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Republican Announces Resolution To End Impeachment, Shutdown Pelosi's Obstruction Strategy

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2 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

As far as Trump looking bad, he's proven himself capable of handling that on his own.

 

 Not according to the polls which are probably skewed more left than right.  

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19 hours ago, coorslite21 said:

 

Not sure any of us should really need a "constitutional scholar " to define this for us....

 

The Constitution limits 

grounds of impeachment to "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors". 

 

of these 4 offenses.....looking at the 2 articles Pelosi settled on.......which of these 4 ......do the 2 Articles fall under?       CL 

 

"other High Crimes and Misdemeanors" seems likely.  But again, I'm no constitutional scholar.

 

GO RV, then BV

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18 hours ago, Pitcher said:

 

 Not according to the polls which are probably skewed more left than right.  

 

So polls are back in play again?  I really wish people would make up their minds.  ;)

 

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So today Impeachment articles may be delivered to the Senate....in the Senate there is suppose to be a trial with 100 impartial jurors.....

 

That fact alone should disqualify the entire process as members from both party's have already announced how they will vote.......and 5 of the members running against Trump in 2020 could even be impeached themselves if the vote to kick him out of office.....after all.....that would mean they would be trying to gain an advantage over a political opponent......isn't that Trumps crime?

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27 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

So today Impeachment articles may be delivered to the Senate....in the Senate there is suppose to be a trial with 100 impartial jurors.....

 

That fact alone should disqualify the entire process as members from both party's have already announced how they will vote.......and 5 of the members running against Trump in 2020 could even be impeached themselves if the vote to kick him out of office.....after all.....that would mean they would be trying to gain an advantage over a political opponent......isn't that Trumps crime?

CL

 

That's a great argument.  Trump's attorneys should use that.....Admit that Trump used his office for personal political gain against his rival and say the senators running for POTUS who vote for his removal are doing the same thing.  I would love to see them do that.

 

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5 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

That's a great argument.  Trump's attorneys should use that.....Admit that Trump used his office for personal political gain against his rival and say the senators running for POTUS who vote for his removal are doing the same thing.  I would love to see them do that.

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Guess you can't take a serious point.....the impeachment process is very flawed.....hopefully after this one is done they can fix it.....just let the Judicial branch handle it...

 

Great care is taken in the courts to be sure impartial jury's are seated........not so in this case.......or Clintons.....system is flawed....

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Just now, coorslite21 said:

just let the Judicial branch handle it..

 

I agree... The SCOTUS will go by constitutional law like they have in the two previous impeachments... No presidential immunity. Witnesses. Arguments by both sides and a final decision from the Judges.... Trump is impeached, that won't change. In 100 years he will be listed as one of the impeached presidents along with Clinton and Jackson. Trump won't be removed, like the previous two. He will remain in office and finish his final few months. JMHO

 

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8 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

I agree... The SCOTUS will go by constitutional law like they have in the two previous impeachments... No presidential immunity. Witnesses. Arguments by both sides and a final decision from the Judges.... Trump is impeached, that won't change. In 100 years he will be listed as one of the impeached presidents along with Clinton and Jackson. Trump won't be removed, like the previous two. He will remain in office and finish his final few months. JMHO

 

B/A

 

...and be re-elected in 2020, and serve 4 more years!

 

Indy

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53 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

 

Guess you can't take a serious point.....the impeachment process is very flawed.....hopefully after this one is done they can fix it.....just let the Judicial branch handle it...

 

Great care is taken in the courts to be sure impartial jury's are seated........not so in this case.......or Clintons.....system is flawed....

CL

 

And yet POTUSes and then their Senate Majority Leaders take great care to block judicial candidates or push through their ideologically preferred judicial candidates to the SCOTUS, reasoning their rendered judgments will reflect their own ideology, rather than rule of law.  If impartiality was really the goal then any qualifying judge with a record of impartiality could sit on highest bench in the land.  There's been people on this very site who're basically having a death watch for RBG because of her leanings.  So, yeah, I can take a serious point.  As always, just my opinion.

 

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51 minutes ago, Indraman said:

 

...and be re-elected in 2020, and serve 4 more years!

 

Indy

 

Perhaps.....heck, he might end up being the only pOTUS to get impeached more than once.  B)

 

GO RV, then BV

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Impeachment trial senators swear an oath aimed at guarding 'against malice, falsehood, and evasion'

The 100 United States senators who are jurors in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump have taken a special oath in order to take part in that proceeding. As they enter the active phase of the trial on Tuesday, this oath is supposed to govern their behavior.

It’s not the first oath that the lawmakers have taken in their Senate careers.

Members of Congress, as well as federal judicial officers and members of state legislatures, must swear to “support the Constitution.” But the Constitution does not specify the form of the oath. So the very first Congress crafted an oath of office and – with minor modifications – that is the oath each member of Congress swears when he or she takes her seat in the House or the Senate.

