Note from pheonix....Bring lots of sugar the kool-ade has a sour taste.

[webup]

millions? ... that was years ago.

IF the US is allowed to default and he has bet that that will happen - he will stand to make Billions, not millions.

It makes me sad that still today this stuff goes on.

While its true that its their money yadda yadda and they can do as they please with it, wouldn't it be great if instead of risking your billion dollars hoping your own economy goes down the drain so you can be even richer,you used that billion dollars for good and help those suffering,struggling and needy.

Im no billionaire an nor would I ever want to become one,I have too much of a conscience and love my fellow man to ever stash that amount of money.

[Gasketman]

What exactly do you mean by US downgrade?

Is this a serious question? Watch the news once in awhile! The downgrade of the US credit rating. Once this happens inflation and interest rates will go up and the dollar will go down. Obama is hell bent on destroying the country and ths s a good way to start. I hope all the morons that voted for change are happy.

[nemesis760]

I am incredulous at the ridiculousness of your post. How can you NOT understand the vast implications? This is not a casual matter like choosing not to pay on a department store credit card. We would lose the reserve currency status that we presently enjoy. All oil transactions in the world are made in USD. We would immediately join the world in paying seven to ten dollars per gallon for gasoline. Our cargo and freight transportation industry would virtually implode. Our cities would be in chaos nearly instantly. The greatest majority of people could not afford to get to work every day. Public transportation is not geared to handle the millions upon millions of people who travel into our cities daily. What do you mean would it make sense? NO. NO. NO. In fact, that is one of the dumbest suggestions I've ever heard.

Lets see, the simple answer as to why I do not know National credit score and implications... I never gave a rat's ass. There are too many things in the world that are too far out of my control to stress worry or contemplate. Which is why I asked a question, I didn't state a fact or implicate that i have a degree in Finance or foreign policy or whatever covers national debt and its workings. As much as it is in my nature to retaliate, I will simply state, thank you for answering the question, once I got through the unwarrented brow beating text, i now understand.

[drummerboy]

Just tell them that the industry that supports them has polluted it to the point of no return(scare them).And that the only way to change it is to buy it from a bottle .(that they control the price on).

Now your in business selling something that was free before.

hahahahahahahaha CAN YOU SEE MY POINT

So you mean PTR and PD... I get it.

[The RockStar]

I understand that speculation drives the market. I also understand the implications of losing our AAA rating. Great Britain held the baton before we slid into the reserve spot. Go back and look at the way the British economy began to fold up due to the loss of their position and then extrapolate that by a factor of many... How much I know about oil isn't the point.

By the way, I have spent the last twent-five years in the Petrochemical and Oil refineries. I know that the supply is artificially manipulated based on anticipated demand and I know that the American government has further exacerbated the matter by the senseless regulations that lead to regional formulation requirements. I know enough to hold my own.

Ok so got that cleared up you know oil .Great then you will also agree that the Pound has not dropped below the dollar since we became # 1

Seems like a pretty good thing don't you think having the dollar worth 2.60 against any other world currency .We are the only ones on the planet that could do it with new high-tec and not oil with the wave of the future green energy not oil .

It makes me sad that still today this stuff goes on.

While its true that its their money yadda yadda and they can do as they please with it, wouldn't it be great if instead of risking your billion dollars hoping your own economy goes down the drain so you can be even richer,you used that billion dollars for good and help those suffering,struggling and needy.

Im no billionaire an nor would I ever want to become one,I have too much of a conscience and love my fellow man to ever stash that amount of money.

I agree totally how much dose it take. But i think you may be surprised very soon by what the powers that be have in store for the stupid rich .

[PartyTime]

What exactly do you mean by US downgrade?

If they don't get this raising the debt limit settled the US is going to have their credit rating downgraded. If they down grade the US credit rating, watch the domino effect hit as interest rates rise and borrowing becomes next to impossible. Things start crashing! When things crash, someone benefits from that big time! Then when the crash bottoms out, they buy in big and benefit big time again on the way back up.

