they teed off the wrong group seal team 6

[wpsmit]

That is what I thought you was talking about, just wanted to make sure.

Yes America lost some GREAT men and my heart goes out to the families. Do I think O will do anything about it? No.

If we want to do anything about it, we will have to do it ourselves. I think it is fishy!

I'm surprised he hasn't made a statement to the muslim world. Something like "I want to apologize to the world for the arrogance that the United States has shown in flying a helicopter around in your country".

God bless the families and the men and women who serve!

[anonmouse013]

seals are sailors not soldiers

Small correction: SEALs, Rangers - spec ops in general are not sailors or soldiers.

They are "operators" with abundant training, an uncomprehensible skill set, and a professionalism that goes well beyond standard military.

Operators are trained & accustomed to being in harm's way. They fully realize the dangers & possible scenarios & outcomes.

Truly the Best of the Best, and recognized world-wide.

Never leave a man behind.

Payback is a *****

[tyron]

Thats your opinion and you're entitled to it, thanks to those of us who have served and are currently serving. Standing guard on an oil field is needed when there are bad people trying to blow them up with the sole purpose of causing an environmental castrophe.

Really, when was the last time you heard of an oil field being blown up by 'bad people' in ANY country. Even the worst dictator would make sure such a thing did not happen and not for environmental purposes either.

And btw what about the poppy fields. Were they in danger of being blown up by bad people as well.

[Don & Rocio]

Really, when was the last time you heard of an oil field being blown up by 'bad people' in ANY country. Even the worst dictator would make sure such a thing did not happen and not for environmental purposes either.

And btw what about the poppy fields. Were they in danger of being blown up by bad people as well.

Yes really. The were not destroyed because brave men and women were guarding them. As for poppy fields, they're keeping bad people from harvesting them to fund their terrorist activites. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand this but you can draw whatever conclusion you would like.

It's called "prevention"

Edited August 12, 2011 by Don & Rocio

[usndiver]

Really, when was the last time you heard of an oil field being blown up by 'bad people' in ANY country. Even the worst dictator would make sure such a thing did not happen and not for environmental purposes either.

And btw what about the poppy fields. Were they in danger of being blown up by bad people as well.

So I suppose that the oil field rigs that were set on fire when Saddam's troops retreated during the first Gulf War are a figment of our imagination?

[littlefeet]

So I suppose that the oil field rigs that were set on fire when Saddam's troops retreated during the first Gulf War are a figment of our imagination?

Thats what I was thinking......We all remember that, some do forget !

[tyron]

So I suppose that the oil field rigs that were set on fire when Saddam's troops retreated during the first Gulf War are a figment of our imagination?

Surely the question must be were they burning before America started its illegal war based on utterly false WMD 'intel'? Sadam was their man until he didn't want to play the petroldollar game anymore. The issue was never humanitarian but economic.

[easy]

I wonder how many of these people doing all this complaining have ever worn a military uniform in the line of duty. Service to our country is only a phrase for some, while others give all. Debating this issue only diminishes the price these warriors paid. GOD BLESS them and their familys.

[littlefeet]

Surely the question must be were they burning before America started its illegal war based on utterly false WMD 'intel'? Sadam was their man until he didn't want to play the petroldollar game anymore. The issue was never humanitarian but economic.

'FIRST GULF WAR' !!!!!!!!!! When he (Saddam) invaded Kuwait............ QUIT USING PLATITUDES AND BUMPER STICKERS TO MAKE A POINT, its fairly easy to follow along.

I wonder how many of these people doing all this complaining have ever worn a military uniform in the line of duty. Service to our country is only a phrase for some, while others give all. Debating this issue only diminishes the price these warriors paid. GOD BLESS them and their familys.

[divemaster5734]

Really, when was the last time you heard of an oil field being blown up by 'bad people' in ANY country. Even the worst dictator would make sure such a thing did not happen and not for environmental purposes either.

And btw what about the poppy fields. Were they in danger of being blown up by bad people as well.

LOL, the village idiot's private company sold the opium farmers the irrigation supplies and increased production by 400%. Their customers had to understand the power and reach of their "vendor", THATS why the fields HAD to be protected.

