I'm a Danger to the Women of America. ** M - Language **

[Tiffani929]

And what do you think of that leftist pri*k Bill Maher? Is he all fine and dandy in your book?

LOL, heck no! I don't listen to that A*hole either.

Look, I agree with what Rush said about the burden of our private sexual activities not falling on employers or government. Did you read the first part of my comment?? I agreed and said it falls upon the individuals involved.

What I don't like is that he has to berate individuals to get his opinion across. While I agree with his opinion on THIS topic, I think his delivery in MANY matters lack tact and grace.

Edited March 4, 2012 by Tiffani929

[WallyWeaver]

What I don't like is that he has to berate individuals to get his opinion across. While I agree with his opinion on THIS topic, I think his delivery in MANY matters lack tact and grace.

Do you mean tact and grace like this:

I don't listen to that A*hole either.

or this:

I also, IMO, think Limbaugh is a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot.

[fnbplanet]

Do you mean tact and grace like this:

I don't listen to that A*hole either.

or this:

I also, IMO, think Limbaugh is a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot.

zing!

That makes the word **** look like a compliment.

Edited March 4, 2012 by fnbplanet

[trooper]

[tommy17]

Trooper those pictures say it all I wonder how mojack will spin these pictures.

[mojack]

Rush just issued an apology for his remarks. Something you very rarely, if ever, see from the left when they make similar comments.

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Makinsa and Txgranny - does this mean you both agree that an apology was warranted by Limbaugh? That's quite a reversal from the previous supporters.

WoW in my day the guy ALWAYS provided the condoms. It was the gentlemanly thing to do. Times sure have changed.

This was not about sex... Limbaugh slandered women, and Sandra Fluke personally, by totally fabricating a story about sex and condom request.

11 minutes and 2 seconds if anyone care or just continue the blind uneducated replies that this young person is speaking of sex:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/bush/legacy/timeline/

[Markinsa]

The Transcript

Leader Pelosi, Members of Congress, good morning, and thank you for calling this

hearing on women’s health and allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who

will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation. My

name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third year student at Georgetown Law, a Jesuit

school. I’m also a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive

Justice or LSRJ. I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and

all of the student activists with us and thank them for being here today.

Georgetown LSRJ is here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation

implements the nonpartisan, medical advice of the Institute of Medicine. I attend a

Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health

plan. Just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a

result, employees at religiously affiliated hospitals and universities across the

country have suffered similar burdens. We are all grateful for the new regulation

that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women. Simultaneously,

the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the

religious identity of Catholic and Jesuit institutions.

When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected, and I have

heard more and more of their stories. . On a daily basis, I hear from yet another

woman from Georgetown or other schools or who works for a religiously

affiliated employer who has suffered financial, emotional, and medical burdens

because of this lack of contraceptive coverage. And so, I am here to share their

voices and I thank you for allowing them to be heard.

Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during

law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships,

that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at

Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy. One told

us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the

pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn’t covered,

and had to walk away because she couldn’t afford it. Women like her have no

choice but to go without contraception. Just last week, a married female student

told me she had to stop using contraception because she couldn’t afford it any

longer. Women employed in low wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face

the same choice.

You might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways.

Unfortunately, that’s not true. Women’s health clinics provide vital medical

services, but as the Guttmacher Institute has documented, clinics are unable to

meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing and women are

being forced to go without. How can Congress consider the Fortenberry, Rubio,

and Blunt legislation that would allow even more employers and institutions to

refuse contraceptive coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should

step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many

legislators are attempting to defund those very same clinics?

These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases,

women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire

consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome

and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries.

Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not

intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans,

it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or

Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception be

made for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’t

accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university

administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate

whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes a

back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance

representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these

prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend,

and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover

her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was

denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to

prevent pregnancy. She’s ***, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much

more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100

out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop

taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message

from her that in the middle of her final exam period she’d been in the emergency

room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, “It was so painful, I woke up

thinking I’d been shot.” Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the

size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove

her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony,

she sat in a doctor’s office. Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night

sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the

removal of her ovary. She’s 32 years old. As she put it: “If my body indeed does

enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me

have my own children. I will have no chance at giving my mother her desperately

desired grandbabies, simply because the insurance policy that I paid for totally

unsubsidized by my school wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I

needed it.” Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that

come with having menopause at an early age-- increased risk of cancer, heart

disease, and osteoporosis, she may never be able to conceive a child.

