For FREE!!!

[BrokeNoMore]

WILL THE USA SURVIVE?

The folks who are getting the free stuff, don't like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

The folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop, and the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

Now... The people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So... The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff, and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason? The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing those people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 235 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumber the people paying for the free stuff. We have one chance to change that. In 2012. Failure to change spells the end of the United States as we have known it.

ELECTION 2012 IS COMING

A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

Lets take a stand!!!

Obama: Gone!

Borders: Closed!

Language: English only

Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!

Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!

NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!

We the people are coming!

[Patsyt]

WILL THE USA SURVIVE?

The folks who are getting the free stuff, don't like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

The folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop, and the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

Now... The people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So... The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff, and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason? The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing those people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 235 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumber the people paying for the free stuff. We have one chance to change that. In 2012. Failure to change spells the end of the United States as we have known it.

ELECTION 2012 IS COMING

A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

Lets take a stand!!!

Obama: Gone!

Borders: Closed!

Language: English only

Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!

Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!

NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!

We the people are coming!

[fnbplanet]

Can't argue with that!

[one2one]

50% of all american households pay 0 federal tax :

90% of all federal taxes are paid by the top 10% of wage earners

[RodandStaff]

When you can vote yourselves benefits and not have to work for it... that spells "DOOM" imo.

Thanks for the post Brokenomore!

Come On RV Baby!!!

[carlos in san diego]

Brokenomore:

I completely understand your anger. To a point I can't help but sypathize with your train of though. But I think it's limited to party rhetoric that overlooks the real issue behind the brainwashing that we have all been subjected to through the controlled and biased MSM. It's not your fault and your not all alone out there, all of us have been brainwashed and manipulated by an people with an agenda that has purposely tried to divert your (our) attention away from the real facts, please allow me to explain:

Do you remember when the Banks needed to be bailed out starting back in 2008? Do you recall the sense of urgency that was used by those in the administration and the confusing language they used to try and explain the reasons for the need to bail out the banking system? That's all it was.....a way to confuse tha American people with a subjec most knew little about.

The billions and billions of dollars that were used to bail them out was GIVEN to the major banks and financial institutions, with NO OVERSIGHT< AND NO REPAYMENT CONDITION!

The bankers had misinvested, squandered, and probably stole the monies their depositors had entrusted to them and our financial system was on the brink of collapse. I know of no one in the business world on Main Street who has been rewarded for loosing all his, and everyone else's monies....Do you?

The trend set back in 2008 has continued to this day, the Federal Reserve has continued to print more and more dollars and given them to banks in what they like to call "quantitative easing" with is a uphamism for "we are printing more money to give to the bankers so they can continue to steal"

I believe officially our national debt stands at around 15.2 trillion, if you believe the gov't numbers. Underground media puts the numbers at closer to 300 trillion dollars.

That is not the sadest part of the whole transaction. The worst part is that the Federal Reserve and our government officials put the burden of their theft on the American People by putting those trillion that they have printed onto our national debt instead of charging the bankers who they gave the money to. This may sound incredible, but it's completely true.

The world bankers have not just targetted America for this type of treatment, they have also targetted most of the world, at one time or another. In the past many countries that have been faced with the overwhelming national debt created by the banking cartels have rebelled and told the world bankers #^*! off! and suffered no long term effects.

This is what we need to do here in this country...IMO

Our media is owned and completely controlled by the same banking elite, the same with BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES, and our industrial complex...THEY OWN IT ALL. They have many people who speak for them whose job it is to direct your attention away from what is right in front of your eyes, look around you and question what people like Rush are telling you.

Do not trust the figures and statistics your government and media are spewing, it's part of the plan, those that you say are "the takers" are doing so for a reason....they are the huge masses of unemployed or underemployed who are trying to survive in a world where the unlevel playing field has taken away any possible opportunity they might have had to make an honest living to support their families.. Please don't be so quick to judge. It's not my intention to argue with you or to slam you for your views or your words...but to WAKE YOU UP TO THE TRUTH!

I know what I am telling you sounds to incredible to be true! I really wish it were not the truth, but, I'm afraid it is! Please inform yourself, if only in an attemp to prove me wrong, please read what is going on with the WHITE KNIGHT AND WHITE HATS. It has all been posted here on this forum or do a google search and find out for yourself, and join those who seek the truth!

CARLOS

[BrokeNoMore]

So Carlos, you don't think that entitlement programs and government employed people mean that less than 1/2 of the people working are supporting it all are part of the problem? Wow.

[dog53]

VIVA !!! EL REVOLUTION !!!!!

[Patriotic_mess]

Thank you for the post Brokenomore, +1 for your Patriotic feelings!

[sportfisher]

RON PAUL 2012!!!

