bigwave Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 1. Climate Has Always Changed—Always All proxy temperature data sets reveal that there have been cyclical changes in climate in the past 10,000 years. There is not a single climate scientist who denies this well-established fact. It doesn’t matter what your position on the causes and magnitude and danger (or not) of current climate change is—you have to be on board on this one. Climate has always changed. And it has changed in both directions, hot and cold. Until at least the 17th century, all these changes occurred when almost all humans were hunters, gatherers, and farmers. 2. Temperature Increase in the Past Was Not Caused by Humans Industrialization did not happen until the 17th century. Therefore, no prior changes in climate were driven by human emissions of carbon dioxide. In the last 2,000 years alone, global temperatures rose at least twice (around the 1st and 10th centuries) to levels very similar to today’s, and neither of those warm periods were caused by humans. 3. The Arctic and Antarctic Are Doing Better than Ever! Yes, you read that right. The 10,000-year Holocene paleoclimatology records reveal that both the Arctic and Antarctic are in some of their healthiest states. The only better period for the poles was the 17th century, during the Little Ice Age, when the ice mass levels were higher than today’s. For the larger part of the past 10,000 years, the ice mass levels were lower than today’s. Despite huge losses in recent decades, ice mass levels are at or near their historic highs. 4. Polar Bears and Other Species Are Not Dying But Flourishing! If you paid attention to the previous fact, then the following one is not hard to understand. Polar bears—often used as a symbol of climate doomsday—are one of the key species in the Arctic. Contrary to the hype surrounding their extinction fear, the population numbers have actually increased in the past two decades. Last year, the Canadian government considered increasing polar bear killing quotas as their increasing numbers posed a threat to the Inuit communities living in the Nunavut area. The increase in population size flies in the face of those who continue to claim otherwise in the popular news media. And it is not just the polar bears in the Arctic. Other critical species elsewhere, like tigers, are also making a comeback. 5. Carbon Dioxide Is Not a Temperature Control Knob While most of the current climatologists who collaborate with the United Nations believe anthropogenic CO2 emissions have exacerbated natural warming in recent decades, there is no empirical proof to support their claim. The only way to test it would be to wait and see if their assumptions come true. The entire climate fraternity was in for a surprise when global temperature between 2000 and 2016 failed to rise as anticipated by the climate alarmists. The scientists assumed that rising CO2 emissions from human activity would result in a rapid rise in temperature, but they didn’t. This proved that atmospheric CO2 concentrations are not the primary factor controlling global temperature. Consideration of a much longer period (10,000 or more years) suggests that CO2 had no significant role to play in temperature increases. CO2 never was the temperature control knob. It would be naïve not to acknowledge this blatant and lopsided reporting in our news media. These are some of the many climate facts that the media refuses to acknowledge, like the impending solar minimum that NASA has predicted for the next two solar cycles between 2021 and 2041, ushering in a period of global cooling like it did during the solar minimum of 17th century. There are other facts that run contrary to popular belief, such that there has been no increase in the frequency or intensity of floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, droughts, or other extreme weather events. Even the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reported low confidence that global warming—manmade or not—was driving increases in extreme weather events. The list is endless. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-05/5-surprising-scientific-facts-about-earths-climate 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indraman Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 One key fact that simple alludes the so-called 'Global Warming' cult members: namely that all Climate Models do not consider the warming and cooling affects of the sun. In all models, they assume the Sun is a stable and non-changing element of the Earth's Climate System. How does this make any sense? The predictions that these so-called 'Climate Scientists' are making from their so-called 'Climate Models' are about as valid predicting the Earth's temperature a 1000 years from now. Indy 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, Indraman said: One key fact that simple alludes the so-called 'Global Warming' cult members: namely that all Climate Models do not consider the warming and cooling affects of the sun. In all models, they assume the Sun is a stable and non-changing element of the Earth's Climate System. How does this make any sense? The predictions that these so-called 'Climate Scientists' are making from their so-called 'Climate Models' are about as valid predicting the Earth's temperature a 1000 years from now. Indy these are the same "experts" that continue to claim the earth is flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarDavo Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, Indraman said: How does this make any sense? It makes no sense whatsoever......but, when "they" are confident in their understanding of the sun's defects it's gonna take one hellava tax burden to correct it. If this sounds impossible, AOC claims that scientist can safely perform the research at night when the sun isn't shining. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 and they (msm & the left) call Trump an idiot....AOC picture is used as a definition for the word 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Joe Biden when asked about AOC said....." I was tested and cleared by my doctors" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 if AOC is elected to higher office....it's the rest of us that have to worry about disease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, bigwave said: 1. Climate Has Always Changed—Always All proxy temperature data sets reveal that there have been cyclical changes in climate in the past 10,000 years. There is not a single climate scientist who denies this well-established fact. It doesn’t matter what your position on the causes and magnitude and danger (or not) of current climate change is—you have to be on board on this one. Climate has always changed. And it has changed in both directions, hot and cold. Until at least the 17th century, all these changes occurred when almost all humans were hunters, gatherers, and farmers. 2. Temperature Increase in the Past Was Not Caused by Humans Industrialization did not happen until the 17th century. Therefore, no prior changes in climate were driven by human emissions of carbon dioxide. In the last 2,000 years alone, global temperatures rose at least twice (around the 1st and 10th centuries) to levels very similar to today’s, and neither of those warm periods were caused by humans. 