So now we question the good guys?

[asiegel674]

Dear Chuckst3r

It takes a lot to get me to post these days, I had my fill of the boards and the chats back 12 months ago and sort of gave up on them just after Jan 1st rolled around. At that point I saw progress being made and figured we would see the fruits of this investment pay off sometime in the near future, could be a few weeks, could be a few months, but certainly before the year 2012. While I may have put the dinar in the drawer for the time being I still kept up on the news, always up for a juicy rumor even if it’s just for a laugh, always want to see who the latest Guru is and how quickly the fade, it’s a nice little distraction this Dinar World we play in. To me, one of the best things about this investment is the people I have met, both on the boards and in the chats. To be very honest with you, it’s a cast of characters but they are for the most part a great bunch of people and some who have truly become friends. One of those people who have become a close friend is someone you seem to also have taken a shine to, my friend Scooter.

When I first started on DV, I was in amazed (and quite skeptical) at the rock star status that was given this man. Literally when he came into chat the room stopped so he could speak. When he posted, the responses were all praising the hard work he put in. It was not until one night in chat, it was a bit quiet, I was able to engage the man one-on-one. What I found was someone who was highly intelligent, someone who was not about hype, and someone who not only did his research, but was open to others opinions. We chatted and I started to understand his goals in participating in this venture. He wants to educate the people involved, he truly wants to get people to think for themselves rather than follow. He will be the first to tell you that his research is not the end all of the discussion, but it is the springboard that hopefully brings new ideas and research from other people to the table.

Ok, now that the background is out of the way, I would like to ask, why do you have such an attacking style towards the man? If you do not agree with his research, make your counter points, post articles, come up with your own Trifecta theory and post it. If you don’t like the fact that Scooter has been nice enough to do some guest appearances on people’s chats, calls etc, well, not sure what to tell you other than the fact that Scooter is just too dang nice to say “No” to people. I will give you this, Rudy is most likely not the person I will be investing with Post RV, but then again, I can say that about most of the so-called Gurus who have a hidden agenda post RV. Let’s be honest, when this thing pops you will have a lot of people with more money in their pockets then they ever dreamed of, whether you own one $25k note or you own $25MM dinar. The flip side is most of those people will be looking to invest that money, and who better to invest it with then someone you have come to rely on for information and who has never seemed to guide you wrong. Please, don’t put Scooter in that category. The man has never given dates and rates. Does he say that there are windows of opportunity, milestones, does he look at what budgets say for potential rates, YES, does he say it’s happening tomorrow and the button has been pushed, NO, never has, never will.

Now Chuck, back to you, let’s see, you joined this site at the end of May, haven’t made that many posts, sees that really you just have it out for Scooter. Either that or you are someone who has been banned from DV before and is now just coming back in some other form, yeah that happens a lot. Seems your issue is quite personal with Scooter, as I don’t see you posting anything about Okie, Blaino, The PTR or PD guys, or any of the other dozens of so called gurus out there. Instead you pick the one person who has done some real good not just for this site, but for the dinar world in general. Seem a bit suspect to me, but hey, I only come out to play now and again so maybe I am simply not up on the latest bashings that are taking place right now. Maybe since I have been gone we attack the researchers and newshounds like Scooter, Breitling, Enoch8 and Highlander, and if you don’t know all those names, well then you should, because they will educate you on real facts, not pumper theories. If you issue with Scooter is that he associates himself with people who potentially may be frauds or are out to get your money post RV, well then in that case there are not too many sites he would be able to participate in now would, as every site owner has post RV plans for your money, all sites make money either through membership fees, VIP fees, or through banner ad sales, even the great Adam Montana who has his Post RV group ready to go down in Belize.

So Chuck, what’s the deal? Do you fancy yourself the protector of the lemmings who don’t know any better? Did you yourself get taken and now feel the need to save others? Or are you simply an agitator, someone who likes to throw bombs and see what trouble he can cause? Don’t worry, you are not the first, you won’t be the last, and if that is what makes you happy all the power to you. But what I can tell you is that all you have done is take someone who did a lot of good for this investment and provided a lot of real insight and caused him to potentially just walk away. Not because he is hiding something Chuck, not because he can’t defend himself to you or to others, but simply because he has a life, a business to run, and there is too much energy wasted explaining things to people like yourself to make it worthwhile anymore. I know, I reached that point a long time ago, sometimes being right and doing the right thing doesn’t make you right in the eyes of the masses.

In closing, Chuck, anytime you want to get all those feelings off your chest, let me know, I would be glad to listen, but understand, you picked on the wrong guy, and the masses are the ones who will pay for it. Lucky for me, I talk to Scooter on a regular basis, he is a friend and we speak often. After all is said and done, we will be friends long after we have cashed in, what will you have?

Best of luck

Asiegel674

PS: Adam Montana, I would have expected you to have been a bit more diplomatic in your approach. Scooter has been a friend and colleague to you and has brought a lot of news, research and other things to your site, where you make your living. Big mistake to step on someone’s toes like that who has stuck by you, but then again, this will all be over soon enough and we will all be off to bigger and better things.

