Another Obama Jobs success story

[divemaster5734]

Can you believe this crap?

The US has been hemmoraging jobs since NAFTA was passed.

Now that they have almost regulated domestic corporations out of existence they are targeting individual companies with "possible" foreign country law violations.

How can ANYBODY still support this country hating moron. Please, save your comments about "respecting" the office of POTUS.

Bo has not earned and does not deserve any respect.

Gibson: Feds Want Guitar Woodwork Done by Foreign Labor

Gibson Guitar Corp. is claiming the Obama administration wants more of its woodwork done overseas, as a bizarre battle heats up between the government and one of the country's most renowned guitar makers.

The dispute started in 2009, when federal agents raided the company over suspect wood shipments from Madagascar. Gibson took that case to court but has denounced the administration with a vengeance after agents returned late last month to raid several Gibson factories -- this time out of concern that Indian export laws had been violated.

Though some reports on the dispute have cited environmental concerns, court documents suggest the latest battle boils down to a simple, non-environmental question -- which country is working on the wood?

Gibson's CEO has said repeatedly that the only reason his company is in trouble is because U.S. workers are completing work on guitar fingerboards in the United States. In an interview earlier this week, CEO Henry Juszkiewicz claimed that the U.S. government even suggested Gibson's troubles would disappear if the company used foreign labor.

The Justice Department is hamstrung from talking about the case because it's an ongoing investigation. Justice spokesman Wyn Hornbuckle told FoxNews.com only that agents were looking for evidence of "possible violations" of a law governing imports of plants and wildlife.

Hornbuckle also confirmed that no charges have yet been filed in either of the two cases.

Court documents help explain the root of the tree dispute. According to search warrants associated with the latest raid, federal agents in June intercepted a shipment of Indian ebony apparently bound for Gibson in Tennessee. The documents noted that Indian law "prohibits the export of sawn wood," which can be used for fingerboards -- but does not prohibit the export of "veneers," which are sheets of woods that have already been worked on.

The search warrants alleged that the intercepted shipment was "falsely declared" as veneer, something that would have been legal. However, the documents said the ebony was in fact unfinished "sawn wood," supposedly illegal.

This led to the raid on Gibson facilities late last month.

Juszkiewicz said in a statement that the U.S. government has effectively suggested "that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department's interpretation of a law in India."

A representative at the Indian Embassy in Washington could not be reached for comment.

But Juszkiewicz has since claimed that his company's wood exports do in fact comply with Indian law, even if American workers are doing some of the work.

In an interview on the company website, Juszkiewicz said Gibson "for decades" has purchased fingerboard wood that is two-thirds finished.

"The fact that American workers are completing the work in the United States makes it illegal," he said, citing the government's position.

Juszkiewicz maintains Gibson is still complying with the law.

My link

Edited September 3, 2011 by divemaster5734

[SurfingTheDinarWave]

Can you believe this crap?

The US has been hemorrhaging jobs since NAFTA was passed.

Now that they have almost regulated domestic corporations out of existence they are targeting individual companies with "possible" foreign country law violations.

How can ANYBODY still support this country hating moron. Please, save your comments about "respecting" the office of POTUS.

Bo has not earned and does not deserve any respect.

Gibson: Feds Want Guitar Woodwork Done by Foreign Labor

Gibson Guitar Corp. is claiming the Obama administration wants more of its woodwork done overseas, as a bizarre battle heats up between the government and one of the country's most renowned guitar makers.

The dispute started in 2009, when federal agents raided the company over suspect wood shipments from Madagascar. Gibson took that case to court but has denounced the administration with a vengeance after agents returned late last month to raid several Gibson factories -- this time out of concern that Indian export laws had been violated.

Though some reports on the dispute have cited environmental concerns, court documents suggest the latest battle boils down to a simple, non-environmental question -- which country is working on the wood?

