The Movement To Torch the United States Constitution

[pattyangel]

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

The Movement To Torch The United States Constitution

The New American ^ | May 2012 Issue | James O. E. Norell

Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:10:01 AM by IbJensen

DID YOU KNOW SOUTH AFRICA HAS A CONSTITUTION THAT'S FAR SUPERIOR TO OUR OWN? THAT'S WHAT ONE U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, AS WELL AS SHADOWY ACTIVITIST GROUPS WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO EFFECT CHANGE, BELIEVE.

 

 

“I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012. I might look at the Constitution of South Africa … a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights …” -Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Jan. 30, 2012.

That stunning disavowal—by an associate justice of the United States Supreme Court—of the Constitution she has sworn to uphold, drew widespread and instant condemnation from conservative pundits and legal scholars.

 

NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox warned that Justice Ginsburg’s statements go to the core of why the coming presidential elections are important, and why they are “about the very survival of our Constitution.” He’s right on the money.

Especially in the mainstream media, Justice Ginsburg’s comments—made during an Egyptian television interview on Jan. 30, 2012—were generally treated in isolation or ignored. For most Americans it was just a sound bite. A fleeting controversy. A mere blip.

Given her animosity toward the Second Amendment, however, Justice Ginsburg’s words must be seen as a special warning of things to come.

Her comments may have seemed off-the-wall, but they reflect an ongoing movement among “progressive” legal activists to render the Constitution as we know it unrecognizable. Perhaps the best definition of this radical movement has been expressed by Harvard law professor Mark Tushnet:

“For 30 years, conservatives have hijacked the Constitution, and we’re taking it back.”

 

For the Second Amendment, understand that “taking back” the Constitution will certainly mean the end of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as expressed in the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court decisions.

So the big story—intentionally ignored by the big media—is that Justice Ginsburg’s enthusiastic embrace of the South African Constitution is a long-range political movement to create a “progressive” constitution to ultimately supplant our founding documents.

The movement has a generic name—“democratic constitutionalism.” It came into serious focus with a 2005 American Constitution Society conference at Yale University Law School called “The Constitution in 2020.” That conference was then followed by a book of the same name, and yet another Yale conference in 2009.

Its purpose was described in a May 26, 2009, New York Times Magazine article: “… the organizers set out to gather together a group of scholars to define a progressive constitutional agenda for the coming century. … the democratic constitutionalists see courts and political movements as partners, influencing each other and society as a whole.”

Oh yes, and this will likely come as little surprise to you. This activist partnership to meld leftist political activism and the courts to dump or modify our founding documents in favor of a radical-left constitution is bankrolled by George Soros, the billionaire globalist gun-banner.

Among the initial participants of the 2005 gathering of progressive legal stars were two Soros operatives destined to be key Obama handlers in his presidential campaign, the transition and in the White House: John Podesta and Cass Sunstein. Podesta ran Obama’s transition team. An outsider/insider with unique access to the president, Podesta oversees perhaps the most successful of the organs of the multi-gazillion dollar Soros policy/influence machine—the Center for American Progress. It has been a font of left-wing ideas that the Obama White House has turned into policy.

And that brings us to Sunstein, who, predating Ginsburg’s comments, expressed an even giddier endorsement, calling the South African Constitution “the most admirable constitution in the history of the world.”

Sunstein, who was tagged as an “informal” Obama campaign advisor, is the White House regulation czar, director of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs—a powerful position in which he serves as a gatekeeper for all new federal regulatory changes. Sunstein, on leave as a Harvard law professor, is an incredibly prolific “progressive” far-left legal scholar espousing a host of ideas any reasonable person would just call “weird.”

He would ban all hunting. Sunstein has proposed giving animals—yes, cows, dogs, rats—standing to sue in court. He would afford them a quasi-constitutional personhood.

And he has proposed a kind of rationing of the Internet. He has demanded that websites be forced to include opposing views, because of “the growing power of consumers to ‘filter’ what it is that they see.”

