Trump accused of sabotage after signing executive order to weaken Obamacare

[markb57]

There are so many holes and BS in this article, I don't know where to begin....

[coorslite21]

so what is the health care like in Italy?

[bostonangler]

4 hours ago, coorslite21 said:

so what is the health care like in Italy?

 

My wife got really sick in Italy and stayed in the hospital for a week. When she was better, she signed her name and left... No bills and no pain...

 

B/A

[coorslite21]

2 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

My wife got really sick in Italy and stayed in the hospital for a week. When she was better, she signed her name and left... No bills and no pain...

 

B/A

 

So you are telling me that Italy offers free health care to Americans??.........now that's an interesting twist for a country that's going broke.....

[bostonangler]

10 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

 

So you are telling me that Italy offers free health care to Americans??.........now that's an interesting twist for a country that's going broke.....

 

I just told you what happened... I don't know if that is still how it works, this happened in 1993... But she was treated free of charge... Wouldn't it be nice if we could enjoy the benefit of no-charge healthcare? Instead we spend our money on policing the world and giving trillions to foreign governments instead of our own people.

 

As one who subscribes to the America First idea, I would think you would agree.

 

 

B/A

Edited October 19, 2017 by bostonangler

[coorslite21]

It is great to agree with you......."America First"...!!!

[Synopsis]

14 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

I just told you what happened... I don't know if that is still how it works, this happened in 1993... But she was treated free of charge... Wouldn't it be nice if we could enjoy the benefit of no-charge healthcare? Instead we spend our money on policing the world and giving trillions to foreign governments instead of our own people.

 

As one who subscribes to the America First idea, I would think you would agree.

 

 

B/A

 

Medical Services are just that - a service - and not a right in any stretch of the term or a privilege. These services, just like any other service, are to be paid by the service recipient or, as the case may have it, by the guardian of the one receiving the services.

 

No thought is adequately given to what is given in exchange for "free" services - especially free services from a government.

 

I am a Citizen of The United States of America. I am NOT Owned by The United States of America so I am not a "Ward of the State" of The United States of America.

 

I am solely responsible for my actions to include their remedy to retain my functionality and/or compensate for those injured while I also have full responsibility for the implications for my genetic make up with regard to Medical Services I receive.

 

To assume, for example, that the US Government is the only truly effective Medical Service provider for US Citizens and those "visiting" the US is entirely and absolutely ludicrous. There are far more effective and cost effective means to address Medical Services starting with the individual then nuclear family then extended family then church then community then county then State to assure reasonable health care in conjunction with Medical Service Providers. I realize this destroys the basic premise that US Health Care is a Right and a Privilege. This "Right and a Privilege" bilks the US Government then makes for exorbitant taxes on the US Citizens. Taken from an expanding sphere of responsibility standpoint, the costs and responsibilities are incumbent on the service recipient that make for better and more cost effective services. Conversely, the "War On Poverty" has become a "War Of Poverty" instituted beginning in the Lyndon Baines Johnson Presidential Administration and is the epitome of US Government irresponsibility and mismanagement. The "War Of Poverty" has cost the US Citizen far more in terms of quality and cost effectiveness of Medical Services while compromising the US Economy due to higher taxes that significantly reduces economic growth.

 

The Socialist Liberal Left mantra is always, "But if the Federal US Government does not take care of it, people will die unconscionably painful deaths or be maimed for the rest of their lives while bearing the emotional scares of rejection and we can't all just get along (waa, waa, waa Snowflake rendition)." The Federal Government Health Care provisions are not an effective panacea for medical ails and are not in any way shape or form a "Fountain of Youth" or a guarantee of the longest life possible with the highest possible quality of life.

 

Well, there is a lot more that needs to be, and should be said, about why no US Government services should be provided to it's citizens since the citizens have much more effective means for providing for their own needs. However, in a Socialist Liberal Left context, no government, including the US Government is big enough to address all the social issues and costs pertaining to the US Citizens and "visitors" to the US.

[Shabibilicious]

Man....if only the cardboard box homes of shanty town had electricity and internet connection.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[bostonangler]

18 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

I am a Citizen of The United States of America. I am NOT Owned by The United States of America

 

Are you happy we are trillions in debt, and yet we are giving trillions to prop up other governments? Is this waste of money working to MAGA? Does it make sense to nation build rather than build our own nation?

 

B/A

[Synopsis]

Just now, bostonangler said:

 

Are you happy we are trillions in debt, and yet we are giving trillions to prop up other governments? Is this waste of money working to MAGA? Does it make sense to nation build rather than build our own nation?

