Study says race is driving voter ID laws

[thegente]

So I guess asking someone for an ID to get into a bar is racist now?

To purchase a firearm?

To obtain car insurance?

To write a check?

To buy plane tickets?

To enroll children at school?

To obtain a marriage license?

But don't ask for voter ID?

Ooooh, yes, it's a great big racial conspiracy...I can see it clearly now

Edited July 25, 2012 by thegente

[caz1104]

So I guess asking someone for an ID to get into a bar is racist now?

To purchase a firearm?

To obtain car insurance?

To write a check?

To buy plane tickets?

To enroll children at school?

To obtain a marriage license?

But don't ask for voter ID?

Ooooh, yes, it's a great big racial conspiracy...I can see it clearly now

I read recently that at the NAACP convention where Romney spoke id's were required to enter....................funny ain't it

[cris]

Im going to accuse my bank of racism

the Next time I go, to do any kind of transaction

Maybe some folks dont use banks anymore....what do welfare

recipients do with their welfare checks?

[DiveDeepSix]

MN is voting on it this year, what irritates me is if you vote but don't vote on the voter ID law it counts as a NO you don't want it, what a crock of crap. Same goes for Marriage between one man and one woman law, if you vote but don't vote on it, it counts as a NO you don't want it. People really need to be educated on what it is they are voting for this year more then ever before.

[jaman]

Im going to accuse my bank of racism

the Next time I go, to do any kind of transaction

Maybe some folks dont use banks anymore....what do welfare

recipients do with their welfare checks?

they go to the local kwik e mart and buy some smokes ...maybe a 40 oz of old english, a loto ticket , a half pint of milk for the kids,get there nails done ,get there hair done

[carlos in san diego]

Interesting comments...very thought provoking. I don't think Umbertino's post is BS....and those who are quick to judge are probably the same ones who will complain about any thought hat does not go along with their preconceived notions of the way the world should work in their view of things. I believe there is a grain of truth to the issue, and racism is only a side effect of the problem. A problem that is real and no one really wants to talk about.

There has been an effort on the part of the GOP to suppress voter registration in key swing states, the one that comes to mind is Florida. This is the state we get most of the news regarding voter intimidation and voter suppression. We had a perfect example during the Bush / Gore election that put Bush over the top despite obvious voter fraud on the part of his brother, the then governor of Florida, Jeb Bush. Remember the "hanging chad" fiasco, where voters intent was questioned and interpreted by the way the chad hung by a thread?

There is nothing new here...corruption is rampant throughout every level of our government, and Florida is certainly no exemption to the fact!

Whether we choose to admit it or not, our vote has been manipulated for decades now. The Florida case was just the latest, and most notoriously blatant example of the control exerted by the powers that be to control the outcome of an election. Another example that makes a big difference is what's known as "gerrymandering" also known by the name of "redistricting" . This concept is simple. It's designed to reallocate voters into an area to favor a particular candidate. Again, this is controlled by the powers that be, in Republican states to favor their wannabe elected officials. Most Americans don't understand the significance of the practice and pay little attention to the issue, or it's implications to the outcome of an election. These are both clearly case of voter manipulation.

These issues are part of a wider plan by the PTB to control the vote. Are there losers in their plan? Undoubtedly...the poor, the disenfranchised, the elderly. They are simply insignificant collateral damage in the bigger picture, racism comes into play just like the case where the thousands of residents of New Orleans were the victims of the Bush Administration's neglect after Hurricane Katrina, where our government took five days after the event to listen to their pleas for help. The PTB are better known as "The New World Order" they are the fascist elite that control both parties of our government and cannot be expected to care about the plight of some miserably poor mostly democratic black voters!

For those who insist that illegals are being kept from voting by the use of these measures....get a life! Illegal immigrants are here only for one reason...to work, the vast majority do not collect welfare, free medical services, let alone want to vote in an election where they have no horse in the race. It's completely naive to think these people try to vote in our elections, and another example of an issue that has a low probability of happening that is used to justify manipulation of the vote by the PTB. Please wake up to the manipulation...it's all around us, just look for it, you'll find it!