He fears that Americans are too stupid to create the kind of “diversity” provided by the former gatekeepers of network TV. To Sunstein, individual citizens are incapable of being on their own in a sea of digital information. He fears that, “In the extreme case, people will be fully able to design their own communications universe. They will find it easy to exclude, in advance, topics and points of view that they wish to avoid.”

Sunstein is calling for government censorship to create diversity of thought. Imagine this man writing a new First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution; and it could happen.

 

Does the term oxymoron come to mind? But then, everything in the world these people inhabit is Alice-in-Wonderland—down the rabbit hole. Progressive operators like Sunstein, even with his seemingly wacky views, must never be underestimated.

Although there is no secret about the existence of the “Constitution in 2020” movement (anybody can find it on the Internet), the radicals who would deface the current Constitution plan to do so by stealth. Stealth will be in the details written way below the surface or created by alternative means such as administrative law or international treaties and agreements. The real threat will come “under the radar,” as President Barack Obama is wont to say.

A lead-off speaker during the follow-up 2009 Soros-funded “Constitution in 2020” conference reconvened at Yale University Law School, professor Aziz Huq of the University of Chicago Law School laid out the need for a deep political masquerade to accomplish real change.

“We’ll start with the problem of candor,” Huq said. “No constitutional movement ever got very far by admitting that it sought innovation in the founding document. Or by admitting that it was enabled by the particular social/historical or doctrinal circumstances of the change that it urged.

“Yet to be a credible movement for constitutional change—a credible social movement—that movement has to deny, in a sense, its ultimate goal.” (Emphasis added.)

And the deniable goal clearly is to supplant our rights, memorialized for Americans with our unique position as the freest people in the world, with a bizarre set of government-granted privileges masked as “rights”—a kind of leftist cultural affirmative action creating unprecedented social division: a constitutional caste system between the American people. It will be a reflection of President Obama’s now ubiquitous cultural war.

To use the progressive definition of the Constitution as a “living organism,” understand that these people see themselves in the same light as genetic engineers who are altering the DNA of our freedom into something entirely unrecognizable—something most Americans today would consider malignant.

If you were to suspect this is a key part of President Obama’s agenda for “fundamentally changing America,” you would likely be right. In fact, their “change” is a growth antithetical to the individual liberty protected and guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution as we know it.

 

In the lexicon of the “progressive” movement to rewrite America’s founding document on a global model, the guarantees of what the founders recognized as pre-existing God-given rights—among them, free speech, freedom to assemble, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, the right against self-incrimination, the right to be protected against undue search and seizure—all of those most basic protections are considered “negative rights.”

These people are not talking about replacing the U.S. Constitution with the South African Constitution out of hand. What they seek is to include key viral elements of that document, in a bit-by-bit infection that will ultimately transform the whole nature of our country.

So what is it that these people find so attractive in the South African Constitution? In a phrase, the answer is something they call “positive” rights.

Perhaps the most direct explanation of what they are going for was penned on the “Constitution in 2020” blog by Emily Zackin, now an assistant professor at Hunter College:

“These rights (sometimes called positive rights) obligate government to intervene in social and economic life, promoting equality rather than simply procedural fairness.”

So, fairness—the very basis of real blind justice in America—is to be replaced with social/cultural favoritism decided by a cadre of law school radicals.

 

Dr. Zackin—who won top honors from Princeton for her Ph.D. dissertation, “Positive Constitutional Rights in the United States,” cited as an example: “… the South African Constitution includes the right to medical care. The text of the U.S. Constitution contains no such explicit guarantees, and the Supreme Court has consistently declined to interpret the Constitution to include them.” She further defined the notion of “positive rights” as “welfarist policies.”

These “positive rights,” like the “right to health care” and the “right to housing,” are the key elements that make the South African constitution so attractive to welfare statists who would control every element of American life. These “positive rights” dump fairness in favor of drastically skewing the playing field to the advantage of select groups of citizens.

With this stealthy Soros-backed effort, the new, radical Constitution that would emerge in the future will likely include as “positive rights” many government-granted privileges and collective rewards centered around endless memes of “justice”—“social justice,” or “economic justice,” or “green justice.” The list could be endless.

One thing is certain—there will be “freedom from gun violence” added to the list of “positive rights.” With that, the Second Amendment will be headed to the dumpster of history.

In a spot-on Canada Free Press analysis of the effect of “positive rights” versus “negative rights,” Daniel Greenfield characterized the combined “positive rights” pressed by the so-called progressive establishment as “the right to be taken care of in every way possible.” These “rights”—touted as the be all, end all in the South African constitution—“serve to eliminate most of what Americans have traditionally considered freedom. … Positive rights offer a privilege that is overseen by the government … universal benefits at the cost of individual liberties.”

 

Yet privileges—unlike rights—can be withheld at the whim of those who hold the power of government.

 

As for the 61,000-word South African Constitution, perhaps the best view of what U.S. proponents are really striving for was spelled out in a 2003 law review article by Mark S. Kende, now head of the Constitutional Law Center at Drake University Law School. The title of the article is unambiguous: “Why the South African Constitution is better than the United States’. ”

Giving meaning to Sunstein’s delirious “most admirable constitution in the history of the world” tag, Kende says the description fits because, “It contains a lengthy list of socio-economic rights, which the drafters hoped would protect and assist those … who are poor and vulnerable.”

“Conversely,” he says, “the United States Supreme Court has been unwilling to find socio-economic rights in the United States Constitution.”

Among those “positive rights” he lauds, “Everyone has a right to have access to adequate housing,” and “the right to have access to health care services … sufficient food … appropriate social assistance.”

“Moreover, courts must consider international law in rendering decisions, and may also consider foreign law.”

What is so bizarre about this article—and what is so strange about all of the radical proponents of the document—is that none of these “positive rights” are even marginally attainable by the tens of millions of South Africans who live in indescribable poverty and suffer from a homicide rate nearly seven times higher than ours in the U.S.

So what good is it?

Kende puts it this way: “Placing socio-economic rights in a constitution does not mean that every individual is entitled to assistance on demand. … The state must take reasonable legislative and other measures, within its available resources, to achieve the progressive realization of each of these rights.”

Further, he writes that under a “limitations clause” on the “socio-economic rights,” “The court’s overall responsibility is to determine whether the infringement on the right is proportional to the resulting societal benefit.”

So in reality, these so-called “positive” rights are not rights at all. They are privileges doled out under a deeply corrupt system of state rationing.

With perhaps as many as 7 million South African citizens dying of HIV and AIDS, the constitution’s guarantee of the right to “have access to health care services” was pointless under the regime of President Thabo Mbeki, a virus denier who kept Western life-saving medicine at bay while his people died.

How would this cadre of activists and professors alter the U.S. Constitution to take on elements of the South African model? Obviously not by any means provided in Article V of the Constitution, which the Founders intentionally made extraordinarily difficult to accomplish.

So what are they proposing? By what means do they alter the foundation of the nation? By what means do positive rights creep into constitutional law?

Those questions were actually at the very core of the second Yale conference. Among the back-door approaches discussed:

• Enacting “landmark” laws that are too big, too complicated and bring dramatic fundamental change. These laws take on the force of the Constitution.

• Enacting international treaties that have the force of law. As one speaker put it, “Once you have an Article II [ratified by the U.S. Senate] treaty in place, it can undo state law that’s contrary, and undo federal law that’s contrary.”

• Creating administrative law that the speaker claimed would be beyond the normal scope of judicial review.

Attendees also discussed a grassroots political effort to force the U.S. Senate to get rid of the filibuster with its 60-vote requirement to close down debate, making all sorts of simple majority legislative mischief possible.

What the Soros gang proposes is a melding of their notion to replace the Constitution with administrative orders, landmark laws, treaties and the like with raw propaganda and a long-term, grassroots activist agenda. Mobilizing for change on the streets, if you will.

Yale law professor Jack Balkin, among the leaders of the “Constitution in 2020” movement, says under “democratic constitutionalism” grassroots politics is the key: “The basic way that the Constitution changes over time is that people persuade each other that the way they thought about the Constitution and what it means isn’t the right way of thinking about it. …

That’s why you just can’t focus on elections, judicial appointments … constitutional culture. That’s why you have to focus on the people’s arguments about norms.”

Keep in mind that “norms”—international norms—are at the heart of the gun-ban movement worldwide. It is a well-recognized “norm” that the United Nations pointedly refuses to recognize armed self-defense as a human right.

It is certain that for many in the “democratic constitutionalism” movement, the kind of draconian laws that have left South African citizens at the mercy of brutal, murderous criminal violence would represent America’s constitutional norm in the future, if they get their way.

Of course, future Supreme Court appointments will be determined by who wins the presidential election this fall. Four more years of Barack Obama would undoubtedly mean one or more new justices in the mold of Justice Ginsburg who would push to shift our freedoms further from what our Founding Fathers intended—yet more “change” that our Right to Keep and Bear Arms might not be able to survive.

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This mess that constitutes a significant bloc in the SCOTUS is so far over the top that it's time to rethink recalling members who apparently hate the U. S. Consitution by impeachment. These are not American citizens that decent Americans want sitting on a bench in the highest court of the land to decide the future of the nation.

These are traitors to their oaths to uphold the Constitution and to use the document as it was intended. It is the best Constituion in the world and those four robed clansmen that will sit on the bench for life, knows it! Their oath has apparently been to satan and the the equally evil United Nations. Americans must get them and the United Nations out of the United States or our free future will be in serious peril and Washington will become very much like Madrid in 1936, excepting our commissars have been hatched here instead of Moscow.

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2876249/posts

 

 

They call it "Constitution 2020"  for a reason.  They want it changed in 2020, if not before. 

So if evil wanted to take over, what would he do... make us defenseless. So their strategy is to re-write the Constitution along with foreign law/treaties, and foreign involvement (United Nations)

[pattyangel]

Any thoughts on this, anyone, anyone.  Curious as to what others might think.    Am I a loner on this. 

[gymrat76541]

B S that's my call................................................where do they dig this stuff up?

[pattyangel]

Okay gymrat76541, I can understand why you think its BS, but can you bring something over that says otherwise.  I'm open to anyone that can bring proof  this information is BS.  But to come on and just call it BS, is a little bit shallow.  I just want to hear the other side. 

 

Thanks for your response anyway. 

[DinarMillionaire]

I believe these nutty idiots want to change our Constitution. They should just move to South Africa...it would be safer for them. George Soros needs to be escorted out of the country and barred from ever coming back.

[Tripphood]

If they want a constitution like South Africa's then they should ALL MOVE THERE!!!!!

[bigwave]

Pattyangle you are not the only one

 

I am sure there are some powers that want to bring America to her knees.

 

Obama in my opinion would like to ban guns and give amnesty to all here which would include him. And then print so much money that we need to borrow money from you guessed it Iraq after they RV.

 

Obama does say that our Constitution is just an out dated piece of paper that is too old to work in today’s modern society and that is why we need the UN to protect the people from hurting themselves. After all the Government built everything so it is their job to tell people what to do and when to do it and how much taxes are needed for him to play more golf.

[Kaduku]

B S that's my call................................................where do they dig this stuff up?

Another DENIER of the truth...YOU must be a braindead Demoncrat or zombie Liberal.

I believe these nutty idiots want to change our Constitution. They should just move to South Africa...it would be safer for them. George Soros needs to be escorted out of the country and barred from ever coming back.

Charge with Sedition/Treason and send him before a Military firing squad like Odumdumb and all his Communist Demoncrats/Liberals!!!

[Nelg]

Those who abuse the Constitution only have the right to do so by Constitutional law!  To take away their right of free speech is to fall into the trap of applying the Constitution to only those who agree with our opinions. Her "right" to challenge the Constitutional validity, to express her view however jaundice, IS a validation of the Constitution.  

 

Don't get me wrong.  I think what she said is disgusting and I totally disagree with her assessment. 

[pattyangel]

Pattyangle you are not the only one

 

I am sure there are some powers that want to bring America to her knees.

 

Obama in my opinion would like to ban guns and give amnesty to all here which would include him. And then print so much money that we need to borrow money from you guessed it Iraq after they RV.

 

Obama does say that our Constitution is just an out dated piece of paper that is too old to work in today’s modern society and that is why we need the UN to protect the people from hurting themselves. After all the Government built everything so it is their job to tell people what to do and when to do it and how much taxes are needed for him to play more golf.

 

Bigwave with respect, I believe you hit it on the nail. 

 

James Madison, Father of the Constitution as well as others, understood that the law must remain simple and uncomplicated if men were to place their confidence in it. 

 

James Madison wrote:  "It will be little avail to the people the the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminious that they cannot read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow.  Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known and less fixed?"

 

So does this sound like our administration and President is over doing it and trying to revise our laws, to where not even Congress understands them. 

 

Satan words involve complexity, masterfully makes grey what should be simple.  The Ten Commandments are but a paragraph, but true law is based upon it. 

 

My take, this is a  tactic to change the nation, and that would be to draw up complicated laws.  Do we not see this here and now with this administration. 

 

The only way the Constitution can change is, quoting Jack Balkin: "Constitution over time is that people persuade each other that the way they thought about the Constitution and what it means isn't the right way of thinking about it...."

 

I hope you ponder on this article, and think of the outcome if this was to happen.  My honest opinion, its happening right before our eyes. 

 

We can't have the UN involve in our laws or we can kiss our Constitution goodby.

[Saint]

Move them all to South Africa.   Hope you can see how well that constitution is working over there.   Not. That whole country is constantly in turmoil. We don't need turmoil we need unity for our great country.   

[gymrat76541]

"Another DENIER of the truth...YOU must be a braindead Demoncrat or zombie Liberal."

Independent actually, thanks for the insults.

 

What I meant by my comment was that the America people will NEVER stand for such a fundimental change to everything that we hold dear to us. The Constitution is the backbone of America.

 

Yes, I know there are people out there who want nothing better than to change everything about America, but I also believe that there will always be good American's with enough sense to stop them. I have faith in the people, not the sytem but in the people. Rich, poor, black, white we are all Americans!

 

 

Edited May 7, 2013 by gymrat76541

[pattyangel]

"Another DENIER of the truth...YOU must be a braindead Demoncrat or zombie Liberal."

Independent actually, thanks for the insults.

 

What I meant by my comment was that the America people will NEVER stand for such a fundimental change to everything that we hold dear to us. The Constitution is the backbone of America.

 

Yes, I know there are people out there who want nothing better than to change everything about America, but I also believe that there will always be good American's with enough sense to stop them. I have faith in the people, not the sytem but in the people. Rich, poor, black, white we are all Americans!

 

 

 

Gymrat76541, please do accept my apologies in mis-interpreting your response. I sort of feel bad for being the cause of your -negs.  I took one away, hopefully someone will get the other one. 

 

We have several members who cry BS and literately mean it. At the same time do not back up their reponse.    I guess I got caught up in the moment.  My bad. 

[sxsess]

Our liberties and freedom will only be lost when the US looks like Germany right after they surrendered and their country was in ashes. Everyone will lose....even the evil spineless so-called elites that think they are insulated from the carnage that would take place. These people live in a delusional bubble.

[gymrat76541]

Gymrat76541, please do accept my apologies in mis-interpreting your response. I sort of feel bad for being the cause of your -negs.  I took one away, hopefully someone will get the other one. 

 

We have several members who cry BS and literately mean it. At the same time do not back up their reponse.    I guess I got caught up in the moment.  My bad. 

 

Takes a big man to apolize so I will accept it and say "Thanks"

[magawatt]

 The Constitution isn't the Bible, it is a legal document constantly under revision. One example is the eighteenth amendment, commonly known as Prohibition. It was added to address the specific problem of alcohol disrupting families and society. The solution didn't work and fostered the establishment of organized crime. Realizing the amendment was a failure the amendment was repealed.Perhaps examining other amendments added to the constitution, in light of their intention versus their implementation would be an enlightening exercise.

