A Vote For Mitt Romney is a Vote For Barack Obama

[TPSprayduster]

Thanks TP I gave you a + too but I see someone - you again . I think their getting a little childish now.

LOL, that's the norm dude and probably why the GOP won't win this year because of childish antics.

It wasn't me, I'm all out of - for the day.

If you need help beating Obama with Mitt Romney, don't look to Ron Paul supporters. Many of us only joined the GOP because of Ron Paul and we intend to nominate him at the RNC. If that doesn't work out, you guys are on your own, and don't say we didn't warn you. If you really wanted Obama out, you would support Paul, but if you prefer a Republicrat, then Obama or Romney will suit you just fine.

Thoughts like this is why the GOP will fail 40. Sounds like the Tea Party their way or the highway.

[Lutie]

Haha, I'll admit, im the same with the Cubs.

You're absolutely right, sadly. The average person doesn't base there vote on an informed decision, but rather on who's popular, looks best, etc. I actually had an otherwise intelligent friend come email me on the day of the Florida caucus to ask me why he should vote for Ron Paul. He started the email with, "I don't know anything about any of the candidates, but I'm voting for Newt Ginrich this afternoon. Why should I vote for Ron Paul."

It's utterly terrifies me the shear ignorance of so many people when it comes to their government. What scares me even more is there refusal to even look into a something (bill, law, etc.) that litteraly takes away their freedoms, the money, land, etc. They're quick to label you crazy, but slow to look into anything an inform themselves.

I think it says a lot about RP supporters when you say those who don't agree with you are ignorant and uninformed Maybe if that's the mind set of Paul followers it tells you why RP is not our first choice.

[cris]

92 election

Clinton 43%..............Bush 37.5%...............Ross Perot 18.9%

Thats why people should'nt vote for Ron Paul......easy numbers to understand.

Almost all of those votes for Perot would have gone to Bush

[bamf1414]

Even if Romney is the same as Obama, which he isn't, he would never be allowed to get away with the crap that O does, so in my opinion that makes him a lot better. He is a very tough business man and knows what it takes for a business to be successful, I like Ron Paul myself, but at this point I will vote for anyone other than O. This will stop the 2nd wave of taxes that will come if O gets reelected. If the next person sucks, they he will be out just as fast, but at least with Romney, it won't be racist if we don't vote for him. If you don't vote for Romney because you are a Ron Paul fan, your crazy.

[rightsonword]

I think it says a lot about RP supporters when you say those who don't agree with you are ignorant and uninformed Maybe if that's the mind set of Paul followers it tells you why RP is not our first choice.

I never said you were uninformed. I said that the majority of people are uninformed. This can include an RP supporter if they don't look into the issues for themselves. It includes Democrats, Republicans, Communists, everyone who doesn't do their own research before voting, but instead vote for a person based on the R or D that comes before their name.

However, you are committing a fallacy by viewing what I said and attributing it to all Ron Paul supporters. I do no speak for everyone, so why are you judging an entire movement by what one person says?

Also, why would you not vote for someone simply because you don't like what their supporters say or think? You vote for a person based on what they believe, not on what their supporters think or do . . .

[DinarWhiz]

BoooYA!!!!!!!

[40oz]

BoooYA!!!!!!!

+Rep

[Scrumdiddles]

92 election

Clinton 43%..............Bush 37.5%...............Ross Perot 18.9%

Thats why people should'nt vote for Ron Paul......easy numbers to understand.

Almost all of those votes for Perot would have gone to Bush

How about this, You should not vote for Mitt Romney because he will take the vote away from Ron Paul and give it to Obama. Same difference. Your argument is not sound, sorry.

[cris]

How about this, You should not vote for Mitt Romney because he will take the vote away from Ron Paul and give it to Obama. Same difference. Your argument is not sound, sorry.

If Ron gets the Republican Nomination, I will vote for him

[DiveDeepSix]

If Ron gets the Republican Nomination, I will vote for him

Agreed absolutely! But it's over, if RP doesn't bow out and help unite the GOP he will do nothing but give the election to Obama. If his true goal is to help America and all you faithful RP followers really live by what he says and he wants to help our country that is what he will do. Is Mitt a great candidate, well he's not my favorite that's for sure, but if, let me rephrase that, when he takes the GOP nomination he will get my vote. If RP doesn't bow out then I was wrong for viewing his ideas with an open mind and he is doing this purely for his own agenda, because it will get us another 4 years of the anti-Christ! Anything would be better then Obama until we can get a true leader voted in to right the ship, I will vote for who ever goes up against O!

