1+1=2000 What??? Really??

[jbbdolphins]

I found this article and thought it might interest some of you...

Rothschilds & Rockefellers -

Trillionaires Of The World

Learn your history before it repeats on you.

By New World Order

12-3-7

"Money is Power", or shall we say, "The Monopoly to Create Credit Money and charge interest is Absolute Power". (Alex James)

Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838:

"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws".

Letter written from London by the Rothschilds to their New York agents introducing their banking method into America: "The few who can understand the system will be either so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class, while, on the other hand, that great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that Capital derives from the system, will bear its burden without complaint and, perhaps, without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

Nathan Rothschild said to the Commons Secret Committee on the question early in 1819: "In what line of business are you? - Mostly in the foreign banking line. "Have the goodness to state to the Committee in detail, what you conceive would be the consequence of an obligation imposed upon the Bank [of England, which he owned] to resume cash payments at the expiration of a year from the present time? - I do not think it can be done without very great distress to this country; it would do a great deal of mischief; we may not actually know ourselves what mischief it might cause. "Have the goodness to explain the nature of the mischief, and in what way it would be produced? - Money will be so very scarce, every article in this country will fall to such an enormous extent, that many persons will be ruined."

The director of the Prussian Treasury wrote on a visit to London that Nathan Rothschild had as early as 1817: ".., incredible influence upon all financial affairs here in London. It is widely stated.., that he entirely regulates the rate of exchange in the City. His power as a banker is enormous".

Austrian Prince Mettemich's secretary wrote of the Rothschilds, as early as 1818, that: "... they are the richest people in Europe."

Referring to James Rothschild, the poet Heinrich Heine said: "Money is the god of our times, and Rothschild is his prophet."

James Rothschild built his fabulous mansion, called Ferrilres, 19 miles north-east of Paris. Wilhelm I, on first seeing it, exclaimed: "Kings couldn't afford this. It could only belong to a Rothschild!"

Author Frederic Morton wrote that the Rothschilds had: "conquered the World more thoroughly, more cunningly, and much more lastingly than all the Caesars before..."

As Napoleon pointed out: "Terrorism, War & Bankruptcy are caused by the privatization of money, issued as a debt and compounded by interest "- he cancelled debt and interest in France - hence the Battle of Waterloo.

Some writers have claimed that Nathan Rothschild "warned that the United States would find itself involved in a most disastrous war if the bank's charter were not renewed." (do you see the similarities here? If you don't play the game an economic disaster will fall on you and you will be destroyed.)

"There is but one power in Europe and that is Rothschild." 19th century French commentator.

Lord Rothschild (Rockefellers and Rothschilds' relatives) in his book The Shadow of a Great Man quotes a letter sent from Davidson on June 24, 1814 to Nathan Rothschild, "As long as a house is like yours, and as long as you work together with your brothers, not a house in the world will be able to compete with you, to cause you harm or to take advantage of you, for together you can undertake and perform more than any house in the world." The closeness of the Rothschild brothers is seen in a letter from Soloman (Salmon) Rothschild to his brother Nathan on Feb. 28, 1815, "We are like the mechanism of a watch: each part is essential." (2) This closeness is further seen in that of the 18 marriages made by Mayer Amschel Rothschild's grandchildren - 16 were contracted between first cousins.

"Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." The Communist Manifesto. In the case of the Bolshevik revolution, Rothschilds/ Rockefellers' Chase Bank owned the state. In the US, the FED owners "own" the state.

Rothschilds' favorite saying who along with the Rockefellers are the major Illuminati Banking Dynasties: "Who controls the issuance of money controls the government!"

Nathan Rothschild said (1777-1836): "I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply."

Rockefeller is reported to have said: "Competition is a sin". "Own nothing. Control everything". Because he wants to centralize control of everything and enslave us all, i.e. the modern Nimrod or Pharaoh.

The Rothschild were behind the colonization and occupations of India and the Rothschild owned British Petroleum was granted unlimited rights to all offshore Indian oil, which is still valid till this day.

"Give me the control of the credit of a nation, and I care not who makes the laws." The famous boastful statement of Nathaniel Meyer Rothschild, speaking to a group of international bankers, 1912: "The few who could understand the system (cheque, money, credits) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The boastful statement by Rothschild Bros. of London.

