vastdream

I posted about my bank story about 2 weeks ago. I was waiting for a follow-up from the bank. That call came Friday. I can't and won't say any more, except that the message was that it is done (of course there is the process to complete, but that was the statement about the RV specifically - it was the only business at that bank... major bank, starts with a C. It's real. Nervous about posting, I don't want to mess anything up, but I figure if banks are calling clients then it's probably a foregone conclusion and safe... still, be patient as always. Don't go freaking out, I'm just adding a little credence as best I can.

That crack don't smoke itself... Okie in wonderland? Gotta love Okie, a one-man Dinar scape goat for all to enjoy. The human pin-cushion. The reason we have freedom of speech.

Sounds like he's trying hard to convince himself that what he did was brilliant, not insanely stupid. One should never launch out without counting the cost, there is nothing that has happened new that isn't relatively encouraging, certainly nothing to change the general premise of a RI/RV shortly. This is what happens when we let our emotions and fear guide us, both getting in and getting out of such an important opportunity. Unfortunately, he has taken the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" approach here, made a final decision and tossed all of it, without hedging his bets in the least. To me, this is a perfect description of impetuous, fool-hearty and a lack of any kind of business grounding or financial wisdom. The risk is so tiny compared to the reward potential and the history, current status and the media confirmation that this is shortly to occur. A good example of what not to do, and of course most people will recognize such a foolish,yet bold statement for what it is, another person losing all hope and judgment due because the can't endure the torture of waiting and the sea of lies and misinformation. This is what happens when folks take people like Okie too seriously and let themselves be blown around by every wind. This poor guy has no rudder on his ship and he thinks his fate was to drift endlessly in the ocean, so he took the safe way and ran his ship aground, now he's stuck back on another island, different setting, same situation. In truth, even less hope. His perceived hope is the problem. He had hope but not enough established faith in the process. The more you research and learn on your own, the less impact misinformation and guru pumping is gonna have on you. I'm glad to see that most people reject this doomsday nonsense, he is reverse pumping, and to me that is 1000 times worse that pumping. The end result for those who have no Dinar is no change, nothing new, little hope due to the collapse of our economy. If the Dinar doesn't revalue, then most all countries will be bankrupt shortly, I'd rather take that option knowing that I'm in good company with those that must protect their interest (and in so doing protect ours). What slays me is the attitude of guys like this, I feel for them, but it's quite obvious that it's a knee jerk action based on frustration. Bad move, he could use some good counsel, besides his own... it's hard for us to see ourselves and perceive how our emotions are steering us the wrong way, though it feels right at the time. JMHO, nothing personal intended, it could happen to any of us if we don't stay focused on the basics and our potential future. I have too much to lose by walking away, so for me it's never an option. If they scam me, at least I won't be alone. If that happens, we can all form a huge coalition and sue Iraq and our Treasury through the Hague if necessary. We can demand payment and press our fellow citizens to help support the international effort to hold these corrupt bankers and the secret cabal they represent accountable for the theft of Trillions of Dollars that is rightfully and legally ours upon the RV. We cannot expect our corrupt leaders to protect us, that's not their agenda whatsoever. They will protect themselves (that's why we will have an RV that produces an internationally traded currency -- they're establishing the basis for a new global currency and the Dinar is pivotal... no matter what.) To conclude, I would say this poor guy's response is a byproduct of looking too closely and focusing on the wrong information and thoughts. Filling your head with negative thoughts and fears of an impending disaster is good to ponder briefly, consider it and account for it and move on. Don't sit and wallow in BS and hype, unsupported claims that puff you up momentarily, the real thing will be all about action and facts, not talk. Unfortunately, once the real thing does happen you won't have a ticket to ride the bus. Like the guy who swam half way across the river, decided he couldn't make it then swam back. Think about it.

I like your post, very thoughtful and I agree pretty much with all you said. Only one comment, no biggie, but it would be nice if you would break up you posts into paragraphs, that key with the "Return" on it, yeah, that one, push it every so often. It beats one long run-on paragraph which is very difficult to read, follow and find things you just read. Just a suggestion. Thanks for the post though. Keep it up.