Just like this RV. If this RV is anything what most are expecting it to be, where the dinar is RV'd at $3+ USD to the $1 Dinar, this is going to boost the value of the dollar up, and gold and silver will drop down. Then that will be the time to jump in and but up gold and silver once that bottoms out because the increase in the dollar will only be temporary and will fall again, which will cause gold and silver to skyrocket!

[AZ Native]

Just watch the metal markets. When it hits and they fall, then you make the move.

[Texas1]

It makes me sad that still today this stuff goes on.

While its true that its their money yadda yadda and they can do as they please with it, wouldn't it be great if instead of risking your billion dollars hoping your own economy goes down the drain so you can be even richer,you used that billion dollars for good and help those suffering,struggling and needy.

Im no billionaire an nor would I ever want to become one,I have too much of a conscience and love my fellow man to ever stash that amount of money.

Thank you for this pic. They say a picture is worth a thousand words.....only one word comes to mind....help. Think about this pic after the rv, should it turn out as you planned.

[pureau79]

Lets see, the simple answer as to why I do not know National credit score and implications... I never gave a rat's ass. There are too many things in the world that are too far out of my control to stress worry or contemplate. Which is why I asked a question, I didn't state a fact or implicate that i have a degree in Finance or foreign policy or whatever covers national debt and its workings. As much as it is in my nature to retaliate, I will simply state, thank you for answering the question, once I got through the unwarrented brow beating text, i now understand.

Nemesis, It is difficult for me to remember that there are many people that do not know about such things. For the "brow beating", I apologize. It is a very passionate subject for me and I lose my ability to contain myself occassionally. I raised my children (seven of them), worked all I could work and studied world events out of a deep sense of patriotism and concern for posterity. You see, the world I leave behind for my children should be better than the world I was born into. Yet, for all our technology and social engineering, the world my grandchildren are set to inherit is on the verge of economic collapse and chaos. I'm not a doom-sayer, nor am I a conspiracy theorist, but it seems that there may actually be a conspiracy to erode personal freedoms to a non-existent state. The push toward multi-culturalism and the citizens of the world mentality will bring us down, because the world has proven that it will not come up to our level. Clearly, anyone can understand there is only free, or slave. The American people are being enslaved, first by their own individual lusts and secondly, by an ever present, ever growing federal government that is regulating jobs into oblivion. It is no wonder that businesses are fleeing CONUS for other countries. Our tax code is broken. Federal spending is out of control. It is difficult for me to remember that anyone, anyone, is naive regarding the national debt. Please forgive my rant and PLEASE educate yourself. There may not be as many things "too far out" of your control as you think. Any thing worth having is worth working for. I think the principals on which America was founded is worth the effort. The present insanity can be turned around, but people must be engaged in the process. My friends call me Furball and I guess I had a really big one in my throat earlier. Again, I apologize.

[TheUnspoken]

What exactly do you mean by US downgrade?

Are you serious? Turn on your TV....this is not to be rude, but every American even not invested in the IQD knows about this. If you are not American my apologies.

[debunker]

Wow...this BS is so strong I can smell it from here (Micronesia). Why do people constantly bring up things like this? Who gives a crap what these losers, sitting in their mom's basement, smokin' weed and jerkin off their lil' wee wees to midget porn, think about what/when the RV will occur.

Lets pull our collective heads out of our collective A**es and get back to work. Quit whining and just do our jobs.

Best,

Debunker.

[TheUnspoken]

I don't know, I'm not Phoenix ........

Wow...you quoted the person who didn't understand downgrade.

Let me explain with what little education I have because I have taken a class on financial management but with that I at least know what the news is talking about and obviously Phoenix watches the news and understands it.

The countries all have credit ratings. They are given by Standard's and Poor's and Moody's, there is one other but not really spoken of as much. The US's credit rating believe it or not is like triple A, that is the highest a country or company can get. These two companies, and I believe S&P more than the other, have threatened highly to lower the US's credit rating. This would be bad, it would be devastating really. This is the downgrade he is talking about. Companies and Countries don't have credit scores, they have ratings. Our scores drop, their ratings get downgraded.

