After 4 years, Banished to the LOPster tank for my opinion.

[Nelg]

Death is a fact. Resurrection a 2000 year old story that there is no way to confirm. Until, at least, you are dead. And I don't put much faith in folks who say they talk to dead ancestors.

 

As for massive, overnight RV's, because one has never happened, they are as apocryphal as unicorns grazing in fields of flowers.

 

 

Take a look at my avatar.  Unicorns (creature with one horn) are not that difficult to find.  

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

Take a look at my avatar.  Unicorns (creature with one horn) are not that difficult to find.  

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... ...!  And there ya have it !  

[Nelg]

RVPleaseToday, I had a feeling that you know nothing about the resurrection of Jesus, nor the future resurrection of the dead at Christ's return.  Ignorance of facts has a tendency to cause someone to reject the facts.  Maybe that is the same concerning the IQD?  Or, at least not accepting the possibilities base on potential.  

 

Again, it is not the so much your rejection of the positive info, as it is about your insistence that one must take the view that no RV is possible!  And, unless one rejects the possibility of an rv, that person is either ignorant or is being led like sheep by gurus predicting the rv today (as per your DV name).  

Personally, I know that it could go either way and I want to prepare for both events.  To be unprepared would be foolish on my part.  I am more incline toward the possibility of an rv.  

[caz1104]

 

Been saying the exact same thing (not as eloquent I must admit) for years, sadly it falls on deaf one sided ears.

[rockfl9]

Again, it is not the so much your rejection of the positive info, as it is about your insistence that one must take the view that no RV is possible!  And, unless one rejects the possibility of an rv, that person is either ignorant or is being led like sheep by gurus predicting the rv today (as per your DV name).  

Personally, I know that it could go either way and I want to prepare for both events.  To be unprepared would be foolish on my part.  I am more incline toward the possibility of an rv.

You are right an RV is possible , but not one that will result in much of a profit,except for Iraqi's.

When they bring out new notes it would make the conversion neater if they bumped the rate to a clean .001.

That would be a record RV but won't cover trading costs.

[SocalDinar]

Well what ever happens Rock I do know this for fact. Reading and intrepreting news articles daily will not change the outcome. 

 

Amen-RA

[rockfl9]

Socal: U R right .. But waiting in darkness is scarry.. Want to know when IT'S time to go to the bank! read luigi and others .

[DWitte]

Nelg.  You are awesome.  I have always liked the way you think and the process you take.  Keep up with your last post here.  I think you have about seven now.  But I'm not really counting.  Just laughing.  I really like the point about the unicorn and the rhino.  I think we'll have to have a grandkids party and bring a rhino, dress it up and let the kids throw fairy dust and confetti all over it. Do imaginary/magic creatures have tails or do we need to pin one on ours? I know it will show up with one but we need to help it out with a "real" one.  Like from a horse.  I'm sure that would be a riot.  They can't see too well anyways so it's all good, right?  They'll have a 4000 lb uniceaurous (latin for unicorn) and I'll be in jail/prison.  I'm sure the judge will see it my way and let me go most immediately, don't you think?  Wanna come to the party or arraignment?  Your choice, or both.  You can explain where this idea got started and off the ground.

 

Thanks Nelg

[umbertino]

Might as well have fun with it then, hence the new profile pic.

Great new pic

Nelg, can I have your permission to use this in some of the political threads?        

 

GO RV, then BV

Awesome Shabs... I for one like that

In your face, Cazzy ol' boy......I gots permission.        

 

 

GO RV, then BV

Show'em, Shabs....

[SocalDinar]

Socal: U R right .. But waiting in darkness is scarry.. Want to know when IT'S time to go to the bank! read luigi and others .

Nothing scary about this bet Rock. Unless of course you bet the farm on this. If you did buy a boatload of dinar I can see how you might worry about the final outcome whatever it may be. No different than Vegas.   I think I'll pass on Luigi's threads. Never liked the taste of baloney.

[RVPleaseToday]

"Personally, I know that it could go either way and I want to prepare for both events.  To be unprepared would be foolish on my part.  I am more incline toward the possibility of an rv."

 

How do you "know" it can go either way? Based on what? Despite various "forum facts," the Iraqi's have never said they have any plans for a massive RV of their currency. The Iraqis are struggling economically, and yet they do nothing, except try to stiff each other out of constitutionally mandated funding.

 

Iraq's only hope is that  one region will stop trying to screw other regions out of a few billion dollars, and get along long enough to build a viable market economy. But that will never happen, because the GOI will never really give up control to the private sector.

 

If they were on the verge of making themselves trillionaires many times over, why are they dangerously close to splitting the country over a few billion in oil money? Considering what they have to gain from this massive RV you are anticipating, why are they engaged in petty squabbling over distribution of a little oil money?