[Scrumdiddles]

One more chance for a banker candidate, how many chances are you going to give them? We are already in deep sh*t right now in the US. You already know Goldman Sac gave the most money to Romney. You already know that the People of the US and US Military gave the most money to Ron Paul. You already know Ron Paul is the Constitutional Candidate. You already know Mitt Romney is a lier and a flip flopper. You already know Ron Paul will get our country back on track. You already know Mitt Romney will attend the Bilderburg meeting in Virginia in May, watch and see. You already know Ron Paul is for YOU and not for the banks. What the hell will it take to wake you people up. The complete collapse of the US will wake your a** up, then it will be to late. Then you can waller in your self pity while you try to find food, water, and ammo. Waaahhh, i should have voted for Ron Paul. The collapse is coming whether it is Obama bringing it or Romney bringing it. Your only chance is Ron Paul to cushion the landing. This election is really do or die for the US. When you wake your sleeping a** up to see this, you will vote right. This election is about good or evil.

[40oz]

If Ron gets the Republican Nomination, I will vote for him

Agreed absolutely! But it's over

cris = Arizona

dds = Minnesota

May I ask who you guys voted for in your state's primary?

[DiveDeepSix]

cris = Arizona

dds = Minnesota

May I ask who you guys voted for in your state's primary?

Newt, after him would have been Santorum. Now Santorum is gone and supporting Mitt and I would assume Newt will do the same. Hopefully RP will too. The GOP has to be united to stand a chance against the liberal media machine and the entitlement society. People will not vote to take their entitlements away we may be screwed one way or another, but I will vote for whoever the GOP puts up in this race, if it would have been RP, he would certainly have had my vote and I would have expected the other candidates to back him up to unite the party and do what's right for our great country sitting on the brink of disaster!

[cris]

cris = Arizona

dds = Minnesota

May I ask who you guys voted for in your state's primary?

Santorum....but only because it looked like Newt didnt stand a chance

One more chance for a banker candidate, how many chances are you going to give them? We are already in deep sh*t right now in the US. You already know Goldman Sac gave the most money to Romney. You already know that the People of the US and US Military gave the most money to Ron Paul. You already know Ron Paul is the Constitutional Candidate. You already know Mitt Romney is a lier and a flip flopper. You already know Ron Paul will get our country back on track. You already know Mitt Romney will attend the Bilderburg meeting in Virginia in May, watch and see. You already know Ron Paul is for YOU and not for the banks. What the hell will it take to wake you people up. The complete collapse of the US will wake your a** up, then it will be to late. Then you can waller in your self pity while you try to find food, water, and ammo. Waaahhh, i should have voted for Ron Paul. The collapse is coming whether it is Obama bringing it or Romney bringing it. Your only chance is Ron Paul to cushion the landing. This election is really do or die for the US. When you wake your sleeping a** up to see this, you will vote right. This election is about good or evil.

Already there......BTW.....Did you know that the Tea Party is concentrating on candidates

for the Senate (we will control that) and the House (we will continue to control that) So be

of good cheer.....O'blah is leaving & the future is looking rosey

[40oz]

Newt, after him would have been Santorum. Now Santorum is gone and supporting Mitt and I would assume Newt will do the same.

Santorum....but only because it looked like Newt didnt stand a chance

Was it Ron Paul's message that made you both "anyone but Paul" voters or was it the media's message that "Paul can't win"?

[cris]

Was it Ron Paul's message that made you both "anyone but Paul" voters or was it the media's message that "Paul can't win"?

It was the fact that Ron wasnt even close in the running

My choice was for the most conservative of the 2 at the top

I'd like to see the primary elections held in one day,

but that seems unlikely to happen

Having the vote on one day would show a truer representation

of the nations opinion on candidates IMO

[AZ Native]

My VOTE goes to whoever runs against Obama.

Whoever gets the nominee, and not any who will split the vote.

It's a critical time in our history and I would hate to take a chance and vote for someone who will split the ticket and have Obama win.

Ron Paul might be the better choice but he won't get enough votes to win so well have another 4 years of what we have now except we won't have much freedom when he's done.

Were already at a point where the US will never pay off its debt, our children will only read about what America was if they don't rewrite those history books too, which if you are older than 50 you won't find any of the

American pioneers in the history books you read as a child in grade school.

[DiveDeepSix]

My VOTE goes to whoever runs against Obama.

Whoever gets the nominee, and not any who will split the vote.

It's a critical time in our history and I would hate to take a chance and vote for someone who will split the ticket and have Obama win.

Ron Paul might be the better choice but he won't get enough votes to win so well have another 4 years of what we have now except we won't have much freedom when he's done.

Were already at a point where the US will never pay off its debt, our children will only read about what America was if they don't rewrite those history books too, which if you are older than 50 you won't find any of the

American pioneers in the history books you read as a child in grade school.

DITTO!

