History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

[20MillionDinar]

History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this.

It's easy to check out, if you don't believe it. Be sure and show it to your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter

whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.

Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the

United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

An old Social Security card with the "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" message.

Our Social Security

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65% on the first $90,000

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would

only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,

Under Johnson the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed

as income.

Under Clinton & Gore

Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month --

and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put

away' -- you may be interested in the following:

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the

Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.

Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve.

But it's worth a try.

How many people can YOU send this to?

[wealthhound]

Thanks 20 Mil...

You always bring us very interesting and practical info..I enjoy your postings very much

Wealthhound

[stonewall67]

I would love to see the response from some of our Obama lovers here at DV.........

[Mongo]

History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this.

It's easy to check out, if you don't believe it. Be sure and show it to your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter

whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.

Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the

United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

An old Social Security card with the "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" message.

Our Social Security

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65% on the first $90,000

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would

only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,

Under Johnson the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed

as income.

Under Clinton & Gore

Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month --

and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put

away' -- you may be interested in the following:

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the

Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.

Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve.

But it's worth a try.

How many people can YOU send this to?

But you will always have Jack Lord.............................book-em DanoB)

Edited February 22, 2012 by Mongo

[dog53]

Damm thats depressing. hahahahah Great Read man. I hate it when they call it entitlements like you should be ashamed because you think your entitled to it. HA! guess what I am. Its my money My only question is where`s my 40 years worth of intrest

[mikwsz]

History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this.

It's easy to check out, if you don't believe it. Be sure and show it to your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter

whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.

Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the

United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

An old Social Security card with the "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" message.

Our Social Security

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65% on the first $90,000

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would

only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,

Under Johnson the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed

as income.

Under Clinton & Gore

Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month --

and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put

away' -- you may be interested in the following:

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the

Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.

Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve.

But it's worth a try.

How many people can YOU send this to?

Your facts are totally incorrect and misleading. The FICA tax for SS is 12.6%, 6.2 for the employee and 6.2% for the Employer.

Yes up to 85% of your SS benefits could be taxed, but let's talk reality which whoever put this drivel together intentionally forgot to do. More than 50% of people collecting SS benefits pay no taxes. It would have been nice if you mentioned that fact.

Number 2 above is the most dumbest thing said. Salaries of average Americans have rose by at least 60 times on average from. Social Security tax has only risen 6.2 times. It would be nice to for the idiot John Birch Society member who wrote this bull crap to do better analysis.

SS revenue that isn't needed immediately is credited to the SS Trust Fund and invested in securities issued by the U.S. Treasury to fund government operations. Those bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the government.

If legal immigrants worked legally in this country and paid into SS, they are entitled to receive benefits not annuity payments. The statement above is really meant to make people believe wrongly that illegal immigrants can get SS. That is absolutely false and the JBS writer of this drivel knows it. Nobody gets a freaking dime in benefits if they have not paid into the SS system, saying otherwise is just an outright lie.

Over the last 60 years, the Republicans have destroyed this country by signing no tax pledges and under their Administrations the wealthiest Americans became even more Wealthy. Reagan has always been touted wrongly as a President that reduced the size of Government, well actually the largest percentage of government growth came during his two terms.

It is the Republican Party and the dumber than dumb Tea Party or aka John Birch Society (remember the terrorist who blew up the government building in Oklahoma City and killed hundreds of fellow Americans and several children, yes that terrorist was a member of the JBS and probably aided by them.

Well the JBS has infiltrated the Republican Party. The JBS is a racist, anti-government, basically neo-Nazis party. They are the idiots that send out these random emails. Unfortunately, a number of Americans believe this bull crap without checking out the real facts.

An more idiots like Nucleon.... post this crap on message boards.

SS reserves will last until 2036 or 2037, a few reasonable steps can ensure those reserves will be in place until 2090 or beyond.

1, Raise the payroll-tax rate to 6.5% on employees and employers over a ten year period will eliminate 40% of the shortfall expected in 2036 or 2037. By the way the shortfall will be 25%.

2. Raise the retirement age. A gradual increase from 67 to 70 by 2040 would close 65% of the gap. If your keeping track that would be 105%, leaving 5% for reserves.

