Pitcher Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 BA we were spending 80 b a month in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Dems are wrong not to try to negociate a Border Security plan of action. The Dems hold the purse and they look like absolute fools. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitcher Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 You will get paid, all employees always do. Rafiki1, I own my own business and rely on my own ability to get paid. Maybe you should try it. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Rafiki1 said: Speaking of “paying”. As a Federal employee I sure would love to get paid. Our “President” seems to erroneously believe that we’re “fine” and agree with his narcissistic,egocentric manical delusional truths. So Pitcher, you accept 4 weeks without pay and then defend that man. I'm just curious, how many paychecks will you go without before you start calling your congressperson and Demanding that they give the President what he wants? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Rafiki1 said: I do not respond to bullying or being held hostage. You don't respond to sincere intellectual questions designed to make you think, either 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, Rafiki1 said: No Pitcher. You rely on others to pay you. And not very honest either. I was an independent contractor for the Federal Gov. during a shutdown. As long as I was still delivering my loads I got paid as soon as the shutdown was ended. So if you chose to not work during the shutdown that is on you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rafiki1 said: What happened to your flowery New Years resolution, LGD! You have lowered yourself. I'm sorry but you attacked me by saying that my honest question was bulling. It was nothing of the sort. I wanted to get you to think about the ridiculous position of arguing with someone like Trump. No one ever wins that game but Trump. Like him or not is irrelevant, the fact is no one in DC is as suborn as he is. So I respectfully ask you again, how many checks would you miss before demanding that the Dems just give Trump what he wants. This isn't about whether I like Trump or you like Nancy, this is about people making a living and paying their bills. Nothing anyone does is gonna stop Trump from his goal. So for the sake of those that are suffering just give him his wall. P.S. I promised that I would treat people with respect and love, I NEVER said that I wouldn't engage in spirited debate. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rafiki1 said: You’re in the rabbit hole friend. This is akin to you advising your children to “just give him what he wants” to make “him” “happy” and compromise their selves. At no level is this way of thinking a positive outcome. Right or wrong as concerning the outcome, it is what it is. And if I were a Dem I would already be telling Nancy to give him what he wants. Call him a child, call him stubborn, call him whatever you want but he clearly isn't going to cave on this one. Now as to the mature thing, as a trucker I deal with extremely stubborn folks all day. For years I would fight for my section of the road and not give in. Then one day I saw someone else doing the same thing that I did. Only that person I watched didn't live to tell about it. I realized in that moment, when you come against someone that stubborn just back off and let them have the road. They will get what is coming to them and I will get to go home and enjoy my children. Life is much more happy that way, at least for me. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jg1 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said: Speaking of “paying”. As a Federal employee I sure would love to get paid. Our “President” seems to erroneously believe that we’re “fine” and agree with his narcissistic,egocentric manical delusional truths. Dont tell me, your a democrat and think nancy and chuck are right! Its a moral issue and the boarder should remain basically open? That anyone, and I say anyone that crosses illegally along our boarder and does not get cought crossing is free and clear! If they do get caught, its a catch and release. Dont you care about the average American citizen, it does not seem like it. You dont seem to care about your own families safety, and quality of life. The drugs, criminals, terrorists, deaths, and the low working wage along with driving up inflation could be stopped or dramatically slowed and your crying about your plump check followed by vacations, medical and big fat pension. Take out a loan, how about that or maybe quit if you dont want to wait to get paid, or maybe the illegals took the job you would have applied for. I will take my families safety over your inconvenience. President Trump was voted into office to build that wall, and yes he keeps his promises unlike the rest in office. Edited January 10, 2019 by jg1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, jg1 said: Dont tell me, your a democrat and think nancy and chuck are right! Its a moral issue and the boarder should remain basically open? That anyone, and I say anyone that crosses illegally along our boarder and does not get cought crossing is free and clear! If they do get caught, its a catch and release. Dont you care about the average American citizen, it does not seem like it. You dont seem to care about your own families safety, and quality of life. The drugs, criminals, terrorists, deaths, and the low working wage along with driving up inflation could be stopped or dramatically slowed and your crying about your plump check followed by vacations, medical and big fat pension. Take out a loan, how about that or maybe quit if you dont want to wait to get paid, or maybe the illegals took the job you would have applied for. I will take my families safety over your inconvenience. President Trump was voted into office to build that wall, and yes he keeps his promises unlike the rest in office. The quote you quoted was not made by me but by @Rafiki1 Don't know how that happened but oh well 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jg1 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said: The quote you quoted was not made by me but by @Rafiki1 Don't know how that happened but oh well Sorry. I took a part of a quote from Rafiki1 that you had responded too. Oh boy, I know where you stand, no questions there. Take care.. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, jg1 said: Sorry. I took a part of a quote from Rafiki1 that you had responded too. Oh boy, I know where you stand, no questions there. Take care.. OH Dang!!!!!!!!!!!! And here I thought I was being secretive and all. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jg1 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Rafiki1 said: Oh and the “boarder”you refer to is spelled “border” and families is family’s in your context...just sayin’💋 Was going to give you a laugh emogi but I'm all out. Take care. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synopsis Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 You know, I am SO appreciative AND Thankful for the sound statements others have made here that are, quite frankly, indisputable. Thank You Wise AND Diligent True The United States Of America Patriots!!! I Salute You!!! On the other hand, there are those that make statements that indisputably demonstrate and display THEIR "inseparable" "cognition" AND "safe space" for WHATEVER Reason. Well, OK, if one chooses to pass through life THAT way then it is ENTIRELY unreasonable to DEMAND others will do the same. For clear reasons already stated, the Southern Land Border with Mexico MUST be built NOW as a matter of (clearly) National Security. Well, OK, Soldier On Everyone!!! Our Life, Liberty, AND The Pursuit Of Happiness DEPEND On It whether or NOT the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives want it for THEMSELVES AND/OR The True The United States Of America Patriots!!! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitcher Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Ok RAF, you are obviously here to cause trouble. I’m not going to lower myself to your level. I hope you get paid, you are under duress. I am a Capitalist and I probably help to pay your salary with the 35% a year Taxes I pay evert year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitcher Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Democratic Leadership. Thank you for being a public servant 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 This Friday, hundreds of thousands of federal workers will miss their first paycheck It could mark a key inflection point in the substance — and optics — of the shutdown fight. By Li Zhouli@vox.com Jan 9, 2019, 1:30pm EST Trash lies on the grounds of the National Mall as the partial shutdown of the US government goes into its 12th day on January 2, 2019. Mark Wilson/Getty Images This Friday, the pain of a partial government shutdown will become all too real when an estimated 800,000 federal workers miss a paycheck. “Once that first paycheck [doesn’t come], we’re no longer talking about the theoretical; we’re talking about tangible missing of paying electric bills, paying mortgage or rent — at which point, the narrative shifts,” says High Point University political science professor Brandon Lenoir. The partial shutdown, which began on December 22 and affects nine federal departments, seemed fairly low-risk at first, since it didn’t involve the entire government and many affected agencies had funding through the end of the year. But as it stretches on, becoming one of the longest government shutdowns in history, the liability for federal workers — many of whom are facing post-holiday bills — is starting to set in. As an official for the American Federation of Government Employees, a union for government employees, told NBC News, workers in the departments that have yet to be funded will begin to see the effect of the shutdown between January 11 and 17, when paychecks that cover the December 22 to January 5 pay period are typically sent out. Already, thousands are beginning to apply for unemployment or consider other part-time work. “If we don’t have an agreement I think by midnight on the 8th, which is Tuesday, then payroll will not go out as originally planned on Friday night,” acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said during a Meet the Press appearance over the weekend. That deadline has come and gone and Democrats and Republicans are nowhere close to a possible spending deal. Friday’s missed paycheck could very well force President Trump and other Republican lawmakers to consider the fallout for workers much more seriously, marking a key inflection point in the substance — and optics — of the shutdown fight. The shutdown is about politics for politicians — but it’s real for federal workers While Trump continues to levy aggressive demands for a border wall, one of his chief campaign promises, many federal workers are trying to figure out how they’ll cover immediate costs like rent, utilities, and medication — concerns the president has brushed aside. As federal workers continue to share stories about the financial hardship they’re experiencing and the effect it has on their families, Trump has responded with little more than a shrug — repeatedly discounting workers’ struggles and going so far as to argue that the partial shutdown has a “higher purpose than next week’s pay.” The risk of public outcry potentially escalating after that first missed paycheck hasn’t escaped Senate Republicans, including a handful who will be vulnerable during the 2020 election cycle. “I think that’s gonna elevate the debate because thousands and thousands of employees are going to miss their paychecks,” Senate Appropriations Committee Chair Richard Shelby (R-AL) told Government Executive. The Republican-dominated Senate has thus far taken no action to address federal worker concerns — refusing to consider spending bills proposed by House Democrats as part of efforts to reopen the government. As worker blowback about this approach grows come Friday, that position just might begin to waver. “Every day this shutdown continues is another day of increasing anxiety for federal workers and everyone affected by these political games,” AFGE president J. David Cox Sr. said in a statement. “The pain will certainly hit home this Friday when the paychecks stop coming and 800,000 workers must figure out how to survive without any income.” This collective missed pay amounts to a whopping $2 billion, according to an analysis by the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank. It’s worth noting that in past shutdowns, Congress has typically approved back pay for employees after the shutdown ends — but it is