Trump. One Term?

[Shabibilicious]

2 minutes ago, Pitcher said:

 

 

We could deal deal with it just fine by double charging the northern states for our West Texas Crude.  How does 7-8 bucks a gallon sound.  

 

BTW, both of these statements are bs.  We are a country and we better start acting like one.  Border Security is a National Issue.  

 

Typical, gouge your American brethren for West Texas Crude rather than have Mexico pay for your Border Security.    Kind of sounds like you knew Trump couldn't deliver on his Mexico paying promise from the get go.

 

GO RV, then BV

[nstoolman1]

Southern states are only the gateway in. All states are affected by it. All Americans are affected by it. 

Democratic leaders are all screaming "immoral and racist" but they voted for this same wall a few years back. 

Can't it both ways. 

[Shabibilicious]

Just now, nstoolman1 said:

Southern states are only the gateway in. All states are affected by it. All Americans are affected by it. 

Democratic leaders are all screaming "immoral and racist" but they voted for this same wall a few years back. 

Can't it both ways. 

 

All Trump has to do is provide protection for the Dreamers and this all goes away.....he'll get his "border security" funds and a giant Kudos from his base.

 

GO RV, then BV

[caz1104]

1 minute ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

That sounds like a great idea....let the southern border states deal with the Wall....see if they can convince Mexico to pony up the dough.

 

GO RV, then BV

Of course I'm talking in totality terms

[nstoolman1]

All Trump and Congress have to do is follow the Constitution and all of this goes away. 

Protecting the U.S. Is in the Constitution, DACA is not. Dreamers are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who have broken the law. 

Deport them and have them go through the process legally. 

Why is that so hard to understand. 

And even if Trump did as you suggest, they would still want him impeached because of their hate for him. 

[Shabibilicious]

2 minutes ago, caz1104 said:

Of course I'm talking in totality terms

 

Sure, I get that.....We here in the Buckeye state will patrol Lake Erie for any migrant boat people trying to invade Cedar Point from Canada.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[new york kevin]

Trump one term ... NOPE. TWO TERMS ... YUP.  The Dems and or HRC's death squads may kill him first as was done to JFK and RK; absent that two terms fo sho.  

[caz1104]

56 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

I understand how the system works, but I don't have to like it. Just like our president...

Who knew.....certainly couldn't tell by your posts (sarcastic)

[bostonangler]

Just now, caz1104 said:

Who knew.....certainly couldn't tell by your posts (sarcastic)

 

Funny me and the prez agree on this one..

 

B/A.

[caz1104]

27 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Sure, I get that.....We here in the Buckeye state will patrol Lake Erie for any migrant boat people trying to invade Cedar Point from Canada.  

 

GO RV, then BV

no worries about that...........Canadians still unsure of what country they live in anyway

[new york kevin]

34 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

All Trump has to do is provide protection for the Dreamers and this all goes away.....he'll get his "border security" funds and a giant Kudos from his base.

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Hey, Beavis, the Republicans and Trump already provided 2 DACA fixes with almost all of the points the Dems wanted . With the exception of securing the border first. Please recall that Regan provided amnesty for all illegal aliens in the US at that time, with an agreement to pass and build border security soon there after.  The Dems have demonstrated a pattern of deception in negotiations, therefore they cannot be trusted . The Republicans must get the deal done now, with the understanding that if it is not written in the bill/contract and funded then it will never happen.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/how-daca-changed-this-dreamers-life/

 

Republican Senators Thom Tillis, James Lankford and Orrin Hatch unveiled their latest immigration reform effort, a first step toward fixing the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program which the Trump administration recently announced it was rescinding. 

The three senators announced the SUCCEED Act (Solution for Undocumented Children through Careers Employment Education and Defending our nation), which they called a "fair and compassionate" merit-based solution to issues facing undocumented children currently in the U.S.

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Pursue one or a combo of three merit-based pathways to earn conditional status. #SUCCEEDAct

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"If you work hard, follow the law and pay your taxes, you can stay here permanently," Sen. Tillis promised Dreamers.

The proposed legislation mandates that in order to receive "conditional status" in the U.S., a recipient must be maintaining gainful employment, pursuing higher education or serving in the U.S. military. 

