TRUMP: Make America FEEL THE EARN Again!

[Whatshername]

 

She knows what I'm saying, and she knows that I know that she knows she was wrong, but she'll never admit it. Chicks are like that...

Divemaster

You are right that I missed a couple of your posts in the beginning (I wasn't quoted and the inmates were trying to take over the asylum!) and misread your overall intent. To be fair, when you say "I'm going to get negged and really dont give a crap" ( http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/216583-trump-make-america-feel-the-earn-again/#ixzz41lctPVHo ), you know you're opening yourself up to criticism. I didn't take your comments personally but I was disappointed with your negativity. You took my comments extremely personally and responded with sarcasm and back-peddling. I don't read minds so I can only go by your words... if all you wanted was to discuss a negotiation of our expectations with a potential candidate, why all the vitriol?

I was sincere about only wanting to talk about jobs and the economy... though I'm pleased with the direction it took. I love to debate and I chose to defend Trump because most every criticism of him was weak and unsubstantiated including this one... "What has Trump said about the Chamber of Commerce?" ( http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/216583-trump-make-america-feel-the-earn-again/page-2#ixzz41lhMgOxE ). He is not a fan... and "Tom Donohue is exceptionally fearful of Donald Trump, a candidate they cannot control, carrying a mandate and America-first set of priorities he cannot influence." ( http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/14/u-s-chamber-of-commerce-head-fearful-of-inability-to-influence-donald-trump/ ). And your spouting the left wing fascist bs needs to be toned down a notch or two... ( http://www.nysun.com/national/fears-of-trump-as-fascist-echo-similar-warnings/89476/ ).

I do apologize if I took you out of context... and I'm sorry I took yer tent pole!

[divemaster5734]

Divemaster

You are right that I missed a couple of your posts in the beginning (I wasn't quoted and the inmates were trying to take over the asylum!) and misread your overall intent. To be fair, when you say "I'm going to get negged and really dont give a crap" ( http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/216583-trump-make-america-feel-the-earn-again/#ixzz41lctPVHo ), you know you're opening yourself up to criticism. I didn't take your comments personally but I was disappointed with your negativity. You took my comments extremely personally and responded with sarcasm and back-peddling. I don't read minds so I can only go by your words... if all you wanted was to discuss a negotiation of our expectations with a potential candidate, why all the vitriol?

I was sincere about only wanting to talk about jobs and the economy... though I'm pleased with the direction it took. I love to debate and I chose to defend Trump because most every criticism of him

 

16/01/14/u-s-chamber-of-commerce-head-fearful-of-inability-to-influence-donald-trump/ ). And your spouting the left wing fascist bs needs to be toned down a notch or two... ( http://www.nysun.com/national/fears-of-trump-as-fascist-echo-similar-warnings/89476/ ).

I do apologize if I took you out of context... and I'm sorry I took yer tent pole!

 

hmm... appreciate coming clean.

Let's see, I was misquoted, steamrolled over and ignored when I tried to clarify, then dismissed with complete disregard, without any genuine attempt to verify the validity of my statements.

And you wonder why I was offended?

 

Isn't that what the stinking progressives have been doing to conservatives?

I don't know many people that actually ENJOY being ridiculed for something they never said.

As for vitriol, you already know I didn't even go there.

You are one of a very few individuals I thought I could trust, my tempered response was out of shock at the betrayal, and no matter how that felt, I still could not bring myself to "attack" someone I had considered a kindred spirit, confidant, and friend.

If you insist, I wont make that mistake again.

 

I could care less if you chose to ignore reality in your zealous cheer-leading of your appointed messiah, it is the deceptive posture of your claims that destroyed any productive discourse.

 

"spouting left wing fascist nonsense"?

You may want to take off your rose colored glasses and read a history book.

 

When I first asked God into my life, I stepped into a world I never even contemplated to exist.

I started going to a church, then volunteered to help out, and they put me in charge of setting up the stage, working the mixer, and take down. I spent hundreds of hours tweaking frequencies, reverb, overtones, mic placements, making custom cables, (bought with my money), and soaking up everything Christian. 

During this time I was struck with an epiphany, and started research.

After a decade, I had no choice but to approach our Pastor, and asked why he didn't include politics in the sermons.

 

He promised he would, but never did. I pressed the issue, and he finally admitted he was afraid it would turn away some of the congregation.

As much as I loved the fellowship, I understood it was seeped in deception, and had to leave.

 

I bounced around looking for a fellowship.

I found another church where at least others were willing to discuss garden variety issues.

I couldn't wait to go to a bible study, I had been cut off from Christian fellowship for over a year, and was going crazy.

 

Everyone was so nice, all smiles and welcoming me to the home of my new study group.

I didn't even start the conversation, but they were talking about Bush, and Bush was still POTUS.

Someone said they wanted to be sure to say a prayer for "brother" Bush, and I asked them if they really believed he was Christian.

 

They were shocked I didn't "believe".

I told them about the opium farmers, the land grab by George and Jeb, the CFR, and was telling them about how Prescott bush was charged by the feds with aiding an enemy for his loans to Hitler when they just couldn't take it anymore.

They accused me of telling lies, declared I was a heretic, and I left.

 

I'm sure some of those folks have come to understand the truth in my words, but sadly, there are still some who have never bothered to take a look, and prefer to live their life in delusion.

 

I have spent thousands more hours helping out getting conservatives elected into Congress and Senate.

I spent at least 100 hours alone just calling Mass voters for the Scott Walker campaign in the special election when that bastard Kennedy was finally sent to hell. I has to schedule projects so I could be on the phone bank between 2 pm and 6pm eastern time, that meant going back to work by 19 pm just to finish the projects on time.

We got him elected, the first republican in that seat in 40 years.

I walk the talk. I spent hours every week researching people and events over the last 150 years just to have better understanding when I am talking to a liberal,

I posted the line about getting negged because I was attacked for being a true conservative long before I was accepted as one.

I have been shunned for daring to believe Jesus does not live in a building on the corner that people have to visit once a week, and have been condemned for rejecting all religions.

I already knew someone was going to attack me for daring to spread truth, just never in a million years though it would be you.

 

I personally don't give a rattsass if you chose to live your live in breathless admiration, batting your eyes between hoarse voiced chants, exalting everything Trump, it;s your life to live as you choose.

 

You can go on and keep attacking me for pointing out out obvious similarities, just because you don't like THAT truth doesn't mean it isnt real.