[rockfl9]

Nothing scary about this bet Rock. Unless of course you bet the farm on this. If you did buy a boatload of dinar I can see how you might worry about the final outcome whatever it may be. No different than Vegas.   I think I'll pass on Luigi's threads. Never liked the taste of baloney.

SoCal::: Unfortunately a lot of people have "bet the farm on a dinar RV" . When the dinar crashes they have nothing to fall back on . Welfare and SSA at 62. My crazy dinarian neighbor will not buy a new battery (really needs it ) for his truck because he expects to become rich tomorrow and will buy a new one!!!!

[rockfl9]

"Personally, I know that it could go either way and I want to prepare for both events.  To be unprepared would be foolish on my part.  I am more incline toward the possibility of an rv."

RVPT :: HOW do you plan for a non-RV??? If an RD the dealers will go out of business and Banks won't want it?? .

[SocalDinar]

SoCal::: Unfortunately a lot of people have "bet the farm on a dinar RV" . When the dinar crashes they have nothing to fall back on . Welfare and SSA at 62. My crazy dinarian neighbor will not buy a new battery (really needs it ) for his truck because he expects to become rich tomorrow and will buy a new one!!!!

I guess i view things differently Rock. I see nothing unfortunate about it.  Its their money and they have the Freedom to do with it what they want.  For something to be unfortunate it must have some kind of finality to it and the gamble on the dinar is just not over yet.

 

Anyway Who are we to judge if their logic is sound. I know some follow the Gurus blindly but many also follow the Newshounds blindly.

None of my business what they do or who they believe.  And i still get hammered as being negative when i post upstairs. I truly do not mean to be negative but I do want to see both sides of the coin. I would think that anyone holding dinar would want to see the Bad news along with the good news. But it seems that even the bad news is called Propaganda and or "Smoke" by so many people.

Again not really any of my business what others do with their money or what they want to believe.  The Dinar I hold is my game and my risk alone.

 

People are still buying the 50s on E-bay. They are still paying 3 times the Centrals Banks rate.

 

 

      يعيش RA طويل

Edited March 16, 2015 by SocalDinar

[Nelg]

Believe and do what you want with what you have.  I really don't care.  Stay in the "tank" and commensurate in the misery of negativism of the "enlightened (??)" compadres with you.  

I prefer the positive air of hope, and the freedom to do with my money what I want without some interloper of privacy trying to tell me what to do.  

And the "unicorn" departs.       

[SocalDinar]

I thought the Unicorn was a symbol Christ? 

 

 

The medieval unicorn is widely accepted as a symbol for Jesus Christ. In the Hebrew Scriptures we find images of the “monoceros” ("one-horned mammal") that are associated with power: “But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil,” sings the psalmist David, blessing God for His continued support and blessings. The horn is the symbol for masculine power and virility, celebrated in ancient rites of anointing of a lingham stone representing the Life Force. Anointing of the “horn” is found also in Psalm 23: “Thou has anointed my head with oil; my cup overflows.” This assertion echoes ancient pagan rites of the “sacred marriage”  uniting the king with the princess/priestess who represented her land and people. It was the role of the “Bride” to anoint the Sacred King and to be united with him in the bridal chamber, where the consummation of their marriage brought blessings of life and fertility to the people, crops, and herds of the realm.

Various exotic legends are attached to the mythical unicorn. In the popular Physiologus, a bestiary compiled in the 3^rd c. in Alexandria, we find the ferocious unicorn, which can only be captured when he is lured to seek refuge with his head in the lap of a maiden. The powder ground from the unicorn’s horn was believed to be a powerful aphrodisiac and his horn was further reputed to purify polluted or poisonous waters.

These interesting attributions are related to the image of the Unicorn as the “Bridegroom King” of Israel, of the lineage of King David and heir to the Hebrew Bible’s promises made by Yahweh that his descendants would rule forever. The truth that Jesus was fully human, a virile husband and father, was denied by the tradition of the medieval Roman Church that Jesus was the celibate son of God, ruling with power and might from a throne in heaven. The “waters of spirit and truth” which were to have flowed through the Christian realm, nurturing the land and people, had been tragically distorted and perverted. Only the “horn” of the Unicorn (the symbol for his virility) could purify the polluted waters. This 15^th c. illumination from a Medical journal illustrated by Robin Tessart depicts the Unicorn, the “Maiden” and the purification of the stream.

 

                            

The roses above the head of the maiden and symbolic of the eternal “Feminine.” The Maiden is wearing the red commonly worn by medieval brides, while the lacing of the bodice is a style associated with pregnancy (since it enables the gown to be adjusted).