 

B/A

 

The greatest injustice imposed on the US Citizens by the US Government is the social programs instituted by the US Government. The greatest proportion of the debt the US faces is due to the inappropriate and exorbitant costs of the failed US Government Social Programs.

 

Here again in totale this time:

 

21 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

I am a Citizen of The United States of America. I am NOT Owned by The United States of America so I am not a "Ward of the State" of The United States of America.

 

US Citizens are not owned by The United States of America and are not subject to the care of the US Government as a "Ward of the State."

 

Obviously, the Socialist Liberal Left would have all US Citizens as a "Ward of the State" so that they can promote their destructive ideologies at the expense of the "Wards of the State" to treat US Citizens like surfs that do far more damage to Democracy in The United States of America and around the world.

 

        

 

Socialist Liberal Left Miscreants

 

                          

[coorslite21]

Yep. Drain the swamp.........both sides of it.......lot's of dead wood needs to be cleared as well.....

[bostonangler]

6 hours ago, Synopsis said:

 

The greatest injustice imposed on the US Citizens by the US Government is the social programs instituted by the US Government. The greatest proportion of the debt the US faces is due to the inappropriate and exorbitant costs of the failed US Government Social Programs.

 

Here again in totale this time:

 

 

US Citizens are not owned by The United States of America and are not subject to the care of the US Government as a "Ward of the State."

 

Obviously, the Socialist Liberal Left would have all US Citizens as a "Ward of the State" so that they can promote their destructive ideologies at the expense of the "Wards of the State" to treat US Citizens like surfs that do far more damage to Democracy in The United States of America and around the world.

 

        

 

Socialist Liberal Left Miscreants

 

                          

 

You are talking about personal responsibility. I'm talking about what our government could do for our citizens. So I say we spend our tax dollars at home to care for our people, or we stop paying income tax. Below is a real eye opener for every American. Just click on the country of your choice in the upper left hand corner and see how much money we give and to who. Belize? Really we need to give them millions? That could take care of a lot of seniors who need help, or save us millions off the taxes we pay. Canada? We gave them 11 million. That would help our people get a better education. China? 47 million? They frickin' threaten us daily... France 4 million, Germany 4 million, Niger 127 million. Really didn't just lose 4 military folks in Niger?

 

Anyway, pick your country then call your congressman and ask why you are paying these countries all these millions when American infrastructure is crumbling...

https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/AFG

 

America First... Her people last!!! That's how our government sees it. Now don't bash me, I'm not blaming Trump, he has no power it is our senators and congress that are giving away the farm.

 

 

B/A

Edited October 19, 2017 by bostonangler

[Synopsis]

Alexander Fraser Tytler > Quotes > Quotable Quote

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

― Alexander Fraser Tytler

tags: democracy, federal-spending, fiscal-policy

Read more quotes from Alexander Fraser Tytler 

 

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/108530-a-democracy-cannot-exist-as-a-permanent-form-of-government

 

It is imperative The United States Of America NOT attend to any of the personal needs of the US Citizens. The US Constitution was brilliantly set up to sustain Democracy for The United States Of America provided the Division Of Powers are observed, duly, and rigorously executed. This does NOT include attending to the personal needs of the US Citizens for which this Country is now in exorbitant debt.

 

Any dictatorship of any sort whether it be ideological or physical is to be eradicated for The United States Of America to stand to provide Freedom and Liberty to those who choose to exercise those disciplines without a personal assist from The United States Of America.

 

        

 

Socialist Liberal Left Miscreants

 

                          

[patrickgold]

President Trump is trying to make our Healthcare great.  

If anything, the Obama administration destroyed, sabotage the Healthcare system in order to control the people ,and along side of that they didn't even read it. Yes I agree it was forced down our throats.  The stupidity on their part was ignorance at its best.

[patrickgold]

22 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

I just told you what happened... I don't know if that is still how it works, this happened in 1993... But she was treated free of charge... Wouldn't it be nice if we could enjoy the benefit of no-charge healthcare? Instead we spend our money on policing the world and giving trillions to foreign governments instead of our own people.

 

As one who subscribes to the America First idea, I would think you would agree.

 

 

B/A

But nothing is ever free, some honest to goodness, hard working individual will be paying, through taxes. Where do you think the money comes from...trees.

[Shabibilicious]

10 minutes ago, patrickgold said:

But nothing is ever free, some honest to goodness, hard working individual will be paying, through taxes. Where do you think the money comes from...trees.

 

Absolutely.  

