Father & Daughter Talk

[Qman]

The Father and Daughter talk is interesting and true, but what follows the discussion is a litany of conservative vs. liberal contrasts that seem so acturate and to the point. This should make sense to most.

Father & Daughter Talk

Read the bottom part too.....

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch

conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes

on the rich and the need for more government programs.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be

the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy

classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's

office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired

back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really

hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work!

Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the

conservative side of the fence."

If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great

test!

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.

If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for

everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his

situation.

A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.

Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.

A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping

for it, or may choose a job that provides it.

A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a

good laugh.

A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

[Tiffany23]

Interesting...not sure if I agree with ALL of the bottom part, but it does have merits. Thanks for sharing Q!

[detroitjazzman]

Thanks for your post! Cannot say that I totally agree with the analysis, however, I do agree with some of this. While Im not apt to forward this to my friends, I don't think I would necessarily delete it either. I would say that the father thought out his conversation in a thought provoking fashion and was not talking down to his child. Its was a learning process into the relm of independant thinking or as dad use to say to us "do no go where the path may lead.....go instead where the is no path....and leave a trail" Seems to me that so often we try to put people into boxes, however, we have to understand. there is no one size fits all. If we learn just one thing TODAY....Tomorrow when we wake....We will know more than we ever have in life!"..Im just saying

Edited January 13, 2011 by detroitjazzman

[DesertPete]

Great Post Q-man...

By the comments, I can tell that the liberals are already confused. Then again it doesn't take much.

[detroitjazzman]

Great Post Q-man...

By the comments, I can tell that the liberals are already confused. Then again it doesn't take much.

Guess you got it all figured out. independant thinking is always a plus. im just saying

Edited January 13, 2011 by detroitjazzman

[Kandi77]

Good Post, I liked it!!!!! My stance is that I do work hard for what I have, and I should be able to decide who and when I want to help. That shouldn't be forced on me by the government.

I get what is being said, especially in the lower part, but I think it is to the extremes. I took it as implying ALL conservatives and All Liberals were this way. I consider myself pretty conservative, but I don't think that ALL liberals are saying my way right away.

[jsb]

Have you ever noticed a conservative never takes responsiblity for anything....it is always liberal thinking, liberal doing, etc. Just have to agree to disagree on some of these comments.

[Kandi77]

Have you ever noticed a conservative never takes responsiblity for anything....it is always liberal thinking, liberal doing, etc. Just have to agree to disagree on some of these comments.

Hi Kettle...Your Black!!!

[Tiffany23]

Great Post Q-man...

By the comments, I can tell that the liberals are already confused. Then again it doesn't take much.

Hmmm...Liberal...that's interesting. Never been labeled that before. Wonder how many "liberals" sleep with a .357 Mag under their pillow.

I do believe in a society that provides an "opportunity" to advance...access to good public schools and reasonably price health care...and a strong military. I also believe that society or the government doesn't owe you a good job. So, instead of Liberal, how about calling me an American that cares about other Americans and call it a day?

[BruceV]

The Father and Daughter talk is interesting and true, but what follows the discussion is a litany of conservative vs. liberal contrasts that seem so acturate and to the point. This should make sense to most.

Father & Daughter Talk

Read the bottom part too.....

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch

conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes

on the rich and the need for more government programs.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be

the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy

classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's

office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired

back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really

hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work!

Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the

conservative side of the fence."

If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great

test!

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.

If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for

everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his

situation.

A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.

Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.

A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping

for it, or may choose a job that provides it.

A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a

good laugh.

A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

Well said!