Someone might ask himself...If both parties are controlled by the fascists that run our government, then, what is the point in even voting? Why are we even concerned about the minor differences between the two parties, if the outcome was decided long before someone stepped into the ballot box/

Let me ask you starch conservative Republicans a question I doubt anyone has asked....Why is Mitt Romney going to England, and the Israel? If you say, he is merely paying a social visit to our "friends" in the area, I would say, your wrong, and very naive!...Every presidential candidate for the last sixty years or so has had to have the blessing of the Rothchilds in England and the Zionists Bankers in Israel before he can be a pretender! All POTUS have made the same trip....why? Because they control this country, not you and not me, our vote does not matter!

Carlos

[Maggie123]

Thank You Carlos for helping to wake me up!

I appreciate you and value your opinions very much.

Hugs, Maggie

[cris]

Good Lord....The same old tired argument that the PTB controls elections.

Your vote doesnt count.

Why vote anyway?....This is the real vote suppresion, its a Lib tactic used

for years....If Conservatives become convinced that it doesnt matter, who will

be voted into office?...A Lib... We've heard it doesnt matter for years, its been

drummed into society to the point that election participation is getting lower & lower.

While this argument affects both Libs and Conservatives, the latter are more

likely to throw their hands in the air in disgust and walk away from the whole

thing.

The Libs have been more organised in getting out the vote in past years.

However, Conservatives vastly outnumber them.....Its time to get back in the

game, not walk away.

Does PTB control apply to the City, County, and State votes that we make?....

Wow, thats some control the PTB have. These elections are where real change

is going to happen, Right in your neighborhood. Make sure you all get out and

vote this year.....Lets eliminate the Libs and RINO's from public office.

And, in the end, if it doesnt matter anyway what have you lost? A half hour from

your day to get in your polling place and do to the Libs what they have been doing

to us for years.

One last thought for Carlos....If it doesnt matter anyway, why the interest in a thread

like this....If it doesnt matter anyway, why be concerned about voter ID?......Because

it does matter, and the cheating is getting harder to do. but, Im sure you wont be

voting anyway, right?

[cris]

One final thought....Its very easy to find out who the Conservatives are

running in your area. In your City, County, and State.

Some simple Google searches on Conservative sites can tell you easily

who they are supporting for all of those offices in your State.

Write those names down, take them with you to the polls. We can take

our Country back for the most part in this election.

Afterall, who would have thought that Wisconsin would go Conservative ever

again? That State did a 180 degree turn because the Conservatives outnumber

the Liberals, and finally showed that fact in the vote.

The Left Wing is depressed this year....Lets get even more fired up, and

move the US in the Right direction.

[delta22]

Jaman ,I guess old english replaced Colt45

[jaman]

Jaman ,I guess old english replaced Colt45

my bad...........darn crack heads

[Loco01]

Carlos

You wrote

For those who insist that illegals are being kept from voting by the use of these measures....get a life! Illegal immigrants are here only for one reason...to work, the vast majority do not collect welfare, free medical services, let alone want to vote in an election where they have no horse.

Read more:

/page__st__20#ixzz21oWSuxVL

This is what you choose to believe but it is not the truth.

I live in Florida and the company I used to work for hired illegals by the droves

I loved their work ethics and i always enjoyed them as people even though we had a hard time communicating

But what they did do was to take jobs then and then double dip by going down to immigration services and getting

Welfare,food stamps and free medical plus free legal and tax service.

And a lot of other free services that the rest of us never see.

They also are showed how,who and when to vote so they can keep getting a free life.

You tell us to get a life well we would like to but we can't because the government keeps taking our money to hand out to people who have no right to it.

Racism comes in more then one package to ignore the sins of one race is just as racist as to blame a race for all sins.

[jg1]

I dont think race is the factor, I think it is the thought that people not of this country are helping choose our president. Now check me and my whole family for ID. If I dont have it on me, I will have ID at home. I think it is politics driven, the (democrats) that don't like ID laws probably have a hidden agenda like, I have given you illegals lots of free stuff, now I will make sure you can vote, for me.

Edited July 27, 2012 by jg1

[jg1]

I am just wondering. How do the poor get all their free services. Is it with ID. So, if you have ID why don't you want to show it to vote?

Edited July 27, 2012 by jg1

[Luigi1]

The USA is the only nation on earth where anyone can vote without showing proof of who they are.

This must make the entire world except the USA racist for requiring a ID card.

[caz1104]

The USA is the only nation on earth where anyone can vote without showing proof of who they are.

This must make the entire world except the USA racist for requiring a ID card.