3. Over 20 years, raise the cap on income subject to SS taxes, now set at 106,500 to 190,000 in incremental steps of $4200,00 per year closes 31% of the gap.

There are other reasonable solutions as opposed to the Republican Party solution of doing away with SS.

[carlos in san diego]

Thanks 20MillionDinar for bringing us this distorted set of half truths. I agree with MIKWSZ, and welcome to the forum newbie! Although I don't know as much about SS, I do know that NOBODY EVER receives SS payments unless they have paid into the system! And certainly, despite widespread beliefs, NO One who is here in this country illigally EVER receives anything from SS!

I appreciate your contributions 20MillionDinar, and with all due respect to your point of view, please post FACTS that are not slanted to promote an agenda. We get too much of it from both sides of the fence, and frankly there are too many people out there that are not too smart that swallow this dribble hook, line and sinker...the object is clear, to enfuriate people into a state of anger and rage based on distorted facts and figures.

Your thread is designed to make the left leaning party look like they have sold out our country. I don't dispute this, they have, but for the sake of fairness and objectivity please balance what you say to include the fact that the right leaning party has also been guilty of the same thing. Both parties and all of us who have unknowingly voted for them have contributed to the problem.

If you don't do this then you are promoting an agenda that is not constructive and is only designed to be devisive in a time when we need all hands on deck to do the work of the people.

It would be refreshing for a change to see honesty instead of deceipt, truthfullness intead of lies, there is plenty to talk about without resorting to negative methods.

If you don't do this then you are no better than the store bought politicians from both parties that are controlled by the elite...you are doing just what they want, so that they can divide and conquer...you are enabling them. We all need to wake up and stop this type of behaviour. It's not my intentions to be confrontational, or argumentative, but to break us all of some of the bad habits that we have acquired over the decades that we have been manipulated and brainwashed

Carlos

[turner561]

It is the Republican Party and the dumber than dumb Tea Party or aka John Birch Society (remember the terrorist who blew up the government building in Oklahoma City and killed hundreds of fellow Americans and several children, yes that terrorist was a member of the JBS and probably aided by them.

So do you have proof on the above or is that simply your opinion?

[RodandStaff]

History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this.

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65% on the first $90,000

Correction ... this figure is only applicable for employees, the company pays the balance... if you are self employed however the figure is roughly twice as much... closer to 15%... another way the govt. try's to stick it to the small business man!

Thanks for the info 20 Mill... I knew we were screwed... now I know who is responsible!

[kosman]

There are other reasonable solutions as opposed to the Republican Party solution of doing away with SS.

I think you can disagree in a nicer way<_<

However, If you really want to fix the Social Security System in a year or less just make it the official retirement plan for Congress and require them to pay into it. I am not happy with that good enough for you, but we need something better attitude. (This goes for healthcare also.)

[carlos in san diego]

Sorry to stifle the conversation with what I said further up the page people, I mean...you guys were having a lot of fun jumping on the bandwagon with the cool aid in one hand! Please continue!

Carlos

[investmentportfolio]

Thanks 20MillionDinar for bringing us this distorted set of half truths. I agree with MIKWSZ, and welcome to the forum newbie! Although I don't know as much about SS, I do know that NOBODY EVER receives SS payments unless they have paid into the system! And certainly, despite widespread beliefs, NO One who is here in this country illigally EVER receives anything from SS!

ummm....yes they can and do. I did not believe it as possible until I met some of them (plural) myself. In Southern California while on vacation I met several who were here illegally, purchased a fake social security number in Los Angeles, CA, attained further California Identification, applied for SS Disability, used the big 'win' words, "depression and Anxiety" and recieved Social Security Disability Benefits @ $960 per month.

This is happening millions of times across the country - once they can get that fake social - its downhill from there. With jobs as well, since "E-Verify" has turned out to be a crock ...