[diverdave]

Liberal definition

broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions"

having political or social views favoring reform and progress

tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition

a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties

conservative definition

resistant to change

having social or political views favoring conservatism

cautious: avoiding excess; "a conservative estimate"

a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas

button-down: unimaginatively conventional; "a colorful character in the buttoned-down, dull-grey world of business"- Newsweek

a member of a Conservative Party

bourgeois: conforming to the standards and conventions of the middle class; "a bourgeois mentality"

I'm both, I have a broad political views, I'm tolerant of others opinions but I believe we spend way too much and give away too many handouts. I guess I'm a fiscal conservative liberal. But I sleep with a .45 semi auto next to the bed with the safety on, .357 under the pillow seems a bit reckless

Edited January 13, 2011 by diverdave

[Shylmysten]

The Father and Daughter talk is interesting and true, but what follows the discussion is a litany of conservative vs. liberal contrasts that seem so acturate and to the point. This should make sense to most.

Father & Daughter Talk

Read the bottom part too.....

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch

conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes

on the rich and the need for more government programs.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be

the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"

She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy

classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's

office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired

back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really

hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work!

Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the

conservative side of the fence."

If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great

test!

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.

If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for

everyone.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his

situation.

A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.

Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.

A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping

for it, or may choose a job that provides it.

A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a

good laugh.

A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

This is Dead on!! My son is a sophmore in HIGH SCHOOL, with a 4.0 GPA and because he was taught by his philosophy teacher that Marxism is so "Ideal" for any government, he now believe that the constitutional ideas presented by our founders are "outdated" and the document itself is nothing more than an "antiquated relic" of our history. The funny thing is, when I asked my son, if he knew how many people Joseph Stalin, and Mussolini slaughtered, he didn't have a clue. And when Marxism is taught to our children in this light, it makes it MUCH MORE appealing to them. History is being revised, and taught to our children like a propoganda arm of the Government. The Dept. of Education needs to be defunded, dismantled and thrown in the dustbowl of history. Since its inception, our kids have consistently slipped in their grades, test scores, and what was once thought to be "common knowledge".

I have tried so many times to help my son understand exactly how OUR Constitution changed the entire world. It was a 5000 year leap in society and human rights. It was what INNOVATED the world, thus changing it forever.

I truly believe we are headed for a meltdown in this country. The progressives want a full on, out in the street revolution, to bring the government down on top of the people. Every crisis has been exploited to bring more government control and regulations, that bleed us of our God given rights, our freedoms, and our liberties.

[Kenneth]

Great post, I agree with every word. I'm going to use this story to illustrate how unfair it is to take from one that works and give to others that are too lazy.

For those of you that didn't agree with every word; Why don't you agree with the truth, because you don't know what you don't know.

John Stossel: Why I am not A Liberal Anymore

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art..._i_105075.html

April 7, 2010What Am I?

By John Stossel

I used to be a Kennedy-style "liberal." Then I wised up. Now I'm a libertarian.

But what does that mean?

And so-called liberals? They tend to be anti-gun and pro-choice on abortion. They favor big, powerful government -- they say -- to make life kinder for people.

By contrast, libertarians want government to leave people alone -- in both the economic and personal spheres. Leave us free to pursue our hopes and dreams, as long as we don't hurt anybody else.

Ironically, that used to be called "liberal," which has the same root as "liberty." Several hundred years ago, liberalism was a reaction against the stifling rules imposed by aristocracy and established religion.

I wish I could call myself "liberal" now. But the word has been turned on its head. It now means health police, high taxes, speech codes and so forth.

So I can't call myself a "liberal." I'm stuck with "libertarian." If you have a better word, please let me know.

Here's a few facts to help understand why liberals of today means something far different than it meant a 100 years ago.

Classical liberalism - It is committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets (economic liberalism). It also includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, and historically a gold standard to facilitate global free trade and place fiscal constraints on government. In the rest of the world, it is simply known as liberalism. In America, this new liberalism means nearly the opposite. Traditional Liberalism is based on the founding of America and why many say Jeffersonian liberalism. The new American meaning has been made into any form of collectivism. It’s a matter of individual rights vs. group rights or individualism vs. collectivism. One holds that there is no smaller minority than the individual, the other believes group rights trump individual rights.