Racist Bast*rds!!!! I knew it

[jg1]

IT seems like the president that gives the most freebies, gets the most votes until you end up like Greece.

[carlos in san diego]

Good Lord....The same old tired argument that the PTB controls elections.

Your vote doesnt count.

Why vote anyway?....This is the real vote suppresion, its a Lib tactic used

for years....If Conservatives become convinced that it doesnt matter, who will

be voted into office?...A Lib... We've heard it doesnt matter for years, its been

drummed into society to the point that election participation is getting lower & lower.

While this argument affects both Libs and Conservatives, the latter are more

likely to throw their hands in the air in disgust and walk away from the whole

thing.

The Libs have been more organised in getting out the vote in past years.

However, Conservatives vastly outnumber them.....Its time to get back in the

game, not walk away.

Does PTB control apply to the City, County, and State votes that we make?....

Wow, thats some control the PTB have. These elections are where real change

is going to happen, Right in your neighborhood. Make sure you all get out and

vote this year.....Lets eliminate the Libs and RINO's from public office.

And, in the end, if it doesnt matter anyway what have you lost? A half hour from

your day to get in your polling place and do to the Libs what they have been doing

to us for years.

One last thought for Carlos....If it doesnt matter anyway, why the interest in a thread

like this....If it doesnt matter anyway, why be concerned about voter ID?......Because

it does matter, and the cheating is getting harder to do. but, Im sure you wont be

voting anyway, right?

[/quote

Sure Cris...lets all run out and vote for your fascist GOP friends. That will solve absolutely nothing! The GOP and the Fascists are one and the same. They do not even make a pretend to side with the people anymore. Their Bush era Propaganda handbook says that voting for the corporate elite will eventually cause a trickle down effect to the masses....It never happened, and never will. There is another alternative...RON PAUL, the only person in the race that still understands the meaning of the word "integrity" Mitt the Twitt never had any integrity, and Obama sold out the American people before he even got into office.

And yes, Cris...the control of the PTB does get down to local state and county levels...they don't tell you so, even our states courts are under the control of the PTB. Maybe someday you will tire about gracing us with your opinion, an opinion based on the Bush era lies and disinformation!

The Bush policies were a complete and utter failure...only you refuse to believe this...everyone else can see it. I suspect your here because TPTB pay you to spread lies and disinformation. It's also a part of their plan, because no one with a half a brain wuld defend the GOP or the Fascists!

You are a sellout to the American people and our principles. Personally, I don't like the taste of boot leather, the kind you like to lick! I'd rather do without that wait for the scraps to fall from the tables of the elite! Carlos

[carlos in san diego]

Carlos

You wrote

For those who insist that illegals are being kept from voting by the use of these measures....get a life! Illegal immigrants are here only for one reason...to work, the vast majority do not collect welfare, free medical services, let alone want to vote in an election where they have no horse.

Read more:

/page__st__20#ixzz21oWSuxVL

This is what you choose to believe but it is not the truth.

I live in Florida and the company I used to work for hired illegals by the droves

I loved their work ethics and i always enjoyed them as people even though we had a hard time communicating

But what they did do was to take jobs then and then double dip by going down to immigration services and getting

Welfare,food stamps and free medical plus free legal and tax service.

And a lot of other free services that the rest of us never see.

They also are showed how,who and when to vote so they can keep getting a free life.

You tell us to get a life well we would like to but we can't because the government keeps taking our money to hand out to people who have no right to it.

Racism comes in more then one package to ignore the sins of one race is just as racist as to blame a race for all sins.

If I remember Loco1...The debate that started this whole thing centers around people needing ID to vote, the justification for this was that it was to prevent illegals from voting. I heard the results of an investigation that happened in Florida in the not too distant past, regarding thos same issue. The unbiased results were that they people carrying out the investigation only found evidence of only ONE illegal voting in an election. Yet this is the justification for denying the vote to many poor and elderly who cannot afford an ID?

Where I live in Socal, It's infested with Mexicans, They are a part of the community, legal and illegal. I know spanish as well as I do english and communicate just as freely in both languages. I speak to illegals every day...and know for a fact of not one case of voter fraud!

These people keep a low profile. They do not want to rock their own boats in any way...most will not even call the police when they are the victims of a crime...because they are afraid to call attention to themselves.....illegally voting in a US national election for them is out of the question!

