vastdream

I posted about my bank story about 2 weeks ago. I was waiting for a follow-up from the bank. That call came Friday. I can't and won't say any more, except that the message was that it is done (of course there is the process to complete, but that was the statement about the RV specifically - it was the only business at that bank... major bank, starts with a C. It's real. Nervous about posting, I don't want to mess anything up, but I figure if banks are calling clients then it's probably a foregone conclusion and safe... still, be patient as always. Don't go freaking out, I'm just adding a little credence as best I can.

That crack don't smoke itself... Okie in wonderland? Gotta love Okie, a one-man Dinar scape goat for all to enjoy. The human pin-cushion. The reason we have freedom of speech.

Sounds like he's trying hard to convince himself that what he did was brilliant, not insanely stupid. One should never launch out without counting the cost, there is nothing that has happened new that isn't relatively encouraging, certainly nothing to change the general premise of a RI/RV shortly. This is what happens when we let our emotions and fear guide us, both getting in and getting out of such an important opportunity. Unfortunately, he has taken the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" approach here, made a final decision and tossed all of it, without hedging his bets in the least. To me, this is a perfect description of impetuous, fool-hearty and a lack of any kind of business grounding or financial wisdom. The risk is so tiny compared to the reward potential and the history, current status and the media confirmation that this is shortly to occur. A good example of what not to do, and of course most people will recognize such a foolish,yet bold statement for what it is, another person losing all hope and judgment due because the can't endure the torture of waiting and the sea of lies and misinformation. This is what happens when folks take people like Okie too seriously and let themselves be blown around by every wind. This poor guy has no rudder on his ship and he thinks his fate was to drift endlessly in the ocean, so he took the safe way and ran his ship aground, now he's stuck back on another island, different setting, same situation. In truth, even less hope. His perceived hope is the problem. He had hope but not enough established faith in the process. The more you research and learn on your own, the less impact misinformation and guru pumping is gonna have on you. I'm glad to see that most people reject this doomsday nonsense, he is reverse pumping, and to me that is 1000 times worse that pumping. The end result for those who have no Dinar is no change, nothing new, little hope due to the collapse of our economy. If the Dinar doesn't revalue, then most all countries will be bankrupt shortly, I'd rather take that option knowing that I'm in good company with those that must protect their interest (and in so doing protect ours). What slays me is the attitude of guys like this, I feel for them, but it's quite obvious that it's a knee jerk action based on frustration. Bad move, he could use some good counsel, besides his own... it's hard for us to see ourselves and perceive how our emotions are steering us the wrong way, though it feels right at the time. JMHO, nothing personal intended, it could happen to any of us if we don't stay focused on the basics and our potential future. I have too much to lose by walking away, so for me it's never an option. If they scam me, at least I won't be alone. If that happens, we can all form a huge coalition and sue Iraq and our Treasury through the Hague if necessary. We can demand payment and press our fellow citizens to help support the international effort to hold these corrupt bankers and the secret cabal they represent accountable for the theft of Trillions of Dollars that is rightfully and legally ours upon the RV. We cannot expect our corrupt leaders to protect us, that's not their agenda whatsoever. They will protect themselves (that's why we will have an RV that produces an internationally traded currency -- they're establishing the basis for a new global currency and the Dinar is pivotal... no matter what.) To conclude, I would say this poor guy's response is a byproduct of looking too closely and focusing on the wrong information and thoughts. Filling your head with negative thoughts and fears of an impending disaster is good to ponder briefly, consider it and account for it and move on. Don't sit and wallow in BS and hype, unsupported claims that puff you up momentarily, the real thing will be all about action and facts, not talk. Unfortunately, once the real thing does happen you won't have a ticket to ride the bus. Like the guy who swam half way across the river, decided he couldn't make it then swam back. Think about it.