Under the bill, eligibility for protective status includes having arrived in the U.S. before the age of 16 years, holding a high school diploma or equivalent, passing an extensive criminal background check, submitting biometric data to the Department of Homeland Security and being able to pay off any existing federal tax liabilities. 

Tillis said it was very important that Congress not implement a policy that allows the line to be skipped, and the plan, he said, should also prevent "chain migration," a term used to describe how the immigration system prioritizes family members.

After five years of gainful employment, earning a degree or military service, a recipient would then become eligible for a second round of 5-year protected status. After which, the Senators said an individual can then apply for a green card to jumpstart the naturalization process. 

While Tillis critiqued the DREAM Act, which was re-introduced by Sens. Lindsey Graham and **** Durbin, for not being conservative enough, and for the fact that it has "failed every single time," he told reporters on Monday that he was open to including Democrats in the immigration bill  conversations.

"We are willing to talk with anyone providing certainty to these children, let politics get checked at the door, let's provide something on a bipartisan basis to these children and young adults in this country," said Tillis. 

He added, noting his confidence in the bill's future, that "on the whole, we have a bigger base to draw on in the Senate and a bigger base that's important to draw on in the House to get this to the president's desk." 

Meanwhile, bill co-sponsor James Lankford of Oklahoma said immigration poses as an "unresolved issue that continues to get harder every single year."

WASHINGTON, DC - SEPTEMBER 25: U.S. Sen. James Lankford (R-OK) (R) speaks as Sen. Thom Tillis (R-ND) (L) listens during a news conference to announce the "SUCCEED Act" September 25, 2017 at the Capitol in Washington, DC. Sens Tillis and Lankford introduced a bill to address the undocumented status of immigrants who were brought to the U.S. illegally when they were children.ALEX WONG / GETTY IMAGES

He stressed that the SUCCEED Act was not a "stand-alone bill," and  the greater issues of immigration need also need to be addressed. 

"What I'd like to see is -- we need to try to resolve the issues of immigration. This is the moment to be able to resolve things like border security and e-verify," added Lankford.

Senator Orrin Hatch echoed Lankford's concerns, saying he was "tired" of the immigration problem facing the country. 

"We have millions of great young people that can add a great deal to our country," Hatch said. "We need a permanent solution to this problem not just kicking it down the road." 

He added, "We need to develop a solution that will recognize the positive contributions that Dreamers can make to our society."

The new bill is the most recent piece of legislation drafted after the Trump administration's announcement officially rescinding the DACA program, effectively ending the Obama-era program that has deferred deportations for those who came to the United States as young immigrants. 

The Department of Homeland Security will no longer consider new applications for legal status and the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) said it was rejecting all new DACA requests and employment authorization document (EAD) applications received after the Sept. 5 memo. 

The Trump administration also allowed a six-month window for adjudication of the renewal process for DACA recipients, giving Congress to use as a period to craft a DACA fix.

[Pitcher]

Bingo, great post new york kevin.

 

The Dems seem to have a memory problem.  

[Shabibilicious]

7 minutes ago, new york kevin said:

 

Hey, Beavis, the Republicans and Trump already provided 2 DACA fixes with almost all of the points the Dems wanted . With the exception of securing the border first. Please recall that Regan provided amnesty for all illegal aliens in the US at that time, with an agreement to pass and build border security soon there after.  The Dems have demonstrated a pattern of deception in negotiations, therefore they cannot be trusted . The Republicans must get the deal done now, with the understanding that if it is not written in the bill/contract and funded then it will never happen.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/how-daca-changed-this-dreamers-life/

 

 

Nuff said.....It's completely laughable to believe Trump is more trustworthy than any other politician in congress, (D)(R) or (I).

 

GO RV, then BV

[new york kevin]

Beavis, Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Nice fake agreement in the beginning, concluded with a degrading comment. Typical.

[Shabibilicious]

As Kushner reaches out to Congress on shutdown, 'DACA for the wall' deal gains steam

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White House senior adviser Jared Kushner. (Photo: Evan Vucci/AP)

WASHINGTON — As the government shutdown drags on, senior White House adviser Jared Kushner is having discussions with members of Congress from both sides of the aisle about a potential path forward. A Republican Senate staffer confirmed Kushner reached out to their office and added that a “DACA for the wall” deal was part of the conversation.

The outreach comes as some lawmakers have focused on the idea of a shutdown solution that would involve some form of reinstatement of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program in exchange for President Trump’s desired border security funding.

