Citizen suffers from persistent volatility .. Economists: the CENTRAL BANK SET a NEW PRICE of the DINAR against the dollar to MAINTAIN its STRENGTH!

[Alex38]

We will call you if it RV's while at the beach.  No worries.

THANKS. (from Sandfly)

[Maggie123]

 

I'm going to the beach. 

 

Over and out... Roger copy.

 

 

Me Too! Even If It's Only In My Imagination.

 

Beach... Here I Come!

 

   

[dontlop]

C.I.A. Letter to the Senate on Baghdad's Intentions

On October 7, 2002, the Director of the CIA George Tenet (appointed by President Bill Clinton July 11, 1997) wrote a letter to Senator Bob Graham about decisions to declassify material related to Iraq. In this letter George Tenet said, "We have solid reporting of senior level contact between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade. Credible information exists that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal nonaggression. . . . We have credible reporting that al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities."

 

 

 

 

October 7, 2002

In response to your letter of 4 October 2002, we have made unclassified material available to further the Senate's forthcoming open debate on a Joint Resolution concerning Iraq. As always, our declassification efforts seek a balance between your need for unfettered debate and our need to protect sources and methods. We have also been mindful of a shared interest in not providing to Saddam a blueprint of our intelligence capabilities and shortcomings, or with insight into our expectation of how he will and will not act. The salience of such concerns is only heightened by the possibility of hostilities between the U.S. and Iraq.

These are some of the reasons why we did not include our classified judgments on Saddam's decision-making regarding the use of weapons of mass destruction (W.M.D.) in our recent unclassified paper on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction. Viewing your request with those concerns in mind, however, we can declassify the following from the paragraphs you requested:

Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or C.B.W. chemical and biological weapons against the United States.

Should Saddam conclude that a U.S.-led attack could no longer be deterred, he probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist actions. Such terrorism might involve conventional means, as with Iraq's unsuccessful attempt at a terrorist offensive in 1991, or C.B.W.

Saddam might decide that the extreme step of assisting Islamist terrorists in conducting a W.M.D. attack against the United States would be his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him.

Regarding the 2 October closed hearing, we can declassify the following dialogue:

Senator Levin Carl Levin, Democrat of Michigan : . . . If (Saddam) didn't feel threatened, did not feel threatened, is it likely that he would initiate an attack using a weapon of mass destruction?

Senior Intelligence Witness: . . . My judgment would be that the probability of him initiating an attack -- let me put a time frame on it -- in the foreseeable future, given the conditions we understand now, the likelihood I think would be low.

Senator Levin: Now if he did initiate an attack you've . . . indicated he would probably attempt clandestine attacks against us . . . But what about his use of weapons of mass destruction? If we initiate an attack and he thought he was in extremis or otherwise, what's the likelihood in response to our attack that he would use chemical or biological weapons?

Senior Intelligence Witness: Pretty high, in my view.

In the above dialogue, the witness's qualifications -- "in the foreseeable future, given the conditions we understand now" -- were intended to underscore that the likelihood of Saddam using W.M.D. for blackmail, deterrence, or otherwise grows as his arsenal builds. Moreover, if Saddam used W.M.D., it would disprove his repeated denials that he has such weapons.

Regarding Senator Bayh's Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana question of Iraqi links to al-Qa'ida. Senators could draw from the following points for unclassified discussions:

Our understanding of the relationship between Iraq and al-Qa'ida is evolving and is based on sources of varying reliability. Some of the information we have received comes from detainees, including some of high rank.

We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa'ida going back a decade.

Credible information indicates that Iraq and al-Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal nonaggression.

Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad.

We have credible reporting that al-Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire W.M.D. capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al-Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.

Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al-Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent U.S. military action.

 

 

[stealthwarrior]

Are you saying that Iraq cannot do this because it's illegal?I think that a country can do whatever it wants to with it,s currency as long as it does'nt violate international banking laws.maybe i'm wrong but i don't think that it is illegal.

[dontlop]

I AGREE  all iraq is responsible for is external debts ..they can use feathers  if they choose .. there is no law that prevents countrys from doing as they please monitarily within its borders .. if iraq backs its currency with  goods ans services . the only thing people will be expecting in return from iraq for its dinars is goods and services ..now that they got them spread around the globe at our expense .. its up to us to figure out how to get our money back .. maybe we can go online and buy iraqi gold jewlery .. or  tons of sulfer ..and have it delivered to our buyers ..

iraqi figs are some of the best in the world .. maybe i can  interest fig newton in some iraqi figs ..

do some international trading ..

citi group may be able to help with those dinar cash transactions

iraq is very proud of their figs .. we had them avaliable free all the time  at the defac in tikrit .. i did eat some and they are good .. a light golden color

Edited July 12, 2013 by dontlop

[dontlop]

Bernard L. Herman
On Figs
Sweetness in the common landscape

"Like Jeremiah's figs, The good, are very good, indeed—The bad, too bad for pigs."