These people are the top masterminds and conspired for the creation of illegal FEDERAL RESERVE BANK in 1913: Theodore Roosevelt, Paul Warburg - Representative Of Rothschild, Woodrow Wilson - U.S. President Signed FED Into Act, Nelson W. Aldrich - Representative Of Rockefeller, Benjamin Strong - Representative Of Rockefeller, Frank A. Vanderlip - Representative Of Rockefeller, John D. Rockefeller - Rockefeller Himself, Henry Davison - Representative Of J. P. Morgan, Charles Norton - Representative Of J. P. Morgan.

In the last century, members of the British Fabian Society dynastic banking families in the City of London financed the Communist takeover of Russia. Trotsky in his biography refers to some of the loans from these British financiers going back as far as 1907. By 1917 the major subsidies and funding for the Bolshevik Revolution were co-ordinated and arranged by Sir George Buchanan and Lord Alfred Milner. [no doubt using money from Cecil Rhodes' South African gold and diamond legacy - Ed] The Communist system in Russia was a "British experiment" designed ultimately to become the Fabian Socialist model for the British takeover of the World through the UN and EU. The British plan to takeover the World and bring in a "New World Order" began with the teachings of John Ruskin and Cecil Rhodes at Oxford University. Rhodes in one of his wills in 1877 left his vast fortune to Lord Nathan Rothschild as trustee to set up the Rhodes Scholarship Program at Oxford to indoctrinate promising young graduates for the purpose, and also establish a secret society [Royal Institute of International Affairs RIIA, which branched into the Round Table, the Bilderbergers, the CFR, the Trilateral, etc -- Ed] for leading business and banking leaders around the World who would work for the City to bring in their Socialist World government.

Rothschild appointed Lord Alfred Milner to implement the plan.

Benjamin Freedman (Friedman) said this in 1961, Washington (he was a millionaire insider in international Zionist organizations, friend to 4 US presidents, and was also part of the 117-man strong Zionist delegation at the signing of the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 where Germany was forced into bankruptcy to the Zionist BankLords and social chaos): "Two years into WW1, Germany, which was then winning the war, offered Britain and France a negotiated peace deal, but German Zionist groups seeing the opportunity made a deal with Britain to get the United States into the war if Britain promised to give the Zionists Palestine."

In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay us is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey." They made that promise, in October of 1916. And shortly after that -- I don't know how many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost totally pro-German because the newspapers and mass communications media here were controlled by the Zionist bankers who owned the major commercial banks and the 12 Federal Reserve Banks (the original Stockholders of the Federal Reserve Banks in 1913 were the Rockefeller' s, JP Morgan, Rothschild's, Lazard Freres, Schoellkopf, Kuhn-Loeb, Warburgs, Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs, all with roots in Germany's Zionists like the British Royal family, J.P. Morgan, Carnegie, Bush, Rumsfeld, Clintons, the Nazis that were brought into the CIA, etc. http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml ) and they were pro-German because they wanted to use Germany to destroy the Czar of Russia and let the Communists whom they funded take over. The German Zionist bankers -- Rothschilds, Rockefeller, Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: "As long as France and England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!" They poured money into Germany, fighting with Germany against Russia, to lick the Czarist regime. The newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, then after making the deal with the British for Palestine, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. And they were no good. The Zionists in London sent cables to the US, to Justice Brandeis: "Go to work on President Wilson. We're getting from England what we want. Now you go to work, and you go to work on President Wilson and get the US into the war." And that did happen. Shortly after President Woodrow Wilson declared war on Germany.

The power of the Rothschild family was evidenced on 24 Sept 2002 when a helicopter touched down on the lawn of Waddedson Manor, their ancestral home in Buckinghamshire, England. Out of the helicopter strode Warren Buffet, - touted as the second richest man in the World but really a lower ranking player- and Arnold Schwarzenegger (the gropinator), at that time a candidate for the Governorship of California. Also in attendance at this two day meeting of the World's most powerful businessmen and financiers hosted by Jacob Rothschild were James Wolfensohn, president of the World Bank and Nicky Oppenheimer, chairman of De Beers. Arnold went on to secure the governorship of one of the biggest economies on the planet a year later. That he was initiated into the ruling class in the Rothschilds' English country manor suggests that the centre of gravity of the three hundred trillion dollar cartel is in the U.K. and Europe not the U.S.