Read more Here My link

Bush-connected Firm Involved In Opium Production In Marja Afghanistan In 1970s

By Wayne Madsen / WayneMadsenReport.com

A one-time Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) source revealed to WMR that a Bush family-connected firm, the St. Joe Company, was heavily involved in an irrigation project that provided water to opium-producing fields in southern Afghanistan in the 1970s.

The project, the Helmand-Arghandab Valley Authority (HAVA) irrigation system and the US Agency for International Development (USAID)-constructed Kajaki Dam, saw Afghanistan’s opium production reach all-time yields in the 1970s, before the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.

St. Joe Company, based in Jacksonville, is one of the largest private property owners in Florida, having increased its ownership of land when former Florida Governor Jeb Bush arranged for the “sweetheart” sale of public state-owned land to the firm during his governorship.

St. Joe has long been connected to US government operations around the world. It was founded in 1936 by the Alfred I. du Pont Testamentary Trust. St. Joe also owned the Talisman Sugar Company, which was heavily involved in Florida sugar cane production and partly responsible for the imposition of disastrous restrictions on the import of sugar from countries in the Caribbean, a policy that ensured economic instability in the nations of the West Indies.

St. Joe was also a part owner of Jeb Bush’s firm, the Codina Group, run by Bush’s close friend Armando Codina, a Cuban exile who fled the island as a teen.

On August 2, 2006, WMR reported: “President George W. and Florida Governor Jeb Bush, two brothers who owe their offices to the power of the right-wing Cuban-American community in south Florida, engaged in a macabre and sinister death watch for Cuban President Fidel Castro while being hosted by wealthy Cuban-American supporters. As Castro was rushed to the hospital suffering from internal bleeding, the Bush brothers began planning action against the Cuban government and the two Castro brothers — Fidel and Raul.

… The Bush brothers huddled at a Republican National Committee fundraiser with Jeb Bush’s business mentor and partner, wealthy Cuban-American real estate developer Armando Codina, head of the Codina Group and close friend of George H. W. Bush. Codina sponsored the fundraiser at his Coral Gables home. Until 1994, the firm was known as the Codina-Bush Group. Codina and Jeb Bush made a fortune in developing southern Florida real estate properties. Codina invested $1000 in 1984 in a Miami office tower project and cashed out his shares in 1990 for a hefty $346,000. Before he left Codina in 1993, Jeb earned huge commissions for the sale of real estate to Japanese investors. Jeb also sold water pumps [for irrigation projects as in Afghanistan] to Nigeria in a questionable deal involving Nigeria’s military junta, M&W Pump, and another Bush company, Bush-El. These deals occurred at the same time that Jeb Bush was enmeshed in the savings and loan scandal involving Florida-based financial institutions. As reported by WMR last November, the politically-powerful St. Joe Company has a significant investment in the Codina Group. After Jeb Bush became governor, he took care of his real estate business friends, selling them state-owned land at cut rate prices.

Joining the Bush brothers in Coral Gables were the Florida Cuban-American GOP congressional team of Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, who best represents the fact that America’s foreign policies on the Middle East and Latin America have been outsourced to two vocal and politically powerful special interests — the Israeli and Cuban exile lobbies. Ros Lehtinen’s mother was a Jewish-Cuban refugee from Cuba. Joining the Bush brothers in the Florida death watch huddle was another GOP brother team, Representatives Lincoln and Mario-Diaz Balart. The brothers Bush and Balart and Ros-Lehtinen and Codina have their eyes set on lucrative real estate development schemes for post-Castro Cuba. The fact that oil has been discovered in Cuban waters has also earned the interest of the Bush-Cheney petroleum cartel.”