[carlos in san diego]

So Carlos, you don't think that entitlement programs and government employed people mean that less than 1/2 of the people working are supporting it all are part of the problem? Wow.

Brokenomore: I agree that is a PART OF THE PROBLEM, The other part of the equation that is conveniently overlooked by mainstream media is the fact that through political influence (bought politicians) the wealthy and large corporations have shifted the burden onto working Americans because they have managed to get away with paying LITTLE or NO TAX AT ALL!

Not to mention the fact that most have evaded the IRS by offshoring their interests to avoid the scrutiny of the IRS. The system is rigged....don't you get it?

Carlos

[blugrass60]

Carlos, well said.

[emmet]

Our media is owned and completely controlled by the same banking elite, the same with BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES, and our industrial complex...THEY OWN IT ALL.

As usual Carlos is speaking a lot of truth. He could have added THEY OWN US ALL!!! (The International Barkers that is) As far as taxes go The Grace Commission report of 1984 (?) told us that not one thin dime stays in the USA to furnish us any services. Google the report and read for yourself where the money (?) goes. Actually there is no such thing as money circulating in the the USA, but that is another story.

"[The] Bank of the United States... is one of the most deadly hostility existing, against the principles and form of our Constitution... An institution like this, penetrating by its branches every part of the Union, acting by command and in phalanx, may, in a critical moment, upset the government. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in time of war! It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or withdraw its aids. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile?" --Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1803. ME 10:437

[Luigi1]

Elections will be meaningless because those getting the free stuff now out number those that pay for all the free stuff.

How do you tink the majority, the leaches, parasites & sponges will be voting this Nov? They have a perminent plan to stay in power forever. That plan was set in place in 2008.

[littlefeet]

Elections will be meaningless because those getting the free stuff now out number those that pay for all the free stuff.

How do you tink the majority, the leaches, parasites & sponges will be voting this Nov? They have a perminent plan to stay in power forever. That plan was set in place in 2008.

yep !!!

[carlos in san diego]

Elections will be meaningless because those getting the free stuff now out number those that pay for all the free stuff.

How do you tink the majority, the leaches, parasites & sponges will be voting this Nov? They have a perminent plan to stay in power forever. That plan was set in place in 2008.

I suspect that those that you are calling leaches and parasites & sponges, you mean in fact : the homeless, the long term unemployed and the underemployed. Thats your priviladge to look at these unfortunates in this way if you so choose. Personally, I see them as victims of a government and banking system that has no heart and does not care about it's people, but rather their own self interests above anyone else's

I am not shocked at the way you view those less fortunate than yourself. I find it's common in a nation where the media and government has been controlled for decades now. Your views of these people have been carefully sculpted by the talking heads whom the system has employed to make you angry at these people.

The coldness of your views would make someone who does not understand that you have been systematically brainwashed think you do not have a shred of descency and do not share the values of a Christian or religious background that most of us share toward the rest of humanity

I doubt that you are this person. Not deep down inside this is not you. Your views reflect the views of Rush Limbhaw. A known right wing extreme hate monger who has poisoned the American airwaves and the people's minds for decades now.

Luigi the real parasites, leaches and sponges are the bankers and our elected government officials who have aided the elite in stealing sums of money that make the social benefits received by the less fortunate in our society seem like chump change in the big picture.

I suspect you did not read all the posts in this thread, but only with those who tend to agree with your misplaced anger. Your hate and anger are misplaced. You need to keep your mind open to the possibility that you views are wrong, if you can't, then you are no longer reasoning...you're just reacting. It then becomes a knee jerk reaction, devoid of thought.

Carlos

[umbertino]

50% of all american households pay 0 federal tax :

90% of all federal taxes are paid by the top 10% of wage earners

I asked this a few months ago but I got no response... I'll try again now....

In the US you're supposed to pay Federal, State and also ( I don't know if it exists) County and City tax? Thanks in advance.

[carlos in san diego]

Elections will be meaningless because those getting the free stuff now out number those that pay for all the free stuff.

How do you tink the majority, the leaches, parasites & sponges will be voting this Nov? They have a perminent plan to stay in power forever. That plan was set in place in 2008.

I invite you to read my posts Luigi1 It seems you must have skipped right over them without reading them, or so it seems, then we can disscuss the issue!

Carlos

[emmet]

I asked this a few months ago but I got no response... I'll try again now....

In the US you're supposed to pay Federal, State and also ( I don't know if it exists) County and City tax? Thanks in advance.

Yes to the Federal, they steal all they can unconstitutionally. Some states, Nevada, Texas, Florida, Tennessee and I believe Washington or Oregon, do not steal it in a state tax. County and City taxes are called real estate taxes, although no one can find the law that allows those taxes they (the counties and the cities steal all they can). Most states have sales taxes, where again they do not apply to the people of the state but because most Americans are so busy watching all the sporting events, etc they find no time to study any law. An American is not supposed to ONE tax. You ask "well who is supposed to support the system if the people don't? CORPORATIONS that is who, but a lot of them slide by and not pay any.

