caddieman Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives News brief December 13, 2022 Stephanie Soucheray, MA Topics COVID-19 SHARE A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion. The modeling study estimated hospitalizations and deaths averted through the end of November 2022, at a time when 80% of the US population had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine. Approved COVID-19 vaccines have been available in the United States since December of 2020. Since Dec 12, 2020, 82 million infections, 4.8 million hospitalizations, and 798,000 deaths have been reported in the United States. "Without vaccination the U.S. would have experienced 1.5 times more infections, 3.8 times more hospitalizations, and 4.1 times more deaths," the authors wrote. "These losses would have been accompanied by more than $1 trillion in additional medical costs that were averted because of fewer infections, hospitalizations, and deaths." Without vaccination the U.S. would have experienced 1.5 times more infections, 3.8 times more hospitalizations, and 4.1 times more deaths. The model used in the study took into account the transition patterns seen with five variants, each with cumulative prevalence of at least 3% in the United States, including Iota, Alpha, Gamma, Delta, and Omicron, in addition to the original Wuhan-I SARS-CoV-2 strain. The model also used aged demographics to account for disease severity. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nstoolman1 Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 COVID LIES EXPOSED! EVIDENCE PROVES SURVIVORS OF EU PFIZER JAB TOOK PLACEBOS https://www.bitchute.com/video/DuLCW67VebM7/ Another source for the same info: https://www.bitchute.com/video/DuLCW67VebM7/ 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Caddieman you been brainwash to the max...Just had a friend pass away 2 Monday ago. His wife called the police and the undertaker show up at the house to take him to the morgue. The undertaker stated you need to make a decision asap what you going to do because all the morgue are full. 1 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8th ID Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Story caddieman I know too many people that have died from “heart conditions” or have developed cancer or have had cancer come back quickly with a vengeance once in remission. All after getting the vaccine. It is not all coincidence either. Those that never took the vaccine haven’t had all the issues as the ones that did. 1 1 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddieman Posted July 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 Estimating Lives Saved by COVID Vaccines States vary widely in the COVID-19 vaccination rates of their populations, from 48 percent in Alabama to 77 percent in Vermont between November 2021 and February 2022. In Vaccination Rates and COVID Outcomes across US States (NBER Working Paper 29884), Robert J. Barro estimates the effectiveness of vaccines in reducing negative COVID outcomes from this state-level variation. He leverages Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data on vaccination rates, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths over the course of the pandemic. Barro focuses on four periods of roughly three months each. Rates of full vaccination rose over the periods, but at a declining rate. During the first period, March to May 2021, vaccination rates averaged 24 percent. In the three subsequent periods, roughly June to August 2021, September to November 2021, and November 2021 to February 2022, vaccination rates averaged 45, 55, and 61 percent, respectively. The annualized change in the number of COVID cases per capita increased over time, even though vaccination rates also rose. The mean changes in cases per person were 0.05, 0.08, 0.13, and 0.39 during the four periods. The fourth period coincided with the spread of the Omicron variant. The mean annualized change in per capita deaths due to COVID was 0.0007 in the first period, followed by 0.0006, 0.0017, and 0.0021. In late 2021, on average one COVID death was avoided for every 124 full vaccination courses that were delivered, implying a cost per life saved of about $55,000. The research finds that vaccinations were very effective in saving lives. The effect was strongest in the September to November period of 2021, when a 14.2 percent rise in the vaccination rate is estimated to have lowered the death rate by 40.6 percent. It took an average of 124 full vaccinations (248 shots) to save one life at this time. At a full cost for two doses of $222, that implies that the cost of saving one life was around $55,000. The estimated effect of vaccinations on death rates was smaller in magnitude in the other periods. For example, between December 2021 and February 2022, the estimates imply that it took 455 full vaccinations to save one life, and the estimated cost per life saved was $200,000. This is still far below most estimates of the value of a statistical life, which are often several million dollars for the United States. Barro offers three possible explanations for why the effects of vaccinations on COVID-related deaths, hospitalizations, and cases seem to have weakened over time, particularly in the December 2021 to February 2022 period. First, the efficacy of vaccinations wanes over time, although the analysis tried to hold constant this effect. Second, existing vaccines were likely less effective against new forms of the virus, notably the Omicron variant. And third, the confidence engendered by vaccinations may have led individuals and state governments to relax nonpharmaceutical interventions such as masking and social distancing that were designed to prevent virus spread. The impact of such relaxations may have been reinforced by so-called COVID fatigue, a