[Muleslayer]

Takes a big man to apolize so I will accept it and say "Thanks"

Takes a strong Woman to! Hint hint gymrat

[pattyangel]

Takes a strong Woman to! Hint hint gymrat

 

Thanks Muleslayer,

 

 The Constitution isn't the Bible, it is a legal document constantly under revision. One example is the eighteenth amendment, commonly known as Prohibition. It was added to address the specific problem of alcohol disrupting families and society. The solution didn't work and fostered the establishment of organized crime. Realizing the amendment was a failure the amendment was repealed.Perhaps examining other amendments added to the constitution, in light of their intention versus their implementation would be an enlightening exercise.

 

Just to add to your response Magawatt.  If we allow the UN (United Nations) to interfer with our laws, our Constitutional rights, then through the United Nations plans will be to make an international treaty to ban guns.  If this comes about, then their plan to rule over United States, taking our sovereignty away,  will be our demise of our freedoms/rights. 

 

You see, we have been taught that international governments treaties have authority that supersedes our Constitutional rights.  This is false. No treaties can overrule our nation's laws. Even if it is ratified by the Senate. They must comform to the Constitution, but not change the Constitution.  They must be in complete harmony and comformity with the Constitution. 

 

Article VI of the United States Constitution states:   "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States wihich shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and

all treaties made, or which shall be made, 'under' the authority of the Unitied States, shall be supreme Law of the Land..."

 

Pursuance means:  A following; prosecution, process or continued exertion to reach or accomplishe something; as in pursuance of the main design.  (The main design is the Constitution)

 

All in all, treaties cannot change our laws when it is in conflict with the Constitution. 

 

Our Founding Fathers knew tyranny to well. 

[magawatt]

 "Our Founding Fathers knew tyranny to well. "

They did.

I don't think they were able to flawlessly predict how technology would impact the nation they founded.

If you could tell them that someday people could talk to people on the other side of the world, that they would have instant access to limitless information, that corporations would get tax breaks while shipping local jobs to distant countries and that an untrained moron could fire five hundred rounds a minute they might have done somethings differently.

[Shabibilicious]

 "Our Founding Fathers knew tyranny to well. "

They did.

I don't think they were able to flawlessly predict how technology would impact the nation they founded.

If you could tell them that someday people could talk to people on the other side of the world, that they would have instant access to limitless information, that corporations would get tax breaks while shipping local jobs to distant countries and that an untrained moron could fire five hundred rounds a minute they might have done somethings differently.

 

Though I fear your thoughts will not be popular......I myself, think you speak volumes.  Well said magawatt.    

 

GO RV, then BV 

[10 YEARS LATER]

The list of Treasonous Government Officials from the TOP to the Bottom grows ever deeper. There will come a day . . . oh yeah.

[pattyangel]

 "Our Founding Fathers knew tyranny to well. "

They did.

I don't think they were able to flawlessly predict how technology would impact the nation they founded.

If you could tell them that someday people could talk to people on the other side of the world, that they would have instant access to limitless information, that corporations would get tax breaks while shipping local jobs to distant countries and that an untrained moron could fire five hundred rounds a minute they might have done somethings differently.

 

Your absolutely correct.  Technology as impacted the nation. Some good and some bad.  

 

My concern and should be the American's people concern.  Anywhere liberty is under assault, you will have an enemy to those who cherish liberty.  Ginsburg's statement is a clear rejection of the United States Constitution.  This should be considered treason. 

They are not talking about replacing the United States Constitution, they want to ultimately transform the whole nature of our country. 

 

So for Soros' gang to say that the South African Constitution is:  "the most admirable constitution in the history of the world."

 

Well, you decided if this is the path for our leaders to take.  South Africa homicide rate is seven times more than the United States.  South African citizens (are left) at the mercy of brutal, murderous, criminal violence.  South African people are proof as to the horror of their constitution. These people suffer at the hands of their leaders. 

 

I wouldn't take this likely when Soros's is involved.  Follow this information and defend your Constitution.