On September 4, 2009, WMR reported on a more-than-coincidental link between St. Joe and the collapsed financial empire of now-jailed Sir Allen Stanford. WMR reported on Stanford’s attorney: “[Carlos] Loumiet is listed as the registered agent for the Stanford home [in Coral Gables] in a contrivance called Casuarina 20 LLC. Located nearby at 50 Casuarina is the home of Cuban-American businessman Armando Codina, Jeb Bush’s longtime friend and business partner who has sat on the boards of American Airlines and Merrill Lynch. In the weeks prior to Jeb Bush taking over as Governor of Florida, Stanford Trust, in December 1998, inked the sweetheart deal with Arthur M. Simon, the director of the Florida Division of Baking within the Department of Banking and Finance to allow the Antigua-based entity to begin issuing CDs in Florida. The deal was signed by Stanford Trust on December 10 and by Simon on December 14. In the interim, Florida’s outgoing Democratic Governor Lawton Chiles died of a heart attack on December 12 in the Governor’s Mansion.”

Stanford was under investigation for laundering drug money for the CIA through his banks in Antigua, Panama, Colombia, and other countries.

With opium production again at an all-time high in US-occupied Afghanistan, it would appear that the Bush family is, once again, reaping the benefits of the opium trade it once enjoyed in Afghanistan in the 1970s under King Mohammad Zahir Shah and Prince Mohammad Daoud until the pro-Soviet coup in April 1978.

In November 1974, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger visited Kabul and agreed to increase funding for USAID projects in Afghanistan, including the irrigation programs benefiting Afghanistan’s opium output.

After a few years, Daoud, who succeeded the King and proclaimed a republic, grew tired of his Soviet military advisers and Communist Cabinet ministers and began to dismiss them. A CIA report states that on April 13, 1977, “Soviet party leader Leonid Brezhnev launched into a tirade about the large number of ‘experts’ from ‘NATO countries’ involved in various projects in Afghanistan. He asserted that they were ‘spies’ and demanded they be sent out of the country.” Brezhnev and his KGB were undoubtedly aware that the CIA, who was under the directorship of George H. W. “Poppy” Bush in 1976, and his connected firms like St. Joe were cashing in on the increase in Afghanistan opium yields.

Mocow Radio’s home service reported on November 24, 1985, “As far back as 1979, a secret deal was concluded between the CIA and the ringleaders of the Dushman groups of smugglers. The deal made provision, in particular, for the supply from the USA, in the guise of medical instruments, of equipment for converting raw opium into heroin and morphine. At present in the Peshawar region, about 20 such clandestine laboratories are operating. Moreover, the CIA stipulated only one condition: part of the cash gained from the sale of drugs must be donated to purchase weapons for the Dushman bands.” The Soviets referred to the Afghan Mujaheddin groups in Pakistan aided by the CIA as the “Dushman” groups — Dushman being an Afghan word for “enemies of the revolution.”

On March 19, 1989, The Sunday Times of London reported, “Four years ago the United States Drug Enforcement Agency recognized that 50% of the heroin getting to America came from the country receiving the most aid from the CIA [Afghanistan]. Even so, nothing was done.”

After coming to power in the 1990s, the Taliban drastically curtailed opium production, totally banning its production in July 2000. Under President Hamid Karzai, Karzai’s family, most notably his younger half brother, Ahmed Wali Karzai, who is paid by the CIA, is financially benefiting from the current windfall profits from opium exports. Opium production is at an all-time high, with an estimated street value now pegged at $3 billion per year.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He is a frequent political and national security commentator on Television News and is a regular contributor to Russia Today. Madsen is the author of Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops & Brass Plates and Overthrow a Fascist Regime on $15 a Day.

[RodandStaff]

Didn't you find it ironic the same team that took out OBL just happened to get wiped out a few weeks later?

I have no doubt we lost some VERY honorable men.

I would not be surprised if they were intentionally set up.

Anyone that has had anything to do with secure operations knows what this country will do to keep a secret.

They also know what this country has done to promote it's own agenda, unfortunately that changes depending on who you talk to.

The bottom line is Americans suffered a great loss.

Each one of those guys had more honor and integrity in their pinky finger than most politicians can even comprehend.

Suspicious minds think alike ... until the news reported that even though they were from the same unit, none of these seals took part in the raid on OBL's compound. Yup, I jumped the gun on that one myself.

Really, when was the last time you heard of an oil field being blown up by 'bad people' in ANY country. Even the worst dictator would make sure such a thing did not happen and not for environmental purposes either.