A recent article in the London Financial Times indicates why it is impossible to gain an accurate estimate of the wealth of the trillionaire bankers. Discussing the sale of Evelyn Rothschild's stake in Rothschild Continuation Holdings, it states: ...[this] requires agreement on the valuation of privately held assets whose value has never been tested in a public market. Most of these assets are held in a complex network of tax-efficient structures around the World.

Queen Elizabeth II's shareholdings remain hidden behind Bank of England Nominee accounts. The Guardian newspaper reported in May 2002 ... "the reason for the wild variations in valuations of her private wealth can be pinned on the secrecy over her portfolio of share investments. This is because her subjects have no way of knowing through a public register of interests where she, as their head of state, chooses to invest her money. Unlike the members of the Commons and now the Lords, the Queen does not have to annually declare her interests and as a result her subjects cannot question her or know about potential conflicts of interests..." In fact, the Queen even has an extra mechanism to ensure that her investments remain secret - a nominee company called the Bank of England Nominees. It has been available for decades to the entire World's current heads of state to allow them anonymity when buying shares. Therefore, when a company publishes a share register and the Bank of England Nominees is listed, it is not possible to gauge whether the Queen, President Bush or even Saddam Hussein is the true shareholder.

By this method, the trillionaire masters of the universe remain hidden whilst Forbes magazine poses lower ranking billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett as the richest men in the World. Retired management consultant Gaylon Ross Sr, author of Who's Who of the Global Elite, has been tipped from a private source that the combined wealth of the Rockefeller family in 1998 was approx (US) $11 trillion and the Rothschilds (U.S.) $100 trillion. However something of an insider's knowledge of the hidden wealth of the elite is contained in the article, "Will the Dollar and America Fall Down on August 19?.." on page 1 of the 12th July 2001 issue of Russian newspaper Pravda. The newspaper interviewed Tatyana Koryagina, a senior research fellow in the Institute of Macroeconomic Researches subordinated to the Russian Ministry of Economic Development (Minekonom) on the subject of a recent conference concerning the fate of the U.S. economy:

Koryagina: The known history of civilization is merely the visible part of the iceberg. There is a shadow economy, shadow politics and also a shadow history, known to conspirologists. There are [unseen] forces acting in the World, unstoppable for [most powerful] countries and even continents.

Ashley Mote (EU): "Mr President, I wish to draw your attention to the Global Security Fund, set up in the early 1990s under the auspices of Jacob Rothschild. This is a Brussels-based fund and it is no ordinary fund: it does not trade, it is not listed and it has a totally different purpose. It is being used for geopolitical engineering purposes, apparently under the guidance of the intelligence services." "I have previously asked about the alleged involvement of the European Union's own intelligence resources in the management of slush funds in offshore accounts, and I still await a reply. To that question I now add another: what are the European Union's connections to the Global Security Fund and what relationship does it have with European Union institutions? "Recently, Ashley Mote of the European Union (EU) asked this volatile question in a public EU meeting, a question never answered, as Mr. Mote, merely by asking this question, was immediately scratched from the White House Christmas card list and placed on its top ten hit list. The Illuminati's cash cow, grazing freely on the World wide pasture of greenbacks, isn't called "Elsie" but instead is called the Global Security Fund, a name actually meaning in the secret cult's language Global Terrorist Fund. In simple terms, it's a gigantic illegal trust fund, estimated by undercover overseas financial investigators at 65 trillion dollars, set-up for "Illuminati rainy days" and established when it is desperately needed in a pinch for bribery, assassinations and sponsoring World wide terrorist activities to divert attention from their banking mafia. Although the fund is cloaked in secrecy and made possible by the Western civilization' s Federal Reserve banking system, investigators trying to pry into the Illuminati's secret treasure trove have uncovered some interesting facts.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/12/02/18464823.php

[Kingdom Focus]

If it is too good to be true it probably is.

