I'm just going to leave this article right here.

[lizlemon78]

I just did a google search, and it still appears that he hasn't been properly vetted. McCain vetted Palin, but no one on the Republican side vetted Obama. Again, please show me the link, the government report. etc.

Which one is that?

"Woe to the woman that sew

pillows ... Behold, I am against your pillows." 13:18-21

that makes sense to you?

The very first thing is a contradiction. Light and dark, day and night. But the sun and stars aren't created until after that.

and again, I'm not saying the Bible can't be trusted or read, or isn't a worthy guide or basis of religion.

I'm just saying, it's kinda sketchy in a lot of parts when placed under scrutiny far less than what most people put up against Obama's origins.

Edited May 27, 2011 by lizlemon78

[kiteman]

I just did a google search, and it still appears that he hasn't been properly vetted. McCain vetted Palin, but no one on the Republican side vetted Obama. Again, please show me the link, the government report. etc.

Which one is that?

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Well if the McCain campaign didn't do their homework, the RNC didn't do the homework, American Crossroads didn't do the home work; and none of these Republican party leaders thought to use the power that a former Chairman of the FEC to check the guy out; I'm damn glad he's our President!

Because if all this is true, Republicans are not worthy of leading or giving input on any of the important issues facing our country.

But like the article Liz posted earlier, there is nothing we can do to confince you otherwise. SCARY!

[nowhammies]

Hell yes. If we're not launching robotic probes to Gleise 51b or whatever from our US moon base by the time I'm 55, we're doing something wrong.

Except your man gutted the space program!

[lizlemon78]

Except your man gutted the space program!

Who says the US government has to foot the bill? Privatize space travel. I'm not some hardcore socialist. let the free market do its thing. If GE/Universal/Shinehardt Wig Company wants to go to the moon, they should be able to.

[Heavyduty053]

well, not to get into another can of worms, but the Bible itself is full of conflicting information throughout its text. Neverminding the fact that there's dozens of versions in existence, King James, New International, etc.

There is not one definitive Bible so to claim that the Bible has been verified by theologians and linguists as factually correct is absurd.

But I get your point.

I beg to differ with you on this subject, the bible is not conflicting at all It is misunderstood for a reason, because the person trying to understand isn't a believer, or there was to much disbelief to understand, or the proof is not seen by lack of faith, or satan is standing between someone and knowledge. God lives in the heart and soul of a believer. knowledge brings understanding, understanding brings faith. A person who says the bible has conflicting information is someone who hasn't truly wanted to find God. He can't work with a hard hearted person. If you ever find him believe me you will know. As for the point of is he real, he speaks to his children in many ways anytime anywhere. I have personally seen the blessing of his work.

I'm not a obama fan but who cares about his birth certificate, 400 million people spoke and guess what he is our president. Now if this nation doesn't like what he's done by all means vote him out. What about congress they share the blame for this mess too.

Edited May 27, 2011 by Heavyduty053

[Markinsa]

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Well if the McCain campaign didn't do their homework, the RNC didn't do the homework, American Crossroads didn't do the home work; and none of these Republican party leaders thought to use the power that a former Chairman of the FEC to check the guy out; I'm damn glad he's our President!

Because if all this is true, Republicans are not worthy of leading or giving input on any of the important issues facing our country.

But like the article Liz posted earlier, there is nothing we can do to confince you otherwise. SCARY!

I'm pretty easy to convince, I'm not afraid of the Truth. I want the truth. "Original" Birth Certificate from the State of Hawaii, like I said I can go home, get my birth certificate in a matter of 30 mins, why can't Obama do the same? You as a person who is defending him should expect him to provide it as well, that is if you want the truth.

Besides, even if Obama isn't qualified, you guys still have Biden to slide into the President's spot. Joe Biden scares me more than Obama does and is the only reason why I hope Obama is telling the truth. And I would like to know that Obama is telling the truth. I don't like this shadow of doubt on the Presidency, or the potential illegality of it. I honestly believe God puts people in power over us on purpose, so God has him there for a reason and I'm praying for him. But, that doesn't mean I can't expect him not to obey the Constitution and our Laws.

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"Woe to the woman that sew

pillows ... Behold, I am against your pillows." 13:18-21

that makes sense to you?

The very first thing is a contradiction. Light and dark, day and night. But the sun and stars aren't created until after that.

and again, I'm not saying the Bible can't be trusted or read, or isn't a worthy guide or basis of religion.

I'm just saying, it's kinda sketchy in a lot of parts when placed under scrutiny far less than what most people put up against Obama's origins.

13:18-21 What book?

