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3 minutes ago, umbertino said:

 

It appears Americans and African-Americans especially  have chosen Biden.....

 

I ( obviously an alien to voting ) am  personally extremely saddened by this turnout ....Which  I realize...had to be expected somehow......Fear still aligns in many US folks when it comes to Bernie....Fact...Ok....

 

My friend, though this great United States of America of ours has many social programs in the hopes of making the less fortunate, aged and people on hard times live's better, we as a country that clings hard to our freedoms will never majority support a self described democratic socialist.  I've got no doubt that Bernie's heart is in the right place....but free programs are never free.  So we will always walk that fine line in this country of how much is too much, and what's mine is mine and what's yours will be mine....just the way it is.  Everything in moderation, while keeping our freedoms intact.  My best to you and the harsh realities you deal with daily in your own country.  Be well.

 

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24 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

My friend, though this great United States of America of ours has many social programs in the hopes of making the less fortunate, aged and people on hard times live's better, we as a country that clings hard to our freedoms will never majority support system">support a self described democratic socialist.  I've got no doubt that Bernie's heart is in the right place....but free programs are never free.  So we will always walk that fine line in this country of how much is too much, and what's mine is mine and what's yours will be mine....just the way it is.  Everything in moderation, while keeping our freedoms intact.  My best to you and the harsh realities you deal with daily in your own country.  Be well.

 

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I understand....Thanks...But sometimes heart points South while brain goes North....

 

I still think and believe ( that's just one thing and I deem it absolutely paramount  for every nation of the world) that free Healthcare is a RIGHT for every citizen of any country, espe.  very low class and up depending on the income bracket.....One can't put a price tag on an Individual Health condition...JMVHO

 

You can't turn people away at ICU ( or whatever medical post) simply cos they do not have insurance or enough funds.....

 

In this extremely imperfect country which is Italy ( I'm the 1st one to acknowledge that of course) my Mother  ( and myself too in the past...for other medical issues not heart-related) was given heart surgery ( 2 mitralic valves and  bypasses .....5 hr.long surgery plus the stay the hospital for about 20 days) completely free...

 

Not in Trento which back then ( 1995) wasn't yet ready for that type of surgery ( now it is)...She was taken to Vicenza ( there's a big US military base there) and taken care of there....An hospital which takes care of US personnel as well.....

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1 hour ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

As a conservative Christian, supporting the Republican party and thus supporting their leader by default......Do you really want to go down that wife trail concerning Biden? 

 

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I am a Constitutional Conservative, Not a REPUBLICAN. But you already know that. 

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1 hour ago, umbertino said:

I ( obviously an alien to voting ) am  personally extremely saddened by this turnout ....Which  I realize...had to be expected somehow......Fear still aligns in many US folks when it comes to Bernie....Fact...Ok....

 

Its not just Bernie.  Warren was rejected as well.  Americans work hard and love their Country.  They are also smart and understand that Socialism will mean less for them and more for the illegal immigrants that are given a lot of free stuff just for breaking into our country.  

Why can’t immigrants enter our country legally like my grandparent?  Why is that such a hard concept?  It’s a rhetorical question.  We all know why and it’s BS.  America is a semi capitalist country, people will fight to the death to keep it that way.  

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1 hour ago, umbertino said:

 

 

I understand....Thanks...But sometimes heart points South while brain goes North....

 

I still think and believe ( that's just one thing and I deem it absolutely paramount  for every nation of the world) that free Healthcare is a RIGHT for every citizen of any country, espe.  very low class and up depending on the income bracket.....One can't put a price tag on an Individual Health condition...JMVHO

 

You can't turn people away at ICU ( or whatever medical post) simply cos they do not have insurance or enough funds.....

 

In this extremely imperfect country which is Italy ( I'm the 1st one to acknowledge that of course) my Mother  ( and myself too in the past...for other medical issues not heart-related) was given heart surgery ( 2 mitralic valves and  bypasses .....5 hr.long surgery plus the stay the hospital for about 20 days) completely free...

 

Not in Trento which back then ( 1995) wasn't yet ready for that type of surgery ( now it is)...She was taken to Vicenza ( there's a big US military base there) and taken care of there....An hospital which takes care of US personnel as well.....