 

I refuse to let you pigeonhole me, I am not a Trump hater, not even close, but if you are so taken with Trump you have lost all objectivity, then you may be the one who needs an attitude check. 

I logged onto this forum around Jan 5th, just after a couple GOP strategy meetings, and announced I thought Trump was going to get the GOP nomination. 

I have posted far more Trump support than anything else, yet you so conveniently forgot all about that in your maniacal determination to obliterate all voice not in full agreement with you.

 

Hopefully, your unrestricted adoration will translate into trump deciding to be a constitutionalist, but personally, I have never known a politician to change direction without external motivation.

 

I even tried to just let this whole stupid thing go away, and handed you a little pat on the back, in spite of your derision, and instead you only announced how much fun you were having running over someone while reveling in your total ignorance.

 

The original issue is nothing, the intentional and malicious slander, which was used by Nazis, Fascists, Communists, Socialists, and every other group of small minded people intent on forcefully taking over a peoples regardless of the peoples wishes, now that is what bothered me.

 

And now the threat\/ I'd better ratchet it down, really, or what, more deception and derision from you, so you can what, promote the "truth"?

 

That makes you no better than Stalin, Marx, Lenin, WIlson, or Clinton , just another obama wannabe, only missing your jackboots, government badge, and gun.

Just think, soon, you may not even need to bother with thinkers like me, just put a round in 'em and call them terrorists because they dare question your idiotology.

 

Tent pole?

Yeah, maybe, but then, America is long overdue for a true Christian Revival.

It's OK, keep the pole, we'll get another one, you can keep it, as a reminder of the day you chose fanaticism, and threw your fellow Patriots to the curb.

[Whatshername]

hmm... appreciate coming clean.

Let's see, I was misquoted, steamrolled over and ignored when I tried to clarify, then dismissed with complete disregard, without any genuine attempt to verify the validity of my statements.

And you wonder why I was offended?

 

Isn't that what the stinking progressives have been doing to conservatives?

I don't know many people that actually ENJOY being ridiculed for something they never said.

As for vitriol, you already know I didn't even go there.

You are one of a very few individuals I thought I could trust, my tempered response was out of shock at the betrayal, and no matter how that felt, I still could not bring myself to "attack" someone I had considered a kindred spirit, confidant, and friend.

If you insist, I wont make that mistake again.

 

I could care less if you chose to ignore reality in your zealous cheer-leading of your appointed messiah, it is the deceptive posture of your claims that destroyed any productive discourse.

 

"spouting left wing fascist nonsense"?

You may want to take off your rose colored glasses and read a history book.

 

When I first asked God into my life, I stepped into a world I never even contemplated to exist.

I started going to a church, then volunteered to help out, and they put me in charge of setting up the stage, working the mixer, and take down. I spent hundreds of hours tweaking frequencies, reverb, overtones, mic placements, making custom cables, (bought with my money), and soaking up everything Christian. 

During this time I was struck with an epiphany, and started research.

After a decade, I had no choice but to approach our Pastor, and asked why he didn't include politics in the sermons.

 

He promised he would, but never did. I pressed the issue, and he finally admitted he was afraid it would turn away some of the congregation.

As much as I loved the fellowship, I understood it was seeped in deception, and had to leave.

 

I bounced around looking for a fellowship.

I found another church where at least others were willing to discuss garden variety issues.

I couldn't wait to go to a bible study, I had been cut off from Christian fellowship for over a year, and was going crazy.

 

Everyone was so nice, all smiles and welcoming me to the home of my new study group.

I didn't even start the conversation, but they were talking about Bush, and Bush was still POTUS.

Someone said they wanted to be sure to say a prayer for "brother" Bush, and I asked them if they really believed he was Christian.

 

They were shocked I didn't "believe".

I told them about the opium farmers, the land grab by George and Jeb, the CFR, and was telling them about how Prescott bush was charged by the feds with aiding an enemy for his loans to Hitler when they just couldn't take it anymore.

They accused me of telling lies, declared I was a heretic, and I left.

 

I'm sure some of those folks have come to understand the truth in my words, but sadly, there are still some who have never bothered to take a look, and prefer to live their life in delusion.

 

I have spent thousands more hours helping out getting conservatives elected into Congress and Senate.

I spent at least 100 hours alone just calling Mass voters for the Scott Walker campaign in the special election when that bastard Kennedy was finally sent to hell. I has to schedule projects so I could be on the phone bank between 2 pm and 6pm eastern time, that meant going back to work by 19 pm just to finish the projects on time.

We got him elected, the first republican in that seat in 40 years.

I walk the talk. I spent hours every week researching people and events over the last 150 years just to have better understanding when I am talking to a liberal,

I posted the line about getting negged because I was attacked for being a true conservative long before I was accepted as one.

I have been shunned for daring to believe Jesus does not live in a building on the corner that people have to visit once a week, and have been condemned for rejecting all religions.

I already knew someone was going to attack me for daring to spread truth, just never in a million years though it would be you.

 

I personally don't give a rattsass if you chose to live your live in breathless admiration, batting your eyes between hoarse voiced chants, exalting everything Trump, it;s your life to live as you choose.

 

You can go on and keep attacking me for pointing out out obvious similarities, just because you don't like THAT truth doesn't mean it isnt real.

 

I refuse to let you pigeonhole me, I am not a Trump hater, not even close, but if you are so taken with Trump you have lost all objectivity, then you may be the one who needs an attitude check. 

I logged onto this forum around Jan 5th, just after a couple GOP strategy meetings, and announced I thought Trump was going to get the GOP nomination. 

I have posted far more Trump support than anything else, yet you so conveniently forgot all about that in your maniacal determination to obliterate all voice not in full agreement with you.

 

Hopefully, your unrestricted adoration will translate into trump deciding to be a constitutionalist, but personally, I have never known a politician to change direction without external motivation.

 

I even tried to just let this whole stupid thing go away, and handed you a little pat on the back, in spite of your derision, and instead you only announced how much fun you were having running over someone while reveling in your total ignorance.

 

The original issue is nothing, the intentional and malicious slander, which was used by Nazis, Fascists, Communists, Socialists, and every other group of small minded people intent on forcefully taking over a peoples regardless of the peoples wishes, now that is what bothered me.

 

And now the threat\/ I'd better ratchet it down, really, or what, more deception and derision from you, so you can what, promote the "truth"?

