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Laura Ingraham just wants her question answered by Brain Moore, a 2008 Presidential Candidate w/a Socialist platform
“where in our world is Socialism actually working?”-

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Well...With the correct dosage of a few elements ( social democracy with welfare and att'n to the most important needs for the citizens plus capitalism...yes, I said it) it did work greatly in almost every country of Scandinavia...Infact citizens there kept voting social democracy for decades..They ( Countries and citizens) kept getting richer and had / have a super-high standard of living...

 

Lately this changed in some of those Countries...As it happened in most of Europe....A big right-wing wave of insatisfaction and intolerance ( for migrants, the left etc along with the birth of extreme far-right groups....outspoken nazis and such... and some politicians of course rode that wave...)

 

But for years and I think still now ....One or 2 or 3  among the Scandinavian Countries ( or many of them combined) is/ are  always  in the first positions when  it comes to the yearly worldwide list for Country /Countries  with the best quality of living.....Fact

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I found this from the Web.

 

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Scandinavia+and+socialism&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

 

Scandinavian "socialism" is capitalism with a strong democracy and a universal welfare state. Scandinavian countries actually have low levels of government intervention in commerce and industry.

 

 

 

Is Scandinavia a Socialist country?

Scandinavian countries are “socialist” in some senses and vibrantly capitalist in other senses. They are “socialist” in the sense that they have very high taxes with very generous social welfare services provided by the state, the famous “cradle-to-grave” welfare state.

 

 

So it may be called socialist but not a true form of socialism. They are still stealing from the wealthy to give to the poor. 

 

 

 

The definition of:

 

socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
 
NOUN
  1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
    synonyms:
    leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism · 
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6 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

I found this from the Web.

 

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Scandinavia+and+socialism&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

 

Scandinavian "socialism" is capitalism with a strong democracy and a universal welfare state. Scandinavian countries actually have low levels of government intervention in commerce and industry.

 

 

 

Is Scandinavia a Socialist country?

Scandinavian countries are “socialist” in some senses and vibrantly capitalist in other senses. They are “socialist” in the sense that they have very high taxes with very generous social welfare services provided by the state, the famous “cradle-to-grave” welfare state.

 

 

So it may be called socialist but not a true form of socialism. They are still stealing from the wealthy to give to the poor. 

 

 

 

The definition of:

 

socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
 
NOUN
  1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
    synonyms:
    leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism · 

Thanks,  normally I would attempt to explain but what's the use,  "stupid is as stupid does". 

Communism is PURE EVIL. 

 

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is capitalism with a strong democracy and a universal welfare state

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Yes....Which is , even if not verbatim,what I wrote

 

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With the correct dosage of a few elements ( social democracy with welfare and att'n to the most important needs for the citizens plus capitalism...yes, I said it) it did work greatly in almost every country of Scandinavia...Infact citizens there kept voting social democracy for decades..They ( Countries and citizens) kept getting richer and had / have a super-high standard of living...

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Besides...it's true they have a high taxation...But the services Citizens get are top....Hospitals, schools, kindergartens, children-care money to the families, support for the un-employed and/or temporarily un-employed etc

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6 hours ago, umbertino said:

Hospitals, schools, kindergartens, children-care money to the families, support system" rel="">support for the un-employed and/or temporarily un-employed etc

None of the above are things I need or use.

 

Does it necessarily mean that I would still have to pay for others that are using those services or could I opt out?

 

Do I get a refund of sort if I have already paid for any or all of the services previously with my own capital if socialism gets installed?

 

How does someone like myself benefit?

 

I paid my way so I figure that they/ you can pay your way.

 

Am I wrong to think this way?

 

Please advise.

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7 hours ago, bigwave said:

None of the above are things I need or use.

 

Does it necessarily mean that I would still have to pay for others that are using those services or could I opt out?

 

Do I get a refund of sort if I have already paid for any or all of the services previously with my own capital if socialism gets installed?