Make sense?

Let me just state the other half of Phoenix's post I didn't not agree with. The downgrade part I understand.

[pureau79]

Ok so got that cleared up you know oil .Great then you will also agree that the Pound has not dropped below the dollar since we became # 1

Seems like a pretty good thing don't you think having the dollar worth 2.60 against any other world currency .We are the only ones on the planet that could do it with new high-tec and not oil with the wave of the future green energy not oil .

I agree totally how much dose it take. But i think you may be surprised very soon by what the powers that be have in store for the stupid rich .

Okay... it would be a very good thing for the dollar to be strong. Unfortunately, it is not headed in that direction. The dollar is being inflated at an astounding rate. Interest rates could skyrocket in the very near future. The value of the dollar is in decline. The only plausible explaination lies in the condition of the world. The vast majority of the world cannot achieve significant prosperity in the foreseeable future. The United Nations (originally the League Of Nations) is not a neutral agency. There is an active push toward one world government and strong economies like ours (and others) are an impediment to the success of the ultimate goal. What is that ultimate goal? It is to bring the entire world under one single government. That will not succeed as long as the American people are free and independent thinkers. The fastest way to subjugate an entire nation is through the financial system. Somewhere near fourty-nine percent of America's citizens are addicted to government welfare programs. They are enslaved to that system and don't even know it. Class warfare and race-baiting are everyday occurrences in government and education programs. Why? To keep us divided. There is confusion in division. The Christian bible teaches that a house divided cannot stand. When the federal government offers something in their right hand, you had better be looking at the left hand.

Stupid rich? I assume you would like to make some money from your Dinar purchase. Those rich people that you refer to are not stupid. They are the ones who drive the economy and job market. Their willingness to invest their wealth to develop companies creates jobs. We all need jobs unless we are independently wealthy. Politicians demonize the rich for political gain. Don't fall into that trap.

[pureau79]

...Just a thought here. Our politicians are so actively trying to wind us up and there's all this BS about stimulus and quantitative easing, what would it have done for the economy if GW and O just gave every man woman and child in America one million dollars instead of spending trillions? Think about it. Let's speak in round numbers for sake of argument. Say there are three hundred fifty million American citizens and another fifty million illegal aliens in this country. Four hundred million people with one million dollars each, that is four hundred million dollars. Don't you think we could have paid off all the consumer debt in America? Wouldn't that immediately strengthen America? Why do you suppose they would never do that? Because they want to keep up enslave to the lender. The borrower is slave to the lender. Plain and simple. If we paid off all consumer debt in this country we wouldn't be easily subjugated.

[umbertino]

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Im no billionaire an nor would I ever want to become one,I have too much of a conscience and love my fellow man to ever stash that amount of money.

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Well then. So if you were a Billionaire or even a Millionaire and being the kind of Person you are ( with a conscience and a lot of heart for your fellow man) you'd certainly know how to use the money in your possession and do a lot of good....Money can do wonders if wisely and heartly spent.....

I know I could do wonders myself if I could have a very very very very very very very very tiny fraction of the Rothschilds' total assets ( 500 Trillion Dollars)

Edited July 27, 2011 by umbertino

[dtard]

Thanks for the mind OPENING post! cept for your 6 word comment that is

[Carrello]

yep i can tell you get lead around by the nose a lot

the link is there but just in case you dont see it past you nose coobeans started a new thread with the whole post

You are such a punk!

[umbertino]

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I raised my children (seven of them),

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Wow, Man..........Impressive.

[wishwell11]

...Just a thought here. Our politicians are so actively trying to wind us up and there's all this BS about stimulus and quantitative easing, what would it have done for the economy if GW and O just gave every man woman and child in America one million dollars instead of spending trillions? Think about it. Let's speak in round numbers for sake of argument. Say there are three hundred fifty million American citizens and another fifty million illegal aliens in this country. Four hundred million people with one million dollars each, that is four hundred million dollars. Don't you think we could have paid off all the consumer debt in America? Wouldn't that immediately strengthen America? Why do you suppose they would never do that? Because they want to keep up enslave to the lender. The borrower is slave to the lender. Plain and simple. If we paid off all consumer debt in this country we wouldn't be easily subjugated.