Gibson's CEO has said repeatedly that the only reason his company is in trouble is because U.S. workers are completing work on guitar fingerboards in the United States. In an interview earlier this week, CEO Henry Juszkiewicz claimed that the U.S. government even suggested Gibson's troubles would disappear if the company used foreign labor.

The Justice Department is hamstrung from talking about the case because it's an ongoing investigation. Justice spokesman Wyn Hornbuckle told FoxNews.com only that agents were looking for evidence of "possible violations" of a law governing imports of plants and wildlife.

Hornbuckle also confirmed that no charges have yet been filed in either of the two cases.

Court documents help explain the root of the tree dispute. According to search warrants associated with the latest raid, federal agents in June intercepted a shipment of Indian ebony apparently bound for Gibson in Tennessee. The documents noted that Indian law "prohibits the export of sawn wood," which can be used for fingerboards -- but does not prohibit the export of "veneers," which are sheets of woods that have already been worked on.

The search warrants alleged that the intercepted shipment was "falsely declared" as veneer, something that would have been legal. However, the documents said the ebony was in fact unfinished "sawn wood," supposedly illegal.

This led to the raid on Gibson facilities late last month.

Juszkiewicz said in a statement that the U.S. government has effectively suggested "that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department's interpretation of a law in India."

A representative at the Indian Embassy in Washington could not be reached for comment.

But Juszkiewicz has since claimed that his company's wood exports do in fact comply with Indian law, even if American workers are doing some of the work.

In an interview on the company website, Juszkiewicz said Gibson "for decades" has purchased fingerboard wood that is two-thirds finished.

"The fact that American workers are completing the work in the United States makes it illegal," he said, citing the government's position.

Juszkiewicz maintains Gibson is still complying with the law.

My link

Dive, I've been trying to say we need to get a pink slip for Obama, Biden, Bernake, and all other co-conspirators against the people of the USA and the Constitution for the People by the People, going around to be signed by as many as we can before submitting to the white house orders to vacate the premises immediately you are here-by fired by the American people leave everything you now own nothing and seize all of their bank accounts and assets, then arrest them as they walk out for Treason and Fraud they are free game at that point and their assets are now ours. Nobody has expressed interest in it!

[vvalley]

I'm with ya brotha!!!! Ditto!!!

[SFlorida]

I'm a big believer NAFTA has been the root cause for our industry decline. Hate to say it, but it sure doesn't look like brighter future for the small business man.

[Persistence]

I do not post (lurk for news only) but this kind of crap has got me to my breaking point. I watched the interview and I'm dumbfounded at this administration and the lengths it is going.

enough is enough....................As was once said in a great movie "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE"

My energy, talents, time and money is going full bore to save whats left of our country, constitution and any hope for our children.

[DinarMillionaire]

The people that are left supporting this clown (about 34%) called the President are stupid, ignorant, morans. Try to defend this idiot.and let your ignorance be known. Anyone that still believes in this dumbass should catch the next plane out of this country, If you support him, then you support the destruction of this country. I only hope America has awakened enough to elect a true American President. His policies have all but killed America. I'm mad as hell too.

Edited September 3, 2011 by DinarMillionaire

[Redwizard]

Everyone here knows how I feel. Barry will destroy every business in America if he can. When the companies go, the jobs go. On our way to the soup lines.

[divemaster5734]

Dive, I've been trying to say we need to get a pink slip for Obama, Biden, Bernake, and all other co-conspirators against the people of the USA and the Constitution for the People by the People, going around to be signed by as many as we can before submitting to the white house orders to vacate the premises immediately you are here-by fired by the American people leave everything you now own nothing and seize all of their bank accounts and assets, then arrest them as they walk out for Treason and Fraud they are free game at that point and their assets are now ours. Nobody has expressed interest in it!

There are some pink slip campaigns already.

I'll find the link.

It cost like $30 and a pink slip with your message was delivered to the whole house or senate.

a couple times we emptied the pink paper supply in US and Canada.