 

I understand your stance here.....and I happen to agree a price shouldn't be put on living.  Everybody should have the right to healthcare....it shouldn't be the province of the Rich or those fortunate enough to afford health insurance.....Once again, it all comes back to money....just the way it is.  Many thousands of people in this country are bankrupted every year because of a life threatening disease they can't afford to fight.  It's an issue for sure.

 

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1 hour ago, umbertino said:

 

 

I understand....Thanks...But sometimes heart points South while brain goes North....

 

I still think and believe ( that's just one thing and I deem it absolutely paramount  for every nation of the world) that free Healthcare is a RIGHT for every citizen of any country, espe.  very low class and up depending on the income bracket.....One can't put a price tag on an Individual Health condition...JMVHO

 

You can't turn people away at ICU ( or whatever medical post) simply cos they do not have insurance or enough funds.....

 

In this extremely imperfect country which is Italy ( I'm the 1st one to acknowledge that of course) my Mother  ( and myself too in the past...for other medical issues not heart-related) was given heart surgery ( 2 mitralic valves and  bypasses .....5 hr.long surgery plus the stay the hospital for about 20 days) completely free...

 

Not in Trento which back then ( 1995) wasn't yet ready for that type of surgery ( now it is)...She was taken to Vicenza ( there's a big US military base there) and taken care of there....An hospital which takes care of US personnel as well.....

 

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Poll: Most Democrats in Super Tuesday states support Medicare for All-style plan

Christopher Wilson
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Yahoo NewsMarch 4, 2020
 
 
Supporters of with National Nurses United demonstrate in Miami. (Lynne Sladky/AP)
Supporters of with National Nurses United demonstrate in Miami. (Lynne Sladky/AP)

Super Tuesday didn’t go well for progressives: The Bernie Sanders campaign’s goal of expanding the electorate fell short as Joe Biden — the standard bearer of the moderate wing of the party who said Americans aren’t looking for a “revolution” — won a majority of the primaries and took a delegate lead in the race for the Democratic nomination.

But it wasn’t all bad news for those seeking large systemic changes, as CNN exit polling showed that a majority of Democrats in every single state that voted support a government plan for health care instead of private insurance. Support ranged from 50 percent exactly (to 45 percent opposed) in Massachusetts up to 73 percent support in Sanders' home state of Vermont, with some of the largest states to vote giving it a clear majority (63 percent in Texas to just 33 percent opposed and 57 percent in California to 36 percent opposed).

This follows trends from the first four states to vote, where the NBC News exit poll question “Do you support a single government health insurance plan for all?” was answered in the affirmative by 57 percent of respondents in Iowa, 58 percent in New Hampshire, 62 percent in Nevada and 50 percent in South Carolina.

The phrasing of the question is important, because Medicare for All polling is very much dependent on how the questions are worded. The various proposals to curb costs and improve care in the United States are confusing. Some respondents think Medicare for All means a public option, where you could retain your private insurance if you wanted or have the option to get a plan from the government. But Sanders and his allies envision a single-payer plan that would effectively end private insurance, replacing premiums, deductibles and co-pays with government outlays, paid for with higher taxes.

Neither exit poll question made that crucial distinction or specified that private insurance would be eliminated. Many other nations that have government health care plans also allow supplemental private insurance.

National polling shows cross-party support for the plan. A February Kaiser Family Foundation poll found 52 percent of Americans supporting "a national health plan, sometimes called Medicare-for-all, in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan.” This is down from polls in recent years. support peaked at 59 percent in March 2018, when 74 percent of Democrats and 50 percent of independents favored it.

And support for a single-payer plan comes in the face of opposition from many party leaders and widespread skepticism in the media. In nearly every debate, Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren faced questions on how they would pay for their plans, which their rivals attacked as wildly expensive and unrealistic.

Estimates for the cost of the plan are $30 trillion over 10 years, but Sanders maintains that the net cost to Americans would go down overall, in part by eliminating the overhead and profit margins of the insurance industry.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she wasn’t “a big fan” of Medicare for All and told insurance executives last year not to worry about a push for single-payer health care. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer has consistently declined to endorse the plan. There was one voice of support: Former President Barack Obama, who called it a “good idea” in September 2018.

Expanded government health programs face concerted opposition from the health care and insurance industry, whose top lobbyists formed what Politico called an “army” in November. The medical industry’s influence was demonstrated last year when a bill to curb surprise billing stalled in Congress after tens of millions were spent by an alliance of doctors and hospitals backed by private-equity firms.

