the only way that the citizen has to defend it.

You are right that we are over manned and out gunned.

But don't forget the power of the people.

Don't forget that the soldier has taken an oath to protect the Constitution.

Don't think for a minute that there would not be dissension among the ranks,

when ordered to fire upon the citizens that they've sworn to protect.

If George Washington thought as you,

then there would never have been the United States of America.

He took an untrained, under manned, under armed army,

and defeated the strongest army in the world.

If you feel as you do, why don't you move to England where they live as you like?

And let us live as freeman, the way our forefathers and God intended.

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James Madison: Americans have “the advantage of being armed” — unlike the citizens of other countries where “the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”

Patrick Henry: “The great objective is that every man be armed. . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun.”

George Mason: “To disarm the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”

Samuel Adams: “The Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”

Alexander Hamilton: “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”

Richard Henry Lee: “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”

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Farwould, if you seriously think that an American soldier would turn against the citizens of the US that he has sworn to protect, then I truly do not understand your line of thinking. Every soldier in the military has family and friends in his hometown and elsewhere. Do you not think that they would look at what they were told to do and not react against that type of order? If you think that, you have truly lost belief in your fellow man.

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Farwould, if you seriously think that an American soldier would turn against the citizens of the US that he has sworn to protect, then I truly do not understand your line of thinking. Every soldier in the military has family and friends in his hometown and elsewhere. Do you not think that they would look at what they were told to do and not react against that type of order? If you think that, you have truly lost belief in your fellow man.

See Danan.....herein lies the conundrum. If we can be certain the military will not turn on the citizens as directed by the tyrannical government, then why would it be necessary for citizens to be armed. huh.gif

GO RV, then BV

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See Danan.....herein lies the conundrum. If we can be certain the military will not turn on the citizens as directed by the tyrannical government, then why would it be necessary for citizens to be armed. huh.gif

GO RV, then BV

Just thought I would put this excerpt out for these last two post.

Do I know personally if it's an absolute truth? No. But it sure has to make you wonder.

"I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new "litmus test" in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. "The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not". Those who will not are being removed," Garrow wrote on his Facebook page, later following up the post by adding the man who told him is, "one of America's foremost military heroes," whose goal in divulging the information was to "sound the alarm."

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For being so smart,

you do say some of the most ignorant statements.

This is not "all ..over a gun."

This is about the freedom of the American people

and the only way that the citizen has to defend it.

You are right that we are over manned and out gunned.

But don't forget the power of the people.

Don't forget that the soldier has taken an oath to protect the Constitution.

Don't think for a minute that there would not be dissension among the ranks,

when ordered to fire upon the citizens that they've sworn to protect.

If George Washington thought as you,

then there would never have been the United States of America.

He took an untrained, under manned, under armed army,

and defeated the strongest army in the world.

If you feel as you do, why don't you move to England where they live as you like?

And let us live as freeman, the way our forefathers and God intended.

I never said I was smart

Would you fire upon a unarmed people NO but if our military saw those same people with arms what would they do?

Yeah George took some men and won but they were only up against flintlocks and cannons and bayonets of that age.

Can you tell me where I can buy me a A1 Abrahams tank so we can make the odds a little even?If'in they do turn on us.

Once a order is givin our troops will perform or be imprisoned for not complying to order.You dont live as freemen as you say

with or without a gun as long as you live as you say under our current leaders.They are telling you what to do its called laws

and to be free you would have to throw those laws out and then be free to do as you please but we as a honest people do

follow the laws of the land so where is yer freedom?We have some freedoms as we are now.If I was military and they told me

to disarm or even kill if they didnt comply I would do as they told me.Because they answer to God after it is all said and done.

It would be nice if we could make things even against our government so maybe we the people could get our ways when the government

uses us just for money or even slaves but they way over power us as it is.If you died fighting for yer freedom yes you are free when

you die but living as free men and women as a free people some of yer rights would be compromised as a whole living race

of people to try to get along any way we can without loss of life or imprisonment trying to make our own laws as we see fit.

Who shall make the laws to make each one of us happy?Impossible.For every yay there is a nay in this land.

You say yay to arms and I say nay to arms so kill me ONLY so you can be happy?My right to live isnt the same as yer

right to live?Only the enforcement of the wealthy or the most armed is the LAW?seperate us chaff from the wheat of the

government mill.Yeah I dont like it either but to live as a people we must LIVE not die over a RIGHT that does not enclude us all.

You gun owners think you will defeat our government and its troops good luck to you.I will live and watch it all unfold but

if my country calls for me I will do what is needed to do dont you think they will too?

When you fight and die they will continue anyway but with less to worry about.Register yer weapons or you are a crimminal

and thats all its going to take when they give that order.You will have to march against our goverment and they shall

march against you.If the military does nothing under order then push buttons will replace them.The rich will get their way.

because they are scared to lose what they already have when we have nothing and come to take from them.

If you have to hold a gun on someone then yer not living as free men only taking what you want.This boat rocks

both ways but shoot a hole in that boat and we all sink.England is here so why move?Tea anyone?

The only free people in this country are the rich JMHO is all.I have respect for our founding fathers when times

were even well their not even anymore.So who shall be our new founding fathers?