I do not post (lurk for news only) but this kind of crap has got me to my breaking point. I watched the interview and I'm dumbfounded at this administration and the lengths it is going.

enough is enough....................As was once said in a great movie "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE"

My energy, talents, time and money is going full bore to save whats left of our country, constitution and any hope for our children.

Network was a very cool movie.

An instant classic.

I agree, a good part of the RV money will be spent to expose all the liars in DC, on both "sides"

[MoneyMoney7]

As I have said over and over, Obama has plans to be america's first dictator, and this is not a joke. This is their plans, and they will use martial law to try and implement that. Watch and see if I am not 100% correct. Obama wants to be like his communist comrades, Magabe, Mandella, Castro, Stalin, Lenin, etc. The america patriot will be forced into a civil war, after massive race riots, and race wars. It's coming, be prepared.

[BruceV]

As I have said over and over, Obama has plans to be america's first dictator, and this is not a joke. This is their plans, and they will use martial law to try and implement that. Watch and see if I am not 100% correct. Obama wants to be like his communist comrades, Magabe, Mandella, Castro, Stalin, Lenin, etc. The america patriot will be forced into a civil war, after massive race riots, and race wars. It's coming, be prepared.

Moneymoney. U are right! What is it going to take for these idiots to understand the will the people? ??? Its not crazy to think that we could be the next lybia.. syria and then north korea. I know its crazy talk... but I gosh. How much ia this country going to go down the drain before people wake up??? Just to dismiss this is just plain dum. We are a joke of a country and the whole system needs to be fixed before its to late and that's not by way of socialism or dictatorship!!!

[lightfighter]

I do not post (lurk for news only) but this kind of crap has got me to my breaking point. I watched the interview and I'm dumbfounded at this administration and the lengths it is going.

enough is enough....................As was once said in a great movie "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE"

My energy, talents, time and money is going full bore to save whats left of our country, constitution and any hope for our children.

I'll help. Post me a message in my profile if I can be of use.

[kenbo]

Everyone here knows how I feel. Barry will destroy every business in America if he can. When the companies go, the jobs go. On our way to the soup lines.

Except there may not be any soup left!

[mojack]

Can you believe this crap?

The US has been hemmoraging jobs since NAFTA was passed.

Now that they have almost regulated domestic corporations out of existence they are targeting individual companies with "possible" foreign country law violations.

How can ANYBODY still support this country hating moron. Please, save your comments about "respecting" the office of POTUS.

Bo has not earned and does not deserve any respect.

Gibson: Feds Want Guitar Woodwork Done by Foreign Labor

My link

Divemaster et al - you know how I stand but how can this directly be related to BO? Does anyone think it's on his desk?

That federal office is simply enforcing and perhaps fumbling an India law. It's not concluded yet.

Again, media framing.... "Feds Want Guitar Woodwork Done by Foreign Labor"... that's a very misleading title... really not a matter of "want" but seemingly it's a law/certification that may have been violated... Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace.

The Rainforest Alliance launched the world’s first sustainable forestry certification program in 1989 to encourage market-driven and environmentally and socially responsible management of forests, tree farms and forest resources. The organization's SmartWood program helped found the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), a non-profit organization that promotes responsible forest management globally, in 1993. SmartWood is accredited to certify forestry operations that meet the FSC's environmental and social standards. Operations that earn certification can use a seal on wood products so consumers know that the wood they are buying comes from forestlands that are managed in a way that conserves biodiversity and ensures the rights of workers and local people.

Edited September 3, 2011 by mojack

[jaman]

Divemaster et al - you know how I stand but how can this directly be related to BO? Does anyone think it's on his desk?

That federal office is simply enforcing and perhaps fumbling an India law. It's not concluded yet.

Again, media framing.... "Feds Want Guitar Woodwork Done by Foreign Labor"... that's a very misleading title... really not a matter of "want" but seemingly it's a law/certification that may have been violated... Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace.

