"CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL unauthorized civilian firearms..."

[Nelg]

Nelg i agree but there is one more point to make, there is a segment of a society that is asleep at the wheel and headed for the cliff because they think it is a bother to get involved in affairs of this nation so they pass the buck and let it ride and ride until the curtain starts closing the wrong way. then they wake up just enough to say whats going on, what is happening. The damage is being done behind the publice curtain where you and i will not notice it until its to late...........But the sad thing is Washington knows this and they act accordingly. They are afraid now that one day in the near future there may be an uprising here and they are scared they will end up on the wrong end of the stick. So they call for all guns to be removed and i believe the last draw will be to shut down the components that make up the bullets............If our police and military are ever ordered to fire on Americans then it time to defend the constitution our way.

There are many who are asleep and unconcerned with what IS happening to our rights. As long as they are free to do and act the way THEY want to act, then everything is all right. As long as the government is financing every thing they want, then why should they get involved.

The nation needs to be awakened to the gradual elimination of our freedoms.

[TPSprayduster]

i got this blurb from fox news

Under the latest draft of the treaty, every country would be required to submit a report to the ISU outlining “all activities undertaken in order to accomplish the implementation of this Treaty, including… domestic laws, regulations and administrative measures.”

It also requires countries to set up their own government agencies to track any guns that could be exported. “Parties shall take all necessary measures to control brokering activities taking place within its territories … to prevent the diversion of exported arms into the illicit market or to unintended end users,” the draft reads.

The vague wording leaves room for interpretation, and a U.N. representative for a major U.S. gun manufacturer who spoke to FoxNews.com on the condition of anonymity told FoxNews.com that he believed it left room for the ISU to declare the registration of all American-made guns to prevent illegal exportation.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/05/proposed-un-treaty-to-regulate-global-firearms-trade-raising-concerns-for-us/#ixzz1h8MggvhT

to prevent illegal exportation. I guess Rand left that the part out. It never said to confiscated and destroy all unauthorized civilian firearms. Registar yes, confiscate no unless you are a convicted felon then you should not have to worry.

[rapidrex]

The Global Crusade Against Private Gun Ownership

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” (Thomas Jefferson)

“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” (George Washington)

Please, be warned: The United Nations, supported by Barack Obama and Hillarious Clinton, are coming for your guns by supporting the United Nations Small Arms Treaty. After the new year, the United Nations will release a final draft of the treaty, which is “camouflaged” as international arms control, supposedly meant to fight against radicalism, terrorists and global mob bosses. But, WHO WILL DECIDE what constitutes a terrorist group? Is it someone who is a member of the NRA? The Tea Party? Or perhaps, just the Republican Party?

http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2011/12/the-global-crusade-against-private-gun-ownership/

[TPSprayduster]

The Global Crusade Against Private Gun Ownership

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” (Thomas Jefferson)

“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” (George Washington)

Please, be warned: The United Nations, supported by Barack Obama and Hillarious Clinton, are coming for your guns by supporting the United Nations Small Arms Treaty. After the new year, the United Nations will release a final draft of the treaty, which is “camouflaged” as international arms control, supposedly meant to fight against radicalism, terrorists and global mob bosses. But, WHO WILL DECIDE what constitutes a terrorist group? Is it someone who is a member of the NRA? The Tea Party? Or perhaps, just the Republican Party?

http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2011/12/the-global-crusade-against-private-gun-ownership/

Again if you are not a convicted felon who cannot own a gun then you should not worry. Everyone has forgotten that part. If you cannot legally own a gun then you should worry. Just another ploy for the NRA to gain more membership to buy more political influence.

[CrappieShark]

