ONE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEWS AND MUSLIMS

[Spoolin]

I dont know how credible this is, but it is interesting and makes a good point.

Subject: ONE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEWS AND MUSLIMS

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is

ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat

1990 - Elias James Corey

1994 - Yaser Arafat:

1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:

(zero)

Physics:

(zero)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar

1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 (SEVEN)

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is

FOURTEEN

MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received

the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Si nger

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - William Howard Stein

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Ben jamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Roald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Albert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1989 - Si dney Altman

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Rudolph Marc us

1995 - Martin Perl

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Si mon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Si mon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Mark owitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Si r Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Ben acerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1996- Lu Rose Iacovino

TOTAL: 129!

The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training

camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths

of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill

athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a

single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and

death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard

education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand

that

humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the

Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more

culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say

it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more

violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no

more Israel."

Benjamin Netanyahu

General Eisenhower Warned Us

It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied

Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death

camps, he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the

German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps

and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect:

'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because

somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say

that this never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its

school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which

claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a

frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how

easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe

ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the

6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900

Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten,

experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the

other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust

to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center

'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States?

[NotReallyTex]

Spooling what point do you think it makes?

[detroitjazzman]

I dont know how credible this is, but it is interesting and makes a good point.

Subject: ONE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEWS AND MUSLIMS

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is

ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat

1990 - Elias James Corey

1994 - Yaser Arafat:

1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:

(zero)

Physics:

(zero)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar

1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 (SEVEN)

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is

FOURTEEN

MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received

the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Si nger

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - William Howard Stein

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Ben jamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Roald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Albert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1989 - Si dney Altman

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Rudolph Marc us

1995 - Martin Perl

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Si mon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Si mon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Mark owitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Si r Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Ben acerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1996- Lu Rose Iacovino

TOTAL: 129!

The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training

camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths

of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill

athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a

single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and

death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard

education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand

that

humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the

Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more

culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say

it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more

violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no

more Israel."

Benjamin Netanyahu

General Eisenhower Warned Us

It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied

Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death

camps, he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the

German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps

and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect:

'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because

somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say

that this never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its

school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which

claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a

frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how

easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe

ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the

6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900

Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten,

experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the

other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust

to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center

'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States?

You went through that long post to spew venom and racial slurs directed towards a race of people based on awards received? please tell me this was not your intention.

[Spoolin]

Another fine example of the Public Non-Education System in the US.......muslim is NOT A RACE!

Thank you........At least you seem to have recieved the points it lays out from the read.

Spooling what point do you think it makes?

Here are just a few of the good points...........

The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training

camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths

of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill

athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a

single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and

death to all the Infidels.

and....

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more

violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no

more Israel."

[bilal el]

Sounds like some one is having an emotional out burst. Every race and religion has contributed something to the human family it just depends on who's telling

the (his) story.

Peace be unto you

[Kenneth]

Great Post, especially if the lefties pull out the race card. lmao

Watch this video and then tell us who is spewing hatred. Then ask yourself why our president and lefties defend Muslims more then they defend Christians and Jews; common goals?(Death to America by 1000 cuts)

Oh, isn’t that lovely? The President of the United States, fresh back from his trip where he insulted victims of Islamic terrorism, ignored Veteran’s Day, paid homage to Islam at mosques, and criticized Israel, is now wishing the Muslim world a “peaceful Eid” holiday….

There are times like this for which one can only rock one's head from right to left in slack-jawed amazement, and say you just can't make this sh*t up.

While the Hajj pilgrims chant "Death to America," "Death to Israel" - the naive, incompetent, anti-Israel/pro-Muslim U.S. president says:

On Eid, Muslims around the world will commemorate Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son, and distribute food to those less fortunate - a reminder of the shared values and the common roots of three of the world's major religions.

http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/11/muslims-chant-death-to-america-for-hajj-obama-holiday-wishes/

We didn't see this one coming. We've been paying attention to other things. Muslims around the world are organizing and attacking our culture. Shari'a Law is bigger than the Ground Zero Mosque.