Perhaps you think my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. One woman told us

doctors believe she has endometriosis, but it can’t be proven without surgery, so

the insurance hasn’t been willing to cover her medication. Recently, another friend

of mine told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome. She’s struggling to

pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it. Due to the barriers

erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medication

since last August. I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an

ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these

women are taken seriously.

This is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends. A

woman’s reproductive healthcare isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority. One student

told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered, and she assumed that’s how

Georgetown’s insurance handled all of women’s sexual healthcare, so when she

was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor even to be examined or tested for sexually

transmitted infections because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover

something like that, something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.

As one student put it, “this policy communicates to female students that our school

doesn’t understand our needs.” These are not feelings that male fellow students

experience. And they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.

In the media lately, conservative Catholic organizations have been asking: what

did we expect when we enrolled at a Catholic school? We can only answer that we

expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable

burdens that impede our academic success. We expected that our schools would

live up to the Jesuit creed of cura personalis, to care for the whole person, by

meeting all of our medical needs. We expected that when we told our universities

of the problems this policy created for students, they would help us. We expected

that when 94% of students opposed the policy, the university would respect our

choices regarding insurance students pay for completely unsubsidized by the

university. We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that

if we wanted comprehensive insurance that met our needs, not just those of men,

we should have gone to school elsewhere, even if that meant a less prestigious

university. We refuse to pick between a quality education and our health, and we

resent that, in the 21st century, anyone thinks it’s acceptable to ask us to make this

choice simply because we are women.

Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared are Catholic women, so ours is not a

war against the church. It is a struggle for access to the healthcare we need. The

President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and

universities appreciate the modification to the rule announced last week. Religious

concerns are addressed and women get the healthcare they need. That is something

we can all agree on. Thank you.

Makinsa and Txgranny - does this mean you both agree that an apology was warranted by Limbaugh? That's quite a reversal from the previous supporters.

http://www.washingto...egacy/timeline/

Yes, he should have apologized. Now, where is your indignity when Maher made his statements about Palin and Teebow??? And should he apologize???

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[rvb4jan1]

You must have known posting this that there would be comments made to the contrary of what you think is right.... big red letters are supposed to make us feel bad for commenting??????it was all designed for Limbaugh, really, did he send her up there to make these comments..... and twisting her words around, TG's post made it clear that she is not a student but a thirty something hack, all staged, their and here

Does seem to be contrived. I believe very little of what I read or hear nowdays unless I can verify the information. If a person wants birth control, sex enhancing drugs, etc. then he or she should pay for them out of their own pocket(s). I am more concerned about our teenagers and younger people having unprotected sex and unplanned pregnancy than I am about a 30 year old college student (???) asking the government to pay for her birth control. It sounds ridiculous!!!

[Tiffani929]

Do you mean tact and grace like this:

I don't listen to that A*hole either.

or this:

I also, IMO, think Limbaugh is a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot.

I'm sorry, the poster asked me if I listened to a leftist pr*ck. I shouldn't have called him an A*hole because honestly, I've only read a few articles from/about Bill Maher, and don't know enough to have a solid opinion of him.

IMO, again, I think that if he (Rush) is NOT the things I THINK he is, he sure comes off like it.

Bottom line was I agreed with what he said about who should pay for BC. Even though I don't agree with the slanderous rant he went on, I kind of went on my own. So, he issued an apology and here is mine. Sorry if I offended with my opinions.

Edited March 4, 2012 by Tiffani929

[littlefeet]

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' without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3000 during law school '

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WTH..........

[Markinsa]

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' without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3000 during law school '

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WTH..........

An example was $100 / month, so $1,200 / year x 3 years $3,600.

After months of paying over $100

out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop

taking it.

Read more: http://dinarvets.com...2#ixzz1oBCNVcCH

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[littlefeet]

The price seems high to me.........

Edited March 4, 2012 by littlefeet

[fnbplanet]

Doesn't make a damn bit of sense. The numbers don't add up, she's an admitted 30 yr. old activist for free contraception (not the innocent 23 yr. old struggling student the administration told us she was), ignores the fact that if they have sex with men, that they bear ANY responsibilities whatsoever, and she's bought into the leftist thinking that if you want something - anything, that you sell it as a "right" that you have (not earn, mind you).

She's a full grown woman lobbyist who can somehow afford to go to Georgetown Law School. Either she should plan ahead for a college that she CAN afford, or consider that having sex is HER and HER PARTNER'S responsibility, and NOT the government's.

