Kuwait: Iraq is still under Chapter VII for this reason

[yota691]

Kuwait: Iraq is still under Chapter VII for this reason

FRIDAY, JUNE 28, 2013 13:33   

Twilight News / confirmed Kuwaiti Information Minister Salman Hamoud morning, that the file of compensation owed by Iraq of Kuwait is still under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, pointing to the existence of a mechanism under the auspices of the United Nations to follow up the payment of compensation amounting to around $ 11 billion.

He morning in a statement seen by "Twilight News" hoped the exit of Iraq from the provisions of Chapter VII fully, "There is a part of the compensation, there is a mechanism in the joint meetings under the auspices of the United Nations in the development of mechanisms to deal with compensation. Think there is $ 11 billion of the remaining, and there is an understanding between the United Nations. our part, and we hope to come out of Iraq from Chapter VII and strengthen relations. "

Sabah added that the survival of some of the files under Chapter VII does not mean that Kuwait has no fears towards its northern neighbor, stressing that relations between the two countries have improved dramatically.

"I never do not have fears of Iraq. Everything there that we are in constant work to overcome an earlier stage. Thankfully now there is an understanding between the two countries and between the two leaderships to strengthen relations in many aspects, including cultural aspects, media, economic, and meet the requirements of Security Council resolutions and therefore out of Iraq from Chapter VII. "

For his part, Undersecretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kuwait Khaled Al-Jarallah UN Security Council Resolution important step, and added that the decision will reflect positively on Iraq's relations with Kuwait and the international community.

Jarallah explained, "is an important step and will enable our brothers in Iraq to reach better results always in relations both at the level of the region or their relations at the international level."

The Jarallah that Iraq showed significant cooperation in resolving the outstanding issues with Kuwait, and said "for the missing property was handled by international coordinator under the provisions of Chapter VII. Now assume this task UNAMI in Iraq of the United Nations. As for the issue of compensation was left only a few of these compensation . and our in Iraq Mentzmon the brothers in the payment of such compensation, and also confirmed that they will continue to pay this compensation to the end of the last installment. "

Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari downplayed keep the file of compensation under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, said in a statement to the channel "free" that "this paragraph shall continue to exist fact but there is agreement on the payment mechanism between us and the United Nations and the Kuwaitis, and these funds be applied. is the successor arrangements for the Fund of Iraq, and we do not have any problem. This is an issue agreed upon and is not controversial. Thread outdated. I say from the door to emphasize that Iraq went through and practically from the provisions of Chapter VII. This is in our hands, if we can pay this money today this paragraph will be a thing of the past. "

The UN Security Council has voted unanimously Thursday to Resolution No. 2107, which comes out of Iraq in part from the provisions of Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations and an end to the mission of the Special Coordinator of the United Nations responsible for my Kuwaiti missing persons and property.

And the transfer of the Security Council under resolution My Kuwaiti missing persons and property under Chapter VI to the work of the United Nations Mission to help Iraq (UNAMI) and keep them under the umbrella of the UN Security Council review.

He urged Iraq to continue his efforts in the search for missing Kuwaiti property, including the National Archives through the Joint Ministerial Commission between the two sides.

Relates to Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations cases of threats to peace and acts of aggression, which the Security Council can take non-military measures or the use of force   for the maintenance of peace and security in the event of failure of the parties to the conflict to resolve their differences.

Relations Iraq - Kuwait marked improvement, especially in the recent period where the two sides exchanged visits at the highest levels, and agreed to resolve the outstanding problems, which notably border demarcation and navigation and missing.

And entered Iraq under Chapter VII in 1990 while move the former Iraqi regime troops for the invasion of Kuwait, prompting the Security Council to pass a resolution to use force to eject Iraqi forces in a military operation with the participation of coalition forces broad international, led by the United States knew a storm desert in the January 27 general 1991.