Official Islam watchers claim that by 2018 Shari'a Law will eclipse our American Way of Life. The 1st cut in America's slow death is our lax immigration system. The 2nd cut is removing Christ from Christmas because it offends Muslims. The 3rd death cut is Mosques being built all over America with oil money. A Ground Zero Mosque would show the world Islam's Victory over the Infidels.

Rich Carroll

Tue Aug 24, 2010

Subject; Barry Soetoro – Leading a Thousand Muslim Cuts

www.morningliberty.com

A gutless American population stood-by and allowed this to happen. A generation of historically inept citizens who were preoccupied with Hollywood glitorillia and electronic gadgetry didn’t see the final tiny cut that would cause their death. These people did not know sharia law classes were being taught at their local taxpayer funded university. They did not know the word “God” had been removed from all textbooks and that liberal and Arabic publishers greased with Islam oil dollars, framed Islam as “peaceful” by distorting history within the pages of their books. Parents did not see the slow indoctrination performed on their children behind the walls of the local elementary school.

These parents did not care because in the daily news media reviews of “slaughter” by Islam, they clung to some psychotic belief that “most Muslims are peaceful.”

The gutless generation of Americans were too consumed with frivolous pursuits to take a peek at the history and goals of Islam. These Americans had never felt the sting of battle or the sacrifice for liberty. America had a generation of people who couldn’t find Athens on a map, let-alone realize this once great Greek culture collapsed because of traitorous politicians, and a populace hungry for pornography, homosexuality, drugs, secular humanism and the pursuit of whatever made them “happy” without thought to being vigilant for preservation.

When a generation of people allows their cross and flag to be removed because it “offends” a foreign visitor, they have pretty much bled to death. A generation not worthy of the sacrifices made to keep them free and oblivious to the small cuts don’t deserve what we had. Someone turn out the lights and bury the flag. At least under ground it won’t be burned by a “peaceful” Muslim.

[Spoolin]

Excellent post Kenneth and good one slade.

What was that freedom speech by Ronald Reagan..........I cant remember exactly how it goes. Something about our country is the last hope for freedom, etc etc. Anyone have that speech? Its one of the most hard hitting speeches ever......

[NotReallyTex]

Here are just a few of the good points...........

The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training

camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths

of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill

athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a

single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and

death to all the Infidels.

and....

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more

violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no

more Israel."

Thanks for responding

"'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more

violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no

more Israel."

I believe if the Arab's put their weapons down there would be no Palestine or Gaza Strip. I am by no means an expert on overseas relations but I have watched their plight and IMO it seems very one sided. By your very own quote above what I just stated would be true as well.

As far as Nobel Peace prizes, after Obama won one, I think it has lost credibility, as least with me for awhile.

But you do have a valid point. But if you look at the schooling differences between the two cultures. Maybe you have a right to compare but I just don't think it is a fair comparison. If anything I feel sorry for many of the children of Arab nations but then I feel sorry for the children of drug dealers too. It's not their fault.

And no I a not a bleeding heart liberal, I believe in the death penalty and think we should bring back public executions.

Look at us, whether you are a Democrat or Republican we ALWAYS blame the other party. We just can't bare to look in the mirror and see our own responsibility for where we are today. I think it is just human nature and Jews and Muslims are the same as we are.

Many Muslims are peaceful and many Christians are fanatical and vice-versa.

We, in the states ARE NOT PERFECT. We have terrible crime, child molesters running free I mean who are we to cast the first stone. Maybe Muslims need to take a chill pill and could learn a few things from us but we could probably learn a few things from them. I'm not sure what but I am willing to keep an open mind about it. Maybe public be-headings are a little much but at least they punish their criminals.

But Jews... I mean why are they supposed to be so perfect? Do I know much about them...No. But I do know they are always asking for sympathy but I have seen little sympathy from them for the plight of the people on the Gaza Strip. If anything they have been looking like bullies to me.