 

That makes you no better than Stalin, Marx, Lenin, WIlson, or Clinton , just another obama wannabe, only missing your jackboots, government badge, and gun.

Just think, soon, you may not even need to bother with thinkers like me, just put a round in 'em and call them terrorists because they dare question your idiotology.

 

Tent pole?

Yeah, maybe, but then, America is long overdue for a true Christian Revival.

It's OK, keep the pole, we'll get another one, you can keep it, as a reminder of the day you chose fanaticism, and threw your fellow Patriots to the curb.

 

So... you're a single guy are ya?  I apologize for that!  No need to state the obvious!  

 

Let's pretend this never happened...

 

 

... appreciate coming clean.

 

And I appreciate you very much Divemaster.  I thank God for you and men like you who lead the charge.

 

Let's kiss and make up!  X

[Shabibilicious]

Self preservation........Smart move.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[divemaster5734]

So... you're a single guy are ya?

 

*sigh*  yes, Patty is taken and Sarges Gals would tear me to pieces, so whatever am I to do?

Dating just one is nice, but It seems once they stay the night and you make their toes curl, you come home the next day and they're hanging pictures on the wall...sheesh..

Oh, I have my fan club selections, but I want more than a woman who understands safe sex includes a padded headboard, that';s OK for the weekends, but ya gotta do something while the friction burns are healing, conversations do have a purpose after all..

All I want is a woman that knows when its time to use her mind BEFORE her mouth besides the times that just isn't necessary, know what I mean?.. uh.. never mind...

 

 

And I appreciate you very much Divemaster.  I thank God for you and men like you who lead the charge.

 

Let's kiss and make up!  X

 

That sounds like a plan, I didn't realize how much your friendship mattered to me until I thought it was gone, and that's something I would rather not ever go through again.

 

Besides, you hold your own very well, it's actually very impressive sometimes..

[Muleslayer]

Besides, you hold your own very well, it's actually very impressive sometimes.

personal edit / opinion.

EVERY TIME!

[Shabibilicious]

Besides, you hold your own very well, it's actually very impressive sometimes.

personal edit / opinion.

EVERY TIME!

 

 

GO RV, then BV    

[Jaxinjersey]

... and our DV World returns to splendor!  Kudos, Conservative Warriors!  Love you guys... and gals! 

 

Edit:  Oh, you too Shabs!  

Edited March 3, 2016 by Jaxinjersey

[Shabibilicious]

... and our DV World returns to splendor!  Kudos, Conservative Warriors!  Love you guys... and gals! 

 

Edit:  Oh, you too Shabs!  

 

Hahahaha.....The Charge of the Light Brigade.  Go get em.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

*sigh*  yes, Patty is taken and Sarges Gals would tear me to pieces, so whatever am I to do?...

 

***///

Not a chance !  We'd love ya ta pieces is more like it, DM ! 

We respect your Warrior-for-Truth & Justice status, the fact that you are a Patriot & Great American ! 

 

And you stick to your guns over those qualifications for a Mrs.DiveMaster.  

They're quite sound by any sensible mans' standards ! 

[RSTEFAN]

This was sent to me via e-mail i thought is was very good

 

Subject: Trump the Pragmatist​

The author Mychal S. Massie is the former National Chairman of the conservative black think tank, Project 21-The National Leadership Network of Black Conservatives; and a member of its' [sic] parent think tank, the National Center for Public Policy Research. In his official capacity with this free market public policy think tank he has spoken at the U.S. Capitol, CPAC, participated in numerous press conferences on Capitol Hill, the National Press Club and has testified concerning property rights pursuant to the "Endangered Species Act" before the Chairman of the House Committee on Resources. He has been a keynote speaker at colleges and universities nationwide, at Tea Party Rallies, at rallies supporting our troops and conservative presidents; and rally's [sic] supporting conservative causes across the country. He is an unapologetic supporter of our right to own and carry firearms.

The following is from an article by Mychal Massie on January 19, 2016 in Daily Rant, Race & Politics 5.

sorry no link


Agree or disagree, it is a good, worthwhile read; regardless of which side of the aisle you sit on; or if you don't sit on either side of the aisle at all.
Trump Is Not A Liberal or Conservative, He’s A Pragmatist.

We recently enjoyed a belated holiday dinner with friends at the home of other friends. The dinner conversation was jocund, ranging from discussions about antique glass and china to theology and politics. At one point reference was made to Donald Trump being a conservative to which I responded that Trump is not a conservative.

I said that I neither view nor do I believe Trump views himself as a conservative. I stated it was my opinion that Trump is a pragmatist. He sees a problem and understands it must be fixed. He doesn't see the problem as liberal or conservative, he sees it only as a problem. That is a quality that should be admired and applauded, not condemned. But I get ahead of myself.

Viewing problems from a liberal perspective has resulted in the creation of more problems, more entitlement programs, more victims, more government, more political correctness, and more attacks on the working class in all economic strata.

Viewing things according to the so-called Republican conservative perspective has brought continued spending, globalism to the detriment of American interests and well being, denial of what the real problems are, weak, ineffective, milquetoast, leadership that amounts to Barney Fife Deputy Sheriff, appeasement oriented and afraid of its own shadow. In brief, it has brought liberal ideology with a pachyderm as a mascot juxtaposed to the ass of the Democrat Party.

Immigration isn't a Republican problem – it isn't a liberal problem – it is a problem that threatens the very fabric and infrastructure of America. It demands a pragmatic approach not an approach that is intended to appease one group or another.

The impending collapse of the economy isn't a liberal or conservative problem, it is an American problem. That said, until it is viewed as a problem that demands a common sense approach to resolution, it will never be fixed because the Democrats and Republicans know only one way to fix things and the longevity of their impracticality has proven to have no lasting effect. Successful businessmen like Donald Trump find ways to make things work, they do not promise to accommodate.

Trump uniquely understands that China’s manipulation of currency is not a Republican problem or a Democrat problem. It is a problem that threatens our financial stability and he understands the proper balance needed to fix it. Here again successful businessmen like Trump who have weathered the changing tides of economic reality understand what is necessary to make business work and they, unlike both sides of the political aisle, know that if something doesn't work, you don't continue trying to make it work hoping that at some point it will.

As a pragmatist Donald Trump hasn't made wild pie-in-the-sky promises of a cell phone in every pocket, free college tuition, and a $15 hour minimum wage for working the drive-through a Carl’s Hamburgers.