general decline in self-protective actions taken by many members of the community. https://www.nber.org/digest/202205/estimating-lives-saved-covid-vaccines 1 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffy2005 Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 3:52 AM, caddieman said: Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives News brief December 13, 2022 Stephanie Soucheray, MA Topics COVID-19 SHARE A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion. The modeling study estimated hospitalizations and deaths averted through the end of November 2022, at a time when 80% of the US population had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine. Approved COVID-19 vaccines have been available in the United States since December of 2020. Since Dec 12, 2020, 82 million infections, 4.8 million hospitalizations, and 798,000 deaths have been reported in the United States. "Without vaccination the U.S. would have experienced 1.5 times more infections, 3.8 times more hospitalizations, and 4.1 times more deaths," the authors wrote. "These losses would have been accompanied by more than $1 trillion in additional medical costs that were averted because of fewer infections, hospitalizations, and deaths." Without vaccination the U.S. would have experienced 1.5 times more infections, 3.8 times more hospitalizations, and 4.1 times more deaths. The model used in the study took into account the transition patterns seen with five variants, each with cumulative prevalence of at least 3% in the United States, including Iota, Alpha, Gamma, Delta, and Omicron, in addition to the original Wuhan-I SARS-CoV-2 strain. The model also used aged demographics to account for disease severity. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives caddieman, why are vaccinated people suddenly dropping dead like flies? 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jg1 Posted August 3, 2023 Report Share Posted August 3, 2023 They created COVID-19 to kill people, and then they created the vaccine to kill people. It was a lose lose situation. 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 Another Darn you tube video....Real News exposing ABC Journalist Senior ABC journalist caught on hot mic making ‘astonishing’ COVID admission 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nstoolman1 Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 On 8/3/2023 at 5:20 AM, jg1 said: They created COVID-19 to kill people, and then they created the vaccine to kill people. It was a lose lose situation. Lot of people made lots of money also. So, it was a lose, lose, win for some. Cold and ruthless. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregp Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 3:39 PM, caddieman said: Estimating Lives Saved by COVID Vaccines States vary widely in the COVID-19 vaccination rates of their populations, from 48 percent in Alabama to 77 percent in Vermont between November 2021 and February 2022. In Vaccination Rates and COVID Outcomes across US States (NBER Working Paper 29884), Robert J. Barro estimates the effectiveness of vaccines in reducing negative COVID outcomes from this state-level variation. He leverages Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data on vaccination rates, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths over the course of the pandemic. Barro focuses on four periods of roughly three months each. Rates of full vaccination rose over the periods, but at a declining rate. During the first period, March to May 2021, vaccination rates averaged 24 percent. In the three subsequent periods, roughly June to August 2021, September to November 2021, and November 2021 to February 2022, vaccination rates averaged 45, 55, and 61 percent, respectively. The annualized change in the number of COVID cases per capita increased over time, even though vaccination rates also rose. The mean changes in cases per person were 0.05, 0.08, 0.13, and 0.39 during the four periods. The fourth period coincided with the spread of the Omicron variant. The mean annualized change in per capita deaths due to COVID was 0.0007 in the first period, followed by 0.0006, 0.0017, and 0.0021. In late 2021, on average one COVID death was avoided for every 124 full vaccination courses that were delivered, implying a cost per life saved of about $55,000. The research finds that vaccinations were very effective in saving lives. The effect was strongest in the September to November period of 2021, when a 14.2 percent rise in the vaccination rate is estimated to have lowered the death rate by 40.6 percent. It took an average of 124 full vaccinations (248 shots) to save one life at this time. At a full cost for two doses of $222, that implies that the cost of saving one life was around $55,000. The estimated effect of vaccinations on death rates was smaller in magnitude in the other periods. For example, between December 2021 and February 2022, the estimates imply that it took 455 full vaccinations to save one life, and the estimated cost per life saved was $200,000. This is still far below most estimates of the value of a statistical life, which are often several million dollars for the United States. Barro offers three possible explanations for why the effects of vaccinations on COVID-related deaths, hospitalizations, and cases seem to have weakened over time, particularly in the December 2021 to February 2022 period. First, the efficacy of vaccinations wanes over time, although the analysis tried to hold constant this effect. Second, existing vaccines were likely less effective against new forms of the virus, notably the Omicron variant. And third, the confidence engendered by vaccinations may have led individuals and state governments to relax nonpharmaceutical interventions such as masking and social distancing that were designed to prevent virus spread. The impact of such relaxations may have been reinforced by so-called COVID fatigue, a general decline in self-protective actions taken by many members of the community. https://www.nber.org/digest/202205/estimating-lives-saved-covid-vaccines I found my dad laying face down dead in his home. Later digging through his stuff, I found out the VA had talked him into taking the phizer shot. He had just had his first booster. Dead. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregp Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 3:39 PM, caddieman said: Estimating Lives Saved by COVID Vaccines States vary widely in the COVID-19 vaccination rates of their populations, from 48 percent in Alabama to 77 percent in Vermont between November 2021 and February 2022. In Vaccination Rates and COVID Outcomes across US States (NBER Working Paper 29884), Robert J. Barro estimates the effectiveness of vaccines in reducing negative COVID outcomes from this state-level variation. He leverages Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data on vaccination rates, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths over the course of the pandemic. Barro focuses on four periods of roughly three months each. Rates of full vaccination rose over the periods, but at a declining rate. During the first period, March to May 2021, vaccination rates averaged 24 percent. In the three subsequent periods, roughly June to August 2021, September to November 2021, and November 2021 to February 2022, vaccination rates averaged 45, 55, and 61 percent, respectively. The annualized change in the number of COVID cases per capita increased over time, even though vaccination rates also rose. The mean changes in cases per person were 0.05, 0.08, 0.13, and 0.39 during the four periods. The fourth period coincided with the spread of the Omicron variant. The mean annualized change in per capita deaths due to COVID was 0.0007 in the first period, followed by 0.0006, 0.0017, and 0.0021. In late 2021, on average one COVID death was avoided for every 124 full vaccination courses that were delivered, implying a cost per life saved of about $55,000. The research finds that vaccinations were very effective in saving lives. The effect was strongest in the September to November period of 2021, when a 14.2 percent rise in the vaccination rate is estimated to have lowered the death rate by 40.6 percent. It took an average of 124 full vaccinations (248 shots) to save one life at this time. At a full cost for two doses of $222, that implies that the cost of saving one life was around $55,000. The estimated effect of vaccinations on death rates was smaller in magnitude in the other periods. For example, between December 2021 and February 2022, the estimates imply that it took 455 full vaccinations to save one life, and the estimated cost per life saved was $200,000. This is still far below most estimates of the value of a statistical life, which are often several million dollars for the United States. Barro offers three possible explanations for why the effects of vaccinations on COVID-related deaths, hospitalizations, and cases seem to have weakened over time, particularly in the December 2021 to February 2022 period. First, the efficacy of vaccinations wanes over time, although the analysis tried to hold constant this effect. Second, existing vaccines were likely less effective against new forms of the virus, notably the Omicron variant. And third, the confidence engendered by vaccinations may have led individuals and state governments to relax nonpharmaceutical interventions such as masking and social distancing that were designed to prevent virus spread. The impact of such relaxations may have been reinforced by so-called COVID fatigue, a general decline in self-protective actions taken by many members of the community. https://www.nber.org/digest/202205/estimating-lives-saved-covid-vaccines Yes I negged you. What a thorn. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddieman Posted August 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Clear evidence that COVID-19 vaccines and boosters are saving lives Our latest report on COVID-19 outcomes by vaccination status offers even more evidence that vaccines are saving lives. In November, those who weren’t vaccinated were 31.1 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than the fully vaccinated. They also were 4.9 times more likely to test positive for COVID-19. This is a big change from October, when the unvaccinated were 15.2 times more likely to die from COVID-19 and 3.9 times more likely to get the disease, as shown by our This shift has to do with a change in methodology to better capture fully vaccinated individuals and may also be impacted by booster uptake. In the latest twice-monthly report posted atop our COVID-19 Data Dashboard, you’ll see bigger gaps on the cases graphs for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals – both overall and by age groups. It’s difficult to see the difference in deaths overall and by age group because it’s so rare for fully vaccinated individuals to die from COVID-19. If you remain undecided about getting the vaccine, the data makes a strong case for getting a lifesaving shot that can spare you from severe illness, long-haul COVID, and more. It’s free, safe, widely available, and, as the evidence clearly shows, highly effective. If you are vaccinated, please use this report as a reason to get a booster dose as soon as you are eligible – that’s at least six months after your second Moderna dose, five months after your second Pfizer dose (per a recent update to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance), and two months after the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen shot. There simply is no arguing with the data: COVID-19 vaccines and boosters save lives. Please visit azhealth.gov/FindVaccine to find a provider today. https://directorsblog.health.azdhs.gov/clear-evidence-that-covid-19-vaccines-and-boosters-are-saving-lives/ 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinsa Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 @caddieman Have you taken the covid vaccine and all of the boosters? . 