Edited March 19, 2012 by investmentportfolio

[Scrumdiddles]

The SS Card is met to give citizens of the US Corporation an opportunity to interact with commerce. The SS card is identifying the tax payer as a number and as a Straw Man (Your all capital name) otherwise a business name or a dead entity. On the back of the SS card is a bond number with a letter representing the bank of which the credit for each straw man and the number is the account number. Each person is set up with a SSN thru a birth certificate. The Berth Certificate is traded by the banks based upon the labor the straw man can provide in a life time. One thing to understand is that your strawman is the one who is sign onto the US Debt, not you the living breathing human being. You can not be a name, you can not be a picture, you can not reside on a street with a number in a city of a state, you can not be a number SSN. You are a human being and you reside in your body, your body is a vessel as indicated on your birth certificate, so long, so heavy, and what color, and your foot and hand size. Governments have tried so hard to own the body and this is the best way that they come up with. However, i do not remember signing my birth certificate nor my ssn. We were falsely entered into this contract by our parents. However when the DL is signed they got us into all the contracts by consent. We are in a corrupted slavery system that we can opt out of. You think you have freedom, liberty, sovereignty and all the good stuff, nope. You are a contracted slave of the US Corporation thru your straw man until you file your UCC1 financing statement with a security agreement between your straw man and you the human being.

So as for me do away with the SSN and taxes we do not need them. Taxes paid to the IRS is going to the debt that was created by the Federal Reserve and sign on to the people the strawman of the US. So if you would like to be liable for slavery and the debt then you are the All Capital letter name and good luck with that.

[uncirculd]

Well I blame the ones who put it in the main fund. They had no right, but what the heck we are sheeple. We really don't know who wins any of the elections cause it's full of fraud. Ron Paul most likely would have won last time. Folks are tired of just lip service and government thievery. They have been doing it for years. Every time we find their dirty little secrets they make a law to fix it as if they didn't know.

Government has gotten to big for their britches. Go back to 1 Senator and 1 Rep per state. Period. We don't need all those they elected to make laws for. All of them pretend to say that certain parts of the country is not represented. This state has more people, so give more representatives. That is what has made the States and the Fed Government BROKE! They just creating more jobs for themselves. And making us foot the bill. Now we have to work for them instead of them working for us. And getting to the point if we talk about it they want to throw us in jail, just like Mutlag in Iraq.

[carlos in san diego]

ummm....yes they can and do. I did not believe it as possible until I met some of them (plural) myself. In Southern California while on vacation I met several who were here illegally, purchased a fake social security number in Los Angeles, CA, attained further California Identification, applied for SS Disability, used the big 'win' words, "depression and Anxiety" and recieved Social Security Disability Benefits @ $960 per month.

This is happening millions of times across the country - once they can get that fake social - its downhill from there. With jobs as well, since "E-Verify" has turned out to be a crock ...

There's no chance that can happen! People seem to think SS benefits are easy to get....there are too many safeguards in the system. You got sucked in by an urban myth. To get a fake SS card you need to find the grave of someone who is about your age, and then assume his identity in order to get the state of birth to issue you a birth certificate so that you can apply for a replacement card. Do you think a million people by the name of Pedro and Pablo who probably cannot read or write above a third grade level are going to be able to jump through that many hoops, just to get to the interview window at the SS office where he falls on his face because he can't speak english! Sure! I'm going to believe that one.

Run that one past someone by the name of ....I D I O T

I'm Mexican American...I deal with these people every day....do you think I would not know the truth? Please!

The SS Card is met to give citizens of the US Corporation an opportunity to interact with commerce. The SS card is identifying the tax payer as a number and as a Straw Man (Your all capital name) otherwise a business name or a dead entity. On the back of the SS card is a bond number with a letter representing the bank of which the credit for each straw man and the number is the account number. Each person is set up with a SSN thru a birth certificate. The Berth Certificate is traded by the banks based upon the labor the straw man can provide in a life time. One thing to understand is that your strawman is the one who is sign onto the US Debt, not you the living breathing human being. You can not be a name, you can not be a picture, you can not reside on a street with a number in a city of a state, you can not be a number SSN. You are a human being and you reside in your body, your body is a vessel as indicated on your birth certificate, so long, so heavy, and what color, and your foot and hand size. Governments have tried so hard to own the body and this is the best way that they come up with. However, i do not remember signing my birth certificate nor my ssn. We were falsely entered into this contract by our parents. However when the DL is signed they got us into all the contracts by consent. We are in a corrupted slavery system that we can opt out of. You think you have freedom, liberty, sovereignty and all the good stuff, nope. You are a contracted slave of the US Corporation thru your straw man until you file your UCC1 financing statement with a security agreement between your straw man and you the human being.

