Dem Drop Assault Weapons Ban in Bill

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Dem Drop Assault Weapons Ban in Bill

ABC OTUS News – 5 mins ago

 

An assault weapons ban won't be in the gun-control legislation that Democrats bring to the Senate floor next month, a decision that means the ban's chances of survival now are all but hopeless.

 

The ban is the most controversial firearms restriction that President Barack Obama and other Democrats have pressed for since an assault-type weapon was used in the December massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. Rejection by Congress would be a major victory for the National Rifle Association and its supporters and a setback for Obama and the provision's sponsor, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

 

In a tactical decision, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., concluded that including the prohibition in the gun bill would jeopardize the chances for passage of any firearms legislation at all, taking away votes that would be needed to overcome Republican attempts to block the Senate from even taking up the issue.

"I very much regret it," Feinstein said Tuesday of the choice that Reid told her he had made. "I tried my best. But my best, I guess, wasn't good enough."

 

Feinstein's proposal to prohibit military-style weapons will still get a vote as an amendment to the gun legislation that Democrats debate. But she is all but certain to need 60 votes from the 100-member Senate to prevail, and she faces solid Republican opposition as well as likely defections from some Democrats.

 

Reid told reporters that "using the most optimistic numbers," there were less than 40 votes for Feinstein's ban. That is far less than the 60 votes needed to move contested legislation in the chamber, which has 53 Democrats plus two independents who usually back them.

 

"I'm not going to try to put something on the floor that won't succeed. I want something that will succeed. I think the worst of all worlds would be to bring something to the floor and it dies there," Reid said.

 

Because of the opposition the ban has prompted, its exclusion from the initial package the Senate considers had been expected as a way for Democrats to amass the strongest possible vote for the overall legislation. Having a separate vote on assault weapons might free moderate Democratic senators facing re-election in Republican-leaning states next year to vote against the assault weapons measure, but then support the remaining overall package of gun curbs.

 

Gun-control supporters also consider a strong Senate vote on an overall bill important because it could put pressure on the Republican-run House, whose leaders have shown little enthusiasm for most of Obama's proposals.

 

Foes of Feinstein's proposal call it a gun grab to take firearms from law-abiding citizens with minimal impact on gun violence. Feinstein and other supporters say limits are needed on the firepower available to people who might make attacks such as the Newtown shootings, which police say involved an assault-type weapon.

Mark Barden, whose 7-year-old son Daniel was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School, said he hoped an assault weapons ban would pass eventually.

 

"We're still very happy with the progress that's been made," he said. "Hopefully what is stripped away will return as an amendment."

 

Two new state laws to limit ammunition magazines and expand required background checks are to be signed Wednesday by Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper in Colorado, site of another mass shooting last year at a movie theater in Aurora.

 

Gun-control advocates expressed little surprise over the decision to keep assault weapons out of the initial federal bill.

 

"If their view is that the assault weapons ban is tougher sledding, we respect that," said Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which represents hundreds of U.S. mayors seeking gun curbs. He said his group wants Reid's bill to be focused on expanding required background checks for gun buyers, a provision that he called "the biggest policy fix" that could be made.

 

The NRA's chief lobbyist, Chris W. Cox, said in a written statement, "History has proven that a senseless ban of firearms based on cosmetic features will not make our communities safer. Congress should reject this so-called 'assault weapons ban' whether it is offered as a stand-alone bill or as an amendment."

 

Cox reiterated his organization's preference to focus on school safety, mental health and better enforcement of existing laws.

 

Said Feinstein: "That's the problem with this place. The gun lobby is inordinately powerful." She was an author of the 1994 assault weapons ban that Congress failed to renew after a decade.

 

Her provision would ban semi-automatic weapons — guns that fire one round and automatically reload — that can take a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature such as a pistol grip. It would specifically prohibit 157 weapons.

 

It also would ban ammunition magazines carrying more than 10 rounds — another factor in some of the nation's recent mass killings.

 

It would exempt any weapons that were legally owned whenever the bill was enacted. Also exempted would be 2,258 rifles and shotguns that are frequently used by hunters.

 

The Senate Judiciary Committee approved four gun-control measures this month, including Feinstein's. The others would expand required federal background checks for firearms buyers, increase federal penalties for illegal gun trafficking and boost school safety money.

 

Reid said he has not decided which measures would be included in the base bill he brings to the Senate floor. Democratic aides and lobbyists say the trafficking and school safety measures are likely candidates because each passed the Judiciary panel with some bipartisan support.

 

It is unclear how Reid will handle the background check measure.

 

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., chief author of that provision, is trying to find a Republican willing to reach compromise on his plan. The version that passed the Judiciary Committee had no GOP support and would allow almost no exceptions to gun sales for which background checks would be needed. They are currently required only for sales by federally licensed gun dealers.

 

Feinstein said Reid told her there would be separate votes on two measures. One would be on her bill, including the bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, the second just on prohibiting the magazines. Many Democrats think the ban on large-capacity magazines has a better chance of getting 60 votes than the assault weapons ban.

 

White House chief of staff Denis McDonough said Obama is not giving up on the assault weapons ban being added as an amendment.

 

"We're going to work on this," McDonough said in an appearance on CNN. "We're going to find the votes. It deserves a vote."