I argue that America needs pragmatists because pragmatists see a problem and find ways to fix them. They do not see a problem and compound it by creating more problems.

You may not like Donald Trump, but I suspect that the reason people do not like him is because: (1) he is antithetical to the “good old boy” method of brokering backroom deals that fatten the coffers of politicians; (2) they are unaccustomed to hearing a candidate speak who is unencumbered by the financial shackles of those who own them vis-à-vis donations; (3) he is someone who is free of idiomatic political ideology; and (4) he is someone who understands that it takes more than hollow promises and political correctness to make America great again.

Listening to Hillarious Clinton and Bernie Sanders talk about fixing America is like listening to two lunatics trying to “out crazy” one another. Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio are owned lock, stock, and barrel by the bankers, corporations, and big dollar donors funding their campaigns. Bush can deny it but common sense tells anyone willing to face facts is that people don't give tens of millions without expecting something in return.

We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it brought us? Are we better off today or worse off? Has it happened overnight or has it been a steady decline brought on by both parties?

I submit that a pragmatist might be just what America needs right now. And as I said earlier, a pragmatist sees a problem and understands that the solution to fix same is not about a party, but a willingness and boldness to get it done.

People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance, but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives, and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure
"To whom much is given, much is required."


Have a Great Day

bob

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[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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Then why do so many of his "pragmatic resolutions" sound SO much like a socialist agenda...?

[Shabibilicious]

I had a long drawn out diatribe, but......."short bus pragmatism" seems the most fitting and to the point.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

***///

..."short bus pragmatism..." --- brilliant ANALogy ! 

[Shabibilicious]

***///

..."short bus pragmatism..." --- brilliant ANALogy ! 

 

Trump's a rebel though.  He sits in the back of the bus......or row 3, if you will.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[divemaster5734]

Besides, you hold your own very well, it's actually very impressive sometimes.

personal edit / opinion.

EVERY TIME!

 

egads mon! walk it off brother, walk it off, it's gets easier after awhile...

 

***///

Not a chance !  We'd love ya ta pieces is more like it, DM ! 

We respect your Warrior-for-Truth & Justice status, the fact that you are a Patriot & Great American ! 

 

And you stick to your guns over those qualifications for a Mrs.DiveMaster.  

They're quite sound by any sensible mans' standards ! 

 

Even if I was petting the cat backwards...lol

 

 

Viewing things according to the so-called Republican conservative perspective <-----  We haven't had that since Reagan, and even then he had to give into the globalists, or they might not miss next time.

Immigration isn't a Republican problem – it isn't a liberal problem – it is a problem that threatens the very fabric and infrastructure of America. It demands a pragmatic approach not an approach that is intended to appease one group or another.

The impending collapse of the economy isn't a liberal or conservative problem, it is an American problem. <---- They are all corrupt politicians doing thing for their corporate sponsors problems. Unfortunately the American Public has been complicit by refusing to make a stand.

 

Trump uniquely understands that China’s manipulation of currency is not a Republican problem or a Democrat problem. <--- It's what collectivist empires do when there is no one to stop them.

I argue that America needs pragmatists because pragmatists see a problem and find ways to fix them. They do not see a problem and compound it by creating more problems. <--- The problem is that is they decide in order to make the gun grabbers happy it's OK to outlaw scary looking guns, or in order to make the illegals happy they give them full citizenship, then the "pragamatic" approach is a fail for AMerica.

 he is someone who is free of idiomatic political ideology; <--- Perfect! So let's fill him with the guidelines he need to know in order to make every decision that he will ever be faced with.

 

 Bush can deny it but <--- A zebra cant change it's stripes. The Bush clan is CFR, undeniably committed globalists, heartfelt supporters of the NWO, and no friend of America.

We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it brought us? <--- A bunch of power hungry lying dirtbag peter freaks?

I submit that a pragmatist might be just what America needs right now. And as I said earlier, a pragmatist sees a problem and understands that the solution to fix same is not about a party, but a willingness and boldness to get it done.

 

I submite that America need to learn their history, understand the Four Organic Laws that govern America, and reverse the insane damage done to this country ever since Abraham "The Tyrant" Lincoln usurped America, and expanded on by every single POTUS since.

 

 

Not sure I'd call Trump short buss, maybe he just likes sitting next to that lady with Parkinson's for the free hand job..

 

Since Lincoln created his EO's and refused states sovereignty the republican party have been federalists. They have not practiced true republicanism.

 

All that said, I think with some coaching, Trump just might work, but Americans are going to have to start communicating our demands now.

[Muleslayer]

 

GO RV, then BV    

True

Put a big smile on my face!

I have a big sloppy kiss for you to Shabs!

[Whatshername]

Well folks... I have enjoyed this thread immensely!  Thanks to all who participated (except you Shabs... kinda light on the humor AND substance this go around!).  We laughed, we cried, we fudged our undies!    And we're not alone in our tumult... this debate is going on everywhere there are good people who love America (just like all of us).

 

I'm a busy woman... There are many who explain what's going on with Trump better than I.  So I submit this great piece for your perusal.  It's by Oleg Atbashian (Red Square of the People's Cube.)

 

Donald Trump vs. "True Conservatives"

First, let's look at the bigger picture.

We can all agree that the current national discourse, the list of debated issues, and even the vocabulary in which we debate them are a more or less recent creation of the "progressive" Left. The same forces have also fractured our society into collectivist pressure groups, to whom the Democrats and the Republicans alike must now pander in order to survive politically. The causes the Republicans must support and the questions they must publicly answer mostly come from within the "progressive" frame of reference. As politicians, they live and die within the "progressive" paradigm, complying with political correctness which they personally despise.

The only political actor on the national stage since Reagan who has been able to shatter that paradigm, frame, and narrative, is none other than Trump. He has created his own narrative, his own issues, and continues to frame the debate on his own terms. He rejects the game the establishment is playing on both sides. Trump plays his own game by his own rules. People like it and that's why he is leading in the polls.

Ted Cruz may have great conservative ideas which he articulates better than Trump, but today's cultural landscape has been rigged with traps for conservative ideologues. Even if "ideologically pure" Cruz ever wins the presidency, he will have to live in that adverse landscape, which the Left will transform into a toxic quagmire before he can say "pro-life." What good will his great ideas do if they are bogged down in the enormous government bureaucracy staffed with "progressive" Democrats?