So as for me do away with the SSN and taxes we do not need them. Taxes paid to the IRS is going to the debt that was created by the Federal Reserve and sign on to the people the strawman of the US. So if you would like to be liable for slavery and the debt then you are the All Capital letter name and good luck with that.

Interesting Scrum...Thanks, Carlos

[Mak63]

Run that one past someone by the name of ....I D I O T

Look in the mirror then Carlos, because I have ex- inlaws that HAVE DONE IT!!!! Including one whose life was saved from her 600 lb obess self to the tune of $500,000 in the finest medical care Houston Texas can provide. If you're truely hispanic, which I HIGHLY doubt, you know it happens every day in some form or another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mak63

[carlos in san diego]

Run that one past someone by the name of ....I D I O T

Look in the mirror then Carlos, because I have ex- inlaws that HAVE DONE IT!!!! Including one whose life was saved from her 600 lb obess self to the tune of $500,000 in the finest medical care Houston Texas can provide. If you're truely hispanic, which I HIGHLY doubt, you know it happens every day in some form or another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mak63

Mark63: I don't recall ever seeing you around. It's possible we don't frequent the same topics, according to your statement you inlaws created SS cards and ran up medical bills in Texas, that ,may be possible to deceive a hospital, but this thread was specifically speaking about the claim that illigals could get SS cards and get benefits from SS itself, and getting benefits from a hospital is not the same thing ...is it? Also I find it curious that you mentioned nothing regarding what an upstanding and responsable citizen should have done in a suspected case of fraud which would have been to report the offender(s) to the proper authorities for prosecution. I see no mention of you doing this and are therefore just as guilty as the alledged conspirators who were said to have defrauded the American people. If what you say is true then I would say that you are as guilty as they are.

As far as my being a latino...I wear my ethnicity as a badge of honor. We are a people who have strugled for our survival. I am completely secure in who and what I am. Nothing you can say will change that...personally I think your story is made up to promote your agenda.... Just in case it is true...should I assume the" 600 lb. obese self" in the story was your wife?

Maybe that explains why you did'nt report her to the authorities, the press would have been involved, they would have been all over you for an interview about the 600 lb. mastadon you married. A bit embarrasing huh?

Carlos

[Mak63]

Mark63: I don't recall ever seeing you around. It's possible we don't frequent the same topics, according to your statement you inlaws created SS cards and ran up medical bills in Texas, that ,may be possible to deceive a hospital, but this thread was specifically speaking about the claim that illigals could get SS cards and get benefits from SS itself, and getting benefits from a hospital is not the same thing ...is it? Also I find it curious that you mentioned nothing regarding what an upstanding and responsable citizen should have done in a suspected case of fraud which would have been to report the offender(s) to the proper authorities for prosecution. I see no mention of you doing this and are therefore just as guilty as the alledged conspirators who were said to have defrauded the American people. If what you say is true then I would say that you are as guilty as they are.

As far as my being a latino...I wear my ethnicity as a badge of honor. We are a people who have strugled for our survival. I am completely secure in who and what I am. Nothing you can say will change that...personally I think your story is made up to promote your agenda.... Just in case it is true...should I assume the" 600 lb. obese self" in the story was your wife?

Maybe that explains why you did'nt report her to the authorities, the press would have been involved, they would have been all over you for an interview about the 600 lb. mastadon you married. A bit embarrasing huh?

Carlos

My Carlos, aren't you the stereotypical liberal, attempting to turn an item into a personal shot at someone else, just as a conservative radio host has recently noted that liberals do:)(ditto) You've certainly proven that point. Please note that we have been around about the same length of time and I'm a little more credentialed on this forum than yourself.