[BanG]

WHAT??? I too have spoken many times on the phone with Scooter, he is an honorable man and very very wise. Chuckst3r you pissed in the WRONG Canteen Numbnuts! We can come back to you later for more amusement. Now onto the most important piece in all this.

I just got off the phone with Scooter and because of the stalking and verbal abuse by one of our own none other than Chuckst3r + several others, Scooter is taking some time off and going to spend time with his family. This whole DAMN thing makes me enraged that some few mental morons would attack the good character and honor of such a man like Scooter who works 100's of hours compiling his research then boiling it down so simple shiit for Brains people like Chuckst3r can look at the pictures and try to follow along. This is the biggest shame I have seen in my time here at this site. I'm Appalled and do not blame Scooter one bit. As for our camel shiite warrior he clearly missed his medication one to many days. Peace.

[ThePeoplesChamp]

chuck@pwoned.com

[Darin]

Looks like I missed out on something. Was this a recent bashing?

We come here for facts, news, information, and so forth.

General rule of thumb? Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

Now, Pumping gurus have a different idea of food, but if we can separate those pumping gurus from real members who research, we will be in the clear.

[merry1]

OH geez, so now we're back to censorship? Everyone has the right to his or her opinion. Last time I checked it was still America. Beside that I don't think Scooter has such a thin skin that he would get upset over someone who didn't agree.

[ROACH]

I must say that I totally agree with the initial post.

I for one appreciate the post from Scooter and his documentation/opinions that he gave with them in the past. Most "experts" on here are full of you know what and is a waste of everybodys time.

And for the sensorship, it's like opinions. If you don't like it, you don't have to bash the man. Look in the mirror and think how you would feel if you took some of your valuable time to research and post for other peoples benefits, only to be jumped on.

"If you can't say something nice about someone, keep your mouth/fingers shut"

[usndiver]

WHAT??? I too have spoken many times on the phone with Scooter, he is an honorable man and very very wise. Who's trashing him??? Link Please?

[ZigsQuote]

I must say that I totally agree with the initial post.

I for one appreciate the post from Scooter and his documentation/opinions that he gave with them in the past. Most "experts" on here are full of you know what and is a waste of everybodys time.

And for the sensorship, it's like opinions. If you don't like it, you don't have to bash the man. Look in the mirror and think how you would feel if you took some of your valuable time to research and post for other peoples benefits, only to be jumped on.

"If you can't say something nice about someone, keep your mouth/fingers shut"

Spot On ROACH.

OK, lets try to make this quick and painless.

Can we all just say AMEN to that ?

[Darin]

OH geez, so now we're back to censorship? Everyone has the right to his or her opinion. Last time I checked it was still America. Beside that I don't think Scooter has such a thin skin that he would get upset over someone who didn't agree.

Interesting that your upset about someone speaking of their own opinion. So the majority agree that no one should bash Scoot and his research.

What's wrong with that? Nothing is being censored... Just a vast majority trust & like Scoot. There is not questioning that, really.

So you make the statement that you make, when the original poster typed out an in-depth opinion themselves.

Not everyone will like what they read, but, I doubt we see it censored. (Locked topics usually happen due to US political discussions that turn to bash fests or duplicate material such as articles).

I am by no means attempting to stir the pot here, just trying to help people see things more clearly.

[goldengoose]

Good evening All,

The below information was gathered from an original post, which began on 14 June 2011 at 2:48am by 'Chuckst3r' and continued through 15 June 2011 where Adam Montana provided insight to the topic as well (his post is included).

I believe this is what 'asiegel674' was making reference too! Please correct me if I am wrong 'asiegel674'.

Thank you,

GG

Posted 15 June 2011 - 08:25 PM

Adam Montana, on 15 June 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

Scooter, I would hate to see you continue teaming up with these guys in any way at all - I hope you ask the tough questions that you know need to be asked, and I also hope you completely denounce your relationship with them - in public. I don't fault you for being naive and working with them in the past, but in light of the FACTS that have been brought up in this thread... you would be remiss to do anything but what I suggested just now.

Rude C. was banned from here for good reason - many of them are listed above. The guy is nobody I would want to associate with, and I think the reasons have been shown beyond any reasonable doubt by the posts in this thread.

Adam Montana,

Thank you for taking the time to address the details of this thread.

tmcgraw,

Thank you for your support and contribution to providing said FACTS. Much appreciated!

Scooter,

I second what Adam said. Also, it appears to me that I may have been a bit coarse in my earlier reply to you. Consider this my public apology for whatever offenses or hurt feelings you incurred on my behalf, valid only AFTER your full compliance to the terms expressed by Adam Montana above. Sorry, but that's just how I California Roll. At any rate, nice job on this afternoon's DD webcast and keep it up!