My two cents. If a burglar comes into my home that burglar has already showed intent to harm and kill. Every burglar knows that the person in any home may have some sort of protection and would be willing to protect their family and home. So entry says it all. Intent is there. I will not discuss anything with a burglar. I will shoot to kill and then shoot again to make sure. As far as gun control goes in the USA the lines are clearly being drawn. Watch the videos of Ron Paul campaigning. I seen one that sent cold chills up my spine. In one of them he is questioned by the republican party about his affiliation as a republican and whether they would even indorse him. The next statements make bare what has happened in this country. The Republican party in the White House cannot be differentiated between the Democratic Party. These people are all ultra liberal in their views. Conservatives were always considered anti abortion, homosexuality, sex crimes, drug abuse, etc and pro gun owners. Ron Paul said there is no lines to seperate these people and then went on to say he also felt as though these were freedoms. His stance is one that is Pro-Constitution of the USA and is Pro-People and less government. Other than that He also is not a conservative. We do not have fair representation in government anymore. It is a government of the government, by the goverment, and for the government. The laws they are passing are to protect them and to help them have more power and destroy every law and our constitution that stands in their way. We are heading for civil war with a quickness. If our military will be on the side of the people we need them to arrest these clowns and have a new election after destroying and repealing all of the laws that have enabled this group of anti-american career politicians to get this far with the destruction of the America I grew up in. I saw a broadcast by MSNBC where Obama recently said he was planning on building a political regime that would require placing people in detention for their own good. A political Regime! And that they may have to be in detention for a indeterminate amount of time. With no charges and no proof of a crime being committed. This man acted as though it is a foregone conclusion he would be in office here for a long time. Time enough to build a regime! Better wake up folks. This is for real.

[mojack]

Sure don't right now..., but you can contact the office in Fredericksburg Va, or the National Association For Gun Rights.

What a little instigator you are? You have no idea of a fact. Your role is to be a gutless sissy by posting narratives based on stupidity. Guess you got your rise.

[InNoViSiOn]

Trust me when I say I'm all for protecting yourself and your family with firearms.

But just because someone breaks into your house does not necessarily mean you have to kill them... It all depends on the situation but if someone breaks in to steal something I would try and neutralize him in a less then lethal way. If things got crazy like they had a weapon or something, then I do agree you have the right to kill them in your house IF they threaten you. Like I said, it all depends on the situation. If a gang of people try a home invasion with guns, take them out. If a homeless man breaks in looking for food and water... People do stupid things and that doesn't mean they should die for it. This is just me personally...

[DinarMillionaire]

They'll chip away little by little, if we aren't vigilant. They'll start with reasons and excuses to register all guns, like the failed "Fast and Furious" gun running SCHEME they tried to pull off. Then, when they think they have them registered, they'll say we know what you got, now turn them in. Don't think so? Research how other countries were duped into this.

------- below is an excerpt from an article about Australia... If it happens elsewhere they'll think they can make it happen here.

American hunters, especially those who hunt on western public lands-- take notice! Someday soon we will face the same problem on federal and state lands.

The anti-gun movement is the creature of the most radical leftist elements of the world wide socialist movement. The tactics are the same, with only slight propaganda alterations to fit each country. It's not surprising that the internationalist nose of the United Nations poked its way into the gun issue. The Sport Shooters Association of Australia stated that they had been "aware of a connection between the United Nations {UN} and Australia's new so-called 'national' gun laws." Look no further than the UN Security Council's pronouncements; they endorsed sweeping gun control measures, including a ban on private ownership of assault rifles.

Secretary-General Kofi Annan called for ways to reduce the global stockpile of some 500 million handguns, rifles, shotguns and assault weapons.

We gun owners are not just fighting for our gun rights; we are fighting for all our freedoms. The Second Amendment just happens to be the linch-pin.

Read more

[InNoViSiOn]

Trust me when I say I'm all for protecting yourself and your family with firearms.

But just because someone breaks into your house does not necessarily mean you have to kill them... It all depends on the situation but if someone breaks in to steal something I would try and neutralize him in a less then lethal way. If things got crazy like they had a weapon or something, then I do agree you have the right to kill them in your house IF they threaten you. Like I said, it all depends on the situation. If a gang of people try a home invasion with guns, take them out. If a homeless man breaks in looking for food and water... People do stupid things and that doesn't mean they should die for it. This is just me personally...

[parmenio]

What a little instigator you are? You have no idea of a fact. Your role is to be a gutless sissy by posting narratives based on stupidity. Guess you got your rise.

Got under your skin again!

[Heavyduty053]

What a little instigator you are? You have no idea of a fact. Your role is to be a gutless sissy by posting narratives based on stupidity. Guess you got your rise.

Mojack there is no sense in attacking someones opinion with words like that of a subject regardless of what it is. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[parmenio]

Mojack there is no sense in attacking someones opinion with words like that of a subject regardless of what it is. You should be ashamed of yourself.