With regard to your inept attempt to take a shot at me, Investmentportfolio answered a previous post and turned the discussion toward first hand knowledge of abuse by illegals of "the system". I was only adding my own personal experience of ex-inlaws, in this case a cousin of my ex-wife, who was taken to the hospital, spent 6 weeks in a combination of ICU and a private room until she was released. By law, anyones life will be saved in an emergency room in this country, and her life was saved, even though she is in this country illegally. She was given the finest care available, applied for indigent benefits through what is called a "gold card" and is not having to repay the cost of this lifesaving care which totalled near $500,000.00. We tax payers of Harris County Texas picked up the tab. As noted in this string, illegals in this country do receive benefits that they have not earned. Many work under faked circumstances (to which I'm sure you may have 1st hand knowledge) and those working in the US provide Mexico with the second greatest source of revenue to that country after its oil/gas production. If you truely are a member of the Latino community, then you know there are flagrant, blatant abuses of this countries laws and resources by members of your community. If you deny that, then you are either not tied to that community or you are being tremendously disingenuous. I have a healthy respect for Latino's. My children are chicano. I hire, develop and promote latino's who exhibit the quality's that first generation latino's bring to this country. As I'm sure you can attest, 2nd and 3rd generation latino's don't always share the work ethic of their parents and grandparents. My ex-wife, her parents and siblings are legally here in the US. I am in no way guilty of any illegalities. I am only pointing to my own first hand knowledge of an illegal immigrant that was extended life saving health benefits without having private insurance, group insurance or the ability to self pay her bill and we legal, taxpaying citizens picked up the tab.

Mak63

My Carlos, aren't you the stereotypical liberal, attempting to turn an item into a personal shot at someone else, just as a conservative radio host has recently noted that liberals do:)(ditto) You've certainly proven that point. Please note that we have been around about the same length of time and I'm a little more credentialed on this forum than yourself.

With regard to your inept attempt to take a shot at me, Investmentportfolio answered a previous post and turned the discussion toward first hand knowledge of abuse by illegals of "the system". I was only adding my own personal experience of ex-inlaws, in this case a cousin of my ex-wife, who was taken to the hospital, spent 6 weeks in a combination of ICU and a private room until she was released. By law, anyones life will be saved in an emergency room in this country, and her life was saved, even though she is in this country illegally. She was given the finest care available, applied for indigent benefits through what is called a "gold card" and is not having to repay the cost of this lifesaving care which totalled near $500,000.00. We tax payers of Harris County Texas picked up the tab. As noted in this string, illegals in this country do receive benefits that they have not earned. Many work under faked circumstances (to which I'm sure you may have 1st hand knowledge) and those working in the US provide Mexico with the second greatest source of revenue to that country after its oil/gas production. If you truely are a member of the Latino community, then you know there are flagrant, blatant abuses of this countries laws and resources. If you deny that, then you are either not tied to that community or you are being tremendously disingenuous. I have a healthy respect for Latino's. My children are chicano. I hire, develop and promote latino's who exhibit the quality's that first generation latino's bring to this country. As I'm sure you can attest, 2nd and 3rd generation latino's don't always share the work ethic of their parents and grandparents. My ex-wife, her parents and siblings are legally here in the US. I am in no way guilty of any illegalities. I am only pointing to my own first hand knowledge of an illegal immigrant that was extended life saving health benefits without having private insurance, group insurance or the ability to self pay her bill and we legal, taxpaying citizens picked up the tab.

Mak63

Mak63

[Mak63]

I'm Mexican American...

BTW Carlos, are you Mexican or American? Why do you need to consider yourself a hyphenated individual? If you were born here, you're an American. If you were naturalized (completely legal) you're an American. Why the need to wear your heritage on your sleeve?

Mak63

[tampabay6]

History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the

United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

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[carlos in san diego]

Mark63:

I am not interested in an explanation I don't have time for a *** for tat he said, she said thing with you right now, I'm sorry...The simple fact is that you claim this happens frequently yet at the time of this writing, you are the only one who has come forward with an example, a case in fact that brings up more questions than it answers. I really don't want to know what's in your closet!