 

 

GO RV, then BV

[bostonangler]

14 hours ago, Synopsis said:

The US Constitution was brilliantly set up

 

I love the quote you posted, no truer words have ever been written. And your comment above is the absolute truth. Our founding fathers set it up so individuals didn't pay income tax, that would fall on corporations. Some how that was lost. As for my link to us-aid, I hope everyone goes and looks at where our tax dollars are going. Ask yourself, is there a bridge in disrepair in your neighborhood? Are your schools falling down form age? Do you know any veteran who could use a helping hand? Have you wondered why our student rank so low compared to other industrialized nations?  My point was our tax dollars should be spent at home, not on the beaches of Belize or wherever. Again I agree with you on personal responsibility, but I guess we don't agree on our tax burden and how it is spent. Giving trillions to foreign government while our infrastructure crumbles doesn't sound like a sound investment in MAGA... As I stated previously I'm not blaming Trump, this falls on our Senate and Congress, who seem to be bought and paid for by outside interests.

 

B/A 

[bostonangler]

36 minutes ago, patrickgold said:

But nothing is ever free, some honest to goodness, hard working individual will be paying, through taxes. Where do you think the money comes from...trees.

 

I agree, we all pay income taxes which is unconstitutional. But if my money has to be spent, I'd rather it be spent on health and education of Americans and not propping up some corrupt government, nation building or on the beaches of Aruba... Go check my link above and see where your tax dollars go and how different our country would be if that money was invested here. Or better yet, if those aid programs were dropped and we could reduce the taxes we pay and choose how we spend our money.

 

B/A

[Synopsis]

1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

 

I love the quote you posted, no truer words have ever been written. And your comment above is the absolute truth. Our founding fathers set it up so individuals didn't pay income tax, that would fall on corporations. Some how that was lost. As for my link to us-aid, I hope everyone goes and looks at where our tax dollars are going. Ask yourself, is there a bridge in disrepair in your neighborhood? Are your schools falling down form age? Do you know any veteran who could use a helping hand? Have you wondered why our student rank so low compared to other industrialized nations?  My point was our tax dollars should be spent at home, not on the beaches of Belize or wherever. Again I agree with you on personal responsibility, but I guess we don't agree on our tax burden and how it is spent. Giving trillions to foreign government while our infrastructure crumbles doesn't sound like a sound investment in MAGA... As I stated previously I'm not blaming Trump, this falls on our Senate and Congress, who seem to be bought and paid for by outside interests.

 

B/A 

 

Unfortunately, again, BostonAngler, You did not include the whole statement that is:

 

16 hours ago, Synopsis said:

The US Constitution was brilliantly set up to sustain Democracy for The United States Of America provided the Division Of Powers are observed, duly, and rigorously executed.

 

The answer to Your questions have nothing to do with US Federal Government remedies since the US Federal Government is not setup to, nor could it ever be set up to, address those issues You mentioned. For example, City or Town bridges are maintained locally or addressed through the County. Education flourished at the County level and then got progressively worse when taken over by State and Federal entities. Veterans are loved by their families and communities. I abhor the denigration of honorable US Service Personnel.

 

As for Your other nonsense, here is a clear reason the US needs to keep an upper hand in dealing with all world entities:

 

http://officercandidatesschool.com/blog/2013/06/14/usmc_history_to_the_shores_of_tripoli/

 

The Division Of Powers is tasked with addressing Foreign Affairs.

 

di·plo·ma·cy

dəˈplōməsē/

noun

 

1. the profession, activity, or skill of managing international relations, typically by a country's representatives abroad.

   "the government should assign an ambassador-at-large to oversee diplomacy in the region"

   synonyms:

   statesmanship, statecraft, negotiation(s), discussion(s), talks, dialogue; More

   • the art of dealing with people in a sensitive and effective way.

     "his genius for tact and diplomacy"

     synonyms:

     tact, tactfulness, sensitivity, discretion, subtlety, finesse, delicacy, savoir faire, politeness, thoughtfulness, care, judiciousness, prudence "Jack's quiet diplomacy"

 

trea·ty

ˈtrēdē/

noun

 

1. a formally concluded and ratified agreement between countries.

   synonyms:

   agreement, settlement, pact, deal, entente, concordat, accord, protocol, convention, contract, covenant, bargain, pledge;  concord, compact "several terms of the treaty were casually violated"

[bostonangler]

12 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

Unfortunately, again, BostonAngler, You did not include the whole statement that is:

 

 

The answer to Your questions have nothing to do with US Federal Government remedies since the US Federal Government is not setup to, nor could it ever be set up to, address those issues You mentioned. For example, City or Town bridges are maintained locally or addressed through the County. Education flourished at the County level and then got progressively worse when taken over by State and Federal entities. Veterans are loved by their families and communities. I abhor the denigration of honorable US Service Personnel.