Confusion embarrasses the fig. In Genesis the fig feeds Adam and Eve in their innocence and clothes them with its leaves in the awakening of their self-knowledge—the first recorded instance of "too little, too late." Commentaries aligning the new United States with an Edenic state defined by plenty and tranquility cited 1 Kings 4:25: "And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon." Nineteenth-century African-Americans regularly drew on the same passage as the rhetorical measure of freedom and equality, often in contexts of new church building from Louisiana to Liberia: "I can say for the first time since our existence as a church that we assembled in our own church and held quarterly conference; and partook of the Lord's Supper on the Sabbath, under our own [vine and] fig tree." Christ in the Gospel of Mark curses the fig into barrenness, a signal action given the fecundity of the fig in the time and region. Gustav Eisen, the nineteenth-century authority on figs, traces its origins to Arabia and the earliest perfection of its cultivation to the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates in present day Iraq. The fig entered the Mediterranean world with the ancient Greeks and over the millennia found its place as commodity, staple, and luxury around the world.

[rockfl9]

the only problem is i dont know anything at all .. i put out things  like zigmaister says , things to ponder .. hoping it will lead others in a direction of reasearh to see what they can find .. many have found things contrary towht i put out there .. so .. who knows .. i wish i did ..i wish i had a contact like the wild gurus have ,, .,. we have gurus .....then we have what i call wild gurus  with contacts inside  with dates and rates on the cards  stuff  and tiers  and cashing out  in secret

Agreed.

But some people try to believe you know what you are talking about!  Only adds to the confusion... I would suggest a "Dontlop Tank" for you for your sandbox.

[dontlop]

Agreed.

But some people try to believe you know what you are talking about!  Only adds to the confusion... I would suggest a "Dontlop Tank" for you for your sandbox.

thanks ..i especially hope you show up with your ..>>> iraq never had a trade surplus  statements . that always adds to the excitement ..

[unirod]

dontlop,

  I have followed the discussion with maggie123 and I am impressed with your ability to post ref articles. Your articles do indeed establish that the United States of America breaths Life into the United Nations. The USA provides intellegence as well as the funding to back up the UN descisions. BTW just what Nation on earth contributes the most in combined funding and support in USD to the UN ? We all know UN descisions are completely independant of the USA because they are an International Body of 170+ Nations right? I have always wondered why the UN building was located in NY USA and not Hong Kong, London, Sydney, Katmandoo, or ?

 

  You have body slammed Maggie123 pretty hard today but she went to the beach so I guess she's ok.

 

  Politicians can be influenced with favors or $$ for votes, so how much would it take for an international organization like the UN? Is this a far fetched question? is buying UN descisions an impossibility?   

[dontlop]

dontlop,

  I have followed the discussion with maggie123 and I am impressed with your ability to post ref articles. Your articles do indeed establish that the United States of America breaths Life into the United Nations. The USA provides intellegence as well as the funding to back up the UN descisions. BTW just what Nation on earth contributes the most in combined funding and support in USD to the UN ? We all know UN descisions are completely independant of the USA because they are an International Body of 170+ Nations right? I have always wondered why the UN building was located in NY USA and not Hong Kong, London, Sydney, Katmandoo, or ?

 

  You have body slammed Maggie123 pretty hard today but she went to the beach so I guess she's ok.

 

  Politicians can be influenced with favors or $$ for votes, so how much would it take for an international organization like the UN? Is this a far fetched question? is buying UN descisions an impossibility?   

no your right .. we are way outnumbered inthe un . but it is set up in a way that the big countrys have alot of control .. russia and china are our hrad spots .. on the security council ..sometimnes germany and france .. not so much germany it depends on whos running germany at the time .. .

i wouldnt worry about magie shes alot tougher than you might think .. we have gone at it round and round over iraq .. .. she missed a few things  and i do point them out .. . this thing with iraq has been going on since the 80s ..  the only reason we supported saddam  was he was fighting against iran .. i dont think we liked either one of them at the time but we liked iraq better than iran .. saudi arabia ,, uae ... kuwait .. jordan ..  we had quite a few who wanted saddams regime stopped from spreading .. and the first time he made his move the saudis said come on over your welcome we need you to stop saddam .. it wasnt just the us decisions .. he was   threat  to the region .. so was iran ..we helped them  drag that out as long as we could ..soon as he pulled out of iran he headed to kuwait ..he claimed they were slant drilling into iraq .. so he took over the country .

 ..but for the most part we are nobody in the un .. theres like a hundred 30 countrys that we have to deal  with that are not close allies ..