This site has ALWAYS allowed its members the freedom to express an opinion and at times debate it fervently. And that, we can thank Adam and the mods who let us to "do our thing." However it's disconcerting, at least to me, when people who do not agree with a point of view or can't defend their's turn sophomoric and resort to personal attacks by name calling. SAD that such was the display evident here!!! Like they say "if you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen!"

Thanks to the mods who keep us ALL in line..., Merry Christmas and GO RV!!.

[mojack]

Got under your skin again!

Negative instigation and ignorance can do it... but I enjoy

Heavy... absolutely nothing wrong with defensive opinions. You're doing the same.

Although when someone uses EDITED persuasion or a notion to express their half-truth sentiments without any conclusions to gain biased support from people who take this site as news - AN ATTACK COULD BE WARRANTED without shame.

[parmenio]

Negative instigation and ignorance can do it... but I enjoy

Heavy... absolutely nothing wrong with defensive opinions. You're doing the same.

Although when someone uses EDITED persuasion or a notion to express their half-truth sentiments without any conclusions to gain biased support from people who take this site as news - AN ATTACK COULD BE WARRANTED without shame.

"Edited persuasions"..., "half truths"... you guys wrote the book on that! All you have to do buddy is prove statements wrong and have the backbone to debate your point of view without name calling!

"AN ATTACK COULD BE WARRANTED." What an immature statement! Haven't learned a damn thing today..., have you? Need to grow up!!

[mojack]

"Edited persuasions"..., "half truths"... you guys wrote the book on that! All you have to do buddy is prove statements wrong and have the backbone to debate your point of view without name calling!

"AN ATTACK COULD BE WARRANTED." What an immature statement! Haven't learned a damn thing today..., have you? Need to grow up!!

Grow up and post authenticated information! Complete immaturity on your part. So many of you think it's cool to post rephrased BS or just post data without due diligence. That's what this book is about... You're posting the BS before verifying... you can't handle the proof! .... haven't you learned it's impolite?

Like you said... you post and just let society decide whether it's true or not.... That's grade school.

Edited December 21, 2011 by mojack

[parmenio]

Grow up and post authenticated information! Complete immaturity on your part. So many of you think it's cool to post rephrased BS or just post data without due diligence. That's what this book is about... You're posting the BS before verifying... you can't handle the proof! .... haven't you learned it's impolite?

Like you said... you post and just let society decide whether it's true or not.... That's grade school.

Who made YOU the policeman of the site? Got a problem, take it up with the site admins. Like I said GROW UP!

[mojack]

Who made YOU the policeman of the site? Got a problem, take it up with the site admins. Like I said GROW UP!

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[JAT1980]

Grow up and post authenticated information! Complete immaturity on your part. So many of you think it's cool to post rephrased BS or just post data without due diligence. That's what this book is about... You're posting the BS before verifying... you can't handle the proof! .... haven't you learned it's impolite?

Like you said... you post and just let society decide whether it's true or not.... That's grade school.

[reveldog]

GOMO+1

[stargazer55]

SNIP

I guess Rand left that the part out. It never said to confiscated and destroy all unauthorized civilian firearms. Registar yes, confiscate no unless you are a convicted felon then you should not have to worry.

Wow! You need to bone up on your history my friend and research how weapons have been previously confiscated by tyrannical governments. Gun registration provided them with the data they needed to easily find them & round them up. If you don't think it can happen here, think again. The police in New Orleans used gun registration data to illegally seize weapons from LEGAL OWNERS in its community during hurricane Katrina.

Remember, personal protection wasn't the only reason for the 2nd amendment.

See what our founding fathers had to say on the matter:

I can tell you that, as former Police Chief, if I were asked to round up the weapons from the citizens in my community I wouldn't do it. But I know others that would.

Freedom in this world is a rare thing and it takes extraordinary vigilance to preserve it. That's why opponents of liberty have been whittling at it a little bit at a time so that it's almost unnoticeable. Before you know it, Poof! It's gone.

Regards

[cranster]

Obama placed the USA under Interpol ran by the French to confiscate our weapons. The French don't mess around. They'll shoot & ask questions after they kick down your door & trample over your spouse.

neither do well armed rednecks. None of whom would have a problem shooting the french as soon as they step on their property.