[umbertino]

Yes to the Federal, they steal all they can unconstitutionally. Some states, Nevada, Texas, Florida, Tennessee and I believe Washington or Oregon, do not steal it in a state tax. County and City taxes are called real estate taxes, although no one can find the law that allows those taxes they (the counties and the cities steal all they can). Most states have sales taxes, where again they do not apply to the people of the state but because most Americans are so busy watching all the sporting events, etc they find no time to study any law. An American is not supposed to ONE tax. You ask "well who is supposed to support the system if the people don't? CORPORATIONS that is who, but a lot of them slide by and not pay any.

Thank you... Appreciated.

[DinarDana]

Brokenomore: I agree that is a PART OF THE PROBLEM, The other part of the equation that is conveniently overlooked by mainstream media is the fact that through political influence (bought politicians) the wealthy and large corporations have shifted the burden onto working Americans because they have managed to get away with paying LITTLE or NO TAX AT ALL!

Not to mention the fact that most have evaded the IRS by offshoring their interests to avoid the scrutiny of the IRS. The system is rigged....don't you get it?

Carlos

Oh yes Brokenomore Carlos has a good point and I lean in this direction. I work for some rather large corporations see exactly how these companies are getting away with this. Offshore banking is another way the rich and corporations are escaping their tax obligations. It is a serious situation and once one has a large sum of money in their hand, how quickly does it take before greed sets in - Business use to be about something different and today it is about the shareholders. I use to have the worst opinion for the "entitlement programs" and wisdom overcame me at some point as I unraveled the lies while seeking the truth. Open your eyes wide there is a lot to see.

[Usaok]

Finally , finally , broke no more , great post but how in gods name do we convince the anointed ones fan club not to vote party or for it ( obamacide ) but for the man that will save this country from the take something for nothing , lazy , low life , have five kid group and get a check from us who work crowd ... Tell me please someone tell me ....? Some idiots love this tyrant and socialist hitler .

[BrokeNoMore]

Carlos,

This thread wasn't meant to address all the ills of our society and our political landscape. I'm just talking about the part I'm talking about.

Also, to suggest that the more than 50% on the public dole are the seriously unfortunate in our society and that we're just mean is pretty much irrelevant, even if true, which it is not. The majority of the people on the dole want a lifestyle they cannot afford, and depend on the working contributors to provide it.

I have witnessed too many times all the bling, fancy fingernails and late model iPhone I can't/don't afford on the people using food stamps at the grocery store, as well as all the things in their cart I can't/don't budget for. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Yes, I pass judgement on how they spend their money. Some of it I earned. I resent it.

If in any society you assign 4 people to take complete financial responsibility for their own dependents, plus six other adults and their dependents, they're doomed to failure. It's simple math.

[Usaok]

I agree with the above post . Get a job you lazy bums . I am tired of supporting your ten kids .... Low life's .!!!

[carlos in san diego]

Brokenomore:

I completely understand what your saying and to a very large degree I agree with it. I'm not here to defend the people you disdain. I personally have only recently, within the last six months or so became aware myself of how our society has been structured by those that control us from the top and I'm not happy with what I've been able to figure out.

Our uneducated, unwashed and ignorant characterise themselves with the trappings of those that they look up to in theiri environment: the tasteless, gaudy jewelry, the $2000.00 rims on a $500.00 junker car, the loud obnoxious music, that makes the back window on their junker vibrate. They do generally have a lot a lot of scragly looking kids and you will find them hanging out in front of the welfare office...it's true!

I don't know what percentage of the population these people represent in the big, real picture. Personally, I don't believe that they represent a significant enough of a majority of the population to critically effect our survival as a nation. Realistically, now that you have read my views on what group of our population is most responsable for damaging our economy, you must also agree with me that the damage these lower class people do is nothing compared to the damage already done by the elite.

How these people got this way, and why as a society we have allowed them to remain this way without intervention is an interesting reason for a debate. The fact is that many have lived in enclosed urban guettos for so long now that they have developed their own written and spoken languages, and we cannot realistically expect them to become Rhodes Scholars overnight.

It took generations of virtual social isolation and marginalization for them to become like this, and if society should feel the need to address their plight, which I think they should, we must first come to terms with the reality of their existance and come to terms also with the solutions to their problems instead of condeming them to perpetual isolation because we disapprove of them.

A person with a good education is much less likely to wind up on a welfare line or in prison because he has the skills needed to take care of himself and his family. It does no good to complain about these people and wish they would change....we need to help them overcome the negative cycles of their existance. It starts with education.

Carlos