Since then, Iraq has become under the weight of economic sanctions ended only after the fall of the former regime in 2003, when Iraq began to slowly regain its relations with neighboring countries

Edited June 28, 2013 by yota691

[Maja1962]

Contrary to what some have rumored, this article seems to support that the remaining compensation ($11 Billion) was moved into Chapter VI, through which they can pay installments until 2015.

 

Great find, Yota!  Thanks again!! 

[sandfly]

THANKS

[dontlop]

 

Security Council

SC/11050

Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

Security Council

6990

th

Meeting (AM)

 

Unanimously Adopting Resolution 2107 (2013), Security Council Removes Iraq

 

from Chapter VII Obligations over Return of Kuwaiti Nationals

 

Foreign Minister Hails Text as ‘Significant Step’ in Mending Bilateral Ties

 

The Security Council today decided to remove Iraq from its obligations under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter concerning the return of Kuwaiti and third-State nationals or their remains and their property seized by Iraq’s former regime during its 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

 

Unanimously adopting resolution 2107 (2013), the 15-member body welcomed the Secretary-General’s report (document S/2013/357) on that subject and called on the Iraqi Government to give the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) any information available on the Kuwaiti and third-country nationals, and to facilitate the ICRC’s access to them and their remains, as well as the ICRC’s search for missing persons and property, including Kuwait’s national archives.

 

Further to the text, the Council asked the Special Representative of the Secretary-General and the Head of the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq (UNAMI) to facilitate efforts towards that end. It also asked the Secretary-General to consider charging his Deputy Special Representative at UNAMI covering political affairs to oversee Iraq-Kuwait issues.

 

Following the adoption, Hoshyar Zebar, Iraq’s Foreign Minister, said the text marked a turning point in Iraq’s relationship with the international community and a significant step in Iraq’s and Kuwait’s joint efforts to mend bilateral ties. Further, it illustrated that Iraq had fulfilled all its obligations under Chapter VII of the Charter.

 

“All the negative aspects of the relationship between the countries have become part of the past. We will focus on the present and the future, and what the brotherly relations can achieve to consolidate peace, security and stability in the region,” Mr. Zebar said.

 

A joint ministerial committee to maintain border markers had already been set up, he said. Moving forward, they would work together to achieve sustainable development. The international community’s support was needed to aid that process, as well as to help the two nations win the war on terrorism and defeat religious extremism.

 

The meeting began at 11:04 a.m. and ended at 11:21 a.m.

 

Resolution

 

The full text of resolution 2107 (2013) reads as follows:

 

“The Security Council,

 

“Recalling its relevant resolutions on the situation between Iraq and Kuwait, in particular resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), 833 (1993), and 1284 (1999), and the reports of the Secretary-General pursuant to paragraph 14 of resolution 1284 (1999),

 

“Recognizing that the situation that now exists in Iraq is significantly different from that which existed at the time of the adoption of resolution 661 (1990), and further recognizing the importance of Iraq achieving international standing equal to that which it held prior to the adoption of resolution 661 (1990),

 

“Welcoming Iraq’s continued demonstration of its commitment to the full implementation of its outstanding obligations under the relevant Chapter VII resolutions, namely the continuation of payment of the outstanding amount of compensation administered by the United Nations Compensation Commission, and both Iraq and Kuwait’s efforts to advance regional stability, and welcoming also all the positive steps that have been taken by the Government of Iraq to fulfil resolution 833 (1993),

 

“Welcoming further the ongoing cooperation between Iraq and Kuwait in the search for missing Kuwaiti and third-country nationals within the framework of the Tripartite Commission and its Technical Subcommittee under the auspices of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), and the positive efforts by the Government of Iraq regarding the return of all Kuwaiti and third-country nationals or their remains, and the return of Kuwaiti property,

 

“Reiterating the need for continued efforts to locate and repatriate missing Kuwaiti property, including the national archives, through the Iraqi interministerial committee established for this purpose,

 

“Expressing its deep appreciation to the late Ambassador Yuli Vorontsov and Ambassador Gennady Tarasov, who in the capacity of High-level Coordinator, devoted their time and professional skills to carrying out the mandate outlined in paragraph 14 of resolution 1284 (1999) and ensuring that its implementation built trust between Iraq and Kuwait and contributed to the full normalization of their relations,