I like your post, very thoughtful and I agree pretty much with all you said. Only one comment, no biggie, but it would be nice if you would break up you posts into paragraphs, that key with the "Return" on it, yeah, that one, push it every so often. It beats one long run-on paragraph which is very difficult to read, follow and find things you just read. Just a suggestion. Thanks for the post though. Keep it up.

The 1% to 3% max controls would apply after the RV, they are not by definition a part of those measurements. This banker is no smarter, and possibly quite naive and shallow, not even banking smart... he is looking at "swing" and normal fluctuation, he's talking about something else as if he even has a clue. Too risky.... Please. There is no risk because it's just currency, the value WILL go up only, so what is this guy's definition of risk. If he is giving you that as financial information, get it in writing and have some fun with him after the RV... What is his idea of a good investment? 2% money market fund? "Backscreens" and frontscreens are just slang, misnomers in a way. I know the gurus use buzzwords to sound cool and knowledgeable, to those who actually know the jargon they most probably sound like flakes. But there are most certainly security screens with very limited, qualified access. Depending on the types of services offered by the bank to handle securities, currencies, to validate, to also feed all the private files on each customer to the various agencies and databases. FYI, banks are now functioning as an investigatory arm of the government, so everything is collected and compiled on all you do, including the bankers personal impressions of you and your activities. They're compelled to report anything even suspicious. I say this just to warn you that there are cams and mics listening to your conversations as you stand in line... not that I care, but it's good to keep in mind that big brother is indeed watching. Yes, the true risk is that you could get stepped on or mugged after cash-in.

A good friend of mine has been keeping me informed about something that happened a couple days ago to one of his girlfriend's relatives. I wouldn't think much of it except that they are all very professional, making 6 figures or more... but this lady was very skeptical before. She had just purchased some Dinar from CitiBank (California) and after arriving home she went to her normal bank them for safekeeping. She received a call to come into her bank anytime before Friday to execute some documents and discuss things with the banker regarding her "investment"... it was her Dinar. The latest update is that she has an appointment on Friday to actually cash in and they will then make the wire to her normal account. I can't give too many details for privacy reasons, but I can assure you that this is not BS. I have no motivation here, and truly I'm still only cautiously optimistic, but the source is legit. We should be hearing much more of this if it's popping now. The bank would not provide her a rate at this time. Please, don't be silly and start calling banks. That's nonsense. Go visit them and keep it low key. If this is happening, soon all banks will treat you properly. Until then, it's gonna be mostly the big banks I would assume that will be prepared for a high volume transactions.

Good one Mack... I knew there was a good joke in there somewhere, you beat me to it. I was distracted by the Okie post... Ahahaha.. it's like watching a train wreck... one of those little clown trains...

Awwww... C'mon, reruns of PinOkieO (hidden message within...) It's comic relief, I've grown to look forward to each new installment. Can't have too much Okie I'm all excited because I know Okie's never wrong...

Possible, but highly improbable. It does not fit with anything that has been said, and will create many more problems than it could possibly resolve. Anything below 1:1 is embarrassing and really quite the death wish for their business future.. They could not afford to do business any more than they can now. No, they have openly announced many, many times that it will be more than the Dollar, and/or reset to approx. the old rate. This is the same old concept, it would be a bad play, but sure they could do it if they wanted to implode like their neighbors have. How is that going to balance anything, to create a trade parity... C'mon, get a grip on reality. Some things are just nonsense from the moment they are uttered. Just because it's logical doesn't mean it's practical or appropriate. JMHO....