This is nothing more than a cliche and I think one of the problems with cliche's is that they are simply that.

They are often designed by people who have a lot, to paralyze those who don't.

As I have taught on Biblical Financial concepts, there are many times that one takes a lifetime

of training, and the developing a wealth consciousness, then a once in a lifetime opportunity

comes along that brings incredible wealth. I had to repent(have a change of thinking) that wealth

is meant to be a blessing to those who are prepared to change, so they can be a blessing to

others.

The sad truth is that many miss it, because they are not prepared or they have developed an

anti-wealth mindset, based on cliche's.

I remember Randy Gage teaching how so much of our thinking has developed a poverty mindset

because we have been educated by the media and movies that the rich are either, bumbling fools,

or crooks and charlatans.

I stand in the place of waiting on this once in my lifetime opportunity to build a financial base for

my childrens, children, and their children.

KF

Edited December 24, 2010 by Kingdom Focus

[MPG350]

Q-Force I understand what you are saying. However there are thousands of stock all around the world that could do the same thing for anyone. I see it all the time (maybe not this magnitude, but some can make you alot of money)..Its the what ifs that stop people and even a good stock is speculative. Bill Gates does invest daily and probably makes more than this would if he got into this 6 years ago. Fact is most wealthy people use there money on a day to day basis on an investment get in and get out to build more. They put a small portion in long term. Who knows Bill may be in this anyway. Just food for thought and thanks for your post..God bless

LOL a thousand stocks that go up 10,000%

I think alot of people are going to be upeset when they only make 200 or 300%

[spexmex]

I do tend to lean toward a gradual increase in the Dinar as well. This is a country ripe for the pickin'...wealth in natural resources beyond belief which WILL lead to a VERY strong currency....this may take a while but it WILL be very profitable!! If it does go BOOM..hey I am all for it but I expect to be reading these forums for a while longer before I cash in!

Good luck to us all and have a wonderful Xmas!!

If this happens to work out like we all would like it to do, I will run down the streets naked screaming George W. and Saddam's name out loud saying "I love you guys"!!

[Econman33]

Great posts everybody. Glad to see most of us are still logical. If it goes up overnight or makes slow gains over a longer period we will all gain wealth. We will all be better off for what we have learned. I truly believe it will make one jump and Iraq

will get a lot of their currency back. And then it will go up again. Shabibi is a very educated man and knows Iraq can gain a lot of value during this process. Iraq has had a fixed exchange rate over the years and if enough capital pours in like they

are predicting in the near future, their economy will overheat and further RV's will be necessary. I'm in this for the long haul. I will say this, I give a lot of credit to those who have stuck it out over the last seven years. Happy Holidays Everyone.

[BANE]

MPG, You say lol of investments going up 10,000%?

Let's see....If I went on the show who wants to be a millionaire and answered questions my INVESTMENT just being on the show and answering ALL of them correctly will net me 1,000,000% increase. So don't laugh. It CAN be done.

[MPG350]

MPG, You say lol of investments going up 10,000%?

Let's see....If I went on the show who wants to be a millionaire and answered questions my INVESTMENT just being on the show and answering ALL of them correctly will net me 1,000,000% increase. So don't laugh. It CAN be done.

We are talking about investments not game shows

[CapitalSpending]

After all the 'false profits' on here, sometimes I really do wonder about the numbers too. Maybe we are all dreaming a bit too much.

I mean, I do believe we will have a good return, but, I also think there are going to be alot of disappointed folks out there if it doesn't

get to 3.

I agree with you Quantum and think that the numbers are above .50 and below 1.25. Just seems to make more sense for now.

And then over time, as Iraq proves themselves and improves themselves, the rate will most likely keep going up. Long haul.

[BANE]

We are talking about investments not game shows

But the same principle applies now doesn't it? Right back atcha!

[CapitalSpending]

But the same principle applies now doesn't it? Right back atcha!

I'm sure I will feel stupid after asking this, but what "principle" applies?

[JRooster]

Frank - you couldn't be more correct. This is all so new to me to be honest. I am a humble business man in America (currently own 3 seperate business' with 2 more business' coming online for 2011).