 

“Noting that the mandate of the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq (UNAMI) includes advising, supporting, and assisting the Government of Iraq in facilitating regional dialogue,

 

“With consideration to the provisions of Chapter VI of the Charter of the United Nations on the pacific settlement of disputes,

 

“1. Welcomes the report of the Secretary-General of 17 June 2013 (S/2013/357) and the letters from the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the State of Kuwait (S/2013/323, annex and S/2013/324, annex) and the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Iraq (S/2013/357, annexes II and III) to the Secretary-General;

 

“2. Calls upon the Government of Iraq, in furtherance of its commitment to facilitate the repatriation of all Kuwaiti and third-country nationals referred to in paragraph 30 of resolution 687 (1991), to continue cooperation with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) by providing any information of such persons, facilitating the access of ICRC to all such persons wherever they might be and facilitating the search by ICRC for those Kuwaiti and third-country nationals or their remains still unaccounted for, and to continue efforts to search for missing Kuwaiti property, including the national archives, through its interministerial committee;

 

“3. Decides, under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, to terminate the measures in paragraphs 2 ©, 2 (d) and 3 © of resolution 686 (1991), paragraph 30 of resolution 687 (1991) and the arrangements set forth in paragraph 14 of resolution 1284 (1999), and reaffirmed in subsequent relevant resolutions;

 

“4. Requests that the Special Representative of the Secretary-General and Head of the United Nations Assistance Mission to Iraq (UNAMI) promote, support and facilitate efforts regarding the repatriation or return of all Kuwaiti and third-country nationals or their remains, and the return of Kuwaiti property, including the national archives, seized by Iraq, further requests the Secretary-General to report separately to the Security Council on these matters in his reports on the progress made towards the fulfilment of all UNAMI’s responsibilities, and also requests that the Secretary-General consider designating the Deputy Special Representative of the Secretary-General at UNAMI covering political affairs with the responsibility for overseeing these issues and ensuring appropriate resources for this purpose;

 

“5. Expresses its intention to review the modalities of the reporting referred to in operative paragraph 4 of this resolution, upon the eventual termination of UNAMI’s mandate, with a view towards considering a continued role for the United Nations in such matters if needed;

 

“6. Decides to remain seized of the matter.”

 

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2013/sc11050.doc.htm

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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Yesterday, right after all the excitement here,

we tried to explain that by saying something like:

"they kicked the can down the road and certain terms remained and were rolled into CHVI".....

and we got lambasted pretty hard for saying so.... and so did The MACHINE.

 

'OlSarge'sGals waiting for your apology.    Shame on you.....  You know who are......

[dontlop]

yesterday most of the articles coming out of iraq were we are free of ch7 ..

 

this article is the only new  thing i found on the un web site today

[Sweet baby dinar]

Thanks for the post

[waterman13]

Gals, If you are referring to me, you get your feelings hurt pretty easily. What I was saying yesterday was It's not kicking the can down the road. IT's changing roads, they are on a new road (6). No longer on the old (7). Everyone kept trying to argue they were still in 7, or under the restrictions of 7. Not so, Is the pavement on the road 6 still black, yes. But it's not rt. 7, it's rt. 6. The speed limit just went from 35 to 75, lanes went from two to four. That is very important because of the restrictions of rt. 7. Rt. 6 doesn't have those restrictions. Do they still have things to do?, yes, that was inevitable.

 

When you see full recognition in the WTO and the HCL passed then they have arrived on the Autobahn - no speed limit.

And by the way, Machine, you know I wasn't saying anything about you, it was about Reuters. (actually several agencies reported the same thing, still under restrictions of ch 7) But when you see and hear the entire meeting with your own eyes and they clearly released them from it, you know better.

 

It's a new chapter in Iraq's history.

Unanimously Adopting Resolution 2107 (2013), Security Council Removes Iraq from Chapter VII Obligations over Return of Kuwaiti Nationals

 

No apology needed here, just facts.