It was the fact that Ron wasnt even close in the running

My choice was for the most conservative of the 2 at the top

I'd like to see the primary elections held in one day,

but that seems unlikely to happen

Having the vote on one day would show a truer representation

of the nations opinion on candidates IMO

Same here!

[40oz]

So you all admit openly that your vote has nothing to do with your morals and beliefs. Do you see a problem here?

[Caye98]

The way I see it Romney and the GOP has a big problem Ron Paul supporters don't Flip Flop.

There is no way I can vote for Capt. Flip Flop I will write in Ron Paul

So the way I see it The rest of the GOP need to get on board or lose to Obama

Its called doing the right thing not settling for the lessor of two evils

That will be voting for the Republican nominee.

Thank you for all of your responses. To the Romney supporters, can you tell me what Obama does, that you hate so bad, that Romney won't do?

How about Romney WILL repeal Obamacare; Remove czars; Reduce government size; Cut unnecessary programs; Extend Bush tax cuts; Hopefully overhaul and reduce taxes, government regulations and Social Security; Actually support Israel (I know RP hates this); Stop giving preferential treatment to Muslim Brotherhood and Palestinians; NO Van Jones, Bill Ayers, SEIU, etc.; Restore International respect for the USA; ACTUALLY CREATE private sector jobs! (just for starters)

I agree the President needs some off-time, but O is setting records with his entourages and excesses...LESS golf, NO long vacations at taxpayer expenses, wife's shopping trips, Taj Mahal, Paris, Hawai'i, Hawai'i, Hawai'i, Martha's Vineyard, Kid's International Spring Break's (wait until there are 2 teenage girls). Imagine what THIS summer vacation will be, and Christmas vacation after he loses on November!

92 election

Clinton 43%..............Bush 37.5%...............Ross Perot 18.9%

Thats why people should'nt vote for Ron Paul......easy numbers to understand.

Almost all of those votes for Perot would have gone to Bush

How about this, You should not vote for Mitt Romney because he will take the vote away from Ron Paul and give it to Obama. Same difference. Your argument is not sound, sorry.

No, its not. Bush clearly had 2x the votes as Perot, and within 20% of Clinton. In the case of RP Romney currently has over 10x the delegate vote. http://elections.nyt...aries/delegates Romney needs 300 of the 965 remaining delegates, and if RP gets ALL of them he is 100 short. Sure there are 397 delegates between Santorum & Gingrich, and if they ALL go to RP (unlikely) he will have 476 (slightly less than 1/2 of Romney).

If Ron gets the Republican Nomination, I will vote for him

I agree!

Agreed absolutely! But it's over, if RP doesn't bow out and help unite the GOP he will do nothing but give the election to Obama. If his true goal is to help America and all you faithful RP followers really live by what he says and he wants to help our country that is what he will do. Is Mitt a great candidate, well he's not my favorite that's for sure, but if, let me rephrase that, when he takes the GOP nomination he will get my vote. If RP doesn't bow out then I was wrong for viewing his ideas with an open mind and he is doing this purely for his own agenda, because it will get us another 4 years of the anti-Christ! Anything would be better then Obama until we can get a true leader voted in to right the ship, I will vote for who ever goes up against O!

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!!

[cris]

So you all admit openly that your vote has nothing to do with your morals and beliefs. Do you see a problem here?

Its my Moral Responsibility to make sure O'blah is no longer in office

[40oz]

I'm sure you guys probably won't read all of this, but you should...

Now that the Republican Party and the media have decided, in quite Orwellian fashion, that Mitt Romney has won the nomination (even though he hasn’t); the party has ramped up its campaign to unite behind the Republican candidate. Regardless of those “minor differences” supporters of other candidates may have had, nothing is more important than defeating Barack Obama in November. There is only one question that no one is asking. Why?

The first answer provided by many Republicans is “Obama is a socialist.”

I don’t read minds, so I can’t speculate as to what President Obama thinks. He may silently recite Saul Alinsky while he signs executive orders. He may be wearing Karl Marx Underoos when he reads from his teleprompter. I don’t know (and don’t want to know). We can only judge him on what he’s done. So far, he hasn’t done anything substantively more socialist than George W. Bush.

Strictly speaking, socialism is defined as the state owning the means of production. Obama has neither signed nor proposed any legislation that put the means of production in the hands of the state (What about General Motors? Forget it, he’s rolling).

Now, if you widen the definition of “socialism” to include what is otherwise called “social democracy,” then you can certainly make a case. Social democracy leaves the means of production in private hands, but regulates it so tightly that it both puts practical control of production in the hands of the state and protects favored corporations from competition. It also redistributes wealth through various social programs for the poor, elderly or other groups it deems “economically disadvantaged.”

When this domestic policy is combined with an aggressive homeland security establishment, immoderate nationalism and glorification of militarism, it is called national socialism or fascism.