The Rainforest Alliance launched the world’s first sustainable forestry certification program in 1989 to encourage market-driven and environmentally and socially responsible management of forests, tree farms and forest resources. The organization's SmartWood program helped found the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), a non-profit organization that promotes responsible forest management globally, in 1993. SmartWood is accredited to certify forestry operations that meet the FSC's environmental and social standards. Operations that earn certification can use a seal on wood products so consumers know that the wood they are buying comes from forestlands that are managed in a way that conserves biodiversity and ensures the rights of workers and local people.

"The organization's SmartWood program helped found the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), a non-profit organization that promotes responsible forest management globally, in 1993. SmartWood is accredited to certify forestry operations that meet the FSC's environmental and social standards".

this is aload of crap,MHO once the product leaves the port THE transactions are complete ...DONE . this nazi way of barging in and just take..like there doing to the raw product farms as well who the heck do they think there messing with...USA... time to dig in roll them sleeves again

Edited September 3, 2011 by jaman

[mojack]

"The organization's SmartWood program helped found the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), a non-profit organization that promotes responsible forest management globally, in 1993. SmartWood is accredited to certify forestry operations that meet the FSC's environmental and social standards".

this is aload of crap,MHO once the product leaves the port THE transactions are complete ...DONE . this nazi way of barging in and just take..like there doing to the raw product farms as well who the heck do they think there messing with...USA... time to dig in roll them sleeves again

jaman... you just have to wait for the results of the investigation to come out. We can't make assumption off the top from what we see in the articles or the CEO interview.... that's careless, I'm not!

[divemaster5734]

Divemaster et al - you know how I stand but how can this directly be related to BO? Does anyone think it's on his desk?

That federal office is simply enforcing and perhaps fumbling an India law. It's not concluded yet.

Again, media framing.... "Feds Want Guitar Woodwork Done by Foreign Labor"... that's a very misleading title... really not a matter of "want" but seemingly it's a law/certification that may have been violated... Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace.

The Rainforest Alliance launched the world’s first sustainable forestry certification program in 1989 to encourage market-driven and environmentally and socially responsible management of forests, tree farms and forest resources. The organization's SmartWood program helped found the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), a non-profit organization that promotes responsible forest management globally, in 1993. SmartWood is accredited to certify forestry operations that meet the FSC's environmental and social standards. Operations that earn certification can use a seal on wood products so consumers know that the wood they are buying comes from forestlands that are managed in a way that conserves biodiversity and ensures the rights of workers and local people.

BO is not solely responsible for the situation our country is in.

It has been the combined effort of both republicans and democrats, along with uninformed voters.

However, this is not a new story. the raid was several days ago.

If BO didn't agree, he would have pounced on this immediately and denounced the entire fiasco.

His silence confirms his stance.

I appreciate there MAY have been a technicality with Indian law, but the product was shipped out with their blessings.

If anything, the DoJ could have simply opened an investigation, and not performed a full Nazi raid on an established American company.

It is BO insistence on turning the USA over to the UN, his EO that made UN police a higher authority than any American agency, and his repeated anti-American actions that have me livid.

Edited September 3, 2011 by divemaster5734

[Danan]

Dive, I've been trying to say we need to get a pink slip for Obama, Biden, Bernake, and all other co-conspirators against the people of the USA and the Constitution for the People by the People, going around to be signed by as many as we can before submitting to the white house orders to vacate the premises immediately you are here-by fired by the American people leave everything you now own nothing and seize all of their bank accounts and assets, then arrest them as they walk out for Treason and Fraud they are free game at that point and their assets are now ours. Nobody has expressed interest in it!

I recently read an article that a lady in CA had filed treason charges and other charges against Obama in Federal court. Not sure now if it was Federal. But listed several very good reasons to have him impeached. Maybe each of us that is like minded shoudl do the same thing. We might just get him out of office.