The media, academia, and Hollywood cultivate polarization and mutual partisan resentment as an antidote against conservative ideologues. Partisanship only benefits Democrats. Doing anything within this framework is counterproductive; the best thing a conservative president can do is rename the "progressive" swamp into a "conservative" swamp, which will hardly make the swamp a better place. What's really needed here is a complete overhaul of the cultural landscape. The next president will fail unless he drains the noxious "progressive" swamp in its entirety. 

This job can only be effectively done by a non-ideological and forceful president-bully with a popular appeal, who can unite and inspire the nation across the partisan lines and has the license to call things what they are, according to common sense and not political correctness. Trump has earned that license and proved that he has the above qualities. As a bonus, he has also proved that he is immune to media criticism.

Trump attracts large crowds because people who have been bullied by the "progressives" for too long are finally excited to see a bully on their side. It takes a bully to stand up to other bullies. Ted Cruz, with all his intellect and "pure" conservative credentials, is not a bully.

This brings me to the pious advocates of "pure" conservatism who like to blame the GOP establishment for the current mess. I'm all for shaming political wh0res, but it wouldn't also hurt to take a closer look at their own icon William Buckley, the celebrated creator of today's conservative movement. Buckley also seemed to put a lot of effort into splitting hairs over the question of who is a "real" conservative and who is not. But was his movement a success? Let's look at the outcome: all commanding positions in the American culture, media, and education have been surrendered to the "progressives," the economy is sliding towards socialism, and conservatives are now the pariahs of the 21st century. Last time I checked, conservatives measured success by the outcomes, not by good intentions.

Furthermore, Buckley placed religion as the cornerstone of conservatism, where it doesn't belong - which becomes obvious if you look at the proliferation of "progressive" churches and reverends like Sharpton, Jackson, and Jeremiah Wright. Obsessed with "purity," Buckley "excommunicated" atheist author and thinker Ayn Rand - the greatest and possibly fatal loss for the conservative movement - as well as other "unpure" ones, including the anti-communist, anti-UN John Birch Society for being "too extreme." As a result, to qualify as a "true conservative" one almost has to be a castrated monk, which is pretty close to our public image and, for some, a self-image as well. Good luck winning the culture wars, holy brothers!

Buckley's "pure" vision is continued today by his brainchild, National Review, which has assumed the role of announcing to the nation who is a "true" and who is "not a true" conservative. Following in their founder's tradition they recently attempted to excommunicate Donald Trump. This cost them a large chunk of their audience and a great deal of mental anguish, which will hopefully prompt them finally to look outside their ivory tower and see how the rest of us live. 

Everyone who has attacked Trump so far has lost: National Review, the RNC, Fox News, Jeb Bush, and even the Pope. The latest attacker licking his wounds is now Glenn Beck. When a certified psycho like Alex Jones tells Beck to get a straightjacket, it's got to be serious.

Did I enjoy watching Trump bash the Bushes on the WMD and WTC? Absolutely not. Upon reflection, however, as much as it pains me to say it, Trump gave George W. Bush what he deserved - a taste of the popular narrative created in the absence of any effort by the former president to clear his own name from false accusations when he was in office. 

Like many others on our side I spent way too much time debunking the anti-Bush fallacies and ridiculing the Bush Derangement Syndrome - something Bush himself could have done more effectively. But he didn't. He just quietly stepped down, allowing the lies to take hold and solidify into an internationally accepted narrative. That made me, among many others, feel betrayed and deflated. Remember Limbaugh's comment about being tired of carrying Bush's water? I'm pretty sure he felt the same way.

To make matters worse, the unopposed anti-Bush hysteria also gave the White House to Obama, who still blames Bush for all his troubles. Bush's refusal to fight has given his opponents so much fuel that seven years later Obama still runs on the anti-Bush platform and gets great mileage. 

That probably explains why voters rejected Jeb: they were afraid to live through the same scenario with another Bush. 

That may also explain why they'd rather have Trump - a Teflon bully.

 

(My comrades are having a great parallel conversation) See more at: http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/trump-poster-make-america-feel-the-earn-again-t17606.html#.dpuf

[divemaster5734]

 

 

The causes the Republicans must support and the questions they must publicly answer mostly come from within the "progressive" frame of reference.

The only political actor on the national stage since Reagan who has been able to shatter that paradigm, frame, and narrative, is none other than Trump.

Ted Cruz may have great conservative ideas which he articulates better than Trump, but today's cultural landscape has been rigged with traps for conservative ideologues.

 The next president will fail unless he drains the noxious "progressive" swamp in its entirety. 

This job can only be effectively done by a non-ideological and forceful president-bully with a popular appeal, who can unite and inspire the nation across the partisan lines

Trump attracts large crowds because people who have been bullied by the "progressives" for too long

This brings me to the pious advocates of "pure" conservatism who like to blame the GOP establishment for the current mess. I'm all for shaming political wh0res, but it wouldn't also hurt to take a closer look at their own icon William Buckley, the celebrated creator of today's conservative movement.

That probably explains why voters rejected Jeb: they were afraid to live through the same scenario with another Bush. 

That may also explain why they'd rather have Trump - a Teflon bully.

I know you have been busy, as have I, and I do believe it was the sum of our distractions that caused our misunderstanding.

 

 

 

 

I narrowed the "piece" to it's core statements. Actually, I should say it's flawed core assumptions, intentional or contrived, which can only lead to a twisted analogy.

 

The beginning statement is very true, as we have all known, the main stream media employs left wing bias.

I am continuously amazed America puts up with it.

To proudly declare only "a bully" could stand up to the PC hysteria is either woefully ignorant or purposefully inciteful. It does require a strong person, but Ben Carson was able to stand also.

The media gave us Trump as much as did the establishment GOP, the obmination, and the fake conservatism propagated by Buckley.

 

Buckley was a member of the Skull and Bones, so it was only apparent he was also a Roman Catholic type Christian.

I personally do not agree that The Pope is anymore special than you or me, definitely do not believe he is some sort of God incarnate, and also reject the hypocrisy of the Buckley conservative agenda.

 

Christians and conservatives have been bullied, but only because they have allowed it.