But I am more of a numbers man (despite not proofing my orig doc on here) ... that being said, Why isn't Bill Gates or Warren Buffet buying all of these Dinars?

Will there be Trillionares after the RV?

In theory all the USofA needs to invest is approximately 13 Billion (or even less if big RV) to pay off the National Debt. I believe these are reasonable questions.

Well its rumored that they have much more than that in the treasurey...

"I have a way to pay for this war." -George Bush Jr.-

Another rumor is that Donald Trump bought up 35 mil's worth about 2 to 3 months ago.

I've talked to many a rich folk in the past year or so. I brought up the Dinar and they cringed. I said what's that about?

They said "Hey, by all means go for it, I just personaly do not invest in currencies, not my bag. Too many wheels turning and uncontrollable factors there. Not too mention its a war zone."

So what I'm saying is, just because they have the money, doesnt mean they would invest. I know a lot of you are caught up in the moments of RV Monday!!!! This is a very complex investment. Takes a lot of tracking and RESEARCH of your own to truely play the currency exchange game. Most people more or less like to keep their money at bay. Once you have millions, whats the point you know. There's really only so much money you need in life.

[xxxgator]

I think some of you need to read about the marshal plan in germany post ww2 .That's exactly what thew bush administration has put in place here .BUsh was no rocket scientist ! He was however smart enough to know if it worked once it'll probably work again.He didn't re-invent anything .He just put a very old tactic back into play.

Iraq by the way had a solid currancy before sadamm Huesaine.

As far as being realistic goes i would rather expect what shabibi has stated is going to happen than expect ten cent's .Witch by the way would take the country a century to rebuild fore lack of money.Also logic dictates that the region will have a fit [like kuwait if iraq rv's higher than them] Logic also dictates it will be at the very least higher than the USD .Why we have like a 15 trillion dollar debt thanks to our mentally challanged polititions and astronomical inflation in the past 5 -10 years.They have a strong gdp[oil] ours is mainly grains and foods i beleive.[Could be off on this one a little]

My point it is illogical for them to start off in the world wide market handicapped unnessasarilly,as well as being over valued!

If they come to the forex weak the speculator's will buy Iraq cheap and Iraq will never get out from the hole The Us. AND sadamm has dug for them.It would be far more benificial to come out with a more realistic rate right from the gate .It will be cheaper for them with the small amount of speculator's involved vs. the entire world once on forex with a low rate and every stock /forex broker in the world screaming buy Iraq cheap it's going to sky rocket.

Also as to a 3000% percent return remark by some one.your math is incorrectIf your paying 1Us penny for 1 dinar then at 3.22 you would be making 3225 or 322penny's on 1 dinar!

My point i've seen investment portfolio's that show Starting with$ 250.00 and over a year of making various commoddity trades with the same money being rolled into the right trades turning into 2-5 million.Ive actually followed one particular trader fore a year watching his progress and seen larger return's .Some of his play's would be considered extremely high risk yet the guy continually and consistantly makes a great deal of money.My point there are other investment vehichles that have high risk and the pay off is big as well.So it's not as unattainable to reap great financial reward

JMo peace

Above the figure 3225 is a typing error it should be 322.Sorry!

322% actually

[Trimark]

According to this calculator the difference between .008 and 3.22 is 40,150%.

If we assume that the rate will be over 10 cents then that means we will get over a 1000% return. Not a bad return at all but not nearly as good as a 10,000% return.

[xxxgator]

trimark, First i'm paing like 270plus shipping for 250,000 dinar that's more than a penny apeicefor a dinar.Secondif 1penny is 1% of a hundred penny's then then 100penny's is 100%of 1 dollar USD x3 = 300% or 3.22 =322 pennies or 322% gain in usd

[xxxgator]

Math ; 3.22x 0.01= 0.0322 or3.22 Usd cost after rv cost before rv 0.01 USd=0.0322% increase in value.So as stated above cost for 1 dinar before rv. 0.0100 USD which is equal to 1% or of one USD or after rv. 1 dinar is equal to 3.22 USD or which would be a 321% gain.Just count the penny's as equivalent to 1 percent because thats what they represent in our ten based monetary system.Thanks for keepin me on my toes i actually checked my math.you had me scratching my head.Peace

[Trimark]

xxxgator I will be the first to admit my math is not the best. That's why I have to use a calculator as I trust what it comes up with more than I do what I come up with.