It does not happen! Carlos

One final thought....Its very easy to find out who the Conservatives are

running in your area. In your City, County, and State.

Some simple Google searches on Conservative sites can tell you easily

who they are supporting for all of those offices in your State.

Write those names down, take them with you to the polls. We can take

our Country back for the most part in this election.

Afterall, who would have thought that Wisconsin would go Conservative ever

again? That State did a 180 degree turn because the Conservatives outnumber

the Liberals, and finally showed that fact in the vote.

The Left Wing is depressed this year....Lets get even more fired up, and

move the US in the Right direction.

Yes it is easy to find out who the conservatives are in my area. They are the ones that flood the airwaves with lies and distorted truths., because they enjoy the backing of those that have all the money in the world. Money they stole from us! These are the same ones who sponsor ambiguously worded laws that eventually benefit only them and their crony friends, They lie to us and tell us that it will benefit us, but, it never does! Everyone in the GOP is a crook! You should be ashamed to defend them! Carlos

[markb57]

Well Carlos, like Umbertino, your post is a liberal crock. And btw, the ID's to vote are for all those that try and vote illegally not just illegal alliens.

I get so tired of liberal BS and lies.

[cris]

Hey Carlos.....nice driveby

Maybe you could respond in an even uglier way, that was a pretty sad attempt at the

standard Lib propaganda your always spewing.....Facist & boot leather....ooooh, so scary.

No wonder Libs like you and your commie leaders are getting booted out of the system.

People aren't falling for it anymore.

C'mon Carlos, get even angrier....That'll get your point across. That will cause folks to

get behind your buddy O'blah.....Of course, your from Cali so no matter what you do

it makes no difference.

Keep voting in your Socialist-spend-money-we dont-have-leaders.....Yeah, that will fix

your problem.....And dont even try to come across as being an RP supporter, all of your

posts are classic Liberal garbage, you guys are circling the drain of History, soon to be

a footnote of what not to do.

[Maggie123]

I just -negged you cris. That was Rude!

If you read Carlos post's you saw that he is nowhere near being a lib! That is your standard nasty name for anyone who doesn't agree with you! You have called me that to and I resent that. You twist words to no end and name call. You respond with lies and hate. Is that the only way you think you can get your point across cris? It isn't working.

BTW people are not obligated to hang around waiting for you after they make a post. Carlos has been on this thread 3X so whats up with the "drive by" crap. You have used that on me too and I resent it. I resent the way you treat people! Period!

[cris]

I just -negged you cris. That was Rude!

If you read Carlos post's you saw that he is nowhere near being a lib! That is your standard nasty name for anyone who doesn't agree with you! You have called me that to and I resent that. You twist words to no end and name call. You respond with lies and hate. Is that the only way you think you can get your point across cris? It isn't working.

BTW people are not obligated to hang around waiting for you after they make a post. Carlos has been on this thread 3X so whats up with the "drive by" crap. You have used that on me too and I resent it. I resent the way you treat people! Period!

Well get over yourself then Maggie....I told you the solution

to your problems, put me on ignore....Its silly for you to get all

worked up over something I posted to Carlos.....He's quite angry

most of the time and quite wrong as well....His posts are full of Lib

arguments....so, naturally he gets pegged that way....Your MO is to

driveby and say "good post, thanks for getting the truth out"

Anyone that reads that would naturally, and obviously tie you

in with the Lib Establishment....QED...

Also, Lib is not a bad word, it is very descriptive though. Its what

Conservatives are fighting to get rid of....in every way. Those are the

battle lines. Conservative & Liberal....

As always Maggie...your call for an end to rudeness is done in a

rude manner....look in the mirror

BTW, I did not neg you....I would, but Im all out today

[Roadrunner]

Cris,

I gave you a plus just to offset the neg that got threw at you. He does tend to get on your nerves with his one sided BS. I have learned to ignore him.

Roadrunner

[Maggie123]

See cris there you go with that "driveby" statement. I don't have to stay in "cris's little kingdom" waiting for you to come and spit your venom on me. While I would love to just ignor you... I think it's worth my while to call you on the way you treat people, myself included. You see I think you are rude to people and that is not acceptable or to be ignored.

BTW I never run out of -minus's because I rarely use them. When I do I say why.

That is why I replyed to your rude post. I had given you a minus.