Light and Dark - God is Light, he doesn't need Stars and the Sun

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[lizlemon78]

the book is listed in the pdf, not that you'll read it.

but this is just proving my point.

god is light, so it doesn't have to make sense that there is light without something to make it.

and heavyduty's response is also what I'm talking about. you can't understand the bible without faith.

THose are good arguments? They're not. They're absolutely not good arguments. And I'm saying that as someone who has to make those arguments. I see the fallacy inherent in them. But when people are trying to convince you of a conspiracy, they ignore the fallacy inherent in their theories.

That's what this whole thread was about.

[Markinsa]

the book is listed in the pdf, not that you'll read it.

but this is just proving my point.

god is light, so it doesn't have to make sense that there is light without something to make it.

and heavyduty's response is also what I'm talking about. you can't understand the bible without faith.

THose are good arguments? They're not. They're absolutely not good arguments. And I'm saying that as someone who has to make those arguments. I see the fallacy inherent in them. But when people are trying to convince you of a conspiracy, they ignore the fallacy inherent in their theories.

That's what this whole thread was about.

OMG! I did read some of it, and what you poor soul doesn't realize is those little "..." mean that words inbetween have been left out. And words are important! I'm not going to sit here and analyze and tell you what it means, but I'll tell you this, I can find verses out of the Bible and use them in such a way that it will tell you to go and hang yourself. Plus the version of the Bible he was using looked like Old King James. That' why they're newer versions out that are more inline with the way we talk now IE, Amplified, New Living Translation (NLT), New International Version (NIV). Go to biblegateway.com to get a better translation.

Please don't rely on this trash this person put in that PDF it is just one of Satan's traps to get you not to believe. Plus when this person provides the Verse, he does not provide the Book, I had to search to find the one you mentioned.

Let me also add, that you should NEVER rely on what someone else tells you when it concerns your Eternal Soul. Always use the Bible as verification of Truth. If whatever a person is telling you is in direct conflict and contradicts the Bible it is a lie. Read the Bible for yourself, ask God to reveal Himself to you in His Word and He will.

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[Dinar-Hustle]

I have already stated what I wanted to see and my position.

Show me a link where Obama was vetted and who vetted him, I bet you can't, because this topic hasn't ever really come up before in the United States, people assume things are being done that haven't been. I'm not going to assume my government does anything, without those who vetted him coming forward and saying that he's legit.

I normally trust people until they give me a reason not to trust them, and in this case the American People have a very good reason not to trust Obama.

Your sewer mentality doesn't need to be brought into this debate, I gave you my opinion, no need to get graphic with all the corn, ruby red.

I've been to Pearl Harbor and was stationed there, shut up about those men who losts their lives, until you've served you shouldn't even be allowed to talk about them.

Moderators please take note.

For your Info Mark, I did serve this country and and half my family served this country in all branches of the US armed forces- so I can talk dude! My grandfather served during WWII and worked as an officer in the Air force. He would often tell us stories of how he was treated when he and the White officers would travel from base to base as auditors, he would have to stay in colored-only motels and he counldn't even eat with in the same resturants as his fellow co-workers. These things happened all over the south with the so-called christians who would not serve him a glass of water let alone let him worship in the same church to the same christian God that you and I serve. Yeah , I fall short of the glory and I have my own personal relationship with Jesus and I don't worry about what man has to say- it means nothing to me what man thinks- only God can judge me! I am sick and tired of this hypocracy in this counrty with folks claiming to be christians- only holy on sunday, but hellions the rest of the week.

Did you ask about George Bush or any othe president's birth certificate that were before Obama came into office? If not, then there seems to be an underlining reason so many are only worried about his birth certificate. Not just my opinion in this case but an opinion and talk by many who look like me!

peace !

[Markinsa]

For your Info Mark, I did serve this country and and half my family served this country in all branches of the US armed forces- so I can talk dude! My grandfather served during WWII and worked as an officer in the Air force. He would often tell us stories of how he was treated when he and the White officers would travel from base to base as auditors, he would have to stay in colored-only motels and he counldn't even eat with in the same resturants as his fellow co-workers. These things happened all over the south with the so-called christians who would not serve him a glass of water let alone let him worship in the same church to the same christian God that you and I serve. Yeah , I fall short of the glory and I have my own personal relationship with Jesus and I don't worry about what man has to say- it means nothing to me what man thinks- only God can judge me! I am sick and tired of this hypocracy in this counrty with folks claiming to be christians- only holy on sunday, but hellions the rest of the week.