With the calculator I listed you enter two numbers and it gives the percentage increase between the two numbers. If I enter .01 (for one cent) as you suggest and 3.22, the calculator shows the difference as 32100%.

Again, I'm not questioning your math - as what you say makes sense to me, the difference between .01 and 3.22 is 321 - but since we are figuring percentages not straight differences it isn't as straightforward a process like figuring the differences. Instead of working down from the final amount of 3.22 to determine the percentage, we have to work up to it.

For example, when figuring percentages, the difference between 1 penny and 2 pennies is 100% not 1% as we are doubling our money. We did have one penny, now we have 2. So, every time we go up a penny that's another 100% increase from the original amount so the difference in percentages between 1 penny and 10 pennies is 1000%, yes?

[xxxgator]

Tri- mark i'm not critisizing .If you go take one dollar x.015 or 15% you should get the same answer.I work at !5% of contracts as a sub contractor all the time in the Alluminum contractor buisness.You are right in the state ment two pennies is 100% gain of the value of one penny. Our money is a ten based system.You spent 1 penny for 1 dinar if it went to a round number like $3.00 Usd for 1 dinar .Take the 1 x 300= 300 so your gain is 300% because it take 300 penny's to make $3.00 All the math is about is moving or removing the decimal point.It is a 300% gain because you have increased your value or holdings 300x what you had .

I actually found myself confused at the math on your link.So i went to my pocket calculator and did it 3 different ways and come out with the same answers.Now maybe i'm not seeing what you are doing diferently but i'm pretty confident in the above statement.

I 'am in no way trying to be a smart @** just confused about where the original poster came up with his numbers.If there is something i have missed feel free to show me in an equation it won't ruffle my feathers at all.

Thanks for the reply Trimark! Peace

Sorry the first equation should read 0.15 not .015

also trimark if you take the decimal and put it inbetween the 00's of your equation you have the same answer .So maybye the calculator app is not placing the decimal correctly or at all.What you have shown 32100 would be everything moved to the left of the decimal point.If you take the decimal and move it 2 to the left 321.00 you have my answer.

[Trimark]

xxxgator, I don't take it as criticism at all. I think we're just two dinar holders trying to figure this stuff out. Mutual discovery is a wonderful thing.

As I said math is not my strong suit and what you say does make sense but it seems to me that you are figuring that the percentage and the times increase are the same but I don't think they are.

Again, I could be wrong but here's how I see it:

I get what you are saying here:

Take the 1 x 300= 300 so your gain is 300% because it take 300 penny's to make $3.00

But I think the gain of 300 times your investment - which I agree with - is not the same as the percentage increase. So, while yes, it's a 300x increase over the original amount, the percentage increase between the two amounts is actually much higher.

The gains increase needs to be multiplied by 100 in order to determine the percentage increase. So, the 300x gain x 100 = a 30000% gain which is consistent with what the percentage calculator says. In other words, I think that you're right that it's a gain of 300 times the original investment, but that gain represents a percentage increase over the original investment of 30000%.

Again, I could be wrong but that's just how I see it.

[xxxgator]

B)Thats the mistake i beleive trimark, you are multiplying times 100! If you have 1penny t[the cost of the dinar at purchace] then you have 1% of a USD. The percentage increase is the same because our system is base 10.One is 1 percent of a hundred or a dollar.10 is 10% 20is 20% 30 is 30% so on.So if your penny turns to 30cents you have made a 29% gain from what you had 30cents - the 1 penny you started with.The number 1 represents the cost of 1 dinar if it changes value[ 3.22 per dinar ] it has increased in value 321x + the 1 penny you started with.So if 3.21 is the increase x1 {thee original cost of the dinar 1% of a dollar or 0.0100] you have increased your holdings 321%.Hope fully that helps you to see it .I really don't know any other way of explaining it Any one else is welcome to join in.I'm 99.5% sure i'am correct though.