The shutdown began on Dec. 22 as Trump demanded over $5 billion to build about 234 miles of “steel barrier” along the southern border. Democrats have said they will not approve the funding and argued that a border wall, which was one of Trump’s signature campaign promises, would be too costly, unnecessary and ineffective.

DACA is a policy that was put in place by President Barack Obama in 2012 that protects from deportation some young immigrants who were brought to the United States as children. Trump ended DACA in September 2017. Since then, the future of the children covered by the policy has remained uncertain amid ongoing legal battles.

In dueling television addresses Tuesday night, Trump and the Democratic congressional leadership each made their cases, with the president arguing there is a “growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border” that would be eased by a barrier. Immediately following, Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer accused Trump of “forcing American taxpayers to waste billions of dollars on an expensive and ineffective wall.”

Trump, Schumer and Pelosi followed their televised appeals with a contentious meeting at the White House on Wednesday.

In an attempt at a compromise, Trump last week tapped Vice President Mike Pence to lead a team that included Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, to talk with a Democratic congressional delegation. The two groups met last weekend, but there was little progress.

The National Gallery of Art is closed during the federal government partial shutdown. (Photo: Nicholas Kamm/AFP/Getty Images)

There have been rumors that Kushner supports a potential “DACA for the wall” deal, however, a source close to Kushner stressed to Yahoo News that he is merely sounding out members of Congress and isn’t backing any specific approach.

“He’s listening to their opinions and is not specifically pushing any policy,” the source said of Kushner’s conversations with members of Congress.

A Democratic Senate source told Yahoo News that Kushner has tried to leverage a bipartisan network he developed this last year. “Kushner is looking to exercise his newfound relationships from criminal justice reform to negotiate out of the shutdown,” the source said.

Indeed, some of the senators Kushner has met with to discuss the shutdown were backers of criminal justice reform, including Illinois Democrat **** Durbin and West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin. Durbin’s office did not respond to multiple requests for comment about his communication with Kushner.

Compromises involving DACA protections in exchange for border wall funding have been on the table in the past. In February 2018, the Senate shot down three measures,including a Trump-backed plan that paired DACA protections with strict curbs on legal immigration. The proposal Trump supported was rejected by a large bipartisan group of senators. At the same time, Trump and conservative senators opposed bipartisan plans, including one that would have provided about $25 billion for border security over a decade. Trump has asked for more immediate border security funding.

Speaking at the White House last week, Trump suggested he was also close to reaching a deal with Democrats last November to protect DACA in exchange for wall funding. Trump said that fell apart when a federal appeals court blocked his plan to end DACA. Fact checkers have disputed similar claims from Trump that court rulings prevented a DACA deal by citing his prior opposition to compromises based on protections for young immigrants.

Multiple members of Congress are now revisiting the idea as a potential exit from the shutdown.

Manchin discussed his conversation with Kushner in an interview with MSNBC that aired on Tuesday. According to Manchin, he urged Kushner to craft a shutdown compromise based on the 2013 comprehensive immigration reform bill, which passed the Senate with strong bipartisan support but failed when the Republican House leadership would not bring it to the floor for a vote.

“That would take care of it. That would calm everybody,” Manchin said of his proposal.

The 2013 Senate bill went even further than DACA and included a pathway to citizenship for some undocumented youth.

According to Manchin, Kushner responded to the suggestion of revisiting the 2013 bill by emphasizing Trump’s insistence on border wall funding.

“He just says, ‘Well, let’s see, the president is pretty much committed to where they are right now,’” Manchin said of Kushner.

Indeed, the source close to Kushner said he has delivered a simple message in his conversations with senators, which is that “the president is really committed to his position and desire for wall funding.”

Kushner may not be calling for a “DACA for the wall” deal, but some of the senators who have been in talks with him are leading voices for bipartisan immigration reform. Both Durbin and Graham were members of the so-called Gang of Eight senators who led the push for the 2013 legislation. Graham has been pushing for a “DACA for the wall” deal for months. Last week, Republican Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina, the leader of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, told Yahoo News that he’s had “dozens” of conversations with Graham about a potential DACA deal.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images)

Graham has formed a working group to “discuss a broader immigration deal” involving legal work permits for people eligible for DACA protections in exchange for $25 billion in border security funding, according to NBC News. Graham’s group, which consists of Republican senators, met for the first time on Wednesday afternoon, and Kushner was in attendance. NBC reported that Graham has also met privately with Manchin.