Muslims if anything need to keep an open mind. I am sure some do but as long as they have the leaders that hate us they will never have the opportunity to learn that we are not the enemy. But then again how can they learn to have an open mind from us? What kind of example are we setting when our own country is in so much inner turmoil.

[detroitjazzman]

Another fine example of the Public Non-Education System in the US.......muslim is NOT A RACE!

You have absolutely no clue regarding my education.where I attended school and what degrees I've earned...that being said I typed somewhat faster that my brain was going and what I ment to suggest that you cannot disparage a whole class of people because what you feel is a competition. IMHO regarding education. I might suggest that the only thing that kept you out of college was high school!

The largest obstacle to a peace accord in the gaza strip is Mr. Netanyahu (sp)...and how he was put back in office escapes me and you want folk to put down their arms. yea right!

[Soldiering4U]

But Jews... I mean why are they supposed to be so perfect? Do I know much about them...No. But I do know they are always asking for sympathy but I have seen little sympathy from them for the plight of the people on the Gaza Strip. If anything they have been looking like bullies to me.

If you had people launching rockets over your borders every day and Iran saying they where going to wipe you off the face of the planet you would be kind of a butt to them as well... Not to mention that the US is one of Israel's few allies in the world and even we are trying to get them to give up part of their land

I like you but I do wish you would do some research on the Gaza strip and surrounding areas as to what is really going on there. Israel isn't the bully Israel is the victim in all of this mess they never asked anyone to try taking over their land and they have had treaties with their neighbors that have been continuously broken because of the attacks on their soil.

Again, no disrespect to you and we agree on a lot of things on this forum but I have a huge heart for Israel because that is where some of my heritage is so please do not listen to what you have read in the mainstream paper or seen on the tv and assume that Israel is the bad guy trust me they are not and they do need all the support they can get.

Here is a site for news in Israel News please start this research... you can always tell by the news who they fear even in the USA

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/

Edited January 27, 2011 by Soldiering4U

[Kenneth]

Emotional outburst indeed...after all, any fool can see that the world owe's a huge debt to the muslims for their contributions to everything from technology to medicine. I am almost certain that the computer you use was invented somewhere in the Middle East. Not to mention your car....and space technologies... I am sure those type of innovations were invented during one of those "academic coversations" held in one of those pretty mosques somewhere. That is why I am all for that big muslim "civic center" they want to build by where the WTC ONCE WAS. That way they can get together and dream, create and build more good things for the benefit of humanity like they always have...

Yep Yup....I am certain that history will show how much has been contributed to society and the betterment of mankind by the muslims

Bll Bla, any fool that simple studies history would know the truth about the mosque and modern day muslims are not the same as medieval muslims.

"The achievements of the Arabic speaking peoples between the ninth and twelfth centuries are so great as to baffle our understanding. The decadence of Islam and of Arabic is almost as puzzling in its speed and completeness as their phenomenal rise. Scholars will forever try to explain it as they try to explain the decadence and fall of Rome. Such questions are exceedingly complex and it is impossible to answer them in a simple way."

— George Sarton , The Incubation of Western Culture in the Middle East'[213]

The name they chose for this project, Cordoba Initiative, is an

interesting chose. For those who are not students of history, Cordoba is

a city in Spain. During the time of the Crusades it was one of Spain's

greatest cultural centers. The Moors, which were a group of Muslims from

North Africa invaded Spain beheading all infidels (non-Muslim

believers), captured Cordoba, converted it to their city and turned the

city's well known Catholic cathedral into a mosque.

Throughout history Muslims have been known to capture territory and always convert the most prized Christian churches into mosques. It is no accident that this

NYC Islamic Center is being called the Cordoba Initiative. They are

claiming a victory of 9/11 and creating their own memorial. In that culture their memorials are not in honor of the dead, but to display their victory over those who were defeated.

Also you might want to know the only time the Muslim religion flourished is when they had religious tolerance, something they don't have now.