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Australia drops a BOMBSHELL on Pfizer and they're PI*SED! | Redacted with Natali and Clayton Morris Redacted 175,275 views Aug 8, 2023 #redacted #claytonmorris #natalimorris Pfizer was pushed on vaccine safety in Senate hearings recently and they admitted that they had no idea why the vaccine can cause myocarditis. When Moderna was pushed about vaccine safety, they also admitted that they don't have any plan to help pay for vaccine injury. Meanwhile, the Biden administration was asked why it suggested Covid boosters every two months and they could not produce a single document of evidence. Follow the science, eh? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, or myocardium. This inflammation weakens your heart muscle, making it harder for your heart to pump. This can be caused by viral infections or inflammatory conditions. Nov 7, 2022 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md11fr8dawg Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 3:39 PM, caddieman said: Estimating AKA, fudging!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddieman Posted August 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 6 hours ago, Markinsa said: @caddieman Have you taken the covid vaccine and all of the boosters? . Yep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddieman Posted August 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Myocarditis seven times more likely with COVID-19 than vaccines RESEARCH Myocarditis seven times more likely with COVID-19 than vaccines A Penn State team conducted the largest study to date on the risk of developing myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, as a result of having the coronavirus versus experiencing inflammation following COVID-19 vaccination. Credit: Getty Images | Kanizphoto. All Rights Reserved. EXPAND OCTOBER 12, 2022 By Tracy Cox HERSHEY, Pa. — The risk of developing myocarditis — or inflammation of the heart muscle — is seven times higher with a COVID-19 infection than with the COVID-19 vaccine, according to a recent study by Penn State College of Medicine scientists. Patients with myocarditis can experience chest pains, shortness of breath or an irregular heartbeat. In severe cases, the inflammation can lead to heart failure and death. “Our findings show that the risk of myocarditis from being infected by COVID-19 is far greater than from getting the vaccine,” said Dr. Navya Voleti, a resident physician in the Department of Medicine at Penn State Health Milton S. Hershey Medical Center. “Moving forward, it will be important to monitor the potential long-term effects in those who develop myocarditis.” Myocarditis is one of the complications of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Although vaccines have been shown to reduce severe COVID-19 symptoms, heart complications have been associated with mRNA COVID-19 vaccination — particularly myocarditis in teenage boys. However, the relative risk of myocarditis due to vaccines and infections had not been well characterized in large studies. The Penn State team conducted the largest study to date on the risk of developing myocarditis as a result of having the coronavirus vs. experiencing inflammation following COVID-19 vaccination. The researchers compared patients with COVID-19 — vaccinated and unvaccinated — to those without the virus. They found the risk of myocarditis was 15 times higher in COVID-19 patients, regardless of vaccination status, compared to individuals who did not contract the virus. Next, the researchers separately compared the rates of myocarditis in those who received the vaccines to those in unvaccinated individuals. According to the findings, the rates of myocarditis in people who were vaccinated against COVID-19 were only twofold higher than in unvaccinated people. Based on all the findings, the researchers concluded that the risk of myocarditis due to COVID-19 was seven times higher than the risk related to the vaccines. Investigators conducted a systematic review and meta-analysis of 22 studies published worldwide from December 2019 through May 2022. The studies included nearly 58 million patients who reported cardiac complications and belonged to one of two groups: the 55.5 million who were vaccinated against COVID-19 compared to those who were not vaccinated (vaccination group), and the 2.5 million who contracted the virus compared to those who did not contract the virus (COVID-19 group). In the vaccination group, the researchers separately compared the risk of myocarditis for various COVID-19 vaccines, including mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna), Novavax, AstraZeneca, and Johnson and Johnson. The median age of the study population was 49 years; 49% were men; and the median follow-up time after infection or COVID-19 vaccination was 28 days. The researchers found that among those diagnosed with myocarditis after receiving the vaccine or having COVID-19, the majority (61%) were men. Of patients diagnosed with myocarditis in both vaccination and COVID-19 groups, 1.07% were hospitalized and 0.015% died. “COVID-19 infection and the related vaccines both pose a risk for myocarditis. However, the relative risk of heart inflammation induced by COVID-19 infection is substantially greater than the risk posed by the vaccines,” said Dr. Paddy Ssentongo, a resident physician in the Department of Medicine at Penn State