What if Islam and/or Christianity never existed?

[Bandit795]

Check this out guys, interesting videos, but this is just this guy's opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nelg]

The "what if . . ." questions are extremely subjective and any opinion will fly, simply because no one knows what would or could have happened.  All conclusions are baseless for the prime foundation is suppositional.  

 

One thing I do know, the individual making the tape knows little about the nature Christianity.  Christianity was planned by God from before the foundation of the world.  That plan  was predestined and foreknow because of the nature and condition of mankind.  It was in a mess and getting worse.  The plan of God was to bring "salvation" into the world through one "seed," Jesus; who would be the seed of humanity and the seed of God.  The Israelite nation, Judaism, was formed to keep the bloodline of promised seed from being lost in the maze of hatred and sin.  Thus, God gave to Israel a strict and detailed law to make sure the seed-line remained.  Those laws were not only the basis of life for a nation, but the foundation teaching for all nations.  

When Jesus came into the world it was through this eternal plan of God.  This was the seed Who was both God and man, or God who had come in the flesh.  Jesus did not come into the world to establish another religion, but to give mankind a way of escaping sin and death.  His sacrificial death on the cross means nothing without His resurrection from the grave.  He did show us a new life of love and kindness to live, but that to would have meant nothing without the resurrection from the dead.  It was the resurrection that proved Him to be the Son of God with power.  

Christianity is not a religion that seeks for power over others.  It does not seek to build grand buildings, gather the treasures of the world,  or establish a political hierarchal struggle that puts them in competition with political rivals.  Nor does it take up arms to invade and destroy.  Religions of human origin do.  

Christianity, since it has been planned, kept, and completed by God, and since it's purpose was to help mankind find their way back to the One True God,  the entire world would be incredibly more vile, violent, corrupt, and murderous if Christianity had not been around.  

 

Again, the author of the two videos views Christianity as only a man-made and controlled religion.  It is not.  And, because he knows little of Christianity, he lumps it into "religions of men" with the same drives and teachings of humans.  But his ignorance is not unique.  Many unbelievers create similar scenarios because of the same ignorance.  

[Bandit795]

Ironically, a muslim would be saying very similar words to yours about the islam video.

[umbertino]

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Christianity was planned by God from before the foundation of the world.

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Probably Muslims think exactly the same thing about Islam and Allah

 

[divemaster5734]

Ironically, a muslim would be saying very similar words to yours about the islam video.

 

 

 

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Christianity was planned by God from before the foundation of the world.

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Probably Muslims think exactly the same thing about Islam and Allah

 

 

 

 

Nope.

 

Muslims proudly claim they have only "real" religion.

 

Christian means "follower of Christ".

 

Christian has nothing to do with religion.

 

It was the religious leaders of His time that murdered Him.

 

All religions were created by someone in order to control someone else.

 

All any true Christian does is follow the teaching of Jesus Christ.

 

You might want to read up on the teachings of the Quran.

 

You'd probably be shocked about what Muslims are instructed to do to any non-Muslim.

 

Don't believe the media, there will always be "radicalized" ones, they are just following orders in the Quