boomer113189 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) 9 - 6 - 2013 As followers of the Iraqi dinar know, there are a lot of “updates” out there on the various websites that either sell or track the troubled currency.Most of this “news” is much ado about nothing.Iraq is on the precipice of a civil war with some 5,000 victims this year alone. It doesn’t appear that the country’s woes — partially unleashed by the disastrous American-led war — will be resolved anytime soon.In the interim, untold millions have been spent on speculating in the country’s currency, which is not traded on any legitimate foreign exchange and is worth a fraction of a dollar.The currency is so unpopular that many Iraqis prefer the buck. But that hasn’t stopped a plethora of internet-based “dealers” from selling the dinar as fodder in a get-rich-quick scheme.The ruse is simple: Get dinar buyers to believe that the currency will be favorably revalued soon so they can sell their dinars at a huge profit.While that may happen, it’s highly unlikely given the current political and economic situation. No U.S. bank will handle the dinar while dealers reap huge commissions and mark-ups.Yet rumors continue to feed this market the way a stoker feeds a coal-fired boiler.The latest rumor is that the Wells Fargo WFC -0.93% bank is setting up some kind of mechanism to buy the currency. I heard the rumor last year and it’s since resurfaced. But the bank wants nothing to do with the currency. Here’s a statement they sent me when I inquired (an email directly from Kate Ellis in Wells Fargo corporate communications):“Wells Fargo does not currently buy or sell Iraqi dinar and has no plans to do so in the future. When we provide banknote services to customers, it is generally for travel related purposes and we do not foresee a high number of customers traveling to Iraq for business or leisure purposes in the near future.“What was the origin of this rumor? Whoever spread it was desperate to signal that a legitimate regulated entity was getting involved in the dinar trade, which, thus far, has been completely unregulated and beyond the reach of bank watchdogs.Keeping the Dinar Flame FlickeringIt’s clear that by ginning up news about the dinar, the myriad websites that are pushing dinars are trying to keep hopes up for the untold thousands who bought the currency.One of the ways the dealers keep the flame burning for the beleaguered currency is through “conference calls” where so-called “experts” report on developments on the revaluation front. When you google “dinar conference calls,” you get more than 60,000 hits. I get several alerts a day from sites claiming to have dinar “news.”One reader who contacted me (and asked to remain anonymous) looked into it further:“My friend’s brother gave him dinars, motivating us to start researching. We looked at the likelihood of a revaluation, then started looking at what is motivating them (the dinar site operators)…Many of them do not appear to be selling dinar on their sites. Plus, the only way they can make money on the difference is if there is a way to exchange. As you know, the only way to exchange is to fly over there (Iraq) with boxes of dinars, trade them for a box of U.S. dollars, and hope you make it back alive. Another way we thought they are making money is by pretending to sell the dinars. From what we can tell, everybody who has purchased dinars has received the currency. The only way we’ve been able to determine how money is being made is the free conference calls. I estimate the dealers are making at least $2,500 per day per conference call.”How do the dealers make money from conference calls? They may get a rebate on the cost of the call from telecommunications services. The longer they keep people on the line, the more money they make. Is this how the dinar dealers are profiting? I don’t know for sure, but it is a possible incentive for offering conference call services when there is no real news.Another reader told me he listened in to one of the dinar calls. Here’s what he heard:“The thing was I didn’t quite understand how these guys doing these conference calls are making money. One site had zero advertisements on the site to make any money; he didn’t seem to be pumping any particular Dinar Exchanger site and therefore it didn’t seem he is being paid by a Dinar Exchanger site (unless maybe he is being paid by all of them, which is possible I guess, but I think unlikely). But yet he was doing 3 or more conference calls/week where they average over 2 hours per call. That is a ton of work for nothing, so he has to be profiting somehow (he does have a donate button now, but that has only been there a week or so)…So I am speculating that they can see how many people are on the conference calls and when the callers started dropping off it means they are losing money coming in because everyone was dropping off (because they weren’t hearing the revaluation was happening.”Dinar-Like Dreams Can Be Nightmarish John Wasik John Wasik ContributorDinar Deception Driven By False Hopes John Wasik John Wasik ContributorI have no way of independently confirming any of this, but I’m aware of the sites that offer conference calls and updates because I see alerts on them several times a week. Let me know what you’re hearing.Meanwhile, dinars continue to be sold and the chicanery continues.Criminal IndictmentsLast September four men, principals of a firm called the “BH Group,” were indicted for their alleged involvement in a $24 million dinar-selling scheme and two non-existent hedge