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Associated Press writers Richard Lardner and Nedra Pickler in Washington and Mike Melia in Hartford, Conn., contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/assault-weapons-ban-wont-dems-gun-bill-175804697.html

 

[gymrat76541]

Go NRA!

[dog53]

hahahahahahahahah   I love it.   Thanks Carla for posting it.

I was just listening to the good news on the tube.

Now if we dont cave on the magazine ban .

We will be good to go.  

[Jrose]

To no one’s surprise, at least no one following politics closely, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) effectively dumped the assault weapons ban in the gun bill that will go to the floor.

 

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)

What is more, it is not certain even a robust background check bill will make it to the Senate floor:

Senior Senate Democratic aides called talk of the ban’s demise “premature,” but admitted that it is unlikely to be included as part of the broader package, which could be introduced by Reid as early as this week.

Still unresolved is what Reid’s final bill might say about expanding the gun background check program. Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) is working with other Democrats to find potential Republican co-sponsors for a revised bill that would permit exceptions for firearm exchanges between family members or close friends. But talks have been hampered by disagreements over whether to establish a record-keeping system for non-commercial gun transactions.

There are some takeaways here, as they apply to the media and to the president.

Virtually the entire press corps frothed at the mouth when the president, grandstanding at the State of the Union speech, thundered that a list of gun violence victims “deserve” a vote on these sorts of measures. (“Gaby Giffords deserves a vote. The families of Newtown deserve a vote. The families of Aurora deserve a vote. The families of Oak Creek, and Tucson, and Blacksburg and the countless other communities ripped open by gun violence – they deserve a simple vote.”)

Reid doesn’t think so. And in fact no one “deserves” a vote on anything; the Senate leader decided he couldn’t prevail upon his members to cast a vote. Cowardly? Maybe. Or maybe the votes aren’t there and to maximize his chances on other measures he took the assault weapons ban out. That is the nature of the legislative process. But at least we can dispense with the notion that Republicans are standing in the way of assault weapons ban legislation.

Indeed, this is further evidence that getting the Senate to actually cast votes is very helpful to the GOP. It clarifies where Dems really stand (e.g. high taxes, more spending) and alerts the Democratic base that a lot of what Reid and Schumer say is for show.

This is also a timely reminder about how lacking in influence is the president, no matter how the media slobbers over his speeches. And viewers and readers should beware of pundits imploring them to take seriously what the president says in grand addresses. This is not a president who is good at persuading the opposition, or even his own side. And this is only a few months into his second term; the problem will worsen for him over time.

If some robust form of background check does not get onto the floor, it will be particularly humiliating for the president and disappointing to his base. Perhaps the president can learn from his majority leader and engage in some good old fashioned horse trading. It will be good experience for other issues down the road.

 

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/03/19/harry-reid-kills-assault-weapons-ban/

[Fred A]

Phew, i hope to be able to buy some this year. Only if theres any ammo by then.i plan to write to the next people that run for office in the next election

[DinarMillionaire]

Said Feinstein: "That's the problem with this place. The gun lobby is inordinately powerful."

That's because an inordinate amount of awake, real Americans are behind the NRA, Diane. duh!

[LIBoy]

Now can people start to relax and take a deep breathe?  Bid brother is not coming for your guns.

[dog53]

Now can people start to relax and take a deep breathe?  Bid brother is not coming for your guns.

 

Well Its not quite over yet. There`s still the magazine ban looming.

[Biker]

It ain't over yet folks, we got more work to do against these Morons, But i am happy to say we did get the gun ban thrown out by the house in Annapolis Maryland ware Governor Om ally was trying to ban Guns in the state.But on the Federal level they will be back and they will try in two parts, one on assault rifles and one on magazines one at a time. Obama already said to day he wouldn't give up.And as Far as Feinstein she needs to take her old ugly ass back to Cali and crawl back up in her Cocoon ware she belongs.

[bgschlonka]

Harry's afraid of losing the Senate in 2014. Just another political move by a politician who needs to be on an 8 year (Two Term) limit. In my opinion they all need to be on two term status. 

[Sentinel7]

Don't celebrate yet

 

They only did this to make the rest of their agenda easier to pass

We need to make sure they walk away with nothing

We need to make sure that they understand that this is a dead issue period.

We cannot let one of their proposals go forward

Continue to press your Representatives ( No New Gun Laws ) Enforce the ones you have on the books

We need them to understand  any assault on the 2nd Amendment will result only in Pain,Misery and Death.

 

We also need to do this anytime they try and trespass on the Bill Of Rights

Right now the 1st,2nd and 4th Amendments are under assault and we must stop them dead in their tracks

Keep the pressure up on your Representatives No Compromise on the Bill Of Rights

 

It is Working

 

No Surrender No Retreat and No  Compromise

[yota691]

Don' think this is over..Some of these Folks are due for up re-elections 2014...Ain't that right Harry...

[Shabibilicious]

You mean to tell me President Obama isn't running things?........How could so many intelligent people be so wrong?  Never saw this coming.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[Bunk]

Harry . 

[caz1104]

Harry's afraid of losing the Senate in 2014. Just another political move by a politician who needs to be on an 8 year (Two Term) limit. In my opinion they all need to be on two term status. 

100% AGREE

[Kaduku]

Good BYE Reid...You're "FIRED"! take all of your corrupted Dems/Libs with you please.

 

 

Thanks NRA!       .