Let's get all touchy-feely with our emotions on this for a second, just as so many entitlist liberals get. Please tell us how you explain this "right" to the 32 million unemployed who have to pay taxes on their benefits? How do you explain it to the 12 million of those unemployed who have run out of benefits? To the members of our Armed Forces coming home to find our economy in a shambles? To the homeless that are suffering every day? To Catholics that have for years followed their faith and disagree with the government forcing them to provide this while at the same time that very government forces them to take down Nativity Scenes where it may be viewed by someone who doesn't believe and is only "offended"?

She's a ho lookin' for handouts. Unlike Rush, I don't have to apologize.

[Markinsa]

From reading the transcript, the problem arises when the drugs used for Birth Control are prescibed for other reasons, and insurance denies coverage, such as ovarian cysts, and endometriosis. In these cases the drugs are used to treat these conditions and not soley used for birth control. I know a woman that had her tubes tied, but still needed the birth control to help her when she had excessive bleeding during her menses. In these cases, I believe there should be an exception, but to provide Birth Control for the sole purpose of preventing pregnancy, I oppose.

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[mojack]

From reading the transcript, the problem arises when the drugs used for Birth Control are prescibed for other reasons, and insurance denies coverage, such as ovarian cysts, and endometriosis. In these cases the drugs are used to treat these conditions and not soley used for birth control. I know a woman that had her tubes tied, but still needed the birth control to help her when she had excessive bleeding during her menses. In these cases, I believe there should be an exception, but to provide Birth Control for the sole purpose of preventing pregnancy, I oppose.

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Markinsa FINALLY someone that reads it properly!!!! Thank You. I know several other women that have had the same issues. Birth control prescriptions are not just for birth control.

Doesn't make a damn bit of sense. The numbers don't add up, she's an admitted 30 yr. old activist for free contraception (not the innocent 23 yr. old struggling student the administration told us she was), ignores the fact that if they have sex with men, that they bear ANY responsibilities whatsoever, and she's bought into the leftist thinking that if you want something - anything, that you sell it as a "right" that you have (not earn, mind you).

She's a full grown woman lobbyist who can somehow afford to go to Georgetown Law School. Either she should plan ahead for a college that she CAN afford, or consider that having sex is HER and HER PARTNER'S responsibility, and NOT the government's.

Let's get all touchy-feely with our emotions on this for a second, just as so many entitlist liberals get. Please tell us how you explain this "right" to the 32 million unemployed who have to pay taxes on their benefits? How do you explain it to the 12 million of those unemployed who have run out of benefits? To the members of our Armed Forces coming home to find our economy in a shambles? To the homeless that are suffering every day? To Catholics that have for years followed their faith and disagree with the government forcing them to provide this while at the same time that very government forces them to take down Nativity Scenes where it may be viewed by someone who doesn't believe and is only "offended"?

She's a ho lookin' for handouts. Unlike Rush, I don't have to apologize.

Still stuck on Limbaugh fabricated story... read Markinsa's last 2 posts.

Edited March 4, 2012 by mojack

[Markinsa]

Markinsa FINALLY someone that reads it properly!!!! Thank You. I know several other women that have had the same issues. Birth control prescriptions are not just for birth control.

Stuck on stupidity... read Markinsa's last 2 posts.

Now please answer my question about Maher...

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[mojack]

Now please answer my question about Maher...

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I don't listen to Maher either like I stated several months ago.... no one deserves this type of slander as I've stated months ago.

[Markinsa]

I don't listen to Maher either like I stated several months ago.... no one deserves this type of slander as I've stated months ago.

That's great, but why does the left always get indignant and demands an apology when someone on the right says something like this, but when Bill Maher, Rosie O'Donnel or someone else on the left says something similar or worse they ignore it like you did me for 3 posts? In the future, I would love to see a post from you pointing out what the left is doing wrong as well. It would be refreshing.

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[steveh12]

You Know What I Would Like Te See?

Change the Subject, and Pray For Those People

That Have Been Getting Clobbered From Tornados!!

[parmenio]

You Know What I Would Like Te See?

Change the Subject, and Pray For Those People

That Have Been Getting Clobbered From Tornados!!

I agree with you my friend..., but don't bury your head in the sand when we have a crisis like this. Either stand up or get out of the way. Should you choose bnot to be vocal...it's ok. We can still use your prayers on the side lines!