3. The Arctic and Antarctic Are Doing Better than Ever! Yes, you read that right. The 10,000-year Holocene paleoclimatology records reveal that both the Arctic and Antarctic are in some of their healthiest states. The only better period for the poles was the 17th century, during the Little Ice Age, when the ice mass levels were higher than today’s. For the larger part of the past 10,000 years, the ice mass levels were lower than today’s. Despite huge losses in recent decades, ice mass levels are at or near their historic highs. 4. Polar Bears and Other Species Are Not Dying But Flourishing! If you paid attention to the previous fact, then the following one is not hard to understand. Polar bears—often used as a symbol of climate doomsday—are one of the key species in the Arctic. Contrary to the hype surrounding their extinction fear, the population numbers have actually increased in the past two decades. Last year, the Canadian government considered increasing polar bear killing quotas as their increasing numbers posed a threat to the Inuit communities living in the Nunavut area. The increase in population size flies in the face of those who continue to claim otherwise in the popular news media. And it is not just the polar bears in the Arctic. Other critical species elsewhere, like tigers, are also making a comeback. 5. Carbon Dioxide Is Not a Temperature Control Knob While most of the current climatologists who collaborate with the United Nations believe anthropogenic CO2 emissions have exacerbated natural warming in recent decades, there is no empirical proof to support system" rel="">support their claim. The only way to test it would be to wait and see if their assumptions come true. The entire climate fraternity was in for a surprise when global temperature between 2000 and 2016 failed to rise as anticipated by the climate alarmists. The scientists assumed that rising CO2 emissions from human activity would result in a rapid rise in temperature, but they didn’t. This proved that atmospheric CO2 concentrations are not the primary factor controlling global temperature. Consideration of a much longer period (10,000 or more years) suggests that CO2 had no significant role to play in temperature increases. CO2 never was the temperature control knob. It would be naïve not to acknowledge this blatant and lopsided reporting in our news media. These are some of the many climate facts that the media refuses to acknowledge, like the impending solar minimum that NASA has predicted for the next two solar cycles between 2021 and 2041, ushering in a period of global cooling like it did during the solar minimum of 17th century. There are other facts that run contrary to popular belief, such that there has been no increase in the frequency or intensity of floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, droughts, or other extreme weather events. Even the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reported low confidence that global warming—manmade or not—was driving increases in extreme weather events. The list is endless. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-05/5-surprising-scientific-facts-about-earths-climate Dude, you are playing their pawn... Zero Hedge is hardly an authority on climate... More like they are invested in those things that need to change. Very simply, they have an agenda and it is based on greed. Zero Hedge or ZeroHedge is described as a "markets-focused" blog, that presents both in-house analysis, and analysis from investment banks, hedge funds, and other investment writers and analysts. Wikipedia B/A 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, caz1104 said: if AOC is elected to higher office....it's the rest of us that have to worry about disease You guys crack me up... You have fear of a nothing one time flash in the pan, but none for the leader of the world who is blowing it... B/A 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 So you support AOC......hmmm why does that not surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, bostonangler said: You guys crack me up... You have fear of a nothing one time flash in the pan, but none for the leader of the world who is blowing it... B/A "blowing it" where were you when Barry almost single handily made us the whipping boy of the world & his crowning jewel was the disaster OBUMBLERcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwave Posted September 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 42 minutes ago, bostonangler said: Dude, you are playing their pawn What about the graph? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Death, blackouts, melting asphalt: ways the climate crisis will change how we live From power cuts to infrastructure failure, the impact of climate change on US cities will be huge – but many are already innovating to adapt Pam Radtke Russell in New Orleans Tue 20 Aug 2019 06.00 BST https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/aug/20/death-blackouts-melting-asphalt-ways-the-climate-crisis-will-change-how-we-live 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 “This Is a Climate Emergency”: Devastated by Dorian, the Bahamas Are on Frontlines of a Dying Planet September 04, 2019 https://www.democracynow.org/2019/9/4/dorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indraman Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, umbertino said: Death, blackouts, melting asphalt: ways the climate crisis will change how we live From power cuts to infrastructure failure, the impact of climate change on US cities will be huge – but many are already innovating to adapt Pam Radtke Russell in New Orleans Tue 20 Aug 2019 06.00 BST https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/aug/20/death-blackouts-melting-asphalt-ways-the-climate-crisis-will-change-how-we-live @umbertino, you gotta quite reading The Guardian and take a break for awhile...their doom and gloom will make anyone want to commit suicide. Indy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Indraman said: @umbertino, you gotta quite reading The Guardian and take a break for awhile...their doom and gloom will make anyone want to commit suicide. Indy umbertino is convinced all that the guardian prints is gospel. Kin to those here in the states with the Enquirer Edited September 5, 2019 by caz1104 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Indraman said: @umbertino, you gotta quite reading The Guardian and take a break for awhile...their doom and gloom will make anyone want to commit suicide. Indy Thanks....But no thanks....Exactly the way I NEVER ask anybody to stop reading ( and posting) whatever they are posting , no matter if I like it or not...It's that simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 16 hours ago, caz1104 said: the disaster OBUMBLERcare. I don't know my wife and I have insurance including health, dental, and eye with no co-pays and a very low deductible for $500 per month. That's cheaper than when I used to buy insurance through an employer... I was paying $280 every two weeks with their plan. It's not a bad deal. B/A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 16 hours ago, caz1104 said: So you support system" rel="">support AOC......hmmm why does that not surprise me. No I don't support AOC... I keep wondering why people are obsessed with her. She is, I'll say it again, a flash in the pan. Unlike you I have free will to support or not support anyone in any party. All you can do is support one party and would probably wish our government was run by only one party... Like a sheep. B/A 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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