GO IRAQ!

WM13

Edited June 28, 2013 by waterman13

[Nelg]

It seems simple to me, but maybe I am just a simple thinker.  Iraq has been removed from Chapter VII and is now a sovereign nation. The provisions for the accounting of those Kuwaiti soldiers/citizens missing during the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and the reparation to Kuwait or $11B have been transfer or attached to Chapter VI of the UN Sanctions.  Meaning that Iraq is formally out of Chapter VII but still needs to fulfill the requirements of law.

1.  The accounting for those lost in the conflict will go on for a long, long time.  That may be an impossible requirement for Iraq to fulfill to the Kuwaiti satisfaction.

2.  The $11B dollars will be set up on a continuing installment plan.  In my opinion, that will be removed in one payment after the release of the frozen funds to Iraq and the revaluation takes place. They will have the funds to do that immediately.  However, Iraq may decide to prolong the Kuwaiti agony by making smaller payments over a longer period of time just because they can.  

 

Go RV!!!

[rockfl9]

Right , like if you have a low interest mortgage (5%)  Why pay off early if you have a better use for the money. Just good business.

[yota691]

From another Thread about the word Sovereignty  ....If you Look at the Iraq Constitution the First Thing it states..SECTION ONE: FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES Article 1:

(The Republic of Iraq is a single, independent federal state with full sovereignty. Its system of government is republican, representative 61/27 Parliamentary 63/47 and democratic. This Constitution is the guarantor of its unity)

 

 The Sovereignty pretty much completes Iraq Constitution... Give's them Pride...In which I still think, the UN and few other agency created the Long Leash on Folks that are involved with the Political Process..at least till Mr. M departs...as always JMO....

Edited June 28, 2013 by yota691

[waterman13]

Right on brother Yota. Thanks for all that you bring to DV.

 

In my opinion:

The UN is the One World Government, who takes away peoples (Nations) Sovereignty, just as any other government in the world does it on a national scale, takes away an individual man's sovereignty, and makes them a State or Federal Citizen. Thus the individual man losses his sovereignty to the government. Just as it is perceived you have liberty, the government has taken that away. Just as Iraq has perceived liberty (sovereignty) they actually don't because of the UN. The UN could come in and do the same thing they did in 1990, take away that liberty, at the stroke of a pen.

 

The New World Order is upon us, One World Government is here people.

Mystery Babylon is built, the tower (Babel) is reaching it's peak again.

God will destroy it as He did in the beginning with the physical tower of Babel.

(history repeats itself, in the physical and the spiritual realms)

The battle is now spiritual, not physical: Ephesians 6:12

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

 

Gird up your loins, remove the scales from your eyes, the time is short.

WM13

[abby01]

There was an article yesterday in one of the Iraqi online papers, that they attacked a journalist from Twilight news.  

[k98nights]

Kuwaiti Information Minister: Iraq is not entirely out of the provisions of Chapter VII

Published in: 2:07 pm, June 28, 2013 Editor: jamal

<img width="290" height="230" src="http://ipairaq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/مجلس-الامن-الدولي.jpg" class="attachment-single-loop-half wp-post-image" alt="مجلس الامن الدولي" />

 

BAGHDAD (Iba) ... stressed the Minister of Information Sheikh Salman Al-Hamoud morning that the file of compensation owed by Iraq of Kuwait is still under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, pointing to the existence of a mechanism under the auspices of the United Nations to follow up the payment of compensation amounting to around $ 11 billion.