Biden’s plan calls for a public option to supplement the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), but not a single-payer system. By the plan’s own admission, it would fail to cover 3 percent of Americans or about 10 million people.

Insurance companies were among those pleased with the Super Tuesday results, as Biden’s victory caused a spike in health insurance stock prices on Wednesday morning. On Monday, health insurers saw their biggest gain in five months after Sen. Amy Klobuchar and former Mayor Pete Buttigieg, two opponents of single-payer, announced they were supporting Biden.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/majority-democrats-every-primary-state-support-medicare-for-all-181631926.html

 

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2 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Nowhere in my statement did I say you were a Republican....I said conservative Christian.  :huh:

 

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I don't support the Spineless Republicans, but you already know that. I am, however, a STAUNCH SUPPORTER of Truth. 

Something that the Democrats know nothing about and the Republicans stumble into once in a while. 

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15 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

Uh-oh one the serial negmeisters showed up to spoil the debate.....don't be afraid, step into the light and speak....I don't bite.  :eyebrows:

 

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He won't...He's obviously enjoying his anonymous cowardice status ...As long as it lasts.....

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15 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

I still say a minority female running mate, such as Stacey Abrams is the way to go....The minority voters on the Left is a pretty powerful voice...toss in the disenfranchised women of the suburbs and it could be a very competitive presidential election.  As always, just my opinion.

 

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You're probably right ( meaning  correct)

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12 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

I understand your stance here.....and I happen to agree a price shouldn't be put on living.  Everybody should have the right to healthcare....it shouldn't be the province of the Rich or those fortunate enough to afford health insurance.....Once again, it all comes back to money....just the way it is.  Many thousands of people in this country are bankrupted every year because of a life threatening disease they can't afford to fight.  It's an issue for sure.

 

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Trump got some bad news on Super Tuesday: Democratic voters are eager to show him the door

 
Sally Kohn, Opinion columnnist USA TODAY OpinionMarch 5, 2020
 
 

The best news for Democrats in the Super Tuesday results may not be the surge of Joe Biden, or Bernie Sanders hanging on, or even Mike Bloomberg dropping out (although I am personally extra thrilled about that). No, the best news is the record and near record turnout of Democratic voters all across the country. Whoever the eventual nominee is, it’s clear that Democrats are fired up and ready to vote to defeat Donald Trump.

In Virginia, Democratic primary turnout was the highest on record, surpassing the previous record set in 2008. In fact, 23% of registered Virginians cast ballots on Super Tuesday, which almost doubled primary turnout from 2016. 

Utah saw a turnout in Tuesday’s Democratic primary that eclipsed previous turnout for any primary held in the state, among Democrats or Republicans.   

In North Carolina, voter turnout was also up over 2016 numbers. And early voting had a strong surge — with almost twice as many Democrats in the state casting early ballots compared with Republicans. 

Record-breaking voter turnouts

Numbers are still being crunched, but U.S. News and World Report detailed high turnout across the country. Early evidence suggests that Texas saw an increase of nearly a half-million primary ballots cast over 2016 numbers. In Maine, turnout was so high that many polling stations ran out of Democratic primary ballots. 

And that’s all on top of record turnout in both South Carolina and New Hampshire

Residents cast their ballots during the Democratic presidential primary in Beverly Hills, California, on March 3, 2020.
Residents cast their ballots during the Democratic presidential primary in Beverly Hills, California, on March 3, 2020.

Plus, according to the Human Rights Campaign, LGBTQ voters doubled their representation in Super Tuesday turnout, over previous primary elections. 

Other outcomes from the Super Tuesday primaries are still being analyzed, but The New York Times has reported on how Latino voters are expected to provide a decisive surge in California, Texas and beyond. 

In other words, if you’re looking for your silver lining, Democrats, I got it right here. In a crazy, crowded primary election in which the only thing Democrats consistently seem able to agree on is that they want to defeat Trump, in the primary elections Democrats are indeed enthusiastically showing up. 

 

Let’s be honest, there are and have been some amazing Democratic presidential candidates in this election, but no single candidate has yet galvanized a strong and enduring majority of support. That could certainly change any day, but it’s notable to see record turnout in primaries when there’s not excitement around some single candidate driving that turnout — as we saw, for instance, with Barack Obama in 2008. You’ve got Democrats turning up in record numbers in Utah to nominate Sanders and Democrats turning up in record numbers in South Carolina to nominate Biden. 

