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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - US President Donald Trump has said he plans to stop giving US citizenship to children born in the United States from a father and mother who are not US citizens.

According to USA Today, Trump said giving citizenship to non-American babies is "folly" should stop immediately, and that the United States is the only country that gives birth to foreign origins the right to US citizenship simply because of birth on its territory. 

 

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I wouldn't know about any 'alt-right'. don't believe they exist. now the left with it's antifa, kkk, black lives matter etc...yeah, they're loud and clear.

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The fourteenth admendment states: The consternation in the fourteenth amendment is the clause " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in paragraph 1 section 1 to which the SCOTUS has never a

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Or as Moses said (paraphrasing).....keep walkin, we're almost there.      GO RV, then BV

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All joking aside.  Think about this.  If Trump is allowed to change the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution by Executive Order....how long will it be before a U.S. President comes along and changes the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution by Executive Order?....careful what you wish for people.  As always, just my opinion.

 

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The fourteenth admendment states:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]

The consternation in the fourteenth amendment is the clause " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in paragraph 1 section 1 to which the SCOTUS has never adjudicated. Whether a legal or illegal immigrant gives birth in the country it has been assumed, since ratification,  that this means anyone who is born in this country is automatically a citizen o the USA. However, the consternation rises in the form of whether the heavily debated clause in section 1 paragraph 1 refers only to those permanent residents who are subject to the US Code of Conduct before giving birth. This can be one of the foundations as to the left's wanting to give everyone who places a foot on US  soil to be given unabated Constitutional rights, even if they are a citizen of another country and have no intention of becoming a citizen in this country. Whether you are for or against, Trump by espousing he can prevent anchor babies from happening by EO will force the SCOTUS to rule on this clause as the trap for adjudication has been set. Once again the nevertrumpers and left have walked lockstep into the trap and are about to spring something they do not want to do which is to force a ruling by SCOTUS on this very hotly debated clause by Constitutionalists. 

 

If the left had any logic instead of going the route of the activist judges and because the POTUS created an EO, the next president on the left should just rescind the EO as has been shown by Trump. However, expect there to be judicial challenges when this is done. And again, it will end up in the hands of SCOTUS.

 

The left has no choice but to take this to SCOTUS to get a judicial opinion. Of course, there is a legislative outcome but Congress critters are too cowardly to pen their names to any type of immigration policy.

 

Well played Trump. WIn. 

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The fourteenth admendment states:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support system" rel="">support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]

The consternation in the fourteenth amendment is the clause " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in paragraph 1 section 1 to which the SCOTUS has never adjudicated. Whether a legal or illegal immigrant gives birth in the country it has been assumed, since ratification,  that this means anyone who is born in this country is automatically a citizen o the USA. However, the consternation rises in the form of whether the heavily debated clause in section 1 paragraph 1 refers only to those permanent residents who are subject to the US Code of Conduct before giving birth. This can be one of the foundations as to the left's wanting to give everyone who places a foot on US  soil to be given unabated Constitutional rights, even if they are a citizen of another country and have no intention of becoming a citizen in this country. Whether you are for or against, Trump by espousing he can prevent anchor babies from happening by EO will force the SCOTUS to rule on this clause as the trap for adjudication has been set. Once again the nevertrumpers and left have walked lockstep into the trap and are about to spring something they do not want to do which is to force a ruling by SCOTUS on this very hotly debated clause by Constitutionalists. 

 

If the left had any logic instead of going the route of the activist judges and because the POTUS created an EO, the next president on the left should just rescind the EO as has been shown by Trump. However, expect there to be judicial challenges when this is done. And again, it will end up in the hands of SCOTUS.

 

The left has no choice but to take this to SCOTUS to get a judicial opinion. Of course, there is a legislative outcome but Congress critters are too cowardly to pen their names to any type of immigration policy.

 

Well played Trump. WIn. 

I agree. I heard a lot of talk on this and one individual on one of the talk shows had a lot of interesting info. Supposedly some of this was talked about in papers and decided in the 1870's. The 14th Amendment was done because the South was still playing games after the civil war. It would allow all former slaves to become citizens out right. Now, what was said yesterday and that I heard and will have to do my research on, in the Federalist papers or something like that it was discussed by the courts to mean only those that were citizens and had children, then their children would be citizens too and only if they were here legally. The way this guy talked, the courts ruled on this back then. I will look into this. It was very interesting listening to the argument about it. If nothing else, Trump did get people talking about it.

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Trump: Granting citizenship to non-Americans cost us billions of dollars

Trump: Granting citizenship to non-Americans cost us billions of dollars

 31 October 2018 06:09 PM
Direct: President Donald Trump continued to criticize the granting of citizenship to non-Americans, pointing out that this will be canceled, which cost the United States money.

The so-called citizenship of non-Americans, which costs the United States billions of dollars and is unfair to American citizens, will end in one way or another, Trump said in a tweet on Twitter.

 

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The right to citizenship was not covered by the Fourteenth Amendment because of the words "subject to its jurisdiction".

He continued: Many law scholars agree that "Harry Reid" was right in 1993 before he and the Democrats began to open the border and bring huge crimes.

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"Do not forget the term" Anchor Babies , "a term he uses to describe the children of illegal immigrants who acquire US citizenship after they are born on US territory.

Trump pledged to keep the United States a safe nation, saying the case would be settled by the US Supreme Court.

In another tweet, Trump wrote: "The world uses our laws at our expense, they laugh at the stupidity they see!"  

 

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Trump's comments come after he said yesterday he intended to issue an executive order that would revoke citizenship for anyone born in the United States from non-American parents or illegal immigrants.

 

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