The Church fathers, who recognized the Unicorn as a symbol for Jesus Christ explain his head in the lap of the maiden by explaining that Jesus is trying to return to the womb of his mother. Clearly this is a stretch, an attempt by the Church patriarchs to co-opt the popular symbol of the unicorn, but taking away any sexual connotation of his horn. The representation of the “anointed one” in the lap of the maiden comes straight out of the ancient rites of the hieros gamos in which the Bride chooses her consort and anoints him in a ceremony foreshadowing the “anointing” that occurs in the Bridal Chamber when the nuptials are consummated.

The famous unicorn tapestries “La Dame à la licorne” celebrate the Bride in the garden awaiting this consummation of her nuptials in the final panel depicting the Bridal tent. Each panel represents one of the five senses, while the sixth celebrates the “union” of the beloveds.  In the first panel, “Sight,” the unicorn has lifted the skirt of the Bride with his hooves and is gazing at his image in the mirror she holds.

 

      
The Bride in these tapestries is dressed in gold brocade, the wedding gown of the Bride of the Messianic king described in Psalm 45 in the Hebrew Bible: “All glorious is the king’s daughter within; her clothing is wrought of gold; in embroidered raiment she is brought into the king.” In numerous medieval paintings, Mary Magdalene appears dressed in gold brocade, and the passage from Psalm 45 was, for centuries until 1969, part of the liturgy for her feast day, celebrated on 22 July.

 

              

                                  

In his book about the tapestries “La Dame à la licorne,” their long time curator reports a suggestion that the tapestries represent tenets of the Cathar heresy. We have the assertion of the 13^th c. chronicler, Pier vaux de Chernay, that the holocaust of the Cathars and their friends who sought sanctuary in the village church at Beziers on her feast day in 1209 as “divine providence” punishing them for their slanderous assertion that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were lovers. Apparently the belief was widely disseminated in that century, but distorted and repudiated. The Vatican and the French king collaborated to launch the Albigensian Crusade in 1209, reducing the beautiful towns of Provence to rubble.

In the "Hunt" tapestries popular in the Middle Ages, the unicorn is hunted and viciously attacked by dogs. Since the pure white unicorn is a symbol for the virile "Bridegroom" Christ, it has been suggested that in the "Hunt of the Unicorn" tapestries , the  Unicorn represented the Cathar faith, hounded and eventually destroyed by the Dominican "Domini canes" ("dogs of God"), the order of Inquisitors designated by the Vatican in 1239. 

Each of the early panels of the “Hunt of the Unicorn” tapestries displayed at the “Cloisters” in New York City depicts a phase of the hunt culminating in the extermination of the “Unicorn” (representing the “Bridegroom Christ” and the tenet of the Cathars). But the final panel shows the unicorn in the garden of delights, where each flower represents an aspect of love and fertility, and the blood-red juice from the pomegranate tree above drips on his pure white coat. The word “paradise” comes from the Persian word for garden, and in the Song of Songs, the Bride is likened to a “garden enclosed.”

 

   

 

 

                   

Among the watermarks found in the vernacular Bibles written on paper manufactured in small paper mills throughout the “Languedoc,” unicorns are the most popular of the images. Of approximately 13,000 watermarks collected in the early 20th century from antique bibles and other medieval literary works (notably the "Romance of the Rose" and "Song of Roland'), nearly 10% are images of unicorns.  My book, The Woman with the Alabaster Jar discusses the faith of the Cathars as revealed in the symbols they hid in sheets of paper after the faith was forced "underground" by the Inquisition and the Albigensian Crusade (1209-1250). One charming unicorn is very suggestive of the
“Bloodline heresy” of the “Sangraal” which asserts that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were parents of a child whose descendants survived to become the peers of European noble families. This unicorn watermark clearly depicts the unicorn as associated by blood with the royal French “fleur de lis.”

                      

Interestingly, this same distinctive flower appears to be growing in front of the fence of the enclosed garden in the “Captured Unicorn” panel of the “Hunt” tapestries. Both the watermark and the tapestries are dated c. 1500. It appears that the “heresy” of the bloodline of Jesus was widespread at that period of European history. Other watermarks depicting the “Lion of Judah” show a similar theme as illustrated below:

                

Since both the Lion and the Unicorn are symbols for the legitimate King of Israel, it’s easy to conclude that this fleur-de-lis in the heraldic animal's tail refers to the bloodline of the heirs of Israel's King David.

 

There is no verifiable proof that Jesus, the “Bridegroom King” and his beloved Mary Magdalene had a child and that heirs of this “sangraal” bloodline survived in Western Europe. We have no marriage certificate for the royal couple, no birth certificate for the Grail child.  What can be proved is that this belief was widespread in the Middle Ages, supported by art, artifact and legend in an underground stream of esoteric wisdom, brutally suppressed by the Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church. 

[rockfl9]

Anyway Who are we to judge if their logic is sound. I know some follow the Gurus blindly but many also follow the Newshounds blindly.