The 1% to 3% max controls would apply after the RV, they are not by definition a part of those measurements. This banker is no smarter, and possibly quite naive and shallow, not even banking smart... he is looking at "swing" and normal fluctuation, he's talking about something else as if he even has a clue. Too risky.... Please. There is no risk because it's just currency, the value WILL go up only, so what is this guy's definition of risk. If he is giving you that as financial information, get it in writing and have some fun with him after the RV... What is his idea of a good investment? 2% money market fund? "Backscreens" and frontscreens are just slang, misnomers in a way. I know the gurus use buzzwords to sound cool and knowledgeable, to those who actually know the jargon they most probably sound like flakes. But there are most certainly security screens with very limited, qualified access. Depending on the types of services offered by the bank to handle securities, currencies, to validate, to also feed all the private files on each customer to the various agencies and databases. FYI, banks are now functioning as an investigatory arm of the government, so everything is collected and compiled on all you do, including the bankers personal impressions of you and your activities. They're compelled to report anything even suspicious. I say this just to warn you that there are cams and mics listening to your conversations as you stand in line... not that I care, but it's good to keep in mind that big brother is indeed watching. Yes, the true risk is that you could get stepped on or mugged after cash-in.

A good friend of mine has been keeping me informed about something that happened a couple days ago to one of his girlfriend's relatives. I wouldn't think much of it except that they are all very professional, making 6 figures or more... but this lady was very skeptical before. She had just purchased some Dinar from CitiBank (California) and after arriving home she went to her normal bank them for safekeeping. She received a call to come into her bank anytime before Friday to execute some documents and discuss things with the banker regarding her "investment"... it was her Dinar. The latest update is that she has an appointment on Friday to actually cash in and they will then make the wire to her normal account. I can't give too many details for privacy reasons, but I can assure you that this is not BS. I have no motivation here, and truly I'm still only cautiously optimistic, but the source is legit. We should be hearing much more of this if it's popping now. The bank would not provide her a rate at this time. Please, don't be silly and start calling banks. That's nonsense. Go visit them and keep it low key. If this is happening, soon all banks will treat you properly. Until then, it's gonna be mostly the big banks I would assume that will be prepared for a high volume transactions.

Good one Mack... I knew there was a good joke in there somewhere, you beat me to it. I was distracted by the Okie post... Ahahaha.. it's like watching a train wreck... one of those little clown trains...

Awwww... C'mon, reruns of PinOkieO (hidden message within...) It's comic relief, I've grown to look forward to each new installment. Can't have too much Okie I'm all excited because I know Okie's never wrong...

Possible, but highly improbable. It does not fit with anything that has been said, and will create many more problems than it could possibly resolve. Anything below 1:1 is embarrassing and really quite the death wish for their business future.. They could not afford to do business any more than they can now. No, they have openly announced many, many times that it will be more than the Dollar, and/or reset to approx. the old rate. This is the same old concept, it would be a bad play, but sure they could do it if they wanted to implode like their neighbors have. How is that going to balance anything, to create a trade parity... C'mon, get a grip on reality. Some things are just nonsense from the moment they are uttered. Just because it's logical doesn't mean it's practical or appropriate. JMHO....