[divemaster5734]

Dive, I've been trying to say we need to get a pink slip for Obama, Biden, Bernake, and all other co-conspirators against the people of the USA and the Constitution for the People by the People, going around to be signed by as many as we can before submitting to the white house orders to vacate the premises immediately you are here-by fired by the American people leave everything you now own nothing and seize all of their bank accounts and assets, then arrest them as they walk out for Treason and Fraud they are free game at that point and their assets are now ours. Nobody has expressed interest in it!

Here's a couple links.

Grass tops USA. They have had several different campaigns, some have had huge success.

They already have the infrastructure set up for pink slip faxes.

You can use one of their messages, or write your own.

Last time I did it was earlier this year, cost around $30.

Here's the link.

GrasstopsUSA

WND. Anyone upset with our current POTUS should be familiar with this site.

They don't have a "new" campaign going, but they are the core of the "birthier" movement.

WND

I don't "hate" anyone that doesn't agree with me, they are my fellow Americans, and have that right.

I only loathe those that continue to defy the guidelines in the constitution, ignore the Bill of Rights, and only seek to consolidate their political power.

I think people are waking up to the fact there is not a lot of difference between the moderates.

The progressives are as much a curse to the dems as the racists are to the cons.

I can only speak for the cons in saying we are weeding out the haters as they become apparent.

You know the saying, "Anyone under 30 that isn't a democrat doesn't have any heart, and anyone over 30 that's not a republican doesn't have any brains."

The truth is libertarians have the answer for both.

Republicans were corrupted by the money from corporate lobbies, and promoted Fascism knowingly or not.

Democrats were corrupted by excessive government power, and promotes Socialism, knowingly or not.

it is time for both peoples to understand their fallacy and work together to both remove the polarized politicians, and return our country to the founding principals.

[SurfingTheDinarWave]

Here's a couple links.

Grass tops USA. They have had several different campaigns, some have had huge success.

They already have the infrastructure set up for pink slip faxes.

You can use one of their messages, or write your own.

Last time I did it was earlier this year, cost around $30.

Here's the link.

GrasstopsUSA

WND. Anyone upset with our current POTUS should be familiar with this site.

They don't have a "new" campaign going, but they are the core of the "birthier" movement.

WND

I don't "hate" anyone that doesn't agree with me, they are my fellow Americans, and have that right.

I only loathe those that continue to defy the guidelines in the constitution, ignore the Bill of Rights, and only seek to consolidate their political power.

I think people are waking up to the fact there is not a lot of difference between the moderates.

The progressives are as much a curse to the dems as the racists are to the cons.

I can only speak for the cons in saying we are weeding out the haters as they become apparent.

You know the saying, "Anyone under 30 that isn't a democrat doesn't have any heart, and anyone over 30 that's not a republican doesn't have any brains."

The truth is libertarians have the answer for both.

Republicans were corrupted by the money from corporate lobbies, and promoted Fascism knowingly or not.

Democrats were corrupted by excessive government power, and promotes Socialism, knowingly or not.

it is time for both peoples to understand their fallacy and work together to both remove the polarized politicians, and return our country to the founding principals.

Thanks Dive...I'm on it!!

[mojack]

BO is not solely responsible for the situation our country is in.

It has been the combined effort of both republicans and democrats, along with uninformed voters.

However, this is not a new story. the raid was several days ago.

If BO didn't agree, he would have pounced on this immediately and denounced the entire fiasco.

His silence confirms his stance.

I appreciate there MAY have been a technicality with Indian law, but the product was shipped out with their blessings.

If anything, the DoJ could have simply opened an investigation, and not performed a full Nazi raid on an established American company.

It is BO insistence on turning the USA over to the UN, his EO that made UN police a higher authority than any American agency, and his repeated anti-American actions that have me livid.

I just don't think the president should be involved on this level. We can't believe that the president's approval should be granted before a federal launched investigation. And that the president must review the reconnaissance and entry plan. That’s a bit much…. And who knows what questions are being asked since then. Does it have to be public? Who is the actual director of the branch of law? I say let’s see the outcome before over criticism.

