Will the United States remain "United"?

[hoosier1470]

We have all been reading the news out about several states breaking away from The United States!! Do they understand the true ramifications of this? What about those on Social Security? What about all the federal money that these states use and depend on every year? I don't have an opinion to be honest! I live in Indiana, one of the states involved...I am still trying to decide my stance on all of this. That's why I would like to hear some of the opinions of DV members!! What your take on this? Will it succeed? Are you for it or against it...or just neutral?? Just curious, and looking to gain some knowledge at the same time!! Thanks in advance for your input!! God Bless You...and May He continue to Bless The United States of America!!

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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Social Security is a contract betwixt the entity (a Corporation - The United States of America) and

the estate of the individual.

They should still pay out as agreed.

We defer to some on here more well-versed in this than we are....

Let's appeal to their big beautiful brains to clarify some of these points for us...

Good questions, though, HOOSIER.

[magawatt]

There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who want their states to secede from the union. As an effort of protest I stand by their rights. When they start blowing up federal buildings I'll stand by the Union.

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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We're Patriots --- not bill ayres.

[JoeB]

Yes, what a great idea. Think about it. 50 petty countries, each one screaming that they are the greatest. What a laughing stock for the rest of the world.

[kjwayne]

UNITED we stand, DIVIDED we fall! That's all I got to say about it,NOW!

[Deborah Layne]

I think Obama will respond to the demand for a legal election, and a government consistent with the Constitution by Marshall Law. This will out him as the egocentric dictator that he is. I can imagine an overthrow of his regime and a struggle to reinstate the Constitution by disposing of his edicts and the shameful, forced weakening of this country. I can imagine that more easily than I can imagine a union of 20 states who keep and apply the US Constitution.

Either way, if we don't stand up and fight for the survival of our Constitution, we're as much to blame for what happens to us as the people who've sought to tear us down and turn us into a socialist nation.

[DinarMillionaire]

Thanks to "RodandStaff" on another thread Ron Paul has got something to say about secession.

[cris]

I think we can work things out Hoosier....

Billions flow into DC from 'fly over' country that could stay

in the individual States....Thats the way it should be anyway,

if we were to stay 'United'.

Those Tax Dollars are used as bribes to keep States in line right now.

Arizona (my State) certainly doesnt need stimulus money for shovel

ready jobs.....And my Senator does not accept 'pork' when signing

legislation.

Also, with new Governance we can get back to a Constitutional type Republic.

Eliminate burdensome Regulations and Taxes on Business, putting people

back to work....

Besides, 'fly over' Country is the bread basket of the World, not to mention

the Natural Resources that would be tapped....

I would think the Liberal States would be in a far more dire situation if the

center of the Country said we wont support you any further.

[moose 57]

UNITED we stand, DIVIDED we fall! That's all I got to say about it,NOW!

That says it all !

[magawatt]

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We're Patriots --- not bill ayres.

No? What do you think you're talking about then? How did it work out last time?

[Deborah Layne]

UNITED we stand, DIVIDED we fall! That's all I got to say about it,NOW!

Right now, there are 30 states with active petitions. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Personally, I am not so interested in everybody remaining glued together and 'standing' under whichever government system happens to grab control. I'm interested in remaining a Republic, and adhering to our Constitution. IMO that's the basis of this wave of protest. We want our real country back, and are willing to fight for it. There's honor in that. I don't see the honor of bowing to whichever corrupt system of government happens to have cheated its way to the top. That's not the kind of philosophy this country was founded on. If we'd remained passive in such a way 250 years ago, we wouldn't even have been a country. There would have been no United States of America.

[magawatt]

There is honor in protest.

There is danger in rousing rabble. There will always be discontents and anarchists more than happy to throw a brick or bomb with little provocation and even less moral investment.

I had to hold my nose going into the polling booth and wash my hands coming out. But I also came out with the will to work harder in the primary process to avoid the dismal choices of this election.

Believe me, I understand the anger and frustration but I have to protest divisive solutions.

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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DEBORAHLAYNE.... well said -- every time.

If we can stand together on these boards against ignorance,

we stand a pretty good chance of remaining strong in our individual resolve.

[dog53]

Right now, there are 30 states with active petitions. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Personally, I am not so interested in everybody remaining glued together and 'standing' under whichever government system happens to grab control. I'm interested in remaining a Republic, and adhering to our Constitution. IMO that's the basis of this wave of protest. We want our real country back, and are willing to fight for it. There's honor in that. I don't see the honor of bowing to whichever corrupt system of government happens to have cheated its way to the top. That's not the kind of philosophy this country was founded on. If we'd remained passive in such a way 250 years ago, we wouldn't even have been a country. There would have been no United States of America.

+1 Deb. I for one will die free . As far as soical security my brother in law moved to australia and he still gets his check everymonth. Why wouldnt you its your money. You payed into it your whole working life it`s yours

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

There is honor in protest.

There is danger in rousing rabble. There will always be discontents and anarchists more than happy to throw a brick or bomb with little provocation and even less moral investment.

