rockfl9 Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 never could figure out how 3 VPs was going to work?? if the pres died were they going to flip a coin?? A PM, Cabinet type of government doesn't usually have them. I suppose that since Maliki was fired he looses his immunity from prosecution altogether. Getting support from Al-Sistani and Al Sadr really seals the deal' The "Where did you get this:" rule, is meant to uncover corruption and theft. Unfortunately they can't recover the majority of the money that left the country or simple squandered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davis411 Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 hmmmmm maybe you have the money and are holding it for them come on talk tell me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texstorm Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Rock you are right about the rule of power and it is evident with our own GOD ! There can only be one ! For the country's sake of the people lets hope that they can recover some of these loses. Thanks for bringing this post to light ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVPleaseToday Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 I'm guessing there will be a whole lot of talk, a lot of backslapping, celebrations...and then parliament will fight over this for months, and the GOI will ultimately maintain the status quo. I've seen all of this sound and fury in Iraq too many times, only to see nothing come of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Talk is cheap..............but its part of politics 101, not just central to Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfl9 Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 The problem with completing "projects" is that few if any Iraqi's are trained and experienced for that kind of work. The Islamic life style doesn't match up with the 24/7 management that is required. The Saudis, Kuwaiti and Qutari have solved the problem by hiring non-muslim managers to do that kind of work. The Iraqi tried to keep the work in country ( everywhere except oil) and as we see now a lot of time and money was wasted. Maybe the "iron fist" directive will allow Abadi to change that. Certainly there can be little progress toward attracting private industry without reliable electric power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) They will do what has been successful throughout the region, outsource....................nothing new. The masses in general are illiterate, with no trained skills..................again nothing new. Edited August 10, 2015 by caz1104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfl9 Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 The way this came down I think Abadi and his inner circle had this planned for some time.. The demonstrations just provided the trigger. It WILL BE an interesting month. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texstorm Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Plus one Rock ! If we have any movement in any direction I'll be happy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalDinar Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Never let a crisis go to waste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarThug Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Never let a crisis go to waste OMG - I Just Found Some Lint In My Belly Button ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalDinar Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 OMG - I Just Found Some Lint In My Belly Button ! . LOL Commonly known as belly button fluff Try googling that for images 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RVPleaseToday Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Abadi is positioning himself to become dictator of Iraq by consolidating his position and concentrating power. Welcome to Saddam v. 2.0. "Just give me the power and I can fix this mess." Uh, huh. Edited August 16, 2015 by RVPleaseToday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texstorm Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 I guess that it's possible, like I've said and many others have said, absolute power absolutely corrupts. But that being said for the time being he is the lesser of evil. That's why we put Malaki in power because of Saddam. Every change that has been made brings more hope for the Iraqi people. Abadi will prevail and as long as he doesn't succumb to foolishness, he should be able to lead Iraq to greener pastures. This has been the way since the beginning of time and because they have a global commodity and reportedly more, Iraq will be scrutinized by the world. That may be enough to keep them in line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Abadi is positioning himself to become dictator of Iraq by consolidating his position and concentrating power. Welcome to Saddam v. 2.0. "Just give me the power and I can fix this mess." Uh, huh. It if it moves this investment/speculation closer to a resolution............i'm good. And who's to say he wouldn't be a better alternative to Maliki? Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfl9 Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I guess that it's possible, like I've said and many others have said, absolute power absolutely corrupts. But that being said for the time being he is the lesser of evil. That's why we put Malaki in power because of Saddam. Every change that has been made brings more hope for the Iraqi people. Abadi will prevail and as long as he doesn't succumb to foolishness, he should be able to lead Iraq to greener pastures. This has been the way since the beginning of time and because they have a global commodity and reportedly more, Iraq will be scrutinized by the world. That may be enough to keep them in line. Abadi may turn out to be the "benevolent dictator " that Iraq needs . 4.5 million on the government payroll is too many for a country of that size. The WB and UN advisors told them that but as long as the money was flowing they ignored the advice and created more government positions. The result was why work when the government will give you a paycheck. That prevented the development of a private sector economy. Nepotism and corrupt mangers filled the ranks. It took a while for Abadi to get support for reform. Now he will have to find solutions. To get capable people he may need to replace Iraqi's with non-iraqis. That could get sticky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texstorm Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Rock I had no ideal that they had that many government employed people, that is roughly 1 in 7 people working for the government if my math is correct which most of the time it's not. LOL Anyways sounds like your right about Abadi trying to find capable and competent people. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfl9 Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Rock I had no ideal that they had that many government employed people, that is roughly 1 in 7 people working for the government if my math is correct which most of the time it's not. LOL Anyways sounds like your right about Abadi trying to find capable and competent people. Thanks It is really more like 1 in 4 . Half the population is too old , too young or physically unable to work. 500,000 are employed in state owned industries like electric , water and sewer, refining and shipping that normally would be private BUT the GOI is the only really paying customer. There are also holdover producers of military goods (uniforms , boots , etc) that really arent used anymore , but the plants and workers are still there. So while the money was coming they perpetuated a bloated welfare system. Abadi now has the job of converting these to real private institutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityeXchange Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 It is really more like 1 in 4 . Half the population is too old , too young or physically unable to work. 500,000 are employed in state owned industries like electric , water and sewer, refining and shipping that normally would be private BUT the GOI is the only really paying customer. There are also holdover producers of military goods (uniforms , boots , etc) that really arent used anymore , but the plants and workers are still there. So while the money was coming they perpetuated a bloated welfare system. Abadi now has the job of converting these to real private institutions. this is exactly right. this is why there were articles posted months back to console the people. the gist of the articles was that as iraq privatized and moved to a market economy, people had no fear of losing their jobs. this unfortunately is a lie. with privatization comes efficiency and competition. job loss is inevitable. i talk often with a friend who is egyptian and he has educated me a lot about the region and the transition egypt made toward a market economy. he says that iraq is following exactly in line with what egypt did. that privatization was really good for the country however there were jobs that were lost as the market shifted from state control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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