These trends all accelerated during the Bush and Obama administrations. There is nothing in Romney’s rhetoric or in his substantive positions that suggests he will reverse a single one of them.

Of course, there is Obamacare. Anyone who attended Tea Party rallies in 2010 can attest to how heavily the case for Obama’s socialism rests upon this program. However, Obamacare is virtually identical to the Massachusetts healthcare program that Romney signed into law and still defends. His only objection to Obamacare is that it unilaterally forces itself upon every state. He makes no argument that the individual has a natural right not to be forced to participate.

Is this the substantive difference between a socialist and a capitalist?

One cannot even make the case for Romney based upon spending. Yes, he says that he is going to “cut spending” as all of his Republican predecessors have done before increasing it by large orders of magnitude. Let’s not forget that it was George W. Bush that took the federal budget from $1.8 trillion to $3 trillion. In percentage terms, Obama has increased it much less.

Romney’s rhetoric notwithstanding, the spending cuts he proposes on his website indicate he’s only proposing minor decreases to future increases in the federal budget. In a budget of three thousand eight hundred billion dollars, why would his campaign waste the space necessary to propose cutting $600 million – that’s 6/10 of one billion – from the National Endowment of the Arts? 1/10 of one billion from Foreign Aid?

When you add up the actual federal budget line items that Romney will cut, they come to $37 billion. That’s virtually a rounding error in the proposed 2013 budget, which already represents an increase in what the government is spending now. In other words, he proposes cutting less than 1% out of a budget that is 50% in the red. When confronted with this, his supporters often reply with bizarre retorts like “you have to start somewhere,” demonstrating a complete loss of touch with reality.

Yes, Romney’s campaign lists other supposed “savings” that will be realized by “reducing waste and fraud” (something Obama also proposes), block granting Medicare and Medicaid and “aligning federal compensation with the private sector.” These are all savings that rely on large assumptions and don’t require Romney to commit to actually removing anything from the budget. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, they add up to about $220 billion.

Oh yes, he will try to get Obamacare repealed ($95 billion), presumably so the state governments can waste that money instead.

No reasonable person can make a fact-based argument that Barack Obama is any more socialist a president than George W. Bush was or Mitt Romney will be. They all have identical ideas about the role of government.

One candidate differs from them and the media has admitted that he just won Iowa and Minnesota. He’s

several more states. It’s not too late to get behind him. Where Romney is identical to Obama in proposing to “consolidate federal agencies,” which allows the federal government to continue the same activities, Ron Paul proposes to eliminate five agencies and replace them with nothing. He’d cut $1 trillion the first year.

My colleague writes that the Republican primaries are over and that it is imperative that Republicans unite behind Mitt Romney so that he can defeat Barack Obama in November.

Why? What’s the difference?

[Scrumdiddles]

40 they are coming around however they are not ready for the whole truth. The layers are so deep one can not take it all in one bite. Layer by layer we are breaking down the controlled manipulation they have in their minds.

[cris]

That last statement deserves an answer......there are so many

falsehoods and outright lies.....but you've worn me down 40 oz

voting for Ron Paul is my only alternative

[DiveDeepSix]

So you all admit openly that your vote has nothing to do with your morals and beliefs. Do you see a problem here?

That's where you are misinterpreting what I said brother. My vote has everything to do with my morals and beliefs. I voted for Newt because he understands the Constitution and he knows how government works, unlike our current POTUS. I liked Santorum because I agree with pretty much all of what he believes, I dislike Mitt mostly because of the things Santorum disagrees with about him. Santorum however is going to back Mitt and so will I. Paul has a lot of great ideas, the one that pushes me away from him more then any other is his stance on Israel and Iran. If, check that, when Iran gets a nuke they will use it on Israel and then all hell is going to break loose, you can count on it. Obama doesn't like Israel and said openly he would support the muslims so I would be surprised to see him jump in against his brothers. This scares me even more. Paul seems like a great guy and has some great ideas, but having a foreign policy of sticking your head in the sand and pretending like our enemies don't exist is not going to cut it for me or my children. I don't like war but when it comes to protecting my own, and yours, we need a president who has a set. This is my last post on the RP debate because obviously Scrum and yourself are dead set on voting for him one way or another. I will vote for who ever is nominated as the GOP candidate, which stands for almost everything I believe in. The two of you are obviously passionate about your cause and I respect that, like the old song, "Got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything, but I'm a realist, Mitt will get my vote and anyone who doesn't stand behind him is helping the enemy. You remember Obama calling the GOP the enemy right? Well my friend the battle cry has sounded it's time to stand, unite, and fight for what made this country great! I wish you the best in your pursuit of your beliefs and hope you, and RP do the right thing and help us rid this country of the dictator currently in power.