Did you ask about George Bush or any othe president's birth certificate that were before Obama came into office? If not, then there seems to be an underlining reason so many are only worried about his birth certificate. Not just my opinion in this case but an opinion and talk by many who look like me!

peace !

Thank you for your service.

Concerning your Grandfather's treatment, I am sick over it, and I never could understand racism, even when I was growing up in the sixties, I lived in Pensacola and there were riots on School campuses because of forced busing.

My parents never taught me the difference between black and white. They never said anything negative about anyone. When I was in middle school there were two black boys that sat across from me and I could tell neither one liked me, even though I never did anything to them. They were always pushing me around and eventually was provoked into a fight with one of them. So who am I to blame for someone's parents teaching their kids to be racists? I've Forgiven and moved on. It goes both ways.

Jesus said to Forgive, not to Forgive then hold a grudge for the rest of your life. You can't live in the past, all it does is cause heart ache, that's why Jesus preaches forgiveness.

As far as Obama is concerned, he is the President of the United States of America and he is running this Country. But I am tired of our Elected Officiails on BOTH sides fo the isle, thinking they are above the law because they're sitting in office. I want accountability and I want to make damn sure the people we elect are qualified and supposed to be in office. If they aren't, then I want it corrected. If President Obama can't take the time to produce his "Original" Birth Certificate, that tells me something is wrong! Doesn't that ring your bells that something is wrong?

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[debratzz]

Thank you past foolish,very well said. So much hypocrisy!

[Moses]

This president is a Socialist.

Those that support Socialists and Socialism, are Socialists.

Socialism has failed everytime it has been tried.

We are not too big to fail!

The World is not to big to fail.

If we fail to check this march towards socialism here in the U.S., elected rule will be replaced by Thug rule,... Globally.

If you think somehow it ends differently, enlighten us with your wisdom!

[don't look back]

"Woe to the woman that sew

pillows ... Behold, I am against your pillows." 13:18-21

that makes sense to you?

The very first thing is a contradiction. Light and dark, day and night. But the sun and stars aren't created until after that.

and again, I'm not saying the Bible can't be trusted or read, or isn't a worthy guide or basis of religion.

I'm just saying, it's kinda sketchy in a lot of parts when placed under scrutiny far less than what most people put up against Obama's origins.

FYI

The Bible has to be read in context understanding that there are different language translations and through the years the words change meaning, and languages change. When researched, the point remains the same. Our problem of today is people do not want to research and learn on their own. Many are too lazy and just want to be hand fed. Anything you are really interested in or believe in whole heartedly, you will spend the time educating yourself. NEVER take anyone's word for it, check it out yourself.

Ezekiel 13:19

Ezekiel 13:19 You have profaned me among my people for a few handfuls of barley and scraps of bread. By lying to my people, who listen to lies, you have killed those who should not have died and have spared those who should not live.

Ezekiel 13:20

New American Standard Bible

Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am against your magic bands by which you hunt lives there as birds and I will tear them from your arms; and I will let them go, even those lives whom you hunt as birds.

GOD'S WORD® Translation

" 'This is what the Almighty LORD says: I'm against the magic charms that you use to trap people like birds. I will tear them from your arms and free the people that you have trapped.

King James Bible

Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make [them] fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, [even] the souls that ye hunt to make [them] fly.

American King James Version

Why thus said the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, with which you there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that you hunt to make them fly.

American Standard Version

Wherefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms; and I will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly

Ezekiel 13:21 I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the LORD.

Please understand that each one of us needs to know what we are really talking about before we go and spout off "just an opinion". What good is an opinion if you have not educated yourself with knowledge?

[Moses]

The President is not a socialist.

He is! And you sir are in Denial.

[Flamtap]

"Woe to the woman that sew

pillows ... Behold, I am against your pillows." 13:18-21

that makes sense to you?

The very first thing is a contradiction. Light and dark, day and night. But the sun and stars aren't created until after that.

and again, I'm not saying the Bible can't be trusted or read, or isn't a worthy guide or basis of religion.

I'm just saying, it's kinda sketchy in a lot of parts when placed under scrutiny far less than what most people put up against Obama's origins.

Actually yes it makes sense.........Against your pillows doesn't mean laying on them but being opposed to them....what is so sketchy about that?

[nowhammies]

He is! And you sir are in Denial.

You have to understand that aya's whole purpose here is to get folks riled up. He delights in angering people.

I have read his comments to other board members on their profile pages and he clearly states that he derives pleasure from from your response amd making folks irritated.

So there is no point in even addressing any of his comments...waste of time. He just wants "four more years"....not gonna happen.

[Moses]

You have to understand that aya's whole purpose here is to get folks riled up. He delights in angering people.