Ludwig von Mises wrote in prescience,

"In the United States "liberal" means today a set of ideas and political postulates that in every regard are the opposite of all that liberalism meant to the preceding generations. The American self-styled liberal aims at government omnipotence, is a resolute foe of free enterprise, and advocates all-round planning by the authorities, i.e., socialism."Liberalism (1929)

Ludwig von Mises explained in his 1922 book Socialism that,

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state. Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic problem of Socialism—until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name. The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism.” (p.22)

H.G Wells

The outspoken socialist, H.G. Wells, was of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and, it turns out, the inspiration for Aldous Huxley's Brave New World). Wells didn't coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis," he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.

This implies modern liberals have much more in common with fascists and socialists than they would lead you to believe. This does NOT mean that they are the exact same as German National socialists, Italian fascists or Soviet socialists either but it dispels the common myths of them being polar opposites. When you look beyond the top layer of the onion , they share some significant characteristics (gun control or confiscation, State control of or heavy regulation of commerce, regulated free speech, a general social nannyism, and an overall collectivist/statist mindset). Today, while there are different forms of modern militant-like groups, fascism has generally come with more of a happy face than the sternness of past forms. Also, modern progressives are still loyal to Keynesian economics of which both fascists and socialists were and are faithful to as well.

As the Socialist Party candidate for president, Norman Thomas said in a 1944 speech:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a presidential candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."

Hayek stated in the Forward to the Road to Serfdom (1944) that

"I use throughout the term 'liberal' in the original, nineteenth-century sense in which it is still current in Britain. In current American usage it often means very nearly the opposite of this. It has been part of the camouflage of leftish movements in this country, helped by muddleheadedness of many who really believe in liberty, that 'liberal' has come to mean the advocacy of almost every kind of government control.

F.A. Hayek

I am still puzzled why those in the United States who truly believe in liberty should not only have allowed the left to appropriate this almost indispensable term but should even have assisted by beginning to use it themselves as a term of opprobrium. This seems to be particularly regrettable because of the consequent tendency of many true liberals to describe themselves as conservatives."

Joseph Schumpeter

http://traditionalliberalism.blogspot.com/2010/10/terminological-theft-liberalism.html

If you are curious for the truth, go to this site and read more; then you will understand why the word liberal no longer means something good.

[Kenneth]

This is Dead on!! My son is a sophmore in HIGH SCHOOL, with a 4.0 GPA and because he was taught by his philosophy teacher that Marxism is so "Ideal" for any government, he now believe that the constitutional ideas presented by our founders are "outdated" and the document itself is nothing more than an "antiquated relic" of our history. The funny thing is, when I asked my son, if he knew how many people Joseph Stalin, and Mussolini slaughtered, he didn't have a clue. And when Marxism is taught to our children in this light, it makes it MUCH MORE appealing to them. History is being revised, and taught to our children like a propoganda arm of the Government. The Dept. of Education needs to be defunded, dismantled and thrown in the dustbowl of history. Since its inception, our kids have consistently slipped in their grades, test scores, and what was once thought to be "common knowledge".

I have tried so many times to help my son understand exactly how OUR Constitution changed the entire world. It was a 5000 year leap in society and human rights. It was what INNOVATED the world, thus changing it forever.

I truly believe we are headed for a meltdown in this country. The progressives want a full on, out in the street revolution, to bring the government down on top of the people. Every crisis has been exploited to bring more government control and regulations, that bleed us of our God given rights, our freedoms, and our liberties.

Watch Glenn Beck with your son, it has opened my son's eyes to the evils of communism.

A groundbreaking hour long special where Glenn Beck takes us back in time to examine the roots of socialism and communism and the evil that followed. We all know about the horrors of the holocaust where the pure evil Hitler inspired claimed the lives of millions of innocent people. But most do not know about the millions upon millions of lives lost in a different genocide of the Ukrainian people under the Stalin regime. This special also takes a look behind the iconic fashion symbol of Che Guevara showing that the myth doesn’t tell the story of the man who was a blood thirsty killer. We meet a family who saw first hand what a monster the man was. They know the cost of communism and you will too when you hear their story, and who can forget about Mao Zedong? A leader responsible for 70-million deaths during his reign. All communist. All killers. We will show you things you’ve never seen but need to.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3982487/live-free-or-die/

[Shylmysten]

Watch Glenn Beck with your son, it has opened my son's eyes to the evils of communism.