Sabah expressed in a statement singled out the "Radio Sawa" hoped the exit of Iraq from the provisions of Chapter VII fully, and said: "There is a part of the compensation, there is a mechanism in the joint meetings under the auspices of the United Nations in the development of mechanisms to deal with compensation. I think there is an amount of $ 11 billion remaining, and there is an understanding between the United Nations. For our part, we hope to get out of Iraq from Chapter VII and strengthen relations. "

Sabah added that the survival of some of the files under Chapter VII does not mean that Kuwait has no fears towards its northern neighbor, stressing that relations between the two countries have improved dramatically, and he said: "Never do not have fears of Iraq. All we constantly work to overcome an earlier stage. Thankfully now there is an understanding between the two countries and between the two leaderships to strengthen relations in many aspects, including cultural and media aspects, economic, and meet the requirements of Security Council resolutions and therefore out of Iraq from Chapter VII. "

For his part, Undersecretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kuwait Khaled Al-Jarallah UN Security Council Resolution important step, and added that the decision will reflect positively on Iraq's relations with Kuwait and the international community.

Jarallah explained in connection with the "Radio Sawa": "is an important step and will enable our brothers in Iraq to reach better results always in relations both at the level of the region or their relations at the international level."

Jarallah stressed that Iraq showed significant cooperation in resolving the outstanding issues with Kuwait, said: "For the missing property was vested in the international coordinator under the provisions of Chapter VII. Now assume this task UNAMI in Iraq of the United Nations. The issue of compensation was left only a few of these awards. And our in Iraq Mentzmon the brothers in the payment of such compensation, and also confirmed that they will continue to pay this compensation to the end of the last installment. "

Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari downplayed keep the file of compensation under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, said in a statement to the channel "free": "This paragraph is still present fact but there is agreement on the payment mechanism between us and the United Nations and the Kuwaitis, and these funds be applied. Is the successor arrangements for the Fund of Iraq, and we do not have any problem. This is the subject of an agreed and is not controversial. Thread outdated. I say the door to emphasize that Iraq went out completely and practically from the provisions of Chapter VII. This is in our hands, if we can pay this money today this paragraph will be a thing of the past ".

The UN Security Council has voted unanimously Thursday to Resolution No. 2107, which comes out of Iraq in part from the provisions of Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations and an end to the mission of the Special Coordinator of the United Nations responsible for my Kuwaiti missing persons and property.

And the transfer of the Security Council under resolution My Kuwaiti missing persons and property under Chapter VI to the work of the United Nations Mission to help Iraq (UNAMI) and keep them under the umbrella of the UN Security Council review.

He urged Iraq to continue his efforts in the search for missing Kuwaiti property, including the National Archives through the Joint Ministerial Commission between the two sides.

The Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said in his speech during the meeting of the Security Council on Thursday that Iraq made considerable progress in cooperation with the international community and the fulfillment of obligations due to the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

 

He stressed that his country had completed most of the outstanding issues between Iraq and Kuwait, pointing out that the first important steps began in 2007, when the Security Council passed a resolution confirms the commitment of Iraq to disarm.

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, said the Security Council resolution free the country from the shackles imposed on him because of the policies of the former regime.

He said in a speech in the wake of the decision to exit Iraq from Chapter VII removed the last obstacle to Iraq to exercise its role on the regional and international levels, stressing that Baghdad would not engage in a policy of axes.

Maliki called on the international community to stand with Iraq in the efforts to combat terrorism.

The decision by the Security Council following the submission of the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon's recommendation after receiving a joint memorandum from Kuwait and Iraq on an agreement signed by the countries in this regard.

Relates to Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations cases of threats to peace and acts of aggression, which the Security Council can take non-military measures or the use of force for the maintenance of peace and security in the event of failure of the parties to the conflict to resolve their differences.

Relations Iraq - Kuwait marked improvement, especially in the recent period where the two sides exchanged visits at the highest levels, and agreed to resolve the outstanding problems, which notably border demarcation and navigation and missing.