The important thing is to remember Is the percentaage value of 1 penny does not change Because it is the dirrivitive percentage of 100 or 1USD.

Hope that helps if not ask somebody you know who is really good at math.Some times having people show it to you in front of you is how the bells and whistles go off

If i've made it more confusing in my explanation i oppologize.Peace

[Trimark]

xxxgator I see what you are saying but it seems to me that you are working backwards from $1 to get the percentage gain from that amount and not going up from 1 to 100.

It seems to me that you are doing this by saying 1 penny is 1% of $1 USD so a gain of 1 penny is just a 1% increase but that can't possibly be true because there is a 100% gain when one penny doubles to 2 pennies. The percentage gain is measured from what you start with not what you end up with. So, if I start with one penny and it goes up to a value of 5 pennies then my return is a 500% gain (which can also be stated as 5 times my original investment) not 5% as in your scenario.

To me the percentage gain is not figured by seeing the percentage based on the dollar scale but instead it works up from the 1 cent so every penny that it goes up is a 100% gain from the original amount.

I think my explanation may be confusing as well so perhaps we should just agree to disagree on this one. Like you said, hopefully someone who is good at math will come along and provide more elucidation on the matter for both of us.

It is my sincere hope this will all be a moot point very soon because really I could care less about the percentages I just want the RV to happen already so I can cash in and get on with my life.

[xxxgator]

Trimark had my buddie Doc 31 look at the math and as you stated we are both correct but my calculations didnot line up because i was still using the 1 as a factor when reallistically 1 penny buys 10 dinar not one .I over simplified my own explanation to a factor of 1.As soon as doc31 sent the e-mail to me and pointed out what i was doing .I saw the percentage difference.I wanted you to know you are right and i was definately wrong in the percentage gained equation.All it took was some one really exeptional at math to show me my mistake.Thanks tri-mark for sticking to your guns politely and keeping me interested enough to follow it through.Thanks Doc31 for showing me my mistake it is much apreciated

[CapitalSpending]

So here is my question and I hope it isn't too newbie, but

I see so many times that folks on here refer to the 27Trillion Dinar.

And most seem to believe that 70% or 80% of that has been removed

from circulation.

Is there a link to that information that someone can provide.

This may indeed be the most telling of the whole story.

Because if all 27 Trillion is still in circulation, then I just find it hard to believe

that there would be any major RV like many on here believe.

Please help me with my thinking if I am flawed.

I really like this thread and have read everyone on here. Might be the most informative

on the site, at least for a newbie.

[Trimark]

xxxgator thanks for following up on this and checking with Doc31. He's one smart guy. I'm glad he found we were both right on this. I appreciate our conversation very much. It's so nice to have a civil conversation without having to be worried about getting blasted with (-'s) or having bashers chime in. Peace, my friend.

[quantumforce1]

So here is my question and I hope it isn't too newbie, but

I see so many times that folks on here refer to the 27Trillion Dinar.

And most seem to believe that 70% or 80% of that has been removed

from circulation.

Is there a link to that information that someone can provide.

This may indeed be the most telling of the whole story.

Because if all 27 Trillion is still in circulation, then I just find it hard to believe

that there would be any major RV like many on here believe.

Please help me with my thinking if I am flawed.

I really like this thread and have read everyone on here. Might be the most informative

on the site, at least for a newbie.

CS -- just saw this post, sorry for the delay. Actually, I too would love to know if there are any links concerning this.

Actually I haven't been around the Dinar for much more time than you.

Thanks for stepping out and posting on here..

Peace & Good Day

[USMC_2674]

trimark, First i'm paing like 270plus shipping for 250,000 dinar that's more than a penny apeicefor a dinar.Secondif 1penny is 1% of a hundred penny's then then 100penny's is 100%of 1 dollar USD x3 = 300% or 3.22 =322 pennies or 322% gain in usd

If you are paying $270 + shipping for 250,000 dinar thats far LESS than a penny per Dinar.

Lets say it is $300 after shipping. $300 / 250,000 = 0.0012 or just over a TENTH of one penny. Basically every penny buys you 8 dinar at that price.

I'll let you retry the math with the proper foundation before going into the rest of your formula for you.