Health Milton S. Hershey Medical Center and the lead author of the study. “We hope our findings will help mitigate vaccine hesitancy and increase vaccine uptake.” Surya Reddy from Osmania Medical College also contributed to this research. The researchers declare no conflicts of interest or specific funding for this research. Read the full study in Frontiers. https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/myocarditis-seven-times-more-likely-covid-19-vaccines/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md11fr8dawg Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 So let me get my head around the you posted. The shots were going to be MANDATORY to protect us all from EVER getting covid and it was going to eradicate covid. All big intentional LIES. Couldn't get covid, couldn't spread covid, unvaxed were killing people. So if I caught covid which I did and was done in 3 days thanks to imervectin, then I run the risk of having myocarditis, and then if I get the shot and catch covid I double my pleasure??? In other words 2 for the price of one. You know Caddie, the more you post the more I think that shot (which I am CERTAIN you have had and boosted to the max) not only affects your heart!!! 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synopsis Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 15 hours ago, caddieman said: RESEARCH Myocarditis seven times more likely with COVID-19 than vaccines So, the article CLAIMS to be RESEARCH. In REALITY, the article is PROPAGANDA. @caddieman, do YOU NOT REALLY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE???!!! I have had COVID TWICE. Shouldn't I be dead by now???!!! Of myocarditis???!!! After all, my first COVID infection was the first weekend in January of 2020. I didn't realize I had COVID then. I wanted to get it so natural immunity would kick in. When I realized I had been infected in early January 2020, I had great relief. I am safe now. I proved what I already knew. I WAS NOT GONNA DIE FROM COVID. Glad I was infected TWICE with COVID WITHOUT BEING STUPID LIKE GETTING WHACKCINATED WITH THE COVID WHACKCINATION!!! I have NOT been reinfected with COVID since March of 2021. Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to be infected this August COVID season to build stronger COVID immunity. Hope so. We'll see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 Help for mRNA vaccinated - how to deal with IgG4 antibodies (update 101) Merogenomics 58,171 views Premiered Jul 20, 2023 COVID Updates If you have been vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, you might consider looking at your IgG4 antibody levels to see if they remain in expected normal levels or outside the normal bounds. This video discusses what we know how individuals with abnormal IgG4 antibody levels are treated and whether natural options are available to us. 4th episode in the series of the unusual IgG4 antibodies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nstoolman1 Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 I always consider the source of the studies. Who has a dog in the fight? Who benefits from the outcome of the study? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synopsis Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 9 hours ago, yota691 said: Help for mRNA vaccinated - how to deal with IgG4 antibodies (update 101) Merogenomics 58,171 views Premiered Jul 20, 2023 COVID Updates If you have been vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, you might consider looking at your IgG4 antibody levels to see if they remain in expected normal levels or outside the normal bounds. This video discusses what we know how individuals with abnormal IgG4 antibody levels are treated and whether natural options are available to us. 4th episode in the series of the unusual IgG4 antibodies. I appreciate what the presenter noted. What surprised me is the mechanisms he mentioned are typical to seasonal contagions. If I have had the flu, whatever strain, then when I am infected with another mutation or strain, my body will send the previously constructed antibodies. When that doesn't work, my body manufactures the antibodies that will combat the specific strain of whatever contagion. The antibody response to a contagion varies somewhat for everybody while generally the body adjusts and responds in developing effective natural antibodies. An interesting personal experience for me is that I received the flu vaccination for about six years in a row some time ago and got the flu nominally one half the time while vaccinated. I decided to stop the flu vaccinations since I felt about as bad or worse from the flu vaccination as the flu itself and I had a 50/50 chance of getting it anyway. So, I stopped the flu vaccination about 10 years ago and I might have had the flu once in that period. All this to say the body immune system is highly complex and has broad ranging capabilities for developing antibodies for seasonal contagions. So, vaccination for seasonal contagions is normally and for the most part not needed or productive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nstoolman1 Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 I tend not to believe anyone who says that Covid-19 antibodies don't last. I got CV-19 0n 12-25-20 and still had antibodies as of 12-22. Per Red Cross donation testing. Have I been exposed to the various strains? Did my antibodies fight off these strains without my knowledge? Don't know, don't care. Not getting the vaccine for it. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nstoolman1 Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Conspiracy theory? Hmmm. Were we told this was not happening? We were told it was all a lie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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