funds. According to the indictment:“The conspirators promoted the dinar and non-existent hedge funds through the dissemination of a series of material falsehoods conveyed primarily through weekly interstate conference calls and through the conspirators’ web site, according to the indictment. False claims included statements about the U.S. Treasury Department’s holdings of dinar and involvement in the Iraqi dinar investment market, according to the indictment.”In Toledo, a class action suit is also pending against these operators. Toledo attorney Tom Pigott, who represents some of the investors, told me in an email:“These were people (the defendants in the suit)…who did the weekly conference calls. Originally they sold (dinars) direct. Later they set up an arrangement where they had people go to a website and put in a `coupon’ code. The BH Group is associated with Bayshore Capital (Florida). Bayshore was run by Rudy Coenen. The BH Group was selling dinar and with Coenen offering prepaid ‘seats’ in a hedge fund that was going to invest in all types of Iraq projects after the revaluation.”Pigott, whose friend invested in dinars and bought them through a man Pigott calls “Fred,” has much more detail on his website:“The Iraqi Dinar scam has been around since the first Gulf War…We see the use of experts, selling to affinity groups, claiming scarcity, stating that you have to act now to become an insider…All a scam. `Fred’ uses economics to explain how the Dinar must be revalued so that the country of Iraq can sell its oil. Fred tells you how it once was trading at three times the value of the dollar instead of the pennies it now trades. Fred neglects to tell you that the `value’ of Dinar to the Dollar was not set by the market, but by a guy named Saddam Hussein who set the value simply by proclamation.In this case, this is known as a hard currency scam. Hard currency meaning physical dollars. Fred makes his money by selling you actual Iraqi Dinars at a huge mark up. Typically they are sold at somewhere like one million Dinars for $1,200. Try to trade your Dinars in at a reputable dealer and they will offer you approximately $650 for your million Dinars.The other method to gain trust and reputation that Fred uses is to say that his company is a `registered currency trader.’ The closest I can get to a registered currency trader is a registered money service business. If you want to become a registered money service business it’s pretty simple: Just complete a form and if you complete it correctly and send it to the IRS you can be one. No exam, no training. What this business relates to is similar to a business that accepts Western Union payments. It has nothing to do with trading currencies.”The BH Group claimed to be a dinar specialist. Its website now states that it has suspended its conference calls due to “pending alleged legal issues.” In the online statement, chairman Brad Huebner (also indicted in the above case) says:“This action has nothing to do with the legitimacy or sale of the dinar and you’ll be informed what appropriate actions to take once the Re-valuation occurs. I look forward to have a chance to defend myself, but until then thank you for your prayers and support.”Speaking of prayers, in the interim, pray that peace comes to Iraq (and to their Arab neighbors to the west), but don’t buy their currency.Buy some U.S. stocks with consistent dividends. They are a much better bet. http://goo.gl/qyLbK0 Edited September 6, 2013 by boomer113189 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinar Buddy Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 The incitements are going to shake out all the spam players making money on them building selling hopes to people that have no money... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer113189 Posted September 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinarbeleiver Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 It's a scam like my bum lol 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fib1618 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 It's a scam like my bum lol Have your banker friends given you a rate? I'm putting together a shopping list, wanna know what all I can buy. Thanks .................. I kinda hope they wait and rv when their M2 hits 100 TRILLION. A $3 rate on that bad boy would be magical. Go rv. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer113189 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 good read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellfish Posted September 9, 2013 Report Share Posted September 9, 2013 "fib","boomer I don't think many folks here care about M1 ,M2 and it's sad. I think the M2 was 23 Trillion when I bought mine with wild expectations. Hey even Sam had some back then. My unique and maybe foolish hope for a 3X-5X profit loses it's luster every time that M2 sails. Getting close to 80 now isn't it? Not turning back just living within my means with the help of your solid fact based info. Thanks,max out good DV folks ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer113189 Posted September 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) there m2 is about 90 Trillion yeah its climbing higher every month Edited September 10, 2013 by boomer113189 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigmeister Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 there m2 is about 90 Trillion yeah its climbing higher every month You ever consider changing your name to doomer113189? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fib1618 Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 You ever consider changing your name to doomer113189? Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer113189 Posted September 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 just giving out facts that i can back up that's all i do 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigmeister Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 just giving out facts that i can back up that's all i do You do stop for food don't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkerBee Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 just giving out facts that i can back up that's all i do Daydreaming is fine but I'd rather have facts than strung out in La La Land, no matter how painful it is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigmeister Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Daydreaming is fine but I'd rather have facts than strung out in La La Land, no matter how painful it is. You still here in La la land Worker Bee or you just dishing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkerBee Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 You still here in La la land Worker Bee or you just dishing? I'm still here, along with my dinar. Nothing wrong with having dreams and hopes, just like to stay grounded too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigmeister Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'm still here, along with my dinar. Nothing wrong with having dreams and hopes, just like to stay grounded too. Good to see you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer113189 Posted September 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 i always stop for food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigmeister Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 i always stop for food lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz1104 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) Nothing earthshattering offered, but hey if it makes one feel good to post the obvious........................................ - lol Edited September 11, 2013 by caz1104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymrat76541 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Here is my point-of-view: IF you believe that the Dinar is a scam/ruse? Why are you wasting your time on this site? I do not live in an apartment - thus I do not waste my time looking at them, or visiting their sites. I do not enjoy auto racing - thus I do not waste my time watching it nor going to their sites. I do not like cooking - thus I do not go to cooking sites. My point is - why are you here? Is your life so incomplete that you have to come into a dinar site and attempt to rain on our sunny day? Are you so insecure that you need to try and force your beliefs on someone who believes otherwise? Do you take some preverse pleasure in attempting to pop our balloon? It is like believing in ghosts, UFOs, playing the lottery or buying stock in a small company that no one else thinks will make it. If you have the money, time & patience that long shot just might one day come true. My advise to you is get a life! Try looking at things in a positive note. You glass should always be 1/2 full and never 1/2 empty. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer113189 Posted September 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 i am here just posting articles. also i am here providing links to what the truth about what deletion of the zeros means. everything i can back up with link, documents. i do have 1 25k dinar note. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Daydreaming is fine but I'd rather have facts than strung out in La La Land, no matter how painful it is. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkerBee Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Agreed. Agree with me in Italian, it would be less painful, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easy Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) Here is my point-of-view: IF you believe that the Dinar is a scam/ruse? Why are you wasting your time on this site? bump I do not live in an apartment - thus I do not waste my time looking at them, or visiting their sites. I do not enjoy auto racing - thus I do not waste my time watching it nor going to their sites. I do not like cooking - thus I do not go to cooking sites. My point is - why are you here? Is your life so incomplete that you have to come into a dinar site and attempt to rain on our sunny day? Are you so insecure that you need to try and force your beliefs on someone who believes otherwise? Do you take some preverse pleasure in attempting to pop our balloon? It is like believing in ghosts, UFOs, playing the lottery or buying stock in a small company that no one else thinks will make it. If you have the money, time & patience that long shot just might one day come true. My advise to you is get a life! Try looking at things in a positive note. You glass should always be 1/2 full and never 1/2 empty. Edited September 12, 2013 by easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigmeister Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 i am here just posting articles. also i am here providing links to what the truth about what deletion of the zeros means. everything i can back up with link, documents. i do have 1 25k dinar note. Your hanging on to that then? A teeny bit of hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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