And btw what about the poppy fields. Were they in danger of being blown up by bad people as well.

If you recall as Saddam was retreating from Kuwait they set several oil fields on fire... what a mess! Just saying!

[tyron]

'FIRST GULF WAR' !!!!!!!!!! When he (Saddam) invaded Kuwait............ QUIT USING PLATITUDES AND BUMPER STICKERS TO MAKE A POINT, its fairly easy to follow along.

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Thing is littlefeet, Kuwait was once part of Iraq until western powers broke them apart like what they did to Palestine, Sri Lanka, and India. And as time went on Kuwait which is not as innocent as you think broadened its borders, and then they started to doing a very sneaky thing. Instead of drilling straight into the ground for oil they drilled at their borders diagonally. That in Sadam's books was stealing. Sadam, being the gung ho dictator, of course wanted to invate and April Glaspie, the US Ambassador to Iraq, told Saddam Hussein that "the US government has no opinion on the coming military activities." This impression that America would turn a blind eye, he thought, gave him the permission to invade. The rest you know better than me, maybe even by first hand experience. Another thing littlefeet, give this a thought. There is a basin of oil so large in Alaska that it rivals everything in the middle-east. So the argument that the American economy will grind to a halt if the middle east stopped supplying oil is bogus. The Americans actually don't need the oil from the middle-east at all. Now you tell me what the senseless wars are about then?

[tyron]

I wonder how many of these people doing all this complaining have ever worn a military uniform in the line of duty. Service to our country is only a phrase for some, while others give all. Debating this issue only diminishes the price these warriors paid. GOD BLESS them and their familys.

Dear Easy, I have never worn a military uniform as I don't see invading other countries as a service to my country. In fact, I feel so very sorry for the veterans who come back and end up drunks, homeless, their lives ruined for ever by the brutality they have seen. Please view the statistics before replying to this statement. All for what? How is America better by sending drones to Libya under the guise of humanitarian aid? How is it humanitarian aid if the entire population is exposed to DU bombs? There are now riots in England? Will NATO send drones? Try to oust Cameron? No of course not. These wars have agendas and 'warriors' are sacrificed. American should stay in America. America was greatest before it began all its terrible wars around the world. Then the whole world envied the American lifestyle, American values, their inspiring love for their country, their film industry, their technology, their sense of fun, their robust American economy. Did you know Japan had to rename a little town USA so they could print made in USA on their products to trick the world into buying their products. What can America be proud of today?

[DumNDumer]

You will be happy to know that it was reported on the news this morning that the individuals responsible for downing the helicopter were found and killed.

SO THEY SAID, DO I BELIEVE IT NO OF COURSE NOT WHO WOULD!

LUCI

I do know some military rules but i DO NOT UNDERSAND why so many Seals would would be on one helicopter.

Will there ever be a real investagation or will it be sweep under the rug like everthing else.

I HAVE MY OWN DEEP THOUGHTS!

My heart aches for the families of this terrible disaster.

R.I.P. our fallen heros.

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REPLY

THANKS

LUCI

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[Polar]

im sure their is some back room planning going on there wont be anywhere to hide .. bring on the moab and carpet bombs special forces and laser guided missles , and clear the rest out with flame throwers a couple weeks of a new bombing campaign is in order here . no prisoners ! no more mister nice guy and negotiating .. we tried .... they only understand fire and bombs.. we wont run from this . this will make us stronger

Agreed!!!! I spent 4 years in Afghanistan and strongly disagree with the Mr. Nice guy strategy. I've seen goodwill convoys (handing out candy to kids) ambushed and the soldiers are not allowed to respond in kind if there is a risk of even 1 civilian casualty. The recent articles about the assassinations of the Governor of Kandahar, Karzai’s drug lord brother, simply illustrate that power is all they understand. God was watching over me the day we took 2 RPG’s into our product, with the promise of protection from that local drug lord. I came an idealist; I left disillusioned. There is no exit strategy. Turn the landscape to glass and start over.....