Religious freedom, though society was still controlled under Islamic values, helped create cross-cultural networks by attracting Muslim, Christian and Jewish intellectuals and thereby helped spawn the greatest period of philosophical creativity in the Middle Ages from the 8th to 13th centuries.[4] Another reason the Islamic world flourished during this period was an early emphasis on freedom of speech, as summarized by al-Hashimi (a cousin of Caliph al-Ma'mun) in the following letter to one of the religious opponents he was attempting to convert through reason:[11][dubious – discuss]

"Bring forward all the arguments you wish and say whatever you please and speak your mind freely. Now that you are safe and free to say whatever you please appoint some arbitrator who will impartially judge between us and lean only towards the truth and be free from the empary of passion, and that arbitrator shall be Reason, whereby God makes us responsible for our own rewards and punishments. Herein I have dealt justly with you and have given you full security and am ready to accept whatever decision Reason may give for me or against me. For "There is no compulsion in religion" (Qur'an 2:256) and I have only invited you to accept our faith willingly and of your own accord and have pointed out the hideousness of your present belief. Peace be upon you and the blessings of God!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Which is different then modern Muslims that say convert or die.

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/muslim-threatens-kansas-legislature-convert-or-die/

So until moderate muslims are willing to speak out against terrorism and the persictution of Christians and Jews, they all must be seen as a threat to America and the world.

This poll illustrates my point.

While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be, at least rarely.

That sentiment is strongest among those younger than 30. Two percent of them say it can often be justified, 13 percent say sometimes and 11 percent say rarely.

"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.

U.S. Muslims have growing Internet and television access to extreme ideologies, he said, adding: "People, especially younger people, are susceptible to these ideas."

Federal officials have warned the U.S. must guard against homegrown terrorism, as the British suffered with the London transit bombings of 2005.

Even so, U.S. Muslims are far less accepting of suicide attacks than Muslims in many other nations. In Pew surveys last year, support in some Muslim countries exceeded 50 percent, while it was considered justifiable by about one in four Muslims in Britain and Spain, and one in three in France.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P9KKMG0&show_article=1

[Spoolin]

Thanks for responding

"'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more

violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no

more Israel."

I believe if the Arab's put their weapons down there would be no Palestine or Gaza Strip. I am by no means an expert on overseas relations but I have watched their plight and IMO it seems very one sided. By your very own quote above what I just stated would be true as well.

As far as Nobel Peace prizes, after Obama won one, I think it has lost credibility, as least with me for awhile.

But you do have a valid point. But if you look at the schooling differences between the two cultures. Maybe you have a right to compare but I just don't think it is a fair comparison. If anything I feel sorry for many of the children of Arab nations but then I feel sorry for the children of drug dealers too. It's not their fault.

And no I a not a bleeding heart liberal, I believe in the death penalty and think we should bring back public executions.

Look at us, whether you are a Democrat or Republican we ALWAYS blame the other party. We just can't bare to look in the mirror and see our own responsibility for where we are today. I think it is just human nature and Jews and Muslims are the same as we are.

Many Muslims are peaceful and many Christians are fanatical and vice-versa.

We, in the states ARE NOT PERFECT. We have terrible crime, child molesters running free I mean who are we to cast the first stone. Maybe Muslims need to take a chill pill and could learn a few things from us but we could probably learn a few things from them. I'm not sure what but I am willing to keep an open mind about it. Maybe public be-headings are a little much but at least they punish their criminals.

But Jews... I mean why are they supposed to be so perfect? Do I know much about them...No. But I do know they are always asking for sympathy but I have seen little sympathy from them for the plight of the people on the Gaza Strip. If anything they have been looking like bullies to me.

Muslims if anything need to keep an open mind. I am sure some do but as long as they have the leaders that hate us they will never have the opportunity to learn that we are not the enemy. But then again how can they learn to have an open mind from us? What kind of example are we setting when our own country is in so much inner turmoil.

I dont know why you got any negatives for that.

I thought it was a really good post and very polite. I can agree with some of what you say, but what really worries me about the Muslim religion is that they are taught to lie to the infidel. What that makes me think is that they are leading us "infidels" to believe they are pieceful so that they can slip their way and manipulate us until they have enough "things" in place to hammer us.....So to speak...