[Anti This Anti That]

"...to Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons."

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You're really greeting a burglar/intruder in your home with a semi automatic weapon...and what would be the point of that besides an irrational need to go to jail because you will kill and destroy a heck of a lot more than just the offender. I don't own guns and don't claim to desire to. I have understanding for reasonable gun ownership in a residential setting to protect yourself. But pleeeze explain to me why owning a semi automatic weapon for private use is sensible, for yourself or anyone private around you. I understand the record stands that few crimes are committed by registered users of them...rather logical, but if someone could tell me what "high" you get out of owning one. I also know that for many people in the U.S. just the right, the ability to do so is precious, but I have difficulty relating to it. Having grown up in Europe must have left a larger impression on me that I thought. When I hear about found arsenals of weapons in people's cellars for "private use" I wonder who has lost contact to reality here. How many horrible crimes/accidents could have been prevented and their effect minimized if those semi automatic weapons wouldn't be available to private people. And I'm not saying I'm naive enough to think that the ones trying to commit a crime know that they are available thru other channels as well. Licensing is a filter but not a preventative measure based on what still goes on in our world.

Is the need to have a certain right, even if it is completely useless for legal use of my time, more important than the safety of everyone around me...again in a private setting.

If someone has the time and wants to take time to communicate their feelings about this, I would love to discuss. It's one of the few things after having lived here most of my adult life, that I still don't understand...the lack of thinking about the community and the effect of one person's "rights" on it.

Ever heard of We The People? We the people must have the same weapons, or as close to the same weapons as the military or police, because if they decide to turn tyrant on us, which it appears to be going in that direction, then we can deal with it much better, than with a hand gun, sling shot, or BB gun. Now do you see why we must keep and bear these arms? I am a woman, and I have 12 rifles, most semi automatic, 5 shot guns, and 17 various handguns with much ammo. It's our right, and we intend on keeping that right. Like the old saying goes, give me liberty, or give me death. I do not intend to be enslaved, or ruled over by a tyrant government, or dictator.

[Shabibilicious]

WOW!!!! 34 weapons. Tuck and roll. That aircraft dropping the "chemtrail" is circling the compound. Do you collect weapons as a hobby, or are they for survival? How will you use these weapons? Do you have them stashed throughout the property? Do you have many in your family, which requires you to have so many weapons? You can't use them all at once can you? That being said.....impressive arsenal.

GO RV, then BV

[Anti This Anti That]

I know people believe Snopes but according to statements made by Hillarious Clinton, which can easily be googled and found, she DOES support this UN proposition and DOES think it is a good idea. From what I have been seeing coming out of Snopes I am beginning to suspect that they are about as left leaning as our administration. During the election I was watching Snopes. They would offer huge rebuttals for things against obama but not much at all regarding anyone opposing Obama. Snopes also nullified any question about Obama's birth. Before people have a heart attack calling me a 'birther' please ask yourself how much a person who even remotely tried to investigate you could find? I know I have kids I grew up with in grade school. I know I have relatives and friends of my relatives who know about me. I have records from church. I have records from school. The hospital I was born in has records of my mother being admitted. There are records made by the administring doctor. There are friends who knew my mother when she was expecting me. Please ask yourself why there are no such records for Obama? What is known is miniscule compared to what would be found on anyone else. I'm not a political figure. I'm just a no body. But I know if someone googled my name that things would show and if someone wanted to dig they would find me. No body unless you are part of the witness protection program is as sterile and non-existant as Obama.

Snopes is full of crap, and a left wing liberal rag, and a huge part of America's problems.

[Anti This Anti That]

WOW!!!! 34 weapons. Tuck and roll. That aircraft dropping the "chemtrail" is circling the compound. Do you collect weapons as a hobby, or are they for survival? How will you use these weapons? Do you have them stashed throughout the property? Do you have many in your family, which requires you to have so many weapons? You can't use them all at once can you? That being said.....impressive arsenal.

GO RV, then BV

I bought some, some were inherited, but they are not all in one basket. I only keep three in my home, the rest are in a safe place. My employee's are armed at all times, and my property is well secured with sensors etc. I also have a few good dogs that are very well trained. Better safe than sorry.