Edited March 4, 2012 by parmenio

[mojack]

That's great, but why does the left always get indignant and demands an apology when someone on the right says something like this, but when Bill Maher, Rosie O'Donnel or someone else on the left says something similar or worse they ignore it like you did me for 3 posts? In the future, I would love to see a post from you pointing out what the left is doing wrong as well. It would be refreshing.

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Point taken but are the posts from Trooper not enough? Honestly - what's the norm here, Left bashing probably 98% / Right bashing 2%.

My comments were regarding an honorary conservative that has been credited for political races.

@Steveh healthcare is also important, nationwide.

Edited March 4, 2012 by mojack

[TexasGranny]

I find it difficult to believe this woman's testimony because I happen to know that anyone can walk into a Wal-Mart pharmacy and obtain birth control pills for $4 a month.

Here is their listing of the ones available.

Price is: $4, 30-day, $10, 90-day

Women’s Health

Estradiol 0.5mg tab . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .30. . . . . . 90

Estradiol 1mg tab. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30. . . . . . 90

Estradiol 2mg tab. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30. . . . . . 90

MedroxyprogesteroneAcetate 2.5mg tab . . . . . . 30. . . . . . 90

Medroxyprogesterone Acetate 5mg tab. . . . . . . 30. . . . . . 90

Medroxyprogesterone Acetate 10mg tab . . . . . . 10. . . . . . 30

I believe Target pharmacy also offers something similar and CVS is only a dollar or two higher.

I would also bet that all of these students have cell phones, iPads, laptops, internet access, and spend money on gyms, beauty shops, etc. If they need the

birth control pills that desperately, don't stop at the fast food joints so often.

I do agree that if they need the pills for other health issues, the insurance company should cover them. In most cases, doctors are able to convince the

insurance companies that what they prescribe is necessary for life saving reasons.

If her stories of the ladies with problems are true, she should have had them with her to back up her testimony. In other interviews, she stated that she enrolled at

Georgetown specifically to fight this issue, which makes one wonder how long this issue has been under consideration by the administration. There are too many

inaccuracies in her stories.

[tommy17]

Now please answer my question about Maher...

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You will never get it from him .He's good at picking words out of a post, and trying to turn it around on you. But he will never give you an straight answer. Clearly this lady is a 30 year old activists and rush limbaugh bought the bait. It's election year and barry is trying for the female vote . Heck if we can give 250 million metric tons of food to north korea are sworn enemy. Still can't figure out how we can do it when we're broke. Why not start helping people in the good ole U.S.A....

[Tiffani929]

I find it difficult to believe this woman's testimony because I happen to know that anyone can walk into a Wal-Mart pharmacy and obtain birth control pills for $4 a month.

Here is their listing of the ones available.

Price is: $4, 30-day, $10, 90-day

Women’s Health

Estradiol 0.5mg tab . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .30. . . . . . 90

Estradiol 1mg tab. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30. . . . . . 90

Estradiol 2mg tab. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30. . . . . . 90

MedroxyprogesteroneAcetate 2.5mg tab . . . . . . 30. . . . . . 90

Medroxyprogesterone Acetate 5mg tab. . . . . . . 30. . . . . . 90

Medroxyprogesterone Acetate 10mg tab . . . . . . 10. . . . . . 30

I believe Target pharmacy also offers something similar and CVS is only a dollar or two higher.

I would also bet that all of these students have cell phones, iPads, laptops, internet access, and spend money on gyms, beauty shops, etc. If they need the

birth control pills that desperately, don't stop at the fast food joints so often.

I do agree that if they need the pills for other health issues, the insurance company should cover them. In most cases, doctors are able to convince the

insurance companies that what they prescribe is necessary for life saving reasons.

If her stories of the ladies with problems are true, she should have had them with her to back up her testimony. In other interviews, she stated that she enrolled at

Georgetown specifically to fight this issue, which makes one wonder how long this issue has been under consideration by the administration. There are too many

inaccuracies in her stories.

You are correct. There were time I did have Blue Cross and times I was self pay and I never paid more than $40 per month.

[Lutie]

I think Rush did go a little over the edge but I can understand his frustration. I think we all should send e-mails to Rush and tell him were still out here listening. Then we need to send e-mails or call the sponsors that are dropping his show. The left are licking their chops hoping Rush will go away. Not going to happen.

An example was $100 / month, so $1,200 / year x 3 years $3,600.

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Are you kidding me!!!!!