[the next contestant]

To all:

What most of you are missing is that those that are in charge in Palestine do not want peace with Israel. Never have and they never will! This has been proven by Israel in one of their earlier attempts at peace talks. We Americans have a very short memory indeed! During the peace talks Israel decided to agree to the demands being made by the other side.... This caught the opposing negotiating representative totally off guard. Becuse the demands that they had made were so ridiculous that they thought for sure they would never be met. Thus they could come away from the peace talks saying that Israel would not meet any demands! They were at a loss, so they made more demands. These were even more outrageous than the first. Israel agreed to these as well! This did nothing but infuriate the the hamas representative who refused to continue with the peace talks!

Most of this never made it to the mainstream media (for obvious reasons). But that day Israel showed those who were watching what Hamas really wanted..... So if you have ever wondered why Iran and other neighboring Muslim countries have never really sent the Palestines anything other than weapons that do nothing but fuel this Muslim agenda, then you are on the right track!

I am not saying that Israel has been totally blameless over the years, but if one were to really look and do the research, you will find out who's been the real instigator.

So don't be fooled!

[Spoolin]

If you had people launching rockets over your borders every day and Iran saying they where going to wipe you off the face of the planet you would be kind of a butt to them as well... Not to mention that the US is one of Israel's few allies in the world and even we are trying to get them to give up part of their land

I like you but I do wish you would do some research on the Gaza strip and surrounding areas as to what is really going on there. Israel isn't the bully Israel is the victim in all of this mess they never asked anyone to try taking over their land and they have had treaties with their neighbors that have been continuously broken because of the attacks on their soil.

Again, no disrespect to you and we agree on a lot of things on this forum but I have a huge heart for Israel because that is where some of my heritage is so please do not listen to what you have read in the mainstream paper or seen on the tv and assume that Israel is the bad guy trust me they are not and they do need all the support they can get.

Here is a site for news in Israel News please start this research... you can always tell by the news who they fear even in the USA

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/

Dont forget that Isreal has been losing their land for EVER. The Arab countries keep pushing and pushing and taking and taking and eventually when they lose all their land.......Well, we all know what happens next......Just read the Bible......

[Soldiering4U]

Dont forget that Isreal has been losing their land for EVER. The Arab countries keep pushing and pushing and taking and taking and eventually when they lose all their land.......Well, we all know what happens next......Just read the Bible......

I really didn't want to get into a huge history lesson because I need to get back to work, but you are right I have been studying Israel since I was about 12 when I found out my grandmother was jewish and my grandfather was german who married and came here to escape WWII so I truly feel for the people of Israel... I gotta go back to work now

[andy3978]

You have absolutely no clue regarding my education.where I attended school and what degrees I've earned...that being said I typed somewhat faster that my brain was going and what I ment to suggest that you cannot disparage a whole class of people because what you feel is a competition. IMHO regarding education. I might suggest that the only thing that kept you out of college was high school!

The largest obstacle to a peace accord in the gaza strip is Mr. Netanyahu (sp)...and how he was put back in office escapes me and you want folk to put down their arms. yea right!

Well how about they drop the demand of the '67 boarders. In 1967, the Arabs attacked Israel and LOST. Israel claimed that land by the Rights of Conquest. It would be no different than the Colts pounding sand that the NFL should strip the Saints of their Superbowl rings & trophy and give it to the Colts. If they Palestinians quit their crying and about the past and looked AHEAD (and stopped electing terrorist groups to run their government) and tried to improve their situation, they'd be in far better shape. AND they'd get the help and support from every nation in the world to do so.

[Kenneth]

You have absolutely no clue regarding my education.where I attended school and what degrees I've earned...that being said I typed somewhat faster that my brain was going and what I ment to suggest that you cannot disparage a whole class of people because what you feel is a competition. IMHO regarding education. I might suggest that the only thing that kept you out of college was high school!