Just like this RV, all unknown factors are not seen.

[bright]

So this president is the one who started sending our jobs to other countries.........perhaps many people just have been sleeping for a couple of decades.......

[SurfingTheDinarWave]

I just don't think the president should be involved on this level. We can't believe that the president's approval should be granted before a federal launched investigation. And that the president must review the reconnaissance and entry plan. That’s a bit much…. And who knows what questions are being asked since then. Does it have to be public? Who is the actual director of the branch of law? I say let’s see the outcome before over criticism.

Just like this RV, all unknown factors are not seen.

For one the unknown is the should be known, and what we hear is what they want us to know not necessarily the truth!

The truth is 100% absolute, one you add .00000000001% fabrication or lie to it it is still a lie and will get closer too 100% lie as it gets passed on from person to person. So in the media how many times does that happen before we see it, well it goes through a sound editor, screen editor, writing editor, video editor, before it gets to the editor in chief who passes it on to the director/producer who then adds his or her spin to it to then out of the news anchor or reporters mouth...and that was after it was discovered by a investigative reporter and the camera crew on scene!

By the time we hear most things they have effectively become rumors, or fabricated dramatized stories!

Our President should never be on the level he is with the UN!! It is treason and unconstitutional to put another entity in control over the American people!!

[tyron]

I just don't think the president should be involved on this level. We can't believe that the president's approval should be granted before a federal launched investigation. And that the president must review the reconnaissance and entry plan. That’s a bit much…. And who knows what questions are being asked since then. Does it have to be public? Who is the actual director of the branch of law? I say let’s see the outcome before over criticism.

Just like this RV, all unknown factors are not seen.

You know what is the good thing about you Mojack. When there are people like you around there will never be such a thing as a lynch mob. You demand justice for all at all times. The CEO of Gibsons has been given a pleading (court writ) which states that he will have no more problems if moves his operation to Madagascar! What good is it calling someone the president of his country he will not even step in to save a national treasure such as Gibsons from such unjust practices?

[divemaster5734]

You know what is the good thing about you Mojack. When there are people like you around there will never be such a thing as a lynch mob. You demand justice for all at all times. The CEO of Gibsons has been given a pleading (court writ) which states that he will have no more problems if moves his operation to Madagascar! What good is it calling someone the president of his country he will not even step in to save a national treasure such as Gibsons from such unjust practices?

That is my point exactly.

I appreciate being circumspect in this one instance.

However, the repercussions of the gov's actions all point to a singular agenda.

It's the same as BO claiming to be a Christian, when in fact he prays with the Muslims almost daily, then attends a Christian church twice in 3 years.

What are we left to believe?

How long must we be unassuming?

Many Christians were fooled into believing Bush was "spirit filled", maybe, but not the Holy Spirit that was assumed.

It is obvious we as a peoples need to become much more active in our politics.

I am turning down the anti BO rhetoric, it is not accomplishing anything.

My goal is to open discussions with honest people hoping to discover the truth.

As much as I would love the see a lynch mob, it would not help our country at all, it would probably tear it apart.

That is my fear, are we so polarized that no matter what happens next election will our country explode?

How many people have to lose a job, face the humiliation at home because they can't afford even a simple birthday present, or new clothes for kids school before everyone is so tired of it they will actually sit down to actually try to work something out?

[mojack]

You know what is the good thing about you Mojack. When there are people like you around there will never be such a thing as a lynch mob. You demand justice for all at all times. The CEO of Gibsons has been given a pleading (court writ) which states that he will have no more problems if moves his operation to Madagascar! What good is it calling someone the president of his country he will not even step in to save a national treasure such as Gibsons from such unjust practices?

Come on Ty I haven't read or seen that one... only heard his comment and it wasn't stated like that... I'll look for it. I'm very cautious how how things appear to be. Everyone doesn't hear things the same way.

I hear you guys though! Let's track it.

Edited September 4, 2011 by mojack