I personally refuse to be bullied, and while that has cost me jobs, I have seen the look of terror in progressives eyes as they realize they have just blissfully opened the door to a conservative that knows the truth and can articulate it with as much venom and contempt as they can. I have watched as they have been reduced to nothing more than school yard bullies, screaming insults because they long ago lost their arrogant and hollow moral superiority pretense when they couldn't back it up with any substance.

If that means I am a "bully" for standing up for myself, I would question what that author has allowed others to do to him in order to "not" be a bully.

 

At this point in the game, it is possibly true that only Trump can continue the steam roll of the empty left promises, but to declare the only reason Jeb was rejected was because he wasn't tough enough to be a bully is as flipping ignorant and pandering as I have ever heard.

America knows the Bushes are a lying corrupted, elitist snobs, they are commies in drag, and I only hope God has a extra hot spot in hell for them to spend a few dozen millenniums frying next to Hitler for their deceptive faux Christianity.

 

A "Teflon bully"?, that author is a limp wristed biatch.

Buckley tried to force his own conservationism on America, the Bush kind, where elitists were worshiped, and our "divine" mission was to colonize the entire planet.

 

 

I have not decided whom I will support, even so, to label Trump a bully is beyond pale, and I question the authors motives.

 

[divemaster5734]

I know you have been busy, as have I, and I do believe it was the sum of our distractions that caused our misunderstanding.

 

 

 

 

I narrowed the "piece" to it's core statements. Actually, I should say it's flawed core assumptions, intentional or contrived, which can only lead to a twisted analogy.

 

The beginning statement is very true, as we have all known, the main stream media employs left wing bias.

I am continuously amazed America puts up with it.

To proudly declare only "a bully" could stand up to the PC hysteria is either woefully ignorant or purposefully inciteful. It does require a strong person, but Ben Carson was able to stand also.

The media gave us Trump as much as did the establishment GOP, the obmination, and the fake conservatism propagated by Buckley.

 

Buckley was a member of the Skull and Bones, so it was only apparent he was also a Roman Catholic type Christian.

I personally do not agree that The Pope is anymore special than you or me, definitely do not believe he is some sort of God incarnate, and also reject the hypocrisy of the Buckley conservative agenda.

 

Christians and conservatives have been bullied, but only because they have allowed it.

I personally refuse to be bullied, and while that has cost me jobs, I have seen the look of terror in progressives eyes as they realize they have just blissfully opened the door to a conservative that knows the truth and can articulate it with as much venom and contempt as they can. I have watched as they have been reduced to nothing more than school yard bullies, screaming insults because they long ago lost their arrogant and hollow moral superiority pretense when they couldn't back it up with any substance.

If that means I am a "bully" for standing up for myself, I would question what that author has allowed others to do to him in order to "not" be a bully.

 

At this point in the game, it is possibly true that only Trump can continue the steam roll of the empty left promises, but to declare the only reason Jeb was rejected was because he wasn't tough enough to be a bully is as flipping ignorant and pandering as I have ever heard.

America knows the Bushes are a lying corrupted, elitist snobs, they are commies in drag, and I only hope God has a extra hot spot in hell for them to spend a few dozen millenniums frying next to Hitler for their deceptive faux Christianity.

 

A "Teflon bully"?, that author is a limp wristed biatch.

Buckley tried to force his own conservationism on America, the Bush kind, where elitists were worshiped, and our "divine" mission was to colonize the entire planet.

 

 

I have not decided whom I will support, even so, to label Trump a bully is beyond pale, and I question the authors motives.

 

 

Nice, a ruby.

 

This is a badge of honor.

 

Either the hater wants to hide behind a "bully", doesn't understand the difference if someone just refuses to cave on principle, or is just another mindless drone, unable to think for themselves, riding the wave of popularity, and only reacts out of impulse, kicking the dog on cue.

 

Trump is not a bully.

 

The stinking progressives, communists, socialists, establishment politicians, oppressive global corporations, lying media, and every other empty talking head that promotes political correctness, populist racism, and entitlement increases have been the bullies.

If trump is to be anything, he needs to be  one of the most principled politicians America has had since Reagan.

 

If the hater that negged my response is  a Trump supporter, then we are in trouble, because stupid is as stupid does, and ignorance can never prevail.

Edited March 6, 2016 by divemaster5734

[Shabibilicious]

Well folks... I have enjoyed this thread immensely!  Thanks to all who participated (except you Shabs... kinda light on the humor AND substance this go around!).  We laughed, we cried, we fudged our undies!    And we're not alone in our tumult... this debate is going on everywhere there are good people who love America (just like all of us).

 

I'm a busy woman... There are many who explain what's going on with Trump better than I.  So I submit this great piece for your perusal.  It's by Oleg Atbashian (Red Square of the People's Cube.)

 

You're half right......I was lacking in the humor department this go around, but you picked up the slack for me and I truly appreciate it.  For example:  I got quite the chuckle out of watching you get schooled by somebody other than me.    

 

GO RV, then BV 

Nice, a ruby.

 

This is a badge of honor.

 

Either the hater wants to hide behind a "bully", doesn't understand the difference if someone just refuses to cave on principle, or is just another mindless drone, unable to think for themselves, riding the wave of popularity, and only reacts out of impulse, kicking the dog on cue.

 

Trump is not a bully.

 

The stinking progressives, communists, socialists, establishment politicians, oppressive global corporations, lying media, and every other empty talking head that promotes political correctness, populist racism, and entitlement increases have been the bullies.

If trump is to be anything, he needs to be  one of the most principled politicians America has had since Reagan.

 

If the hater that negged my response is  a Trump supporter, then we are in trouble, because stupid is as stupid does, and ignorance can never prevail.

 

Annoying, right?!......I get negged by drive-by lackies all the time.  They just don't have the stones to engage, I guess.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[Whatshername]

I narrowed the "piece" to it's core statements. Actually, I should say it's flawed core assumptions, intentional or contrived, which can only lead to a twisted analogy.

The beginning statement is very true, as we have all known, the main stream media employs left wing bias.

I am continuously amazed America puts up with it.

To proudly declare only "a bully" could stand up to the PC hysteria is either woefully ignorant or purposefully inciteful. It does require a strong person, but Ben Carson was able to stand also.

The media gave us Trump as much as did the establishment GOP, the obmination, and the fake conservatism propagated by Buckley.

Buckley was a member of the Skull and Bones, so it was only apparent he was also a Roman Catholic type Christian.

I personally do not agree that The Pope is anymore special than you or me, definitely do not believe he is some sort of God incarnate, and also reject the hypocrisy of the Buckley conservative agenda.