When asked if Graham is working with Kushner on a potential “DACA for the wall” compromise, the South Carolina senator’s office directed Yahoo News to comments Graham made when speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill Tuesday. At the time, Graham said he was pursuing a deal that would include the “border security funding” Trump wants and “add some things to the mix that could draw some bipartisan support.”

“It’s in its infant stages. No commitment by anybody, but I’m somewhat hopeful that maybe there’s a way to get what the president wants in a fashion that would do the least amount of damage to the country as possible,” Graham said.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kushner-reaches-congress-shutdown-daca-wall-gains-steam-150857865.html

 

GO RV, then BV

 

[Shabibilicious]

3 minutes ago, new york kevin said:

Beavis, Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Nice fake agreement in the beginning, concluded with a degrading comment. Typical.

 

What's with the personal name calling, Kevin....thought we were beyond that?  

 

GO RV, then BV

Edited January 10, 2019 by Shabibilicious

[new york kevin]

My bad. I slept in late today and enjoyed it. Please accept my apology .

[Shabibilicious]

5 minutes ago, new york kevin said:

My bad. I slept in late today and enjoyed it. Please accept my apology .

 

You enjoyed the name calling.....or sleeping in late?    

 

GO RV, then BV

[new york kevin]

21 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

You enjoyed the name calling.....or sleeping in late?    

 

GO RV, then BV

I plead the 5th, not of Jack Daniels. Ok, I enjoyed the sleeping in. I recently started 3  12 hour shifts at a raise per hour. This is one of my off days. Again, you are 100% correct, you and I are beyond the name calling, I apologise for that again. Yes, potential DACA deal because the Dems shot down, and continue to shoot down every DACA deal . put forth by non Dems . For reasons that appear to be becaus it would give a "win" to Trump, preventing the American people from getting the win they deserve. 

Edited January 10, 2019 by new york kevin

[new york kevin]

1 hour ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Nuff said.....It's completely laughable to believe Trump is more trustworthy than any other politician in congress, (D)(R) or (I).

 

GO RV, then BV

At least POTUS Trump is doing and also trying to do what he campaigned on. Not lip services like all the Dems have done since POTUS Regan gave amnesty to millions of undocumented aliens during his terms in office. The one thing Dems can do better than Repubs is that they can play kick the can down the road better than almost anyone. In the 40 years after the Dems promised Regan to pas comprehensive immigration  reform, it still is not done. That is obstruction plain and simple.

[Shabibilicious]

46 minutes ago, new york kevin said:

I plead the 5th, not of Jack Daniels. Ok, I enjoyed the sleeping in. I recently started 3  12 hour shifts at a raise per hour. This is one of my off days. Again, you are 100% correct, you and I are beyond the name calling, I apologise for that again. Yes, potential DACA deal because the Dems shot down, and continue to shoot down every DACA deal . put forth by non Dems . For reasons that appear to be becaus it would give a "win" to Trump, preventing the American people from getting the win they deserve. 

 

Apology accepted.

 

GO RV, then BV

[Shabibilicious]

1 minute ago, new york kevin said:

At least POTUS Trump is doing and also trying to do what he campaigned on. Not lip services like all the Dems have done since POTUS Regan gave amnesty to millions of undocumented aliens during his terms in office. The one thing Dems can do better than Repubs is that they can play kick the can down the road better than almost anyone. In the 40 years after the Dems promised Regan to pas comprehensive immigration  reform, it still is not done. That is obstruction plain and simple.

 

I suppose that depends on how political rivals define "comprehensive".  

 

GO RV, then BV

[nstoolman1]

 

This was pretty "Comprehensive"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

 

 

Reagan "Compromised" with Congress and got screwed in the process.

Don't talk to me about compromise and Democrats in the same sentence. I don't believe them or trust them. 

 

 

 

 

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/02/11/kelli-ward-claims-president-ronald-reagan-regretted-1986-amnesty-law-did-he/1089297001/

 

excerpt from above article

 

 President Ronald Reagan's "biggest regret" was granting amnesty as part of 1986 immigration-reform legislation and then counting on Congress to secure the border, which never happened.