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opps!!!! sorry nick...meant to give you a ++++++++++++ you are right ...sorry again !!!!

Mayb someone can fix it...again so sorry. You'll love Frisco not far from me

hahah! its ok i evened myself back out, i checked it out over thanksgiving and its amazing, i mean i hear it can get kinda hot in the summer but i dont think it will compare to being in 75 lbs of gear in Al Assad airbase in iraq!

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Texan huh? funny you say that im moving to Texas in February, Frisco to be exact. Cannot wait to live there! such and amazing place compared to Connecticut !

Down the road from me too, we'll get together when you get here......great place to live.

opps!!!! sorry nick...meant to give you a ++++++++++++ you are right ...sorry again !!!!

Mayb someone can fix it...again so sorry. You'll love Frisco not far from me

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Its very sad that you believe America entered into WW2 because of japan. In no way shape or form did the U.S feel that japan was anywhere close to being a major threat to US Foreign Policy and Border Security. Suicide Attacks by pilots who didn't have enough fuel to make it back to Japan or their carriers proved that the Japanese had no means to be involved in a war with the U.S. without backing from none other than GERMANY GERMANY GERMANY: HENCE why it only took the USMC island campaign and 2 Bombs to make Japan Surrender. Why didn't you include that in your Google article? oh that's right. Because all you did for research was Google it. You can sit there all day and try to say that America entered WW2 because of japan. But its no where close to being the reason. Once the U,S realized that the Europeans could not hold there fronts is when we got involved. Thats when we evacuated thousands of french and British and replaced them with our soldiers. All Europe did was give America time to prepare for war. Do yourself a favor and order WW2 in color from the history channel. Then come back to me and try an argument, Japan was not the real enemy. Germany was.

I am simply quoting what historical records say in regards to this matter.......sorry you take it so personally.......For me personally....I wasn't born yet.

So here are what some other folks have written....

"But the key to America's early involvement occurred on September 28, 1940, when Japan, Germany and Italy signed the Tripartite Treaty. This treaty required that any of the three nations had to respond by declaring war should any one of the other three be attacked by any of the Allied nations. This meant that should Japan attack the United States, and the United States responded by declaring war against Japan, it would automatically be at war with the other two nations, Germany and Italy. Roosevelt now knew that war with Japan meant war with Germany. His problem was solved."

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/ww2.htm

Please feel free to enlighten us ....with your links as to why you think these events took place.

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I am simply quoting what historical records say in regards to this matter.......sorry you take it so personally.......For me personally....I wasn't born yet.

So here are what some other folks have written....

"But the key to America's early involvement occurred on September 28, 1940, when Japan, Germany and Italy signed the Tripartite Treaty. This treaty required that any of the three nations had to respond by declaring war should any one of the other three be attacked by any of the Allied nations. This meant that should Japan attack the United States, and the United States responded by declaring war against Japan, it would automatically be at war with the other two nations, Germany and Italy."

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/ww2.htm

Please feel free to enlighten us ....with your links as to why you think these events took place.

Roosevelt now knew that war with Japan meant war with Germany. His problem was solved.

The problem is I don't need links. When America uses ONE branch of the military to CONTAIN a whole country from expanding a war in the pacific, BUT utilizes All branches of military service to stop the occupation of Germany in Europe.. well thats all the proof you need. Your gonna need a billion links to prove to me that Japan was more of a threat than Germany. Period. End of story. So please, Keep posting your links about how you think America Entered into WW2 because of Japan. Our involvement in WW2 was imminent. Regardless of whether Japan attacked us or not.

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WELCOME TO TEXAS I think you will love it here i do ,LOTS OF FRIENDLY FOLK HERE am VERY PROUD TO BE A TEXAN :)

PPG, there's gonna be alot of Texans in the Penthouse suit Carrello set up for us in Vegas.......party on Garth.... I mean PPG

Added a little Texas slang in there and Wayne's World, could you tell???.... ;):lol:

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PPG, there's gonna be alot of Texans in the Penthouse suit Carrello set up for us in Vegas.......party on Garth.... I mean PPG

Added a little Texas slang in there and Wayne's World, could you tell???.... ;):lol:

Haha! i think ill be proud to be a Texan to, Especially because they have one of the best economies in the U.S right now. And there is nothing I love more than the Southern Hospitality (not referring to Ludacris hit single) you receive. I hold doors open for people up here in CT and don't receive a thank you or even a smile. Its baffling how you can go from the North to South and all Mannerisms change.

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PPG, there's gonna be alot of Texans in the Penthouse suit Carrello set up for us in Vegas.......party on Garth.... I mean PPG

Added a little Texas slang in there and Wayne's World, could you tell???.... ;):lol:

HAHA I FOR ONE CANNOT WAIT TO MEET ALL THESE PEOPLE I HAVE COME TO KNOW BY WAY OF THIS INVESTMENT IT IS REALLY GIONG TOO BE A BLAST AND YEA HAHA I CAUGHT THAT :D

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The problem is I don't need links. When America uses ONE branch of the military to CONTAIN a whole country from expanding a war in the pacific, BUT utilizes All branches of military service to stop the occupation of Germany in Europe.. well thats all the proof you need. Your gonna need a billion links to prove to me that Japan was more of a threat than Germany. Period. End of story. So please, Keep posting your links about how you think America Entered into WW2 because of Japan. Our involvement in WW2 was imminent. Regardless of whether Japan attacked us or not.

I'm speechless..

“It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God."--- Thomas Jefferson

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I'm speechless..

“It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God."--- Thomas Jefferson

I dont want to sound like a jerk, really. But i just cant understand how anyone can believe that the U.S. entered WW2 because of an attack from Japan. Especially after they surrendered 3 years after the initial attack. The links your posting are backing up my argument to you. Articles that state " Americas EARLY INVOLVEMENT in WW2 was due to Japan." key words being Early Involvement. Do a little more research. Find out that all it took to contain Japan was an Island Hopping Campaign that only involved the Marine Corps. and no other branch of the military. I don't need links because i know these facts to be true. I don't need to Google it. Im not making up history here, its archived.. When America Used such a small faction of the military to contain a WHOLE COUNTRY but then used almost all of our military sources to stop Germany, how can you argue that Japan was the reason we went to war. Its ilogical

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Yes, and we could have stayed another 30 years and nothing would change. You cannot change behavior that has been part of a culture for centuries.

But, of course, any moron would know that.

I agree with Carrello we could have stayed longer and things may not have changed at all, these people have been fighting since the beginning of time(Bible days) and will continue to fight until Jesus comes back. We can only hope and pray that they can come to some sort of mutual peace if only for a while, in order to get their business and their country going in the right direction.

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I agree with Carrello we could have stayed longer and things may not have changed at all, these people have been fighting since the beginning of time(Bible days) and will continue to fight until Jesus comes back. We can only hope and pray that they can come to some sort of mutual peace if only for a while, in order to get their business and their country going in the right direction.

This is true, we could of stayed longer. And spent billions of taxpayers money to police a country, but i do believe America got their point across, that a democratic way of life is ideal in any situation presented by the world these days.I mean look at all the uprisings in the middle east, Libya, Egypt, etc. I think eventually it will stick, and that's the best shot we have at improving these peoples lives. To influence the young that will be leaders someday and get through to them that; hey democracy may not be the best way to do things, but in this day and age it is.

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I dont want to sound like a jerk, really. But i just cant understand how anyone can believe that the U.S. entered WW2 because of an attack from Japan. Especially after they surrendered 3 years after the initial attack. The links your posting are backing up my argument to you. Articles that state " Americas EARLY INVOLVEMENT in WW2 was due to Japan." key words being Early Involvement. Do a little more research. Find out that all it took to contain Japan was an Island Hopping Campaign that only involved the Marine Corps. and no other branch of the military. I don't need links because i know these facts to be true. I don't need to Google it. Im not making up history here, its archived.. When America Used such a small faction of the military to contain a WHOLE COUNTRY but then used almost all of our military sources to stop Germany, how can you argue that Japan was the reason we went to war. Its ilogical

December 8, 1941 was the date of the US declaration of war, but in fact the US was at war on December 7, 1941 at about 7:55 AM when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

This war, while not unexpected, was not the war the US wanted to be in because it was felt that Germany was the greater threat. Hitler didn't declare war against the US until December 11, 1941, in support of his Axis agreements with Japan.

Before The Declaration

US warships were involved in fighting prior to December 7, 1941. The USS Niblack attacked a German U Boat on April 10, 1941. The USS Niblack was involved in the US occupation of Iceland. And US warships provided escort to convoys to England prior to the declaration, under the Lend-Lease Act.

Before the actual attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor, of which the Americans stated they had no foreknowledge, the US Navy attacked and sank a midget submarine trying to enter Pearl Harbor. The AVG, comprised of US pilots and P-40 aircraft, was set up April 15, 1941 by Roosevelt to provide support to China against the Japanese who invaded beginning in 1937.

In June, 1941, the US (with about 3000 soldiers) occupied Iceland. Iceland had been invaded by Britain in May 1940. The Iceland government protested the British Invasion. Britain handed over the control of Iceland to the USA in June 1941.

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it's jerks like you that make this life hard to cope with. Your one of the war mongers that think every time something isn't done to your liking it should be met with force. We was in the war because France and the other Countries needed our help. And we volunteered.

Iraq didn't ask for our help. They were fine the way they were. It is our greedy Politicians that saw a bundle to be made with this war so they created a reason to go in there. Now "YOU" say we didn't mess them up enough! Big man. We are the Untied States and we can do anything we want. Really! Wait the day we mess with china, then get on your knees and pray to God to forgive you. Because there won't be any place to hide.

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This is true, we could of stayed longer. And spent billions of taxpayers money to police a country, but i do believe America got their point across, that a democratic way of life is ideal in any situation presented by the world these days.I mean look at all the uprisings in the middle east, Libya, Egypt, etc. I think eventually it will stick, and that's the best shot we have at improving these peoples lives. To influence the young that will be leaders someday and get through to them that; hey democracy may not be the best way to do things, but in this day and age it is.

http://www.c4cg.org/republic.htm

The USA is a Republic.......Democracy simply means that 51% can rule while 49% get the shaft...One step away from Socialism

.A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good)..

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So Ronbo62 gets a pat on the back for his outburst.

Your right, I couldnt care less on this count.

Dont, see any insults on any of my other posts do you.

This guy just pushed the wrong buttons. :blink:

CARRELLO :P

So Ronbo62 gets a pat on the back for his outburst.

Your right, I couldnt care less on this count.

Dont, see any insults on any of my other posts do you.

This guy just pushed the wrong buttons.

ps My comment to Stryker had to do with behavior.

But I have to thank you. Seeing my fake name in a HUGE FONT size really gave me a thrill, all the way down my leg. Oh, look, there it is again.

Stryker, I'm going to have a cigarette. B)

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December 8, 1941 was the date of the US declaration of war, but in fact the US was at war on December 7, 1941 at about 7:55 AM when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

This war, while not unexpected, was not the war the US wanted to be in because it was felt that Germany was the greater threat. Hitler didn't declare war against the US until December 11, 1941, in support of his Axis agreements with Japan.

Before The Declaration

US warships were involved in fighting prior to December 7, 1941. The USS Niblack attacked a German U Boat on April 10, 1941. The USS Niblack was involved in the US occupation of Iceland. And US warships provided escort to convoys to England prior to the declaration, under the Lend-Lease Act.

Before the actual attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor, of which the Americans stated they had no foreknowledge, the US Navy attacked and sank a midget submarine trying to enter Pearl Harbor. The AVG, comprised of US pilots and P-40 aircraft, was set up April 15, 1941 by Roosevelt to provide support to China against the Japanese who invaded beginning in 1937.

In June, 1941, the US (with about 3000 soldiers) occupied Iceland. Iceland had been invaded by Britain in May 1940. The Iceland government protested the British Invasion. Britain handed over the control of Iceland to the USA in June 1941.