And entered Iraq under Chapter VII in 1990 while move the former Iraqi regime troops for the invasion of Kuwait, prompting the Security Council to pass a resolution to use force to eject Iraqi forces in a military operation with the participation of coalition forces broad international, led by the United States knew a storm desert in the January 27 general 1991. (End)

 

 

http://ipairaq.com/%d9%88%d8%b2%d9%8a%d8%b1-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a5%d8%b9%d9%84%d8%a7%d9%85-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%83%d9%88%d9%8a%d8%aa%d9%8a-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b9%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%82-%d9%84%d9%85-%d9%8a%d8%ae%d8%b1%d8%ac-%d9%83%d9%84/

[Maserati]

Gals, If you are referring to me, you get your feelings hurt pretty easily. What I was saying yesterday was It's not kicking the can down the road. IT's changing roads, they are on a new road (6). No longer on the old (7). Everyone kept trying to argue they were still in 7, or under the restrictions of 7. Not so, Is the pavement on the road 6 still black, yes. But it's not rt. 7, it's rt. 6. The speed limit just went from 35 to 75, lanes went from two to four. That is very important because of the restrictions of rt. 7. Rt. 6 doesn't have those restrictions. Do they still have things to do?, yes, that was inevitable.

 

When you see full recognition in the WTO and the HCL passed then they have arrived on the Autobahn - no speed limit.

And by the way, Machine, you know I wasn't saying anything about you, it was about Reuters. (actually several agencies reported the same thing, still under restrictions of ch 7) But when you see and hear the entire meeting with your own eyes and they clearly released them from it, you know better.

 

It's a new chapter in Iraq's history.

Unanimously Adopting Resolution 2107 (2013), Security Council Removes Iraq from Chapter VII Obligations over Return of Kuwaiti Nationals

 

No apology needed here, just facts.

GO IRAQ!

WM13

 

 

Gals, If you are referring to me, you get your feelings hurt pretty easily. What I was saying yesterday was It's not kicking the can down the road. IT's changing roads, they are on a new road (6). No longer on the old (7). Everyone kept trying to argue they were still in 7, or under the restrictions of 7. Not so, Is the pavement on the road 6 still black, yes. But it's not rt. 7, it's rt. 6. The speed limit just went from 35 to 75, lanes went from two to four. That is very important because of the restrictions of rt. 7. Rt. 6 doesn't have those restrictions. Do they still have things to do?, yes, that was inevitable.

 

When you see full recognition in the WTO and the HCL passed then they have arrived on the Autobahn - no speed limit.

And by the way, Machine, you know I wasn't saying anything about you, it was about Reuters. (actually several agencies reported the same thing, still under restrictions of ch 7) But when you see and hear the entire meeting with your own eyes and they clearly released them from it, you know better.

 

It's a new chapter in Iraq's history.

Unanimously Adopting Resolution 2107 (2013), Security Council Removes Iraq from Chapter VII Obligations over Return of Kuwaiti Nationals

 

No apology needed here, just facts.

GO IRAQ!

WM13

Excellent comparisons!

[waterman13]

Excellent comparisons!

Thanks, I just want to be on the autobahn in a Maserati Gallardo!

WM13

[SPRAYERDUDE]

Contrary to what some have rumored, this article seems to support that the remaining compensation ($11 Billion) was moved into Chapter VI, through which they can pay installments until 2015.

 

Great find, Yota!  Thanks again!! 

From what I understand payments come from the Oil Revenues and the payments made so far were made in record time! Go Iraq / Go RV

[Nelg]

The battle is now spiritual, not physical: Ephesians 6:12

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/152594-kuwait-iraq-is-still-under-chapter-vii-for-this-reason/#ixzz2XW7LTL6v

 

The battle has always been spiritual.  Our battle is NOT against governments and physical forces and never has been, but the forces of evil no matter where they are found.  Most, if not all, are the spiritual battles that take place everyday in our spiritual life.  Especially is that true when fighting against the forces that would hinder a trusting faith in Christ.  If you have faith, then you have a battle on your hand.  

Whether the "New World Order" or "UN" or  whatever country is gaining prominence makes little difference if my personal faith is not firmly grounded in Jesus Christ.  With faith in Christ and commitment to Him it matters very little if "Babylon" is raised to power.  Focus on Christ, live by and in faith, and victory over ALL wicked powers has already been declared.  WE WIN IN CHRIST!  

[Sweet baby dinar]

So now we are waiting on the 11 billion being paid before it hits?