C'mon... don't be shy, tell us what you really think

You would be wasting your time on that one. Nobody is giving you advice here, nobody is urging your, telling you, making you or even luring you. You are making that decision based upon whatever information you decide to use yourself. You cannot just find someone that says something that is incorrect, when the whole thing is an unknown and that has been established 100% beyond any doubt by the sheer length of time and countless variables that come into play every moment. Simply put, you have zero case, in fact, if you bring a suit against, say, Okie, and you begin to slander and make false statements, if you accuse him and cannot back it up, he would have decent grounds for a counter-suit that would have standing. You are using terms and descriptions that don't apply here and simply being irresponsible with your accusations, Okie or not, he is free to speak his nonsense because you have no idea whether he's right or wrong, and each person must be responsible for sorting out the truth. Everyone in America has grounds for a class action suit against our own president. That's not gonna happen either. My point is that your anger and frustration is causing you to want to blame the gurus or the source of the misinformation. If misinformation were illegal there would be no mainstream media. Certain conditions must be in place for a personal to actually have liability or an obligation to you. None of those conditions are present just because someone posts on a blog some nonsense. Please... There is no expectation or claim that this site is a source for financial advice, and I think you view of ownership of both your own decisions and your Dinar (if you have any) is not valid. I understand and agree in spirit that some of the material is highly dubious and certainly incorrect usually, that is NOT fraud, and you can't sue unless you have standing, and even then there is a heavy burden of proof that will cost a lot to prove if it's even possible. What's the point? Do you think you'll get anything out of Okie? After it RV's, there is no need, and you would need to be thanking whomever "conned" you into buying your Dinar... so really, you are just sick of waiting and mad at the lies. Welcome to the club. This is not the place to get financial advice, everyone here knows that and I doubt you could even get an attorney to take the case if you paid him. Way too vague and too many If a person thinks that the rumor section on a highly charged and visited site about a subject that is surrounded by confusion, obfuscation and politics, where there are always people with opinions on both sides of an issue, how can you conclude anything has been spelled out to your or "sold" to you. It's only related, or associated with your Dinar, it's not the impetus or cause for your purchase. You must still take personal responsibility for your own decisions. A rumor is a rumor. You have no contractual relationship with the gurus, they have not spoken with you directly, they have no obligation to tell you the truth about anything. They should, but unless there is a contractual agreement, there is no basis to declare a fraud since you did not buy anything from them or expend funds on advice, and the site is not about financial advice Also, most of these posts are copied without permission from the guru's sites. How can you hold them responsible when you are not even on their domain getting this "misinformation". Anyway, it's a losing battle to fight. Pick a better one. I'm not saying that there aren't situations that are suit worthy, I'm quite sure there are many private cases where people have used the Dinar to defraud... posting in a rumor section anonomously is not exactly hard evidence of anything, we are all invited onto this site for free, the guru's are only providing interesting content, it doesn't come with a guarantee, but a disclaimer. In my view, this is total nonsense and you should stop whining and blaming everyone else. If you are dissatisfied with your DInar purchase then sell it and be quite about it. Okie or any guru cannot be blamed for defrauding when you can turn around and recoup your losses by selling your Dinar, even in it's current devalued state it is sellable. The only question is not whether the gurus are right, it's more "when" will the be right. You have no case. Secondly, you're argument goes away the day of the RV, then they would sue you and win. You could lose much of your profit from the Dinar defending yourself, and they would know you'd be worth pursuing. If you tried to sue me, calling my comments here fraudulent, or bad advice, you'd lose. I am not claiming to give advice, only opinions and rumors possibly at some point. You could put me in the same boat with one accusation, you could be put in that position yourself. Be careful what you wish for, it's a two-edged sword and it cuts both ways. For instance, if you had named names in your post and I was one of them, you'd be getting a real lawsuit for defamation or possible much worse depending on the downstream damage to my reputation that can be proven. Perhaps, you shouldn't be in this investment if you can't cope with the realities and if you think you can project street thinking into this, it's international banking, not a bunch of occupiers sitting around getting wasted and talking about who to blame for everything. You are to blame. That's it. Or, you are to be praised. You're the victim or the benefactor of your own thinking. You have no connection to the gurus other than a pedestrian association that is anonymous, you have no expectation of accuracy or sound advice here or any other guru site most probably. If you're taking financial advice from a guru, stop it now, that is your decision though, not theirs. Nothing personal intended here... just taking the opportunity to voice my thoughts. Don't be upset, I actually agree with the sentiment, just don't see it as a problem. Please do visit an attorney and report back I'd love to know how you do on that.