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You're talking about the aftermath of a basketball game...

or that of an angry mob over some cop's trial...

We are not intent on the kind of actions you describe.

We have more class than that... we are not "rabble".

[Minotaur]

Right now, there are 30 states with active petitions. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Personally, I am not so interested in everybody remaining glued together and 'standing' under whichever government system happens to grab control. I'm interested in remaining a Republic, and adhering to our Constitution. IMO that's the basis of this wave of protest. We want our real country back, and are willing to fight for it. There's honor in that. I don't see the honor of bowing to whichever corrupt system of government happens to have cheated its way to the top. That's not the kind of philosophy this country was founded on. If we'd remained passive in such a way 250 years ago, we wouldn't even have been a country. There would have been no United States of America.

Amen, ma'am . . . amen!

Minotaur

[Biker]

I don't think it will be a thing of our house not paying there bills, This action is the beginning of the Revaluation in the states like Russia Predicted. Its a way to over throw the corrupt folks we have working for us in the White House. Remember folks WE THE PEOPLE are THE GOVERNMENT of this GREAT NATION. You for get at times these people work for us but they have turned it around in the past years as so we the people work for them. ITS time to turn it back and show them who they work for.This country is so screwed up its sickening, they vote because they like some one , come on folks i hire folks that no how to do the job i ask them for not that i like them. OR GET FREEBIES.

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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So right on, BIKER....

Definitely a wake-up call to those in whom we've placed our trust & confidence.

We put you in - we can take you out.

How 'bout them apples, House & Senate?!

[R2D2]

We have all been reading the news out about several states breaking away from The United States!! Do they understand the true ramifications of this? What about those on Social Security? What about all the federal money that these states use and depend on every year? I don't have an opinion to be honest! I live in Indiana, one of the states involved...I am still trying to decide my stance on all of this. That's why I would like to hear some of the opinions of DV members!! What your take on this? Will it succeed? Are you for it or against it...or just neutral?? Just curious, and looking to gain some knowledge at the same time!! Thanks in advance for your input!! God Bless You...and May He continue to Bless The United States of America!!

It does not matter that some are on SS. If you have the debt that this goverment has created. I see all that debt and just say let the spenders pay it back. the posatives here are, 1 no more federaltaxs on anything. 2 no more money sent to the cesspool of spenders. 3 no more betrayal of elected officals that are sent to the cesspool. No more money spent to prop up the gender confused, no more money sent to those that refuse to make their own living, no more spent on the gender war that is being wagged by those that want superiority.No more money spent on child genocide. No more attacks on my morals. The positives are way more important than any little pay checks that the spenders want you to live on. No more rules from the cesspool.

I see a whole bunch of positives. There is some give here but the take is nothing compared to the give. Get the hell out of bankrupt USA. no more .

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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R2... there will still be fiscal responsibilities to sustain infrastructure.

But we'd like to think that without the pork, the dollars will be spent more wisely.

We do, however, run the risk of the fed gov telling every state they'll have to pay for everything

the fed gove put in place in their States.... because we "didn't build that"....

Good luck coming in and taking it back, Fed...

[jobug38]

I for one stand neutral on this matter. I am reading the rants of others,and believe that most of the people are just sick of our government telling us what we can and can't do within our constitutional rights as American citizens. I for one love our great nation and want less corporation in out government and more regulation. Hopefully we can get back to fundamental and make our country great again through hearing the voice of the people once again. Not the voice of billionaires and CEO's who bought the politicians to get what they wanted. It's good that people show their right to protest for such an honorable act. I believe that is the point of all of this, there are people who see this as just straight out bigotry and are not learning the truth of the matter. Its a shame some people can't see past hate. The truth is if all 50 states do this then maybe just maybe some good positive change will come from this. PEACE and LOVE are the gateway to TRUTH. JMHO

[jdprescott]

As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."

[Yankees27]

We've been Th Associated States of America since The Civil War. After that great conflict, there was reconstruction but never RECONCILIATION. I was born and lived the first 41 yrs. of life in TN. Now after 17 yrs.in a "blue" state, I can clearly state that social attititudes, racial outlook, and political philosophy have NOT significantly changed. Maybe the two coasts, plus NM & CO as refueling stations( a la' the Phillipines) could be one nation, and the South and other "red" states could be another nation. We'd let TN, TX etc. NOT get the tax $ from PA, NY, etc. Could also make some "working agreements" for airports.RR. etc. We'd love to have Obama as leader and the other new country could have Ricky Perry or Jim DeMinted as President. To the ghosts of our ancestors (like my Rebel forefathers/mothers) it'd "seem like old times" (sorry Chevy).

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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JOE & JD....

Well put.

Thank you both for your heartfelt opinions.

Sounds like you've both done some serious soul-searching and are

determined to hang on to your Patriotism regardless.

Very commendable.

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YANKEES, we +1'd you for opening dialogue and suggesting compromise in the

face of great change.

Thank you for your honesty and input.

Edited November 13, 2012 by SgtFuryUSCZ