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That's ALL I have to say bout that!!!

Awesome!! All these liberals that refuse to abide by and defend the US Constitution are traitors and cowards!!!

I never said I was smart

Would you fire upon a unarmed people NO but if our military saw those same people with arms what would they do?

Yeah George took some men and won but they were only up against flintlocks and cannons and bayonets of that age.

Can you tell me where I can buy me a A1 Abrahams tank so we can make the odds a little even?If'in they do turn on us.

Once a order is givin our troops will perform or be imprisoned for not complying to order.You dont live as freemen as you say

with or without a gun as long as you live as you say under our current leaders.They are telling you what to do its called laws

and to be free you would have to throw those laws out and then be free to do as you please but we as a honest people do

follow the laws of the land so where is yer freedom?We have some freedoms as we are now.If I was military and they told me

to disarm or even kill if they didnt comply I would do as they told me.Because they answer to God after it is all said and done.

It would be nice if we could make things even against our government so maybe we the people could get our ways when the government

uses us just for money or even slaves but they way over power us as it is.If you died fighting for yer freedom yes you are free when

you die but living as free men and women as a free people some of yer rights would be compromised as a whole living race

of people to try to get along any way we can without loss of life or imprisonment trying to make our own laws as we see fit.

Who shall make the laws to make each one of us happy?Impossible.For every yay there is a nay in this land.

You say yay to arms and I say nay to arms so kill me ONLY so you can be happy?My right to live isnt the same as yer

right to live?Only the enforcement of the wealthy or the most armed is the LAW?seperate us chaff from the wheat of the

government mill.Yeah I dont like it either but to live as a people we must LIVE not die over a RIGHT that does not enclude us all.

You gun owners think you will defeat our government and its troops good luck to you.I will live and watch it all unfold but

if my country calls for me I will do what is needed to do dont you think they will too?

When you fight and die they will continue anyway but with less to worry about.Register yer weapons or you are a crimminal

and thats all its going to take when they give that order.You will have to march against our goverment and they shall

march against you.If the military does nothing under order then push buttons will replace them.The rich will get their way.

because they are scared to lose what they already have when we have nothing and come to take from them.

If you have to hold a gun on someone then yer not living as free men only taking what you want.This boat rocks

both ways but shoot a hole in that boat and we all sink.England is here so why move?Tea anyone?

The only free people in this country are the rich JMHO is all.I have respect for our founding fathers when times

were even well their not even anymore.So who shall be our new founding fathers?

In your case I'm sure one of your founding fathers would be obummer. Your liberalism is over the top. Things might not be even but we can still fight and they know it. Everyone would lose even obummer because this country would be destroyed.

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In the Virginia Ratifying Convention of 1778, George Mason identified one of Great Britain's tactics to control the colonists: arms control.

Mason said:

"Forty years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually ..."

Our founders knew well that big government always prefers to rule by disarmament, because an unarmed populace - like Mason rightly noted - is an "enslaved" one.

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OK krome say we all have arms and we are ready to fight how does one start a war against our government?

Who is going to lead the way?Our government has more firepower than we will ever have so we just die

when we try to stop them.Back when this was written they didnt have nukes,rockets,tanks,massive machine guns

etc,How do you stop those things?We are the fly and the government is the swatter.We cannot defeat them

no way so raise arms against the government anyway?What can we hold over our government that

They thought that way in Egypt,Libya and Syria

We are not the ones that are starting a war the US Government is .

Real soon in their arrogance they are going to try something real STUPID

Gee I wonder what that will be ?

Just in case you were not paying attention all it took in Egypt was for one man to start himself on fire

and the Egyptian government came tumbling down.

Their tanks and machine guns didn't help them one little bit did it ?

Airplanes,tanks and machine guns didn't help Qaddafi nether did it ?

Syria where the people were unarmed that Government will fall in the end.

Millions of Americans have served in the US Military we know what they know

We know how they operate and their tactics.

We have Red Neck ingenuity, they have Hollywood.

We have the Texas they have New York and Chicago.

In every single dept.or organization they have there will be defectors

We will have none.

We have men,women and children ready willing and able to defend their lives and the Constitution.

They have people who think self defense is repulsive and will hide under their beds

We will control the food supply we will control the roads their loyal subjects will turn on them when they can't feed them no longer we will win

The only thing the US Government owns is the fear of being arrested and the way things are going they are losing

control of that also.

No Surrender No Retreat and No Compromise

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Awesome!! All these liberals that refuse to abide by and defend the US Constitution are traitors and cowards!!!

In your case I'm sure one of your founding fathers would be obummer. Your liberalism is over the top. Things might not be even but we can still fight and they know it. Everyone would lose even obummer because this country would be destroyed.

I completely agree except, obummers goal is to destroy the USA, so he wouldn't lose.

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You really believe that shallow? All this over a gun? It's about WAY more than that. How about the way God meant us to be...FREE, as in, NOT slaves to evil men that wish to enslave us for their own eff'ed up ambition. I would rather die a free man fighting on my feet, than die a slave on my knees.

Quit talking down about We the People defending our rights and just sit back and let the real men and women handle this.

+1 and well said.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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