The largest obstacle to a peace accord in the gaza strip is Mr. Netanyahu (sp)...and how he was put back in office escapes me and you want folk to put down their arms. yea right!

I just say No place in America better symbolizes the ruination brought by Democrats than Detroit. The city has been run by Democrats for decades, while its economic life has been in thrall to the unions, which drove up wages to unsustainable levels, ruining the American auto industry.

If you went to a liberal college it doesn't make you smarter just more indoctrinated,

On an individual level, less than 60 percent (sometimes far less) of college graduates can identify on a multiple-choice test the three branches of government; seminal passages from the Declaration of Independence and Gettysburg Address; basic events from the Revolutionary, Civil, and Vietnam Wars; and the primary features of our free-enterprise system. Several of these questions are actually required knowledge for new American citizens, signifying their relevance to what we as a nation demand for informed citizenship.

On an institutional level, ISI discovered that for many of our most elite schools, like Yale, Princeton, Duke, and my alma mater Georgetown, not only did they fail to get above a “D,” their seniors did worse than their freshmen on the same test—a phenomenon dubbed “negative learning.”

Still, until this new survey by ISI, it was unclear scientifically whether this obvious ideological bias on the part of faculty spilled out into the classroom. Maybe faculty were liberal, but their professionalism prevented them from injecting their politics into their disciplinary subject matter?

So what does ISI’s new study reveal? How does college “Shape the American Mind”?

As one might suspect, the academy’s liberalism has not been value-neutral. On the contrary, when ISI held constant all other variables in a graduate’s background—like their age, race, income, gender, religion, etc.—and just looked at the independent impact of college, we discovered a clear leftward lurch. For example, on the issues front, college’s impact was almost exclusively on some of the most polarizing matters. Not only did college make a graduate more likely to support abortion-on-demand and same-sex marriage, but it made a person less likely to support prayer in schools, and remarkably, the notion that with hard work anyone can succeed in America. In terms of political self-identification, college made a person much more likely to label himself or herself as a liberal and a Democrat, ranking behind only race (minority), gender (female), and marital status (single) in its leftward influence. It is important to note that most college graduates are still skeptical of abortion on demand (only 21 percent approve) and same-sex marriage (only 39 percent approve), and they land squarely in the moderate/independent range. Clearly, there are other variables than college that influence a person’s overall political worldview. But what ISI’s research proves is that when people do attend college, their political attitudes and opinions begin to shift in an identifiably leftward direction, much more so if they had not decided to go to college in the first place.

Interestingly, scoring higher on ISI’s civic literacy test was found to have a very different impact on a person’s worldview. For instance, more knowledge about America did not seem to have any discernible impact one way or another on hot-button issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. Instead, higher civic knowledge led individuals away from contentious social issues and toward more sympathetic perceptions of America in general, its founding documents, and its free-market economic institutions. Apparently, greater familiarity with America, instead of breeding contempt, actually fostered more respect for key elements of America’s free society.

Dunce

In the end, America is a free country, and everyone is entitled to his or her particular political point of view, including and especially college professors and college graduates. And if colleges were adequately teaching their students America’s history and institutions, and the same leftward political influences were discovered, then it could be logically concluded that as citizens learned more about their country, this academic enlightenment leads naturally to liberal political enlightenment. But this peculiar combination of collegiate civic ignorance on the one hand, and collegiate liberalism on the other, suggests a wholly different story, one featuring academic neglect at best and political indoctrination at worst.

http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=1404&loc=r

Take the quiz for yourself and see how smarts U R

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx

[Spoolin]

Hey Soldier.....I got an email that you messaged me but I cant seem to find it on the board. I may not be able to get it due to not being a paying customer. So, if I dont get back to you, that is why.

You can email me at inovatv@yahoo.com if you like.

[NotReallyTex]

I dont know why you got any negatives for that.

I thought it was a really good post and very polite. I can agree with some of what you say, but what really worries me about the Muslim religion is that they are taught to lie to the infidel. What that makes me think is that they are leading us "infidels" to believe they are pieceful so that they can slip their way and manipulate us until they have enough "things" in place to hammer us.....So to speak...