I'm sorry that I put you in a corner and have to defend yourself. but you asked for it. I enterpreted your last post as offensive. intimidation does not work with me. Peace!

Carlos

[desimo]

There were some comments made earlier that needs to be addressed. Yes illegals do get social security benefits because it was Patty Murray that fought to get this done. You obviously have no real idea of JBS because they have all races in their group. They support the Constitution and would not support the terrorist bombing in OK city. This individual who was making various statements did the classic liberal move. This person sent up enough flares to try and cloud the issues with smoke. It was still the Dems who started Social security with a lie. I got such a chuckle when it was how the investment of the SS money was 'backed by the full faith and security of the federal government'. Yes some SS benefits are not taxed. The Part that I know is not taxed deals with Social Security Disability. Again it is a classic lib approach to not separate portions of an concept in an effort to refute the whole. I am glad to be receiving my SS now because it will not be there by the time I turn 65. SS is another example of a government program that started with one promise but had it changed against the American people. SS is also NOT an entitlement. It is something I paid into and it is my investment. The bottom line of this string is that the SS program was started by a Democrat and was changed by Democrats. Again the American people have been lied to by the government. Not only was the American people lied to but the government has taken their money. It was supposed to be that SS money was the person's money but it is the government's money now to be given to whomever the government feels it should receive.

[Mak63]

Mark63:

I am not interested in an explanation I don't have time for a *** for tat he said, she said thing with you right now, I'm sorry...The simple fact is that you claim this happens frequently yet at the time of this writing, you are the only one who has come forward with an example, a case in fact that brings up more questions than it answers. I really don't want to know what's in your closet!

I'm sorry that I put you in a corner and have to defend yourself. but you asked for it. I enterpreted your last post as offensive. intimidation does not work with me. Peace!

Carlos

Oh, so you're a victim........ you're showing your true liberal colors sir.

Mak63

[carlos in san diego]

I agree with you Decimo. I'm glad your getting your SS. You deserve it like we all due. SS is under attack, I agree it may not be around soon. Political parties don't matter anymore Desimo, they have both been controlled by the same mafia that controlls everything else now a days. The elite. It really did not matter mack in the days of Roosevelt. He was on their side!

He had also been corrupted. The corruption has not stopped to this day, our government is not ours like we have been led to belive from the scripted media and greedy politicians.

you know...American are not used to being exposed to corruption. The scrited media sees to that, and then most people can't even remember what they ate yesterday, let alone be able to string together a bunch of coincidenses that have led to our having a shadow government in the greatest deception ever imposed on mankind!

The Federal Reserve has printed a huge unknown number of trillions of dallars and had the US government give it to them as bailouts and all to themt, and then,...It's all being put on our tab...our national debt that they expect to be paid back to them in taxes. They basically steal money from us, loan it back to us as a debt WE must pay back to them! ... Is'nt that nice?

When the new US treasury note comes out, it will be worth 60 cents on the dollar. This will send our country into a deep poverty for a long time. The story is even bigger than that...think about it!

Our currency is being devalued because of a debt that they created and want us to pay back to them.....Unbelievable but true. And what's more unbelievable is that the American people will probably ALLOW them to do it because we habe been brainwashed by what we have been told to believe for years now. Like sheep.

A Part of the plan is to convince the American people that WE need to cut SS benefits because WE can longer afford it. Please note that I said WE. As though it's going to effect them?

They will do this through the media...and already are dropping hints (repetition) and the politicians and the media talking heads do scripts as well.

Uncertain times...Carlos

[desimo]

I have worked around many businesses that target the Mexican population here in Washington. It is a joke as to how easy it is to get a fake driver's license and SS card here. As far as it being so difficult for someone who does not speak English being able to jump through the various hoops. Around there there are specialized interpreters just for those who only speak Spanish. From what I have seen it is probably easier for a non-American to get Social Security and other benefits than for an white person. Some of that I know for a fact because I have worked with both parties. I know how difficult it is for a white male to get any benefits verses a Mexican and especially a mexican female. This is not racial. It is simply fact.

Carlos....I strongly agree with you regarding the economy and the media. We have been sold out.

Edited March 21, 2012 by desimo