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Im not exactly sure whose side of the argument your going with but for the sake of common knowledge... here it goes

WW2 was nothing more than a strategic chess game played by the USA. Germany had an outstanding attack force and by waiting so long to enter WW2 the US had gained strategic control of the war. Germany made the fatal mistake of engaging in to many "war fronts" and spreading their supply lines, as well as communication lines sparsely. In doing so battle plans for D DAY were made, a very risky war plan which in the end gave control to the Allies. America knew that if they entered the war to early, Trekking hundreds of thousand of troops across Germany would put them in just as bad a predicament as Hitler did with his army. So and amphibious assault proved to be the best way to cripple multiple German strong holds at once. Paratroopers were dropped behind Normandy into France to neutralize retreating German forces and thus cripple communications furthermore. The lack of Supplies and Comm. support were leading factors in the Allied victory.

America did not intend to stay out of the war, Our military leaders were the best at the time, and remain the best. By waiting so long to enter WW2 the U.S ultimately won the war. All they were doing was waiting for the Germans to spread their forces out to much, then we overcame them with overwhelming force. i.e D DAY.

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Before Pearl Harbour, America began to starve Japan of oil with an oil embargo

This imposed an enormous pressure on Japan which meant that, without huge territorial gains of oil-producing territory, Japan would run out of oil in one month. This embargo had been imposed in a large part in attempt to prevent the Japanese attacking oil-rich British territory in East Asia (what now includes Malaysia and Singapore) and also territories possessed by Britain’s ally Holland.

http://americaintheworld.typepad.com/briefings/2008/08/america-and-t-1.html

DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR TO ANYONE??....Maybe ......maybe ....IRAN.. :rolleyes:

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http://www.c4cg.org/republic.htm

The USA is a Republic.......Democracy simply means that 51% can rule while 49% get the shaft...One step away from Socialism

.A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good)..

Im sorry I'm not understanding the part of my post where i said America is a full blown democratic nation? i posted that America tried to instill in Iraq a DEMOCRATIC approach to a government

h.o lemme go find a link... oh wait a minute i already know what a democracy is

uhhhhhh oh yeah ; Democracy in its most ideal form would be a society in which all adult citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives.

HMM LAST TIME I CHECKED, THAT HAPPENS HERE IN THE OLD United States of America. We are a republic, you are totally correct. But we have a democratic approach to government.

Stop trying to debunk and over-analyze everything i say. and actually read what I'm writing. Thanks.

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it's jerks like you that make this life hard to cope with. Your one of the war mongers that think every time something isn't done to your liking it should be met with force. We was in the war because France and the other Countries needed our help. And we volunteered.

Iraq didn't ask for our help. They were fine the way they were. It is our greedy Politicians that saw a bundle to be made with this war so they created a reason to go in there. Now "YOU" say we didn't mess them up enough! Big man. We are the Untied States and we can do anything we want. Really! Wait the day we mess with china, then get on your knees and pray to God to forgive you. Because there won't be any place to hide.

Ok do you talk like this to everybody that disagree with your beliefs, to call them names,you are the one being a Jerk

First assuming you are a American, without War do you think the Freedoms an Rights you have would be even possible without War, Nope. Not a war person or anybody else in here, Its cool to disagree but show some respect.

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Before Pearl Harbour, America began to starve Japan of oil with an oil embargo

This imposed an enormous pressure on Japan which meant that, without huge territorial gains of oil-producing territory, Japan would run out of oil in one month. This embargo had been imposed in a large part in attempt to prevent the Japanese attacking oil-rich British territory in East Asia (what now includes Malaysia and Singapore) and also territories possessed by Britain’s ally Holland.

http://americaintheworld.typepad.com/briefings/2008/08/america-and-t-1.html

DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR TO ANYONE??....Maybe ......maybe ....IRAN.. :rolleyes:

Your right its does sound familiar, except its opposite. Were not cutting imports of oil to Iran, Were asking allied nations to Stop buying oil from Iran, which is just as devastating. IMO America is basically telling Iran if they don't keep their dirty hands of Iraq, than were gonna create very big problems for them.

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