I have read his comments to other board members on their profile pages and he clearly states that he derives pleasure from from your response amd making folks irritated.

So there is no point in even addressing any of his comments...waste of time. He just wants "four more years"....not gonna happen.

Understand, thanks,.. guess living in your parents basement for so long can, and does, have adverse anti-social effects!

[lizlemon78]

You guys are so funny with this doom and gloom about Obama destroying this country.

What happened that was so terrible in the last 2 years that makes you think we're all going down on this ship?

[don't look back]

I'm pretty easy to convince, I'm not afraid of the Truth. I want the truth. "Original" Birth Certificate from the State of Hawaii, like I said I can go home, get my birth certificate in a matter of 30 mins, why can't Obama do the same? You as a person who is defending him should expect him to provide it as well, that is if you want the truth.

Besides, even if Obama isn't qualified, you guys still have Biden to slide into the President's spot. Joe Biden scares me more than Obama does and is the only reason why I hope Obama is telling the truth. And I would like to know that Obama is telling the truth. I don't like this shadow of doubt on the Presidency, or the potential illegality of it. I honestly believe God puts people in power over us on purpose, so God has him there for a reason and I'm praying for him. But, that doesn't mean I can't expect him not to obey the Constitution and our Laws.

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13:18-21 What book?

Light and Dark - God is Light, he doesn't need Stars and the Sun

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He is reading Ebon Musings, an atheist.

[Willy in Iraq]

well, not to get into another can of worms, but the Bible itself is full of conflicting information throughout its text. Neverminding the fact that there's dozens of versions in existence, King James, New International, etc.

There is not one definitive Bible so to claim that the Bible has been verified by theologians and linguists as factually correct is absurd.

But I get your point.

You are crippled too high for crutches

[Markinsa]

He is reading Ebon Musings, an atheist.

They need to watch this video more than they need to read that book:

23 Minutes in Hell

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[divemaster5734]

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So what about all the Republicans that verified him????

Do you know who the head legal counsel for John McCain's presidential election team was? I'll tell you. His name was Trevor Potter

Do you know what Trevor Potter's work history is? I'll tell you. He was the CHAIRMAN of the Federal Election Commission. He actually worked at the FEC from 1984 to 1994, when he became it's Chairman.

Now, in that position, do you think Mr. Potter would know the rules for eligibility for the highest office in the land? Would he know who qualifies?

Yet from February 2007 to November 2008, no one in the McCain camp thought to check on this? And with his prior status there, he couldn't find this out pretty quickly? You don't think he made one simple phone call to the current Chairman to see if Obama was legit?

If they didn't and let this slide through the heated election season, I'm am very thankful that McCain/Palin didn't win. If they couldn't figure this out, I'd hate to see what they'd do to the rest of our country.

I can't believe that statement.

This isn't about the "sides". They are two sides of the same coin.

All they fight about is who is going to control and make the rules.

The "establishment" politicians are all crap.

They just advanced the "patriot" laws another few years.

We need to stop this insane bickering about stupidity.

Whether he is illegal or not is beside the point, he is destroying our country.

This is NOT a socialist, OR a fascist country.

Republicans want to control through trade, Democrats want to control through force.(mob rules)

When the hell will people pull their heads out of their asses and see what is going on?????

[nowhammies]

You guys are so funny with this doom and gloom about Obama destroying this country.

What happened that was so terrible in the last 2 years that makes you think we're all going down on this ship?

Have you looked at the national debt?

As of April of this year the government is now dictating how much money I can make in my profession. It is also telling private business (Boeing) where they can do business (SC). The federal government is filing lawsuits against states for enforcing federal law already on the books.

I could go on and on and talk about freedom, liberty and so forth but somehow I get the feeling with you it would be a waste of time.

BORDERS LANGUAGE CULTURE!

[Moses]

Have you looked at the national debt?

As of April of this year the government is now dictating how much money I can make in my profession. It is also telling private business (Boeing) where they can do business (SC). The federal government is filing lawsuits against states for enforcing federal law already on the books.

I could go on and on and talk about freedom, liberty and so forth but somehow I get the feeling with you it would be a waste of time.

BORDERS LANGUAGE CULTURE!

Do you have a feeling that with alot of people nowadays,.. as long as they pull the handle and a Slurpie comes out,.. the World is fine?

[Markinsa]

What a convenient method to not have to consider anything I say. Keep telling yourself that people like don't actually exist.

Aya Doesn't Exist.

Aya Doesn't Exist.

Aya Doesn't Esist.

How about, Aya exists and he's lost let's pray for him! JESUS LOVES YOU!

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