 

How does someone like myself benefit?

 

I paid my way so I figure that they/ you can pay your way.

 

Am I wrong to think this way?

 

Please advise.

 

 

 

Evidently People in those nations have a different outlook when it comes to that.....They see everyday that their taxes pay back in great services and I'm sure they do pay their taxes willingly...Even the schoolbus is free ...Things work extremely well...They have ultra efficient  services

 

In many other Countries (including mine) we do ( at least many of us.....even if we have the highest tax evasion record) pay our fair share  and we see public serices most times are a joke...Then we also see scandals in Politics with a lot ( millions) of money paid off in bribes etc....And everything  ( in some parts of the Country at least) goes rotting away....We have most school buildings here which need a serious re-structuring work cos they are at risk, and hospitals, and prisons etc....

 

Since , for instance, public kindergartens are always full and booked for the next 2/3 years and People need a place for their kids as both parents  have to work ( of course) then they have to rely on private kindergartens which charge a lot of money...

 

We fail to see the good results of our tax money, which ( even if I do not condone it, infact I do condemn it, obviously) forces some Folks to evade taxes  ...Italy is mainly made by small entrepreneurs ( 4 to 10/12 workers)...There's few big stuff...those big industries usually do not have any issues in paying taxes...

 

Many times, due to our tax load, the little entrepreneur is kinda forced to choose ...paying the workers or evading some  tax? That's bad

 

Fact is that as usual the little fish are the only to pay ....Big financiers who do bad, wrongdoing, faking a society checking books, taking millions out of the Country etc....never are punished seriously

 

The tax paying is a cultural thing....if for years one didn't see anything coming their way in terms to a real aid to one's living...meaning good services .....It's going to be difficult  to make them understand tax paying is a good thing...When for many things you can only rely on private...Private clinics, kindergartens, schools, etc

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6 hours ago, umbertino said:

Evidently People in those nations have a different outlook when it comes to that.

Evidently indeed.

 

6 hours ago, umbertino said:

we have the highest tax evasion record) pay our fair share 

Sounds like double talk to me. if Bernie wants 70-80% of our money then it seems like tax evasion (avoidance) would go way up.

 

6 hours ago, umbertino said:

public kindergartens are always full and booked for the next 2/3 years

Does not sound like a good system. Maybe private is way better. If you have kids you have to pay the band - and not with my money.

 

6 hours ago, umbertino said:

We fail to see the good results of our tax money,

Wow oh wow and the socialites want more of it.

 

6 hours ago, umbertino said:

tax load

exactly. 

 

6 hours ago, umbertino said:

Big financiers who do bad

The little guy or the big guy. I feel a little bigger than most in my family and I don't feel like screwing anybody. School is NEVER our for the professional and the little guy/gal/it just complains that he/she/it can't pass a test.LOL

 

6 hours ago, umbertino said:

The tax paying is a cultural thing

I want a little government, less regulations, less taxes and more liberties. 

 

6 hours ago, umbertino said:

f for years one didn't see anything coming their way in terms to a real aid to one's living.

Definitely get a better J-O-B!

 

6 hours ago, umbertino said:

tax paying is a good thing

Roads and military protection and maybe a few other things but WE The People are 23.5 TRILLION in the hole - quit it........

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What a stupid thread... First off, Bernie is going to be president, so his talking points are moot. Second, any campaign rhetoric is just that rhetoric. Not one of the things a candidate says can happen without the support of congress and the senate. So the reality is, these comments are used by their opponents as a scare tactic. Obviously it works on some people. Campaign rhetoric mans nothing. You know like Mexico will pay for the wall.. Just cheap talk

 

B/A

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That's why we need to remove those in Congress and the Senate who refuse to work for the people and never compromise.  The president is only the most powerful person in the world because of We the People allow it. The president is supposed to represent the people and the government is supposed to work for us. Somewhere along the way we forgot that and let them run all over us and use the offices for personal gains and personal agenda advancement.