Thanks for the information, seems quite reasonable to me. A lot of insiders probably watch the blogs for intel also, as well as their own internal sources I'm sure. But, this is at least consistent with the massive push that is clearly on now. Good job on the post, a tidbit of encouragement now and then goes a long way. Let's all focus on this for the 2-3 of April. I'm not kidding, a group of people thinking with the same intent is extremely powerful from a Quantum standpoint. Enough of that for now, just know that it won't hurt. Intention drives and changes outcome. Have a great weekend everyone.

I agree, I'll always defend the right of Okie and others to speak and even spread their nonsense and false hope/information. However, the ugly truth is that words mean something, people act on what they believe, and this is what we all have somewhat expected was taking place. A daisy chain of misinformed believers, well-meaning, sincere and innocent people, being drawn by the potential the RV has to change their miserable lives for the better. Most of us could use a positive change, I do. But it's truly sad to see how the misinformation is passed along as assumptive truth, of course making the person delivering the nonsense look pretty foolish. I simply do not understand how Okie can make such bold claims that so far have never come true or even remotely accurate in terms of timing and rates, which of course we all generally dismiss anyway. I'm not sure Okie has any bad intentions at all, he may believe all he says, it surely doesn't make it true. I hope that out of all these false alarms that folks have at least learned a lot about the rumor mill, about being gullible and about human nature. I know I have. I think the guy in this video will, or has found out the hard way not to stick your neck out on Okie Data...(Hahahah... anyone remember the printer company "Okidata".... sorry, couldn't help myself.

Wow!!!!!!!! A cry for help? Somebody needs to take a breath and try to string a full sentence together. This is truly fractured. A lot of emotion and babble but not really a coherent point. Sorry, I think you need to get off the bottle before you post next time. Or pass it to me so then it won't matter...

Sweet... Thanks

Please don't fertilize your horse.

Very good advice, no matter what. Don't be impulsive and take a huge risk based upon Okie. The truth is, that there is no way they would advertise in advance, if you can still buy Dinar, then do not assume the RV is a day or two away and this info from Okie is anything like true "inside information". For one, if it were, you should not act upon it knowing that it is acting against the spirit of the laws in place, and the protocols that attempt to keep things fair for all parties. Any heads up to a certain group would by definition not be something we should act upon. So, to a large extent, it's hard to make a case that your should trust Okie, or other guru's. If you can afford to put it all on red and let it spin, and Okie simply inspires you to invest more, then I say, go for it. Dinar is a very sure investment in my personal view, or I wouldn't have purchased one Dinar. But if you're gambling your rent or baby's food, not a good choice. Some things are more important and should not be put at risk. I hope he's right this time. Not holding my breath though. C'mon RV... before we all have an Okie overdose.

It's something Possum rides around in after he gets liquored up and naked. ...where's my truch... I know I parked it here...

OK... I'd check his dog house for a laptop... try and lure him out with a bone... just wrap it in paper and write "intel" on it. It's the only way to know for sure if that's just a strange coincidence, or perhaps you have found Okie's secret doghouse and intelligence dispensary. I will add that what Okie is saying here is plausible and probable at such a time as they actually do the RV... which could be now. It's clear that there is some kind of disconnect with him but generally, they would be doing testing routinely, this is more a matter of whether it's a fabrication or not. I think the high rate he is claiming is like a neon sign that he is being fed misinformation. But, I do wish it were true, I just think it's very wishful thinking. I wouldn't be counting those chickens just yet. It's a good time for an RV, don't you think?

Cheers! The second round is on me. But, no diet Coke, I hear the aspartame can be bad for them.