a norm rather than a law, and there is no guarantee that Congress will do that again this time around. Outcry is only expected to build — and put pressure on Republicans Trump repeatedly claimed that federal workers — particularly Border Patrol agents, who are working without pay — support his efforts to shut down the government, but the vehement pushback he’s received from several of the largest unions representing government employees indicates that most don’t. What’s more, a December survey from the Government Business Council and GovExec.com found that seven in 10 government employees actively disagree with the partial government shutdown. (Representatives from the Border Patrol union have stood by Trump, however.) To make their opposition all the more clear, several key unions representing federal workers plan to dial up their pushback toward the shutdown via a slew of protests this week, with AFL-CIO and AFGE among those spearheading a rally outside the White House on Thursday. Members of 32BJ-SEIU, a union representing building service contractors, are also targeting vulnerable Republican senators as part of calls they’re making to Congress, according to a spokesperson. And while Democrats have been the ones most prominently highlighting the impact on federal workers during this shutdown, Republican lawmakers haven’t been immune to the outpouring from federal employees about the challenges they’re facing without their expected paychecks. “We don’t need to hold them hostage,” Sen. John Boozman (R-AR) told CNN, when discussing workers who may live paycheck to paycheck. Many of the unions’ latest efforts are aimed at keeping the focus on the pain the shutdown is causing federal workers, with the goal of pressuring Senate Republicans — including those facing a tough reelection fight in 2020 — to change course. “The only group to possibly crack, if the pressure is great enough, are Senate Republicans looking ahead to 2020 elections,” says Eileen Babbitt, a professor of conflict analysis and resolution at Tufts University’s Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. “If they feel the president is finally going too far off the rails, they could publicly break with him. That would truly be an inflection point, as it will signal a major split in the Republican coalition.” Already, a growing number of Republicans including Sens. Cory Gardner (CO), Susan Collins (ME) and Lisa Murkowski (AK) have split with the president on this issue. As CNN reports, more and more Republicans are also expressing an openness to considering individual spending bills that would reopen noncontroversial agencies one by one, which House Democrats intend to pass this week. It remains to be seen how many will ultimately go this route as worker pressure intensifies. Something big needs to happen for the stalemate to break Although Republican backing for Trump’s wall is clearly waning, it would still take a pretty dramatic turn in public opinion for a large-scale defection in the Senate conference. This is, in large part, because Trump’s base of support still remains relatively synonymous with the Republican voter base in a number of right-leaning states. “It is possible that some Republicans, particularly senators with many affected federal workers in their states, might be inclined to push for a resolution without wall funding — but many of these senators are in Western states where their bases are also Trumpian,” says University of Maryland Baltimore County political science professor Roy Meyers. States like Utah, South Dakota, and Montana have a high proportion of federal workers who are in their jurisdiction, for example, but they’re also states that went for Trump by double digits in 2016. Public opinion will likely have to sour significantly on the president and the wall standoff to compel certain Republican lawmakers to consider voicing some opposition, especially since the next election is still many months away. That hasn’t appeared to happen ... yet. “What’s missing so far is public urgency, where voters say, ‘Do something about this — or else!’’’ says George Mason University political science professor Bill Schneider. Recent polls show Trump’s approval ratings taking a major hit in the wake of the shutdown, but much of this criticism remains split along party lines. With federal workers set to miss their first paychecks on Friday, that dynamic could certainly begin to change. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Pitcher said: Democratic Leadership. Thank you for being a public servant That's awesome Pitcher. If Americans would only wake up and vote every incumbent out we might turn this mess around. B/A 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitcher Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 BA, I agree 100%. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Wonder how long until the new guard socialists on the left to change leadership in their party? CL 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 18 hours ago, Pitcher said: Shabbs you hate Trump, we get it but I don’t give a rats a** about any politician who believes in open borders. My phone number is listed on my page. Feel free to call me or better yet hop on a plane and come to Houston. I will show you first hand the tragedy of open borders. I skeen my calls so leave ave a message when you arrive. I’ll pick you up and give you a weapon to defend yourselve as we drive through the barrio around midnight. Pass, thanks....been to Houston once, wasn't all that impressed....Now that drive over to New Orleans was cool though. Besides, I lived around D.C. while serving in the Army, and currently live a stone's throw from Detroit and know what diversity looks like. GO RV, then BV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 9:59 AM, Shabibilicious said: Pass, thanks....been to Houston once, wasn't all that impressed....Now that drive over to New Orleans was cool though. Besides, I lived around D.C. while serving in the Army, and currently live a stone's throw from Detroit and know what diversity looks like. GO RV, then BV And your NOT with a three letter agency 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 11:57 AM, ladyGrace'sDaddy said: And your NOT with a three letter agency Nope.....4 letter agency....L.O.O.M. GO RV, then BV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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