The through line doesn’t appear to be any one candidate but, rather, Democratic enthusiasm and energy.  We’re just chomping at the bit to vote for anyone but Trump. 

Trump and GOP can't stop us

To be clear, there are some clouds in this silver lining. Young voters aren’t turning out at the levels that helped put Obama in the White House and that would certainly help put Democrats over the top this fall. In Texas, for instance, NBC News’ exit polls show that the share of Democratic primary voters over the age of 65 was almost twice as high as in 2008, and still overrepresented compared with the state’s growing younger population

There are also concerns about suppression. Part of the record lines reported at polling stations across our nation might have had to do with record turnout, but they also stemmed from Republicans shuttering polling locations and imposing new ID requirements, making voters work even harder and wait even longer to cast their ballots. 

For instance, when CNN’s Ed Lavandera tweeted about a man at Texas Southern University who spent nearly seven hours waiting to be able to cast his vote, commentator and advocate Keith Boykin noted, “Texas has closed 750 polling places since 2012, many in black and brown communities, causing long lines and waits.”

 

What is extraordinarily and unfortunately clear is that Trump and Republicans don’t want an election that includes every voter and treats them equally, just like they don’t want our nation to include all of us and treat all of us equally. 

And while it is not yet clear who Democrats will nominate as our standard-bearer to face Trump and the GOP in this existential, epoch-defining electoral battle in November, it is increasingly clear that Democrats are fired up for that fight — and in spite of all the obstacles, going to damn well make sure our voices are heard. While we don’t yet know who is the ultimate winner of this raucous, energetic Democratic primary, Trump is the loser.      

 

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-got-bad-news-super-100023130.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_index

 

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Texas Officials Have Already Rigged The 2020 Election. Super Tuesday Is Proof.

HuffPostMarch 4, 2020, 6:10 PM EST
 
 

On Super Tuesday, long lines at a number of Texas polling stations cast a pall over the Democratic primary, sowing confusion and anger on an otherwise clarifying day for the party.

Voters line up at a polling station during the presidential primary in Houston on March 3, 2020. (Photo: MARK FELIX via Getty Images)
Voters line up at a polling station during the presidential primary in Houston on March 3, 2020. (Photo: MARK FELIX via Getty Images)

Texas Democrats chose to award a plurality of their convention delegates to former Vice President Joe Biden. But people were forced to wait hours to vote on Tuesday in part because for several years, the state has systematically closed polling places in communities with large and growing Black and Latino populations. And that casts doubt on whether Democrats actually have a chance to turn the state blue in 2020, regardless of whom they nominate. 

Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke endorses Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden at Gilley's in Dallas on March 2, 2020. (Photo: Elizabeth Frantz / Reuters)
Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke endorses Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden at Gilley's in Dallas on March 2, 2020. (Photo: Elizabeth Frantz / Reuters)

Many of the polling sites with long waits on Tuesday were in Harris County, which includes Houston, the state’s largest city. Harris County is 40% Latino and 19% Black

A 2019 report from the Leadership Conference Education Fund (LCEF), a civil rights organization, found that Texas election officials rapidly eliminated polling places in Black and Latino communities after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act in 2013. The law had previously required a number of states with histories of racist voting practices, like Texas, to seek federal approval before making changes to their election rules. According to the LCEF report, Harris County closed 52 polling places from 2012 to 2018, more than all but three other counties nationwide did in the same period. 

On Super Tuesday, some Harris County residents said they had to wait in line for several hours to vote, according to the Texas Tribune. CNN reported that the last voter at Texas Southern University, a college in the county, waited almost seven hours to cast a ballot. 

 

The last voter at Texas Southern University has walked out of the voting booth. It took Hervis Rogers nearly 7 hours to vote tonight. #supertuesday2020

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An analysis by The Guardian found that Texas officials have been methodical about closing the most sites in communities with the largest-growing Black and Latino populations. The publication found that the 50 Texas counties that gained the most Black and Latino residents from 2012 to 2018 eliminated 542 polling sites over that span, while the 50 counties that gained the fewest Black and Latino residents during that time eliminated only 34 sites. 