This was debunked shortly after it first came out. Someone has made a lot of assumptions and put it out as fact. Then it was repeated down the blogs. Do a little digging and you'll see that all of it was spun up based on a false assumption and a lot of anger. It was framed up to look like the typical scam story, pumper, Ali can answer for himself of course. I don't know Ali personally, I spoke with him once about gold, and I can tell you that he is all business, not likely to stray off the procedure and plan. But... I would like to know if anything like this has been going on with any other party, Okie or otherwise. Pumping is not cool, if can be established that it was purposefully done and part of a plan, then that's sounding a lot like a sleazy racket. Personally, I prefer to tread lightly when it comes to anything with currency and securities. Also public character assassinations are a two-edged sword, you had better be certain of your claims before you perpetuate them. Especially if you "target" someone, and you incite peoples anger to want to hurt them or put them in jail (considering them a criminal without any trial or discovery). Sometimes though, the court of public opinion can be a powerful and good thing, when it flushes out the truth, not when it pig piles like a mob though. We all have our judgments and evaluations of others, it's a question of how aggressively you put them out publicly. Once something like this starts, it takes on a life of it's own, like a wildfire. It's so easy to jump to conclusions. In some ironic way, many may some day thank God for the pumpers that "tricked" them into buying more Dinar. It doesn't excuse the pumping, but on the same token, it's not fair to treat the purchase of some cheap Dinar with 99% chance of eventual success the same as if some serious damage has occurred and it's all a loss. The claims of all the hardship are overblown greatly. They purchased exchangeable currency with little loss in reality, not some "bill of goods" or a scam. The hardship was there before the Dinar, it's just that the expectation of a miraculous salvation was not forthcoming as quickly as hoped and bitterness and hopelessness sets in, then anger and blame. Let's not fan the flames on this one, it's a dud, a false alarm I'm pretty sure. In reality, a factual case hasn't even been made that harm has been done by Okie or any pumper for that matter. I'm very sure it has caused hardship, but who is to say in the end what would is the best for that family/person... a little hardship with a lot of reward afterwards... sounds almost Biblical... It's like saying that Mr. X is a terrible man because he's been going around conning people into taking a cancer cure so he can make more money. Sure, he makes a little money, but you get cured. Just trying to find a silver lining I guess. Sure, there are downstream effects, but that is part of the Dinar investment, waiting and waiting, having faith it will come and enduring if you can. Not everyone can, that is nobody's fault, certainly not Ali or Okie. This is an exercise in finger pointing vs. personal responsibility. I notice that some Dinar holders seem to have a lot of anger and regrets they need to vent. I think it's just fatigue from being excited, then let down so many times. Okie has become the go-to punching bag for anyone that needs a good venting. See, he's useful after all... Have a good weekend everyone.

So, what are you trying to say? Tell us what you really think. Personally, I think it was just a common sense guess, no need to get your knickers in a bunch. I'd like it now too, but it's just another scenario that could occur.