 

As for Your other nonsense, here is a clear reason the US needs to keep an upper hand in dealing with all world entities:

 

http://officercandidatesschool.com/blog/2013/06/14/usmc_history_to_the_shores_of_tripoli/

 

The Division Of Powers is tasked with addressing Foreign Affairs.

 

di·plo·ma·cy

dəˈplōməsē/

noun

 

1. the profession, activity, or skill of managing international relations, typically by a country's representatives abroad.

   "the government should assign an ambassador-at-large to oversee diplomacy in the region"

   synonyms:

   statesmanship, statecraft, negotiation(s), discussion(s), talks, dialogue; More

   • the art of dealing with people in a sensitive and effective way.

     "his genius for tact and diplomacy"

     synonyms:

     tact, tactfulness, sensitivity, discretion, subtlety, finesse, delicacy, savoir faire, politeness, thoughtfulness, care, judiciousness, prudence "Jack's quiet diplomacy"

 

trea·ty

ˈtrēdē/

noun

 

1. a formally concluded and ratified agreement between countries.

   synonyms:

   agreement, settlement, pact, deal, entente, concordat, accord, protocol, convention, contract, covenant, bargain, pledge;  concord, compact "several terms of the treaty were casually violated"

 

I have to disagree... We are paying for yahoos in countries that should be no concern of ours... If you think paying for crap in sovereign nations is okay, well that would make you a globalist. I didn't see that one coming.

And I guess you've never driven on an interstate highway. I'm not talking about fixing covered bridges in Vermont.

 

I'm not trying to argue about politics, I just put our citizens before the rest of the globe. And I agree states should take care of themselves as intended by our forefathers. The federal government was set up to serve the states. And to protect our borders. And yet we spend trillions on protecting other countries while ours deteriorates. None of your above definitions state we should pay for other countries and their corrupt governments. Hell, just the money we gave to Bosnia last year would resolve the problems in Puerto Rico left by Maria. That's just one country we prop up.... Let's see who else we can drop and put money back into American needs.

 

B/A

[umbertino]

 

Rising premiums and political turmoil over Obamacare undermine the gains that drove the nation’s uninsured rate to a historic low

 

Associated Press

Friday 20 October 2017 14.30 BST

 

 

 

Donald Trump last week signed an executive order to make it easier for Americans to buy bare-bone health insurance plans and circumvent Obamacare rules.

Photograph: Kevin Lamarque/Reuters

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/20/health-insurance-us-adults-obamacare-trump

[Synopsis]

4 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

I have to disagree... We are paying for yahoos in countries that should be no concern of ours... If you think paying for crap in sovereign nations is okay, well that would make you a globalist. I didn't see that one coming.

And I guess you've never driven on an interstate highway. I'm not talking about fixing covered bridges in Vermont.

 

I'm not trying to argue about politics, I just put our citizens before the rest of the globe. And I agree states should take care of themselves as intended by our forefathers. The federal government was set up to serve the states. And to protect our borders. And yet we spend trillions on protecting other countries while ours deteriorates. None of your above definitions state we should pay for other countries and their corrupt governments. Hell, just the money we gave to Bosnia last year would resolve the problems in Puerto Rico left by Maria. That's just one country we prop up.... Let's see who else we can drop and put money back into American needs.

 

B/A

 

There is always a cheap price to pay for diplomacy that is a far cry from the invaluable price of shed American Blood. The real atrocity is the "War Of Poverty" crimes against the US Citizens that have run the US Government into extreme debt. The basic flaw in Your premises is the ineffective US Government that wastes US Tax Money especially by prioritizing the dole programs regardless of the money spent to maintain a safer US presence elsewhere so the US Citizen's, and especially US Service Personnel, basic interests are less likely to be compromised.

Edited October 20, 2017 by Synopsis

[nstoolman1]

A very wise man(Dad) always said:  It is always cheaper to stay out of trouble than to get out once your in trouble. 

[Muleslayer]

35 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

A very wise man(Dad) always said:  It is always cheaper to stay out of trouble than to get out once your in trouble. 

Smart man!

[Muleslayer]

Hmm I thought there was a law enforced by the irs that says we free and sovereign Americans MUST buy insurance.

Perhaps the last eight long years was a bad dream after all?

nah