On Tuesday, a spokesperson for the Texas Democratic Party said these closures are part of voter suppression efforts by state Republicans. 

“People have died to fight for the sanctity of the vote,” spokesperson Abhi Rahman told HuffPost. “Republicans’ only way to retain power is to basically curb the vote, and we’re fighting back against all of those attempts,” he added.

 

Voters wait in line to cast their ballot in the Democratic primary at a Houston polling place on Super Tuesday. (Photo: Callaghan O'Hare / Reuters)
Voters wait in line to cast their ballot in the Democratic primary at a Houston polling place on Super Tuesday. (Photo: Callaghan O'Hare / Reuters)

Harris County elected a Democrat to run its elections in 2018. Diane Trautman replaced Republican clerk Stan Stanart, who was notorious in Texas for his handling of the county’s elections and his unfounded claims that Democrats were trying to corrupt them. Trautman’s office did not respond to HuffPost’s request for comment, but on Wednesday the clerk effectively acknowledged Tuesday’s problems. 

“There is no such thing as a perfect election,” Trautman tweeted, “but I am committed to always improving the voting process and increasing access to the polls.”

One day removed from Super Tuesday, it is impossible to know the full impact of those long lines. The lines may have dissuaded some people from voting in Tuesday’s primary, but they may also have discouraged potential Democratic voters from participating in future elections, including the contest in November. And that decision ― unfortunate as it would be ― wouldn’t necessarily prove a lack of civic responsibility. If a voter made sacrifices to vote on Tuesday (say, they altered their work schedule or paid a babysitter), they may be unable to make a similar commitment later this year. 

Voter suppression works by instilling such an acute sense of dread in those trying to vote ― about the hours and resources and effort it will take ― that they don’t or even can’t make the attempt. We have no idea how many people in Texas endured the grueling long lines on Tuesday, cast their ballot, and now may choose (or feel forced) to sit out future elections. 

Finding a solution to this kind of voter disenfranchisement will be just as important to Democrats’ hopes of turning Texas blue and winning in 2020 ― if not more important ― than the candidate Democrats select to lead the ticket.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/texas-super-tuesday-rigged-election-231049446.html

 

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Texas Officials Have Already Rigged The 2020 Election. Super Tuesday Is Proof.

HuffPostMarch 4, 2020, 6:10 PM EST
 
 

On Super Tuesday, long lines at a number of Texas polling stations cast a pall over the Democratic primary, sowing confusion and anger on an otherwise clarifying day for the party.

Voters line up at a polling station during the presidential primary in Houston on March 3, 2020. (Photo: MARK FELIX via Getty Images)
Voters line up at a polling station during the presidential primary in Houston on March 3, 2020. (Photo: MARK FELIX via Getty Images)

Texas Democrats chose to award a plurality of their convention delegates to former Vice President Joe Biden. But people were forced to wait hours to vote on Tuesday in part because for several years, the state has systematically closed polling places in communities with large and growing Black and Latino populations. And that casts doubt on whether Democrats actually have a chance to turn the state blue in 2020, regardless of whom they nominate. 

Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke endorses Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden at Gilley's in Dallas on March 2, 2020. (Photo: Elizabeth Frantz / Reuters)
Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke endorses Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden at Gilley's in Dallas on March 2, 2020. (Photo: Elizabeth Frantz / Reuters)

Many of the polling sites with long waits on Tuesday were in Harris County, which includes Houston, the state’s largest city. Harris County is 40% Latino and 19% Black

A 2019 report from the Leadership Conference Education Fund (LCEF), a civil rights organization, found that Texas election officials rapidly eliminated polling places in Black and Latino communities after the Supreme Court overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act in 2013. The law had previously required a number of states with histories of racist voting practices, like Texas, to seek federal approval before making changes to their election rules. According to the LCEF report, Harris County closed 52 polling places from 2012 to 2018, more than all but three other counties nationwide did in the same period. 

On Super Tuesday, some Harris County residents said they had to wait in line for several hours to vote, according to the Texas Tribune. CNN reported that the last voter at Texas Southern University, a college in the county, waited almost seven hours to cast a ballot. 