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5 hours ago, bostonangler said:

What a stupid thread... First off, Bernie is going to be president, so his talking points are moot. Second, any campaign rhetoric is just that rhetoric. Not one of the things a candidate says can happen without the support system" rel="">support of congress and the senate. So the reality is, these comments are used by their opponents as a scare tactic. Obviously it works on some people. Campaign rhetoric mans nothing. You know like Mexico will pay for the wall.. Just cheap talk

 

B/A

If this thread is so stupid then why are you posting in it? One thing I love about Trump is his ability to totally expose people for what they truly are. 

By this post you have come out and admitted that you are a Communist. Good to know. 

But understand one thing, Sanders 

WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT. 

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29 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

Thanks mule... Obviously I meant is not going to be president... 

 

B/A

 

But you got attacked at the throat immediately....Just for a change...

 

I, in my huge humbleness, got it right away that you just mistyped and simply skipped a NOT ...Doesn't take a rocket scientist....

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10 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

If this thread is so stupid then why are you posting in it? One thing I love about Trump is his ability to totally expose people for what they truly are. 

By this post you have come out and admitted that you are a Communist. Good to know. 

But understand one thing, Sanders 

WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT. 

 

If you could comprehend more than one word at a time you would have realized I meant is not going to be president. You should have been able to see by the next sentence I said his talking points are moot... But of course the blinded rarely see what's in-front of them and proceed to attack anything they don't understand.

 

B/A

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22 minutes ago, umbertino said:

 

But you got attacked at the throat immediately....Just for a change...

 

I, in my huge humbleness, got it right away that you just mistyped and simply skipped a NOT ...Doesn't take a rocket scientist.…

 

Thanks Umbertino, you are correct we obviously don't have many rocket scientists aboard this ride... LOL

 

B/A

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6 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

Thanks Umbertino, you are correct we obviously don't have many rocket scientists aboard this ride... LOL

 

B/A


My uncle was a rocket scientist, and I was the first aviation mechanic in California’s history, to ace the Aviation Airframe & Power-plant, written and practiced exams.

At the end of the test, he tried to trick me with some crap that was in a plane crash. I was the only person to see through his trick.
 

With that said, I can see through y’all’s agenda, and it’s ruined this Dinar site.  We use to be focused on this investment. Now it’s dealing with the antichrist. 

 

Let me ask you and your overeducated rocket scientists, a second question???

 

If the left took our guns, would they load them on a barge, and sell them to Turkey as scrap metal, or melt them down, and create satanic statues, and place them next to the Ten Commandments, in front of Courthouses?

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By this post you have come out and admitted that you are a Communist. Good to know. 

But understand one thing, Sanders 

WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT. 

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Well...Even if he HYPOTETHICALLY happened to be one ( we know he is not btw)...I mean, a Communist...That wouldn't be  so terrible as being close to someone with leprosy ( but apparently many here think it's exactly like that or worse...)....Just the same as it's not terrible being right-wing or far right wing

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2 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

If you could comprehend more than one word at a time you would have realized I meant is not going to be president. You should have been able to see by the next sentence I said his talking points are moot... But of course the blinded rarely see what's in-front of them and proceed to attack anything they don't understand.

 

B/A

This is what you said, 

First off, Bernie is going to be president, so his talking points are moot

So once again your projection is showing. Meaning, "his talking points are moot"...because you're so certain of his Presidency. Tell me again WHO'S INCAPABLE OF COMPREHENSION :facepalm1:

As far as being blinded I agree with your statement 100%. You display it so perfectly every day. 

 

 

2 hours ago, gregp said:

If the left took our guns, would they load them on a barge, and sell them to Turkey as scrap metal, or melt them down, and create satanic statues, and place them next to the Ten Commandments, in front of Courthouses

They would reload them and point them at us. They see us as the enemy, just study B/As post. :o

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