A groundbreaking hour long special where Glenn Beck takes us back in time to examine the roots of socialism and communism and the evil that followed. We all know about the horrors of the holocaust where the pure evil Hitler inspired claimed the lives of millions of innocent people. But most do not know about the millions upon millions of lives lost in a different genocide of the Ukrainian people under the Stalin regime. This special also takes a look behind the iconic fashion symbol of Che Guevara showing that the myth doesn’t tell the story of the man who was a blood thirsty killer. We meet a family who saw first hand what a monster the man was. They know the cost of communism and you will too when you hear their story, and who can forget about Mao Zedong? A leader responsible for 70-million deaths during his reign. All communist. All killers. We will show you things you’ve never seen but need to.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3982487/live-free-or-die/

I do, unfortunately, anyone who mentions God, is also on my son's hitlist. He's not an athiest, but he tries to intellectuallize religion and spirituality. He thinks that the bible is a story book, but I've shown him the archeological evidence. Doesn't matter...God his patient, and he will wait for my son to come to him...I just hope its sooner than later

[luv2hike27]

As ussual Qman you hit the nail on the head!nI agreed 110%

[NotReallyTex]

I agree with a lot of the comments in general but then some of them are a little extreme, which is a liberal trait.

I really have enjoyed Glenn Beck but then he got a little too fanatical with some of his comments. I do wish he would calm down, maybe some of our schools would let students watch him because he is a very smart man.

I used to watch Hannity till he went overboard.

One thing I don't like it when they can't say they were wrong. I haven't noticed it with Beck but more than once Hannity was just wrong but you would never catch him admitting it.

[Shylmysten]

I agree with a lot of the comments in general but then some of them are a little extreme, which is a liberal trait.

I really have enjoyed Glenn Beck but then he got a little too fanatical with some of his comments. I do wish he would calm down, maybe some of our schools would let students watch him because he is a very smart man.

I used to watch Hannity till he went overboard.

One thing I don't like it when they can't say they were wrong. I haven't noticed it with Beck but more than once Hannity was just wrong but you would never catch him admitting it.

Beck issued a formal appology on his show for calling Obama a racist. He also said he was wrong.

[NotReallyTex]

Beck issued a formal appology on his show for calling Obama a racist. He also said he was wrong.

I meant I hadn't noticed Beck being wrong that much. But I am glad he did that.

I admit I have been on the fence as far as Obama being a racist. After that professor fiasco I don't know how he truly feels about the majority of us. I think he was wrong when he jumped the gun on the officer but he never actually apologized when he should have. JMO

[detroitjazzman]

I meant I hadn't noticed Beck being wrong that much. But I am glad he did that.

I admit I have been on the fence as far as Obama being a racist. After that professor fiasco I don't know how he truly feels about the majority of us. I think he was wrong when he jumped the gun on the officer but he never actually apologized when he should have. JMO

You know I have been having some of the same thoughts...not about obama but about the police officer that in my opinion caused this issue to morp into a national incident. Once he determined that the good doctor was indeed the resident of the property. His (the officer) duty was the leave period..and because he (police) didn't leave a whole national polarizing incident arose. My question.....Black police officer comes to your home...accuses you of breaking and entering..you let them know that you are the home owner. What do you do or say to get them to leave...America is not a police state we as american's have constitutional rights (not black or white rights) constitutional rights. and when someone comes into my home that I don't want to be there....I only ask you once to leave. Im really getting sick and tired of everything being a racial issue. I am an American and I fought for the freedoms I believe in. I am not a African American......I am an American of African Heritage. im just saying Tired of the Race Card being played on both sides. Peace

Edited January 14, 2011 by detroitjazzman

[Linda]

As always Q, Thank you for the post....God Bless...