Excellent!

Wishwell11

[littlefeet]

sitting in their mom's basement, smokin' weed and jerkin off their lil' wee wees to midget porn

Best,

Debunker.

I Know Ya'll laughed too when reading this.............

Just RV already !!!!

...Just a thought here. Our politicians are so actively trying to wind us up and there's all this BS about stimulus and quantitative easing, what would it have done for the economy if GW and O just gave every man woman and child in America one million dollars instead of spending trillions? Think about it. Let's speak in round numbers for sake of argument. Say there are three hundred fifty million American citizens and another fifty million illegal aliens in this country. Four hundred million people with one million dollars each, that is four hundred million dollars. Don't you think we could have paid off all the consumer debt in America? Wouldn't that immediately strengthen America? Why do you suppose they would never do that? Because they want to keep up enslave to the lender. The borrower is slave to the lender. Plain and simple. If we paid off all consumer debt in this country we wouldn't be easily subjugated.

TRUE !! THX

[Serenity]

http://moneymorning.com/2011/07/25/the-1-billion-armageddon-trade-placed-against-the-united-states/

Thanks, Lonestar.................

[The RockStar]

Stupid rich? I assume you would like to make some money from your Dinar purchase. Those rich people that you refer to are not stupid. They are the ones who drive the economy and job market. Their willingness to invest their wealth to develop companies creates jobs. We all need jobs unless we are independently wealthy. Politicians demonize the rich for political gain. Don't fall into that trap.

when i say stupid rich im talking people with billions of dollars who's only purpose is to use it to make more .

I make a good days pay far a hard days work im not rich by no means but with my money not hand outs my own money I went to the Philippines got married and built a school for gramer-school kids in my town put water wells at no-less 100 peoples houses with my hands and my money and still managed to close a prostitution ring put the girls in school on scholarships at a local collage that I funded.

that was only a little over 170,000 dollars and 5 years on 21 day vacations every three months

Just think what a man with a mind to do it, Could do with 1 billion dollars ..........................

[wishwell11]

...Just a thought here. Our politicians are so actively trying to wind us up and there's all this BS about stimulus and quantitative easing, what would it have done for the economy if GW and O just gave every man woman and child in America one million dollars instead of spending trillions? Think about it. Let's speak in round numbers for sake of argument. Say there are three hundred fifty million American citizens and another fifty million illegal aliens in this country. Four hundred million people with one million dollars each, that is four hundred million dollars. Don't you think we could have paid off all the consumer debt in America? Wouldn't that immediately strengthen America? Why do you suppose they would never do that? Because they want to keep up enslave to the lender. The borrower is slave to the lender. Plain and simple. If we paid off all consumer debt in this country we wouldn't be easily subjugated.

Again..Excellent

Wishwell11

[sheik]

Should we all start to learn to speak Chinese.? Maybe?

[gr8cooker142]

Note from Phoenix: Heads up! IF we were to see the revaluation of the Iraqi Dinar BEFORE the United States is downgraded someone stands to lose billions and billions of dollars! So "someone" is poised to make billions and billions of dollars when the US is downgraded! Now it is starting to become clear just why we are seeing this delayed! Whoever is behind this and whoever is in control of Obama is doing all they can to stop the pending revaluation of the Iraqi dinar to assure that they make a massive profit from the failure and downgrade of the United States. Just know and take comfort in the fact that they cannot stop the revaluation from happening but that they can cause the delays as we are seeing now and it is now all too clear as to why they have caused this delay. Now as SOON as the US is downgraded and whoever this person is makes their massive profit we can expect to see the revaluations take place and whoever this is causing this delay is sure to make a massive profit from the pending revalue also.

Who actually believes this stuff anyway?????

If it RV's right now that "person" still stands to make a massive profit. Another great post!!!