 

The last voter at Texas Southern University has walked out of the voting booth. It took Hervis Rogers nearly 7 hours to vote tonight. #supertuesday2020

View image on Twitter
 
 
 

An analysis by The Guardian found that Texas officials have been methodical about closing the most sites in communities with the largest-growing Black and Latino populations. The publication found that the 50 Texas counties that gained the most Black and Latino residents from 2012 to 2018 eliminated 542 polling sites over that span, while the 50 counties that gained the fewest Black and Latino residents during that time eliminated only 34 sites. 

On Tuesday, a spokesperson for the Texas Democratic Party said these closures are part of voter suppression efforts by state Republicans. 

“People have died to fight for the sanctity of the vote,” spokesperson Abhi Rahman told HuffPost. “Republicans’ only way to retain power is to basically curb the vote, and we’re fighting back against all of those attempts,” he added.

 

Voters wait in line to cast their ballot in the Democratic primary at a Houston polling place on Super Tuesday. (Photo: Callaghan O'Hare / Reuters)
Voters wait in line to cast their ballot in the Democratic primary at a Houston polling place on Super Tuesday. (Photo: Callaghan O'Hare / Reuters)

Harris County elected a Democrat to run its elections in 2018. Diane Trautman replaced Republican clerk Stan Stanart, who was notorious in Texas for his handling of the county’s elections and his unfounded claims that Democrats were trying to corrupt them. Trautman’s office did not respond to HuffPost’s request for comment, but on Wednesday the clerk effectively acknowledged Tuesday’s problems. 

“There is no such thing as a perfect election,” Trautman tweeted, “but I am committed to always improving the voting process and increasing access to the polls.”

One day removed from Super Tuesday, it is impossible to know the full impact of those long lines. The lines may have dissuaded some people from voting in Tuesday’s primary, but they may also have discouraged potential Democratic voters from participating in future elections, including the contest in November. And that decision ― unfortunate as it would be ― wouldn’t necessarily prove a lack of civic responsibility. If a voter made sacrifices to vote on Tuesday (say, they altered their work schedule or paid a babysitter), they may be unable to make a similar commitment later this year. 

Voter suppression works by instilling such an acute sense of dread in those trying to vote ― about the hours and resources and effort it will take ― that they don’t or even can’t make the attempt. We have no idea how many people in Texas endured the grueling long lines on Tuesday, cast their ballot, and now may choose (or feel forced) to sit out future elections. 

Finding a solution to this kind of voter disenfranchisement will be just as important to Democrats’ hopes of turning Texas blue and winning in 2020 ― if not more important ― than the candidate Democrats select to lead the ticket.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/texas-super-tuesday-rigged-election-231049446.html

 

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My take is what has a greater affect in Texas is the "blue" wave crashing in from California.....

 

Arizona and Nevada.....same thing.....all those fleeing high taxes, yet bringing the sanctuary policy and all the rest of the failed Cali State policies with them .....at least in concept...

More than one way to flip a State......     CL

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My take is what has a greater affect in Texas is the "blue" wave crashing in from California.....

 

Arizona and Nevada.....same thing.....all those fleeing high taxes, yet bringing the sanctuary policy and all the rest of the failed Cali State policies with them .....at least in concept...

More than one way to flip a State......     CL

 

Don't really understand what you're saying.....You're not advocating the suppression of certain United States citizen's rights to vote, are you?

 

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1 minute ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Don't really understand what you're saying.....You're not advocating the suppression of certain United States citizen's rights to vote, are you?

 

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Was taking it in a different direction......my take isn't on rigging.......rather California migration of registered voters who are tipping the scales.

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3 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

 

Was taking it in a different direction......my take isn't on rigging.......rather California migration of registered voters who are tipping the scales.

CL

 

Sure, I understand that part.....but voter suppression is never okay, most certainly not in this country....voting rights are every bit as important as gun rights.

 

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Was taking it in a different direction......my take isn't on rigging.......rather California migration of registered voters who are tipping the scales.

CL

Progressives from Ca have screwed up the state so bad they are leaving bringing their progressive ideas with them to other states. They are blind to it or do it on purpose.

 

Maybe there were long lines because of a higher turnout? 

 

If people concerned with voter suppression were just as concerned with voter fraud I would give a point. 

 

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Voter suppression!   If you truly want to vote no one will stop you.  The Dems are always whining about suppression, so they can convince everyone to change the laws to have everyone vote on the Internet.  What kind of shenanigans will that produce.  

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