Aloha All,

chuckst3r

This post has been edited by chuckst3r: 15 June 2011 - 08:29 PM

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[WorkerBee]

Chuckst3r actually praised Scooter for his research and information that he brought to the board. He was questioning Scooter's affiliation with someone who he felt was a scam artist. Chuckst3r backed up this information with links to articles surrounding suspect activities. His argument was heated but he was really just asking for an explanation of why Scooter, who we all know to be a good guy, would team up/associate with him. Chuckst3r actually had a lot of respect for Scooter. I guess nobody gets a free pass and maybe that's a good thing.

By the way, I love Scooter's posts and I believe he is an upfront an honest person. I feel like I personally have no right to demand an explanation from him. His actions will speak louder than words anyway. You go Scooter.

[Gibbs427]

Heya Chuck, you might wanna check your shoes .......I think you might have stepped in something!

[F-16Pilot]

Yeah, I have to admit, while Chuckst3r comes across very caustic and with a good deal of arrogance, his underlying point has merit. I think we all agree, when Scooter talks, we all listen. He is one of the very few on this board who could say we are going to RV tomorrow and most would not challenge him. Because he has attained that status on this board, I guess it is important that he maintains an image befitting his reputation. Chuckst3r merely asked, without mincing words, if Scooter realized the implications of hanging out with such a shady character and to distance himself from Rudy in order to not tarnish his reputation as a trustworthy contributor (and all-around really smart guy) to this forum. I guess there could have been a multitude of ways Chuckst3r could have broached the subject, but for whatever reason, he chose the most volatile. His point was still a valid one however, no disrespect to Scooter.

Edited June 18, 2011 by F-16Pilot

[Markinsa]

Yeah, I have to admit, while Chuckst3r comes across very caustic and with a good deal of arrogance, his underlying point has merit. I think we all agree, when Scooter talks, we all listen. He is one of the very few on this board who could say we are going to RV tomorrow and most would not challenge him. Because he has attained that status on this board, I guess it is important that he maintains an image befitting his reputation. Chuckst3r merely asked, without mincing words, if Scooter realized the implications of hanging out with such a shady character and to distance himself from Rudy in order to not tarnish his reputation as a trustworthy contributor (and all-around really smart guy) to this forum. I guess there could have been a multitude of ways Chuckst3r could have broached the subject, but for whatever reason, he chose the most volatile. His point was still a valid one however, no disrespect to Scooter.

I'm sure if someone would have pointed this out to Scooter in a PM, he would have been a lot more receptive to it, than doing in public for everyone to see. It was definately handled WRONG. IMO.

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[lawdog32]

Asiegel674,

Couldn't agree with you more! And now we have in fact run Scooter off. Unbelievable!!!

[F-16Pilot]

I'm sure if someone would have pointed this out to Scooter in a PM, he would have been a lot more receptive to it, than doing in public for everyone to see. It was definately handled WRONG. IMO.

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You're absolutely right. It seemed to be less about calling out Scooter and more about Chuckst3r wanting to show off his writing skills. His point wasn't so wrong, but his delivery was. Its a real shame because we've lost a major asset to this forum because of it. Well I suppose Chuckst3r doesn't need to be concerned about who Scooter hangs out with now.

[MrRich]

Well said, Asiegel674. There is a right way and a wrong way to address somebody of Scooter's stature. Acting like a smartass punk lecturing a man old enough to be your dad with far more credentials and respect is of course the wrong way.

[Zekiel]

Asiegel674,

Couldn't agree with you more! And now we have in fact run Scooter off. Unbelievable!!!

Ditto! Like we do not already have enough drama queens, elsewhere.

Scooter does not need to answer to any of this blather. His credibility speaks for itself.

Chuck, seems to me, all this discussion would be better placed.... holding the lithium laced salt licks and flouride flavored koolaid tanks to account.

Just Sayin'

[foghorn leghorn]

WHAT??? I too have spoken many times on the phone with Scooter, he is an honorable man and very very wise. Chuckst3r you pissed in the WRONG Canteen Numbnuts! We can come back to you later for more amusement. Now onto the most important piece in all this.

I just got off the phone with Scooter and because of the stalking and verbal abuse by one of our own none other than Chuckst3r + several others, Scooter is taking some time off and going to spend time with his family. This whole DAMN thing makes me enraged that some few mental morons would attack the good character and honor of such a man like Scooter who works 100's of hours compiling his research then boiling it down so simple shiit for Brains people like Chuckst3r can look at the pictures and try to follow along. This is the biggest shame I have seen in my time here at this site. I'm Appalled and do not blame Scooter one bit. As for our camel shiite warrior he clearly missed his medication one to many days. Peace.

Well said Bang...

[bodeen]

Well said, Asiegel674. There is a right way and a wrong way to address somebody of Scooter's stature. Acting like a smartass punk lecturing a man old enough to be your dad with far more credentials and respect is of course the wrong way.

Sorry friend,,,,, but the call out came from more than just the " smartass punk " in that thread...... Just sayin

[DaveH]

Scooter did what he had to do. He left the dinar world, not DV. These scooter threads will be shut down as they pop up. We all miss scoots, but time to move on. Closing thread.