There is a second oath that members of the Senate must take when conducting an impeachment trial. The specific text for this oath was developed in 1868 for the impeachment trial of President Andrew Johnson. The rules for impeachment were revised by the Senate in 1986 for the trial of President Clinton.

The words of the oath and the requirement of a signature remain substantially the same: “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of (the president’s name), President of the United States, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: so help me God.”

Senate rules also require that each senator taking the oath memorialize that action by signing an official register.

‘Require some guaranty’

Justice Joseph Story, in his Commentaries on the Constitution, written between 1848 and 1853, articulated the reason for the requirement of an oath in government:

“It results from the plain right of society to require some guaranty from every officer, that he will be conscientious in the discharge of his duty. Oaths have a solemn obligation upon the minds of all reflecting men, and especially upon those, who feel a deep sense of accountability to a Supreme being.” “[O]aths are required of those, who try, as well as of those who give testimony, to guard against malice, falsehood, and evasion, surely like guards ought to be interposed in the administration of high public trusts, and especially in such, as may concern the welfare and safety of the whole community.”

Certainly, a decision made by the Senate on removing a president from office counts as a “solemn obligation” that affects the welfare of the United States.

The requirement that each senator attest to the oath to do impartial justice by signing an official record is meant to emphasize the gravity of that obligation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/impeachment-trial-senators-swear-oath-133423209.html

 

 

This goes for all senators and any who show partisan thinking should be held in contempt, or held for treason.

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1 minute ago, bostonangler said:

Impeachment trial senators swear an oath aimed at guarding 'against malice, falsehood, and evasion'

The 100 United States senators who are jurors in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump have taken a special oath in order to take part in that proceeding. As they enter the active phase of the trial on Tuesday, this oath is supposed to govern their behavior.

It’s not the first oath that the lawmakers have taken in their Senate careers.

Members of Congress, as well as federal judicial officers and members of state legislatures, must swear to “support the Constitution.” But the Constitution does not specify the form of the oath. So the very first Congress crafted an oath of office and – with minor modifications – that is the oath each member of Congress swears when he or she takes her seat in the House or the Senate.

There is a second oath that members of the Senate must take when conducting an impeachment trial. The specific text for this oath was developed in 1868 for the impeachment trial of President Andrew Johnson. The rules for impeachment were revised by the Senate in 1986 for the trial of President Clinton.

The words of the oath and the requirement of a signature remain substantially the same: “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of (the president’s name), President of the United States, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: so help me God.”

Senate rules also require that each senator taking the oath memorialize that action by signing an official register.

‘Require some guaranty’

Justice Joseph Story, in his Commentaries on the Constitution, written between 1848 and 1853, articulated the reason for the requirement of an oath in government:

“It results from the plain right of society to require some guaranty from every officer, that he will be conscientious in the discharge of his duty. Oaths have a solemn obligation upon the minds of all reflecting men, and especially upon those, who feel a deep sense of accountability to a Supreme being.” “[O]aths are required of those, who try, as well as of those who give testimony, to guard against malice, falsehood, and evasion, surely like guards ought to be interposed in the administration of high public trusts, and especially in such, as may concern the welfare and safety of the whole community.”

Certainly, a decision made by the Senate on removing a president from office counts as a “solemn obligation” that affects the welfare of the United States.

The requirement that each senator attest to the oath to do impartial justice by signing an official record is meant to emphasize the gravity of that obligation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/impeachment-trial-senators-swear-oath-133423209.html

 

 

This goes for all senators and any who show partisan thinking should be held in contempt, or held for treason.

B/A

 

Just further outlines what a sham the impeachment process can be in a purely partisan climate.

Sad part is the Dam is now open.......you can bet given the current climate there will be many more of these ahead.

CL

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2 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

 

Just further outlines what a sham the impeachment process can be in a purely partisan climate.

Sad part is the Dam is now open.......you can bet given the current climate there will be many more of these ahead.

CL

 

Well, the silver lining maybe that some of them learn they are not above the law and will be held accountable. My biggest hope and concern is that Justice Roberts doesn't get political and holds everyone to the constitutional law as written and not based on partisan interpretation.

 

There is no question that in this case Trump broke laws. Too many constitutional experts have agreed to that. Will he be removed. I seriously doubt it. The other two impeached were not. But perhaps this will show all of those in D.C. that they are not untouchable. 

 

B/A

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14 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

Well, the silver lining maybe that some of them learn they are not above the law and will be held accountable. My biggest hope and concern is that Justice Roberts doesn't get political and holds everyone to the constitutional law as written and not based on partisan interpretation.

 

There is no question that in this case Trump broke laws. Too many constitutional experts have agreed to that. Will he be removed. I seriously doubt it. The other two impeached were not. But perhaps this will show all of those in D.C. that they are not untouchable. 

 

B/A

 

Do remember......Impeachment is not a Judicual function......far from it.....

 

Also.......there are 2 articles that will be looked at.......neither one of them establishes any crime.  The Congress did a chitty poor job in all of this.