C'mon... don't be shy, tell us what you really think

You would be wasting your time on that one. Nobody is giving you advice here, nobody is urging your, telling you, making you or even luring you. You are making that decision based upon whatever information you decide to use yourself. You cannot just find someone that says something that is incorrect, when the whole thing is an unknown and that has been established 100% beyond any doubt by the sheer length of time and countless variables that come into play every moment. Simply put, you have zero case, in fact, if you bring a suit against, say, Okie, and you begin to slander and make false statements, if you accuse him and cannot back it up, he would have decent grounds for a counter-suit that would have standing. You are using terms and descriptions that don't apply here and simply being irresponsible with your accusations, Okie or not, he is free to speak his nonsense because you have no idea whether he's right or wrong, and each person must be responsible for sorting out the truth. Everyone in America has grounds for a class action suit against our own president. That's not gonna happen either. My point is that your anger and frustration is causing you to want to blame the gurus or the source of the misinformation. If misinformation were illegal there would be no mainstream media. Certain conditions must be in place for a personal to actually have liability or an obligation to you. None of those conditions are present just because someone posts on a blog some nonsense. Please... There is no expectation or claim that this site is a source for financial advice, and I think you view of ownership of both your own decisions and your Dinar (if you have any) is not valid. I understand and agree in spirit that some of the material is highly dubious and certainly incorrect usually, that is NOT fraud, and you can't sue unless you have standing, and even then there is a heavy burden of proof that will cost a lot to prove if it's even possible. What's the point? Do you think you'll get anything out of Okie? After it RV's, there is no need, and you would need to be thanking whomever "conned" you into buying your Dinar... so really, you are just sick of waiting and mad at the lies. Welcome to the club. This is not the place to get financial advice, everyone here knows that and I doubt you could even get an attorney to take the case if you paid him. Way too vague and too many If a person thinks that the rumor section on a highly charged and visited site about a subject that is surrounded by confusion, obfuscation and politics, where there are always people with opinions on both sides of an issue, how can you conclude anything has been spelled out to your or "sold" to you. It's only related, or associated with your Dinar, it's not the impetus or cause for your purchase. You must still take personal responsibility for your own decisions. A rumor is a rumor. You have no contractual relationship with the gurus, they have not spoken with you directly, they have no obligation to tell you the truth about anything. They should, but unless there is a contractual agreement, there is no basis to declare a fraud since you did not buy anything from them or expend funds on advice, and the site is not about financial advice Also, most of these posts are copied without permission from the guru's sites. How can you hold them responsible when you are not even on their domain getting this "misinformation". Anyway, it's a losing battle to fight. Pick a better one. I'm not saying that there aren't situations that are suit worthy, I'm quite sure there are many private cases where people have used the Dinar to defraud... posting in a rumor section anonomously is not exactly hard evidence of anything, we are all invited onto this site for free, the guru's are only providing interesting content, it doesn't come with a guarantee, but a disclaimer. In my view, this is total nonsense and you should stop whining and blaming everyone else. If you are dissatisfied with your DInar purchase then sell it and be quite about it. Okie or any guru cannot be blamed for defrauding when you can turn around and recoup your losses by selling your Dinar, even in it's current devalued state it is sellable. The only question is not whether the gurus are right, it's more "when" will the be right. You have no case. Secondly, you're argument goes away the day of the RV, then they would sue you and win. You could lose much of your profit from the Dinar defending yourself, and they would know you'd be worth pursuing. If you tried to sue me, calling my comments here fraudulent, or bad advice, you'd lose. I am not claiming to give advice, only opinions and rumors possibly at some point. You could put me in the same boat with one accusation, you could be put in that position yourself. Be careful what you wish for, it's a two-edged sword and it cuts both ways. For instance, if you had named names in your post and I was one of them, you'd be getting a real lawsuit for defamation or possible much worse depending on the downstream damage to my reputation that can be proven. Perhaps, you shouldn't be in this investment if you can't cope with the realities and if you think you can project street thinking into this, it's international banking, not a bunch of occupiers sitting around getting wasted and talking about who to blame for everything. You are to blame. That's it. Or, you are to be praised. You're the victim or the benefactor of your own thinking. You have no connection to the gurus other than a pedestrian association that is anonymous, you have no expectation of accuracy or sound advice here or any other guru site most probably. If you're taking financial advice from a guru, stop it now, that is your decision though, not theirs. Nothing personal intended here... just taking the opportunity to voice my thoughts. Don't be upset, I actually agree with the sentiment, just don't see it as a problem. Please do visit an attorney and report back I'd love to know how you do on that.

Thanks for the information, seems quite reasonable to me. A lot of insiders probably watch the blogs for intel also, as well as their own internal sources I'm sure. But, this is at least consistent with the massive push that is clearly on now. Good job on the post, a tidbit of encouragement now and then goes a long way. Let's all focus on this for the 2-3 of April. I'm not kidding, a group of people thinking with the same intent is extremely powerful from a Quantum standpoint. Enough of that for now, just know that it won't hurt. Intention drives and changes outcome. Have a great weekend everyone.

I agree, I'll always defend the right of Okie and others to speak and even spread their nonsense and false hope/information. However, the ugly truth is that words mean something, people act on what they believe, and this is what we all have somewhat expected was taking place. A daisy chain of misinformed believers, well-meaning, sincere and innocent people, being drawn by the potential the RV has to change their miserable lives for the better. Most of us could use a positive change, I do. But it's truly sad to see how the misinformation is passed along as assumptive truth, of course making the person delivering the nonsense look pretty foolish. I simply do not understand how Okie can make such bold claims that so far have never come true or even remotely accurate in terms of timing and rates, which of course we all generally dismiss anyway. I'm not sure Okie has any bad intentions at all, he may believe all he says, it surely doesn't make it true. I hope that out of all these false alarms that folks have at least learned a lot about the rumor mill, about being gullible and about human nature. I know I have. I think the guy in this video will, or has found out the hard way not to stick your neck out on Okie Data...(Hahahah... anyone remember the printer company "Okidata".... sorry, couldn't help myself.

Wow!!!!!!!! A cry for help? Somebody needs to take a breath and try to string a full sentence together. This is truly fractured. A lot of emotion and babble but not really a coherent point. Sorry, I think you need to get off the bottle before you post next time. Or pass it to me so then it won't matter...