I'm continually amazed at the level of judgment and condescension by some of the members on this site. I want to hear people opinions, I care about the facts and getting to them. Like most people that are not taking every post as a personal insult. If that is you, you have a problem within yourself that money will not solve. You are identifying your own sense of worth and making your value subject to another person, as if they have any influence over you, or want to. They only have an effect when you chose to let them, it is YOUR personal decision and consequence for letting a post you don't agree with or believe become the trigger to vent with personal attacks at every singe Okie post. It's becoming a complete annoyance and distraction, and is souring the milk for the rest of us. It's not a matter of whether I believe a specific person or post, I look at all of it and I want to hear the lies as well as the truth for myself. Why should I trust or listen to someone that can only snipe, and seems to care only about their own opinion and not others. I like Okie, I think he has many good characteristics. He may be 100% wrong, but I doubt it. But I have no reason to dislike him for trying. If he is pumping, GOOD. Thank God for pumpers. Without people like him many people would not be involved with the Dinar. And if you think somebody who comes into a windfall from the Dinar is going to fault Okie in the end, you are on the wrong end of the logic stick. The reason you buy Dinar is not relevant in the end, only that you do. And people who think they are helping the rest of us by shaking their fist and treating Okie, or any other poster as if they belong in prison or should be beat to a pulp have a serious anger management and maturity issues to deal with. Get professional or family help, or at least say something of substance so that you are not just another disgruntled Dinar holder. It's extremely easy to complain and attack. 10 times easier than trying to help, which I believe personally Okie is doing. In his mind he is doing a service. If you can't see that at least he believes that, then you've probably never served anyone but yourself and so you don't recognize those qualities in others. The more you complain, the more I like Okie. I'd have a beer with him vs. sitting with someone that sits in judgment without actually knowing anything. All you are hearing is what he says, but that is not all he is. Right or wrong, that is the essence of our Constitution and way of life here, the speech is protected because people are not only allowed, but encouraged to speak their mind. It's there to protect the controversial speech, not so much the speech that most people agree with. Otherwise, you end up with mob rule. I am glad to see that the nagging haters are not getting too much traction here, and most people don't care for it based on the ratings and comments. I know it won't ever stop, but I'm pretty sure those who call Okie all those hateful and vindictive names will not lift a finger to make a public statement if he turns out to be right. They'll chalk it up to luck or something. That's always how it is. All the good work of a man, however sincere and helpful, yet imperfect it may be, can be destroyed by a few words of a lazy hateful person, and it's contagious. People constantly pig pile on Okie, and I think that is unfair simply because he is not even aware of it, or here to defend himself and you don't have to read or like what he writes. It's all self-imposed, so please take personal responsibility for your own decisions and reactions. There are millions of people out there saying things every day you don't agree with. Ask yourself why you are so fixated on just a few people such as Okie. For one, it's because he put himself out there and become vulnerable to shots from naysayers. He's a sitting duck for snipers. But it's not a fair fight. And if you are not in the game providing information, or trying, accurate or not, you might want to consider that you're not in a position to judge anything for anyone but yourself and those you have responsibility over. Every time I see an Okie post I want to read it right away, not because I hang on every word, but because it's entertaining and causes me to focus and think about whether it holds any water. I do think he appears to be quite sincere... I don't know yet, but it's no big deal either way. This is not about Okie, so quit looking for someone to take the heat for your own lack of confidence and comfort. It's not Okie's fault for anything you did or will do, get over it. That anger should be focused where it belongs, on the elected leaders of our country that are lying to us and keeping us down. Okie is on our side, like it or not, you have to live with it. He is not a poison pill, and if you keep acting like folks that disagree with you or make you angry don't deserve to live, you need help. That's my very personal opinion and you can hate me or not. Treat me like Okie if you want, because like him, I'll keep talking anyway. Many more mature people can see something in Okie their intuition considers as at least sincere. Not that one should believe what he says and act on it, but listening and consideration never hurt anyone. Not listening and hating does. Just to be clear, having arguments and speaking out is good and healthy, until it turns into a hate fest. With Okie and others like him, it's one-sided so there can never be a conclusion anyway... it's a total waste of time to sit and rank Okie because it's like talking to the newscaster on the TV. He can't hear you and he doesn't care anyway. It's a terminal and self-serving thing to vent and attack. Fruitless, except to annoy the rest of us. Hopefully, very soon Okie will become a faint memory and magically all the anger against him will be seen for what it truly is. I understand that nobody likes being lied to. I hate it too. But it helps to consider the source and simply ignore it if it's eating at you. Chill, you're only hurting yourself, not Okie. ... I told the Doctor... it hurts when I do this... the Doctor said, well, stop doing that. Oh. But I realize also that many people want, and feel they need to get angry at something, blame something. So, I guess in that respect Okie serves some useful function, as a human pincushion to relieve the stress of some of us. But he does have a right to speak and also to be and idiot or to be wrong. I just think it's premature to make a final judgment on that yet and to condemn him just because you have made up your mind or assume all he says is a lie. I doubt that, there is most probably some truth to a lot that he says, but we throw it all out with the bathwater... I understand that he is not very credible, but I give him a lot of credit for trying, and I hate complainers that have no skin in the game, who just ridicule as if they are perfect. JMHO.