 

And of course they know it....so they attempt a Parnas move after the fact.......just as they did with Blassy Ford in the Kavanaugh fiasco.......oh and how is that other disruptor Avanati doing these days....

 

There is nothing impeachable in these 2 articles......Congress should have taken the time to subpoena witnesses and try to build a real/better case.......

 

Perhaps they know they have no chance of defeating Trump.....that might be a reason for the rush and timing........perhaps the old guard.....(Pelosi, Biden....etc.) are afraid they are losing the party to the up and coming socialist movement......and Pelosi's delay was to keep Sanders and Warren off the campaign trail for the next 6 weeks......(Clinton ran 37 days).......that runs into Super Tuesday territory........and since 1984........every front runner of both party's.....at that point.... became the party's nominee....

 

Lots to consider in how this is all playing out.......

 

Hey.......one more hot one for you......Trump is thrown out by the Senate......New STELLAR witness Parnas claims Pence was in on everything........Pence is gone........Ms. Pelosi is the new Madam President.....

How's that for a pipe dream?

Bet it sent shivers up your spine.......     CL

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47 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

Bet it sent shivers up your spine.

 

11 minutes ago, md11fr8dawg said:

 

Pelosi, Madam President?? That will make your keister pucker!!

 

Ahhh...yes to both!!!🤢🤮

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47 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

Hey.......one more hot one for you......Trump is thrown out by the Senate......New STELLAR witness Parnas claims Pence was in on everything........Pence is gone........Ms. Pelosi is the new Madam President.....

 

Of course you know why Parnas' phone records were just released? His phone was in procession of the government and just turned back to him. 

Again, neither previous impeachments have led to removal, so I don't think you have to worry about that...

 

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You have to remember one main thing in this entire Impeachment case.  President Trump has had little to no Due Process.  We have heard all the accusations, assumptions, and lies from the Dems and Trump haters.  Let’s sit back and see what happens next week.

 

You can’t Impeach a President because you don’t like him.  You can’t Impeach a President on accusations and assumptions.  The Dems are running this Impeachment case using the same strategy as they did with Kavanaugh.  They know they have no real case, they are covering for Joe, HRC, Soros, Obama and probably other Dems and Reps.   

 

Personally, I just want the truth and whoever is guilty can suffer the consequences.  

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CL, I wrote my last post and got distracted.  I finished my post and submitted it without reading your post.  I think you did a better job of putting into words what I was thinking.  Thank you for your intellectual brilliance and all your level headed posts.  

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12 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

Of course you know why Parnas' phone records were just released? His phone was in procession of the government and just turned back to him. 

 

 

This guy has has very little credibility.  Isn’t he a convicted felon.  Sorry BA, it’s not passing the smell test.  

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1 minute ago, Pitcher said:

 

 

This guy has has very little credibility.  Isn’t he a convicted felon.  Sorry BA, it’s not passing the smell test.  

 

I agree he is a criminal, and yet he worked Trump's dad... He is Rudy's guy. The whole thing stinks... If he was so bad why was he involved to start with? Because this administration and it's cronies act like mobsters...Being from Texas, you may not be aware of the New York gangster mentality. I'm from the northeast and grew up with these people. They think differently than the rest of us. JMHO

 

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46 minutes ago, Pitcher said:

 President Trump has had little to no Due Process

 

I disagree... For weeks upon weeks the Congress asked him to let his people prove his innocence. Trump didn't accept the fact this was real. He simply called it fake, a witch hunt, he acted like he didn't really take it seriously. If he had allowed his people to testify and debunk the accusations we wouldn't be having this conversation... He chose to sit it out, and belittle career military personnel, career national security personnel, and career foreign office officials. People who had dedicated their lives to serving our country were called names and accused of being part of a coup, when all he had to do was allow his people to speak... Bad choices lead to bad endings. We've all made them and we've all paid for them... Next week is another chance for Due Process... It should be interesting to say the least.

 

B/A 

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1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

 

I disagree... For weeks upon weeks the Congress asked him to let his people prove his innocence. Trump didn't accept the fact this was real. He simply called it fake, a witch hunt, he acted like he didn't really take it seriously. If he had allowed his people to testify and debunk the accusations we wouldn't be having this conversation... He chose to sit it out, and belittle career military personnel, career national security personnel, and career foreign office officials. People who had dedicated their lives to serving our country were called names and accused of being part of a coup, when all he had to do was allow his people to speak... Bad choices lead to bad endings. We've all made them and we've all paid for them... Next week is another chance for Due Process... It should be interesting to say the least.

 

B/A 

 

You don't get it. Trump does not have to prove he is innocent.

They have to prove he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 

They can't so they are grasping at straws and a thin bunch at that. 

As to the other part of your post, without proof it is all hear say. 

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Regarding 100 seated jury and called witnesses:  "voir dire"

Let's see how this plays out and the fallout because this goes beyond the House's allegations. 

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