None of my business what they do or who they believe.  And i still get hammered as being negative when i post upstairs. I truly do not mean to be negative but I do want to see both sides of the coin. I would think that anyone holding dinar would want to see the Bad news along with the good news. But it seems that even the bad news is called Propaganda and or "Smoke" by so many people.

Again not really any of my business what others do with their money or what they want to believe.  The Dinar I hold is my game and my risk alone.

 

People are still buying the 50s on E-bay. They are still paying 3 times the Centrals Banks rate.

 

 

      يعيش RA طويل

Good words and I believe you can handle the future. But I read some that can't afford to see it ALL GONE.

[Nelg]

I thought the Unicorn was a symbol Christ? 

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/198446-after-4-years-banished-to-the-lopster-tank-for-my-opinion/page-6#ixzz3UVV0XEv1

 

Not biblically.  The unicorn has nothing to do with Christ or the biblical church of God.  Traditions of a religious group may refer to a thousand myths, but the Bible does not.   

Edited March 16, 2015 by Nelg

[SocalDinar]

Thanks Nelg

I think it was the king James version of the Bible that mentioned the unicorn several times.

It's been a while since I read up on this

[Markinsa]

www.bibiegateway.com - King James Version
 
Numbers 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
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Numbers 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
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Deuteronomy 33:17
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
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Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
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Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
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Psalm 22:21
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
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Psalm 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
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Psalm 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
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Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

[RVPleaseToday]

Animal names in biblical Hebrew are notoriously difficult to translate. The word often translated "unicorn" is inconsistently used in the Hebrew itself, sometimes referring to a one horned animal, sometimes a two horned animal. We really have no way to know what was being referred to millennia ago. We lack context.

[SocalDinar]

Animal names in biblical Hebrew are notoriously difficult to translate. The word often translated "unicorn" is inconsistently used in the Hebrew itself, sometimes referring to a one horned animal, sometimes a two horned animal. We really have no way to know what was being referred to millennia ago. We lack context.

Thanks

Also as with anything else just written by men the entirety is open to interpretation.

[Shabibilicious]

For all we know.....unicorns could live in the sea.    

 

 

GO RV, then BV

[Texstorm]

Narwhals !

[Nelg]

Enjoy the read . . . 

 

Unicorn:   International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

u'-ni-korn (re'em) (Nu 23:22; 24:8; De 33:17; Job 39:9,10; Ps 22:21; 29:6; 92:10; Isa 34:7)): "Unicorn" occurs in the King James Version in the passages cited, where the Revised Version (British and American) has "wild-ox" (which see).

 

Unicorn:   Eason’s Bible Dictionary.

described as an animal of great ferocity and strength (Num 23:22, R.V., "wild ox," marg., "ox-antelope; 24:8;Isa 34:7, R.V., "wild oxen"), and untamable (Job 39:9). It was in reality a two-horned animal; but the exact reference of the word so rendered (reem) is doubtful. Some have supposed it to be the buffalo; others, the white antelope, called by the Arabs rim. Most probably, however, the word denotes the Bos primigenius ("primitive ox"), which is now extinct all over the world. This was the auerochs of the Germans, and the urus described by Caesar (Gal. Bel., vi.28) as inhabiting the Hercynian forest. The word thus rendered has been found in an Assyrian inscription written over the wild ox or bison, which some also suppose to be the animal intended (Deu 33:17; Psa 22:21; 29:6; 92:10).

 

Unicorn:   Smith’s Bible Dictionary. 

the rendering of the Authorized Version of the Hebrew reeym, a word which occurs seven times in the Old Testament as the name of some large wild animal. The reem of the Hebrew Bible, however, has nothing at all to do with the one‐horned animal of the Greek and Roman writers, as is evident from Deuteronomy 33:17 where in the blessing of Joseph it is said; "his glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of a unicorn;" not, as the text of the Authorized Version renders it, "the horns of unicorns." The two horns of the ram are "the ten thousands of Ephraim and the thousands of Manasseh." This text puts a one‐horned animal entirely out of the question. Considering that the reem is spoken of as a two‐horned animal of great strength and ferocity, that it was evidently well known and often seen by the Jews, that it is mentioned as an animal fit for sacrificial purposes, and that it is frequently associated with bulls and oxen we think there can be no doubt that, some species of wild ox is intended. The allusion in Psalm 92:10 "But thou shalt lift up, as a reeym, my horn," seems to point to the mode in which the Bovidae use their horns, lowering the head and then tossing it up. But it is impossible to determine what particular species of wild ox is signified probably some gigantic urus is intended (It is probable that it was the gigantic Bos primigeniua, or aurochs, now extinct, but of which Caesar says, "These uri are scarcely less than elephants in size, but in their nature, color and form are bulls. Great is their strength and great their speed; they spare neither man nor beast when once they have caught sight of them"-Bell. Gall. vi. 20.‐ED.)