Thanks Spooling. I am surprised I got negatives too. People want everyone to understand their side of things and I am totally willing to. You can't force a persons mind though and people learn through understanding and sharing knowledge.

Like Soldiering4U posted "I like you but I do wish you would do some research on the Gaza strip and surrounding areas as to what is really going on there. Israel isn't the bully Israel is the victim in all of this mess they never asked anyone to try taking over their land and they have had treaties with their neighbors that have been continuously broken because of the attacks on their soil.

Again, no disrespect to you and we agree on a lot of things on this forum but I have a huge heart for Israel because that is where some of my heritage is so please do not listen to what you have read in the mainstream paper or seen on the tv and assume that Israel is the bad guy trust me they are not and they do need all the support they can get.

Here is a site for news in Israel News please start this research... you can always tell by the news who they fear even in the USA

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/ "

I am more than willing to learn all that I can and will always keep an open mind but when people give negatives simply because I didn't fall in line like I should have.....well that doesn't make me want to have an open mind to them and their views.

Soldier I will read the link though.

For all you radicals that can't handle an adult discussion though....I'll play your game.

You little negative givers can kiss my little

[detroitjazzman]

I guess you have your mind mad up....Im just a poor uneducated democrat stuck in the inner city of Detroit. But you left out...financially set for life...not dependant on a RV to close on my new home next month. And definately smarter than a I know its a fine school, I did some post graduate work there when we lived in Potomac. just saying you cannot assume you know because of someone zip code, who they are. Im sure that I could if I wanted to, move next door to you just saying.

[detroitjazzman]

Most people who claim to have great wealth and education on some random internet board have neither.....are you Ranger77 under a new name????

Son.... I don't claim to have I Have been blessed in life. Im not a child who is trying to find my place in life. I know who and where I am and for you...I left a trail.... should your care to wager....it's tax time...everyone has a definate documentation of annual earnings. I would be willing to bet my entire Dinar Holdings (4.5 years worth) against yours. earnings and net worth. to earnings and net worth. Can't step up to the plate....shut the f*** up

Edited January 27, 2011 by detroitjazzman

[Tiffany23]

If you will forgive me, but I can't be quiet on this one. I have had the honor of being around all the major religions and all of them are AWESOME. I actually lived in Turkey, as well as often traveled to Bahrain and Kuwait. I have also been to Israel several times and currently have a Jewish roommate. So....just a few tidbits.

The Musliums were the creaters of Algebra. You can read about it here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invented_algebra

Without algebra you can pretty much kiss engineering and science good by. By the way, the Hindus were the first ones to think up the term zero You can read about that here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invented_number_zero

The Musliums have a very deep history in the arts as well. Some of their love poems make shakespeare look like something a second grader wrote.

In traveling to over 75 countries, Turkey was by far the most friendly people I have ever had an opportunity to get to know. It is almost a sin for them to be rude to a stranger. Pls don't fuel the fire with sterotyping them all as radicals. It's like them looking at us and thinking all American Christians are like the Ku Klux Klan.

The Jews are just as AWESOME. I won't bore you all with my dealings with them...but I just wanted to say my peace.

As Tiny Tim would say "God bless us, everyone!"

[caz1104]

To sterotype is wrong imo. There is good,bad,& indifferent in all religions,cultures,& race. Looking for the good in people is not hard if you choose to do so........................................................GO RV 2011 BABY!!!!! P.S. Tiff when you mentioned Tiny Tim,1st person that popped into my head was the singer "Tip Toe Through the Tulips" HaHa!!!!!............................... uh oh thats actually sad

Edited January 27, 2011 by caz1104

[Lonzworth]

Another fine example of the Public Non-Education System in the US.......muslim is NOT A RACE!

neither is being jewish.

[Soldiering4U]

Hey Soldier.....I got an email that you messaged me but I cant seem to find it on the board. I may not be able to get it due to not being a paying customer. So, if I dont get back to you, that is why.

click on your name and you will find my comment there it is on your profile...