[hame55]

 

The battle is now spiritual, not physical: Ephesians 6:12

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/152594-kuwait-iraq-is-still-under-chapter-vii-for-this-reason/#ixzz2XW7LTL6v

 

The battle has always been spiritual.  Our battle is NOT against governments and physical forces and never has been, but the forces of evil no matter where they are found.  Most, if not all, are the spiritual battles that take place everyday in our spiritual life.  Especially is that true when fighting against the forces that would hinder a trusting faith in Christ.  If you have faith, then you have a battle on your hand.  

Whether the "New World Order" or "UN" or  whatever country is gaining prominence makes little difference if my personal faith is not firmly grounded in Jesus Christ.  With faith in Christ and commitment to Him it matters very little if "Babylon" is raised to power.  Focus on Christ, live by and in faith, and victory over ALL wicked powers has already been declared.  WE WIN IN CHRIST!  

 

We WIN!!!!

 

They LOSE!!!!

 

Sure, this is what Christ taught ... let's see....in the Sermon on the Mount? Destroy others? "We have a battle on our hands"?

Kill the Muslims, the Muslim President...how did our oil get under their sand...

 

All this logically follows from your crusading talk...

[zantac]

WOW...sick of this chapter lark the only chapter we should look for now is chapter RV (Resolution get er done)    

Edited June 28, 2013 by zantac

[Nelg]

We WIN!!!!

 

They LOSE!!!!

 

Sure, this is what Christ taught ... let's see....in the Sermon on the Mount? Destroy others? "We have a battle on our hands"?

Kill the Muslims, the Muslim President...how did our oil get under their sand...

 

All this logically follows from your crusading talk...

You misunderstand the nature of "spiritual" warfare.  It has nothing to do with physically killing anyone!  The victory is one given to the saints by Christ.  Whether we live or die, the victory over evil has already been determined by His resurrection and ascension into Heaven and eternal life.  No matter what happens to the saint, we have eternal life NOW and will go into eternal glory at death.   It is has nothing to do with physically destroying anyone or anything.    Thus, we win. 

[waterman13]

Nelg, preach it brother!

WM13

[TrinityeXchange]

After re-re-reading the informatino in Chapter 7, I hate to come to the conclusion my friends that Iraq is out of Chapter VII HOWEVER not entirely.  Chapter VII is composed of multiple provisions just like peanut butter crackers inside of a snack pack.  If there are six crackers in a pack, each cracker would be a provision.  There is one cracker still left in the pack and that is the provision surrounding the $11B downpayment owed to Kuwait.  Maliki has yet to fulfill every clause. 

 

In my opinion, this is not a bad thing for our investment.  I believe this was the failsafe put in by the International Community to ensure Maliki didn't take the money (ie DFI) and run without giving us our due.  He has to enact the already passed HCL agreement and release the money.  This is when we get paid as investors.  Really it is all tying in together with the HCL which will proliferate the currency's value.  So we wait for the HCL agreement to be announced and then I believe there will be a full release from Chapter VII as Iraq will have the funds necessary to pay their bills.

 

Here is the portion that many of us seem to have missed or ignored:

 

Unanimously Adopting Resolution 2107 (2013), Security Council Removes Iraq from Chapter VII Obligations over Return of Kuwaiti Nationals

 

We saw the part written before that and assumed it meant everything under Chapter VII however the UNSC has specifically stated the PROVISION which Iraq was no longer being obligated.  In this case it is the provision over "Return of Kuwaiti Nationals".  This does not equate all of the provisions being lifted.  $11B is still to be resolved.

Edited June 28, 2013 by TrinityeXchange

[zigmeister]

One more time, they have been released from chapter 7 and moved into 6 which there they will complete their obligations.  Chapter 6 is not binding, but an invitation.  Here they can pay the 11 billion anytime and they are done.  Now because they are released they will receive their other funds held under chapter 7.  That in itself distinguishes chapter 6 from chapter 7.  Sovereignty returned, money returned, done deal.