 

maggie and i have fought this out .. its something ive followed for 25 years .. so i remember things she doesnt ,, she  only has what shes lived through and what she can look up . but when someone says something that i know differently  because i lived through it .. ill try to show what happened , because i know what to look for when i hit the google button ..

 

why its in new york is most likely so we can keep an eye on everyone ..in ways we shouldnt even be discussing .. im sure its to our advantage to bring them all to our country . its amazing what a call girl ..  can get out off some guy whos been slipped a mickey .hey a little bit of wine .. a little persuasion . who knows who says what ,, and when they got them  then the blackmale starts .. some of those guys returning home  after they have been exposed wont be a pretty homecoming ..

 

 ya we pay a few extra dolars for that .. its surrounded by our forces who provide them protection ..

 

anything is possible .. at what point do to you have to take a patriotic stand and stand with your country is what it comes down to .no matter what ..

 

what do you think will hapen to the latest guy who left america to tell  russia and china that we are spying .. as if they dont spy ..

 

do you think venezuala will trust him .. he may end up dead and burried over there .. im sure they will think if he does this to his country what wil he do here ... so whos he going to get married to in venezuala .. and what kind of job will he get ..  ditch digging .. those jobs are taken ,,, is he going to help them spy on us now ?  what kind of education does he have ..what his expierence ..

 

who knows what our govt is doing .. do i trust them all ..? nope .. thats why a two party system works ..they  cant wait to  expose any  corruption of the other side ..

 

 

 who knows .. thats my answer ..

i been following this crap LIVE  since iran took hostages in 1979

[unirod]

dontlop,

Nice comments today with alot of points to ponder over. As you can see I like to ask alot of questions when I see someone on the forum who has a good grasp of history and current events. keep up the research because this helps all of us ask the right questions and stay aware

[waterman13]

Me too dontlop. I was in the middle of the Indian Ocean on a ship with basically no weapons when the US tried (and failed) in the hostage rescue mission.

WM13

[abby01]

well  i did like the article about backing the dinar with gold and oil instead of the dollar

 

and i did like the article that said they have 2 and a half times the reserves necessary to back the dinar  in circulation ..or at a rate of 466.4 dinars to a dolar ..

but i read articles about investing the reserves too.. what does that mean ..its not specific enough .. does it mean they will invest the extra reserves and only maintain enough reserves to back the dinar in circulation ..?

 

 who knows .. they leave ya hangin on every article then go off on another tangent about something else ..

 

so im still in a speculative mode with no solid  information to back anything .. except the fact that they are maintaining a trade surplus  which is good .. more value to the national account .

you are so misinformed .. the united nations put the sanctions on iraq not the us ..

 

and there was more like 600 thousand children that died because the oil for food money   that saddam intercepted caused those deaths .. saddam caused them not us .. and if we didnt invade those numbers of childrens deaths could be in the millions by now .. straved to death by saddam hussien ..

dont forget kuwait .. arent they the real reason saddam was put on sanctions

not the united states

you think maliki wants saddam back .. they hung  the guy

 Thank you!  I agree.  American Men and Women and their Families paid a HUGE price to get rid of a horrible dictator for Iraq. Did the US have other benefits they hoped for in the end...more than likely.  But they still did a great thing and did it well!!!

[HughJeffin Byrd]

 Thank you!  I agree.  American Men and Women and their Families paid a HUGE price to get rid of a horrible dictator for Iraq. Did the US have other benefits they hoped for in the end...more than likely.  But they still did a great thing and did it well!!!

Ummm disposing of a horrible dictator puppet that we put into power while killing millions of innocent people is nothing to brag about, Sadam and Daddy bush were the bestest of friends, until a business deal went sour and Sadam invaded kuwait... that's the problem with the puppets we put into power, sometimes they go rogue, and we must "liberate the people from a horrible dictator"

[Maggie123]

Ummm disposing of a horrible dictator puppet that we put into power while killing millions of innocent people is nothing to brag about, Sadam and Daddy bush were the bestest of friends, until a business deal went sour and Sadam invaded kuwait... that's the problem with the puppets we put into power, sometimes they go rogue, and we must "liberate the people from a horrible dictator"

 

 

Thanks Hugh, I Agree with you completely.

 

Dontlop seems to think I am just a youngster, hahaha... I was all grown up during the Iraq war and all the 911 lies.

 

I was very aware of what was going on at the time and have learned a lot more about what was in the background since.

 

Sometimes it's just useless to argue with someone who is hanging on to the lies.

 

Most people know the truth by now and hopefully we won't repeat the same mistakes.

 

I really am glad I bought my dinar because the awareness and education I have gained from this site alone has been worth every penny.