[E A Poe]

As a christian, I cannot countenance the "kill them all and let God sort them out" mentality. By the Grace of God, you and I live in the USA. I cannot imagine what life is like in Afghanistan or Iraq, and I truly feel for those human beings who are caught up by the violence, not a part of it, but unable to escape it. Just for the record, I work with veterans every day. I see the terrible physical and mental damage caused by war. We all know that a politician's goal has nothing to do with our state of well being. I am proud of what our country stands for...Freedom, Liberty. and Justice for ALL under God, indivisible ....What I am not proud of, is our government with their sneaky, dangerous and downright illegal agenda, that puts our men and women in harms way, not to defend our country, but to defend their plan to reap more power and wealth. I cannot imagine that Jesus would look over a country, sigh and say, "Well, most of them hate me........ so.....Just obliterate them all...my father will sort them out. For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only son. It is pity I feel for the men, women, and children who are caught up in the wars and violence around the world. Call me a bleeding heart liberal...............because that's what I am.

[sandraed1963]

Small correction: SEALs, Rangers - spec ops in general are not sailors or soldiers.

They are "operators" with abundant training, an uncomprehensible skill set, and a professionalism that goes well beyond standard military.

Operators are trained & accustomed to being in harm's way. They fully realize the dangers & possible scenarios & outcomes.

Truly the Best of the Best, and recognized world-wide.

Never leave a man behind.

Payback is a *****

Edited August 13, 2011 by sandraed1963

[RodandStaff]

As a christian, I cannot countenance the "kill them all and let God sort them out" mentality. By the Grace of God, you and I live in the USA. I cannot imagine what life is like in Afghanistan or Iraq, and I truly feel for those human beings who are caught up by the violence, not a part of it, but unable to escape it. Just for the record, I work with veterans every day. I see the terrible physical and mental damage caused by war. We all know that a politician's goal has nothing to do with our state of well being. I am proud of what our country stands for...Freedom, Liberty. and Justice for ALL under God, indivisible ....What I am not proud of, is our government with their sneaky, dangerous and downright illegal agenda, that puts our men and women in harms way, not to defend our country, but to defend their plan to reap more power and wealth. I cannot imagine that Jesus would look over a country, sigh and say, "Well, most of them hate me........ so.....Just obliterate them all...my father will sort them out. For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only son. It is pity I feel for the men, women, and children who are caught up in the wars and violence around the world. Call me a bleeding heart liberal...............because that's what I am.

Totally agree with you. Not all Germans were like Hitler, not all Russians were like Stalin! We tend to take one mad man and loop everyone in with him. We have been blessed to be born Americans. That comes with certain privileges that are quickly eroding. But we need to be aware that not all is lily white here in our country, nor dark as night in other countries just because of their leaders. Killing "everything in sight" will only aggravate the rest of the world... and you think things are tough now... we don't have enough military to p*ss off the whole world... trust me on that one!

[speculatorsRIDE]

I served proudly for our country. I have seen things that most could not comprehend. Our military is quite capable of surgically removing targets out of a crowd. We do it all the time. For someone who has never worn a uniform for our country, to set back and try and make me feel guilty about civilian casualties in war time is a little aggravating to say the least. Now am I saying that there isn't collateral damage in war? No I am not. It happens. Is it acceptable? Yes it is. But you better believe that every effort is made to minimize that damage. Reports of civilians killed are routinely exaggerated in war time. Many killed are taken out by our enemy and blamed on American forces. I spent enough time in the military to understand that the American population is told or sees just what our government allows us to hear or see. It is commonly referred to in the military as "Need to Know". If the American population doesn't need to know it then you will never hear or see it. Plain and simple. If it benefits our government to allow false information to be released to the general population then false information is what you will see or hear. I do not suffer from normalcy syndrome. I do not believe everything I see or hear. I verify facts and I understand there are facts that will never be verified. I am prepared for almost any situation that may come to pass. I am quite capable of surviving without all the luxuries that many view as necessary. If you want to label me as survivalist or even crazy so be it. No matter what happens I am prepared and will survive. Can you say the same? How about your family? Going through life with blinders on and accepting what ever your told is for the foolhearted.