Christians and conservatives have been bullied, but only because they have allowed it.

I personally refuse to be bullied, and while that has cost me jobs, I have seen the look of terror in progressives eyes as they realize they have just blissfully opened the door to a conservative that knows the truth and can articulate it with as much venom and contempt as they can. I have watched as they have been reduced to nothing more than school yard bullies, screaming insults because they long ago lost their arrogant and hollow moral superiority pretense when they couldn't back it up with any substance.

If that means I am a "bully" for standing up for myself, I would question what that author has allowed others to do to him in order to "not" be a bully.

At this point in the game, it is possibly true that only Trump can continue the steam roll of the empty left promises, but to declare the only reason Jeb was rejected was because he wasn't tough enough to be a bully is as flipping ignorant and pandering as I have ever heard.

America knows the Bushes are a lying corrupted, elitist snobs, they are commies in drag, and I only hope God has a extra hot spot in hell for them to spend a few dozen millenniums frying next to Hitler for their deceptive faux Christianity.

A "Teflon bully"?, that author is a limp wristed biatch.

Buckley tried to force his own conservationism on America, the Bush kind, where elitists were worshiped, and our "divine" mission was to colonize the entire planet. 

I have not decided whom I will support, even so, to label Trump a bully is beyond pale, and I question the authors motives.

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Good morning Dive! I took most of the weekend off to luxuriate in my Happy Place! Not sure what ruby you're talking about, but if it was on this post... maybe it's your presumptuous critique of Mr. Atbashian's "piece". He's not just some poster on some satirical website. I'm sure he'd get a kick out of your edit though! If you're interested... this is classic Oleg (he's NOT a public speaker)... but his experience and perspective is uniquely brilliant. I think you'll like him...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HvLaRvFDh4

  

You're half right......I was lacking in the humor department this go around, but you picked up the slack for me and I truly appreciate it.  For example:  I got quite the chuckle out of watching you get schooled by somebody other than me.    

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

Annoying, right?!......I get negged by drive-by lackies all the time.  They just don't have the stones to engage, I guess.    

 

GO RV, then BV

HA! GM Shabs. Let's review... You tried to misdirect the subject of the OP. You presented your OPINION as FACT in your usual grandiose yet unimpressive way. You made ridiculous predictions that Hildabeast would garner favoritism from voters if Trump dared go after her with the same harsh treatment he's shown to his fellow candidates. Lol. You implied Trump was too stupid to develop detailed policies... and his supporters aren't "humble" enough to admit this false narrative. Then, before even taking a cleansing breath, compared the intellectually apathetic low-info Clinton supporters to the highly engaged and completely fed up Trump supporters (which was laughable at its inception and you should have known better). You tried to redefine my words and pigeonhole Trumps strength as "suing his way through life" (like that's all he has going for him) followed closely by a sexist remark about Mrs. Trump. You took the lazy low road to inform me that I've been "owned" if I think (believe) he's on the "up and up" as though you or anyone has one shred of proof to the contrary. Then this gem... "Funny or not, he sure reeks of moderate liberalism (planned parenthood, Palestine, gun registry, to name a few). He is what we hate about politics......He's the big money that has bought and paid for politicians over and over again..." which caused me to LmyAO (who are you and what have you done with Shabs?!) and prompted a few a Google searches that resulted in YOU being OWNED by both George and myself. Moving along, you took Jax out of context by paraphrasing my words, tried to stir some shlt as a diversion and again, lazily 'shrugged' off his suggestion that you dig a little deeper to help you comprehend objective logic. You insinuate yourself into conversations not directed toward you to try to minimize my broader point. You again take the left fork in the road by interjecting RACE into the conversation where it most definitely doesn't belong then showed your REAL ignorance by asserting that Trump is somehow pandering only to "the white caucasian American". All fine work if you are indeed a troll. Your performance on this thread has been divisive, undermining and intellectually ankle-deep. Like I said... light on the humor, light on the substance and hilariously incorrect in your assertion that I was "schooled" by ANYONE - much less you my snarky little friend!

Why don't you start a thread about something we all care about (this one was supposed to be about jobs and the economy). I'm sure no one will attempt to hijack it, confront you from every angle imaginable and insult you for your reasoning and resolve. Brace yourself... just in case I'm wrong about THAT! Lol!

[divemaster5734]

....I was lacking in the humor department this go around,

 

Annoying, right?!......I get negged by drive-by lackies all the time.  They just don't have the stones to engage, I guess.    

 

 

 

Some gallows humor is never funny. Especially when there is nothing to be gained.

 

 

 

Ya know what that second comment reminds me of?

Both my kids hurt themselves trying to be like daddy.

Each was around five years old, and each stuck a metal object in a live plug after watching me do a room addition or shop expansion.

They had no idea what they were doing, were oblivious of the forces they were playing with, didn't even know what the word technique even meant, had no actual purpose to do what they were doing other than to get attention, and never even had a clear idea of the desired outcome or even intended to do anything constructive.

As a result, they each got knocked on their asses.

 

The only difference is the five year olds actually learned their lesson, quit doing stuff they just did not understand, and decided to listen to the adults that knew what they were talking about.

 

Ouch..

 

.

Good morning Dive! I took most of the weekend off to luxuriate in my Happy Place! Not sure what ruby you're talking about, but if it was on this post... maybe it's your presumptuous critique of Mr. Atbashian's "piece". He's not just some poster on some satirical website. I'm sure he'd get a kick out of your edit though! If you're interested... this is classic Oleg (he's NOT a public speaker)... but his experience and perspective is uniquely brilliant. I think you'll like him...

  

HA! GM Shabs. Let's review... You tried to misdirect the subject of the OP. You presented your OPINION as FACT in your usual grandiose yet unimpressive way. You made ridiculous predictions that Hildabeast would garner favoritism from voters if Trump dared go after her with the same harsh treatment he's shown to his fellow candidates. Lol. You implied Trump was too stupid to develop detailed policies... and his supporters aren't "humble" enough to admit this false narrative. Then, before even taking a cleansing breath, compared the intellectually apathetic low-info Clinton supporters to the highly engaged and completely fed up Trump supporters (which was laughable at its inception and you should have known better). You tried to redefine my words and pigeonhole Trumps strength as "suing his way through life" (like that's all he has going for him) followed closely by a sexist remark about Mrs. Trump. You took the lazy low road to inform me that I've been "owned" if I think (believe) he's on the "up and up" as though you or anyone has one shred of proof to the contrary. Then this gem... "Funny or not, he sure reeks of moderate liberalism (planned parenthood, Palestine, gun registry, to name a few). He is what we hate about politics......He's the big money that has bought and paid for politicians over and over again..." which caused me to LmyAO (who are you and what have you done with Shabs?!) and prompted a few a Google searches that resulted in YOU being OWNED by both George and myself. Moving along, you took Jax out of context by paraphrasing my words, tried to stir some shlt as a diversion and again, lazily 'shrugged' off his suggestion that you dig a little deeper to help you comprehend objective logic. You insinuate yourself into conversations not directed toward you to try to minimize my broader point. You again take the left fork in the road by interjecting RACE into the conversation where it most definitely doesn't belong then showed your REAL ignorance by asserting that Trump is somehow pandering only to "the white caucasian American". All fine work if you are indeed a troll. Your performance on this thread has been divisive, undermining and intellectually ankle-deep. Like I said... light on the humor, light on the substance and hilariously incorrect in your assertion that I was "schooled" by ANYONE - much less you my snarky little friend!

Why don't you start a thread about something we all care about (this one was supposed to be about jobs and the economy). I'm sure no one will attempt to hijack it, confront you from every angle imaginable and insult you for your reasoning and resolve. Brace yourself... just in case I'm wrong about THAT! Lol!

 

Morning WHN, I hope you are thoroughly refreshed from your weekend off.

I went shopping for an RV this weekend, and am going to make an offer later today that will hopefully take me to many happy places.

 

I'll just chalk it down to cultural differences.

The Russian Mob carries a lot of power, and the benefits of force is respected, both because of the rampant corruption.

Everything, from small bakeries, to utility providers, car dealerships to government, is heavily influenced by payoffs, black market goods, and favors bartering.

Russia produced a Putin.

Besides producing an Obama, America also made a Reagan, a Martin Luther King, and is now in the process of redefining itself with a Trump, a Cruz, a Rubio, and a Clinton.

 

I think the better translation to the piece would be America need a very strong man.

Unfortunately, we have suffered at the hands of bullies for far too long, from the bush bullies forcing us into a middle east war, to a Clinton bullying America into a morality division, to an obama bully, forcing anti-Americanism down our throats.

Americans need to find their inner fortitude, and demand a leader who is strong enough to not cave into the special interest, the hysterical left wing or right wing political un-correctness or establishments.

 

So lets just put it down to semantics, they say bully, I say fearless.

[Shabibilicious]

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Good morning Dive! I took most of the weekend off to luxuriate in my Happy Place! Not sure what ruby you're talking about, but if it was on this post... maybe it's your presumptuous critique of Mr. Atbashian's "piece". He's not just some poster on some satirical website. I'm sure he'd get a kick out of your edit though! If you're interested... this is classic Oleg (he's NOT a public speaker)... but his experience and perspective is uniquely brilliant. I think you'll like him...

  

HA! GM Shabs. Let's review... You tried to misdirect the subject of the OP. You presented your OPINION as FACT in your usual grandiose yet unimpressive way. You made ridiculous predictions that Hildabeast would garner favoritism from voters if Trump dared go after her with the same harsh treatment he's shown to his fellow candidates. Lol. You implied Trump was too stupid to develop detailed policies... and his supporters aren't "humble" enough to admit this false narrative. Then, before even taking a cleansing breath, compared the intellectually apathetic low-info Clinton supporters to the highly engaged and completely fed up Trump supporters (which was laughable at its inception and you should have known better). You tried to redefine my words and pigeonhole Trumps strength as "suing his way through life" (like that's all he has going for him) followed closely by a sexist remark about Mrs. Trump. You took the lazy low road to inform me that I've been "owned" if I think (believe) he's on the "up and up" as though you or anyone has one shred of proof to the contrary. Then this gem... "Funny or not, he sure reeks of moderate liberalism (planned parenthood, Palestine, gun registry, to name a few). He is what we hate about politics......He's the big money that has bought and paid for politicians over and over again..." which caused me to LmyAO (who are you and what have you done with Shabs?!) and prompted a few a Google searches that resulted in YOU being OWNED by both George and myself. Moving along, you took Jax out of context by paraphrasing my words, tried to stir some shlt as a diversion and again, lazily 'shrugged' off his suggestion that you dig a little deeper to help you comprehend objective logic. You insinuate yourself into conversations not directed toward you to try to minimize my broader point. You again take the left fork in the road by interjecting RACE into the conversation where it most definitely doesn't belong then showed your REAL ignorance by asserting that Trump is somehow pandering only to "the white caucasian American". All fine work if you are indeed a troll. Your performance on this thread has been divisive, undermining and intellectually ankle-deep. Like I said... light on the humor, light on the substance and hilariously incorrect in your assertion that I was "schooled" by ANYONE - much less you my snarky little friend!

Why don't you start a thread about something we all care about (this one was supposed to be about jobs and the economy). I'm sure no one will attempt to hijack it, confront you from every angle imaginable and insult you for your reasoning and resolve. Brace yourself... just in case I'm wrong about THAT! Lol!

 

You're basically telling me I "Trumped" my way through this thread.....no substance, no facts, complete arrogance, lack of respect, and misdirection?  And when I felt boxed into a corner, my only recourse was "Knibb High Football Rules!".......or as Donald would say, "Make America Great Again".....and the crowd goes wild.     

 

GO RV, then BV 

[Shabibilicious]

Some gallows humor is never funny. Especially when there is nothing to be gained.

 

Ya know what that second comment reminds me of?

Both my kids hurt themselves trying to be like daddy.

Each was around five years old, and each stuck a metal object in a live plug after watching me do a room addition or shop expansion.

They had no idea what they were doing, were oblivious of the forces they were playing with, didn't even know what the word technique even meant, had no actual purpose to do what they were doing other than to get attention, and never even had a clear idea of the desired outcome or even intended to do anything constructive.

As a result, they each got knocked on their asses.

 

The only difference is the five year olds actually learned their lesson, quit doing stuff they just did not understand, and decided to listen to the adults that knew what they were talking about.

 

Ouch..

 

Parenting is not easy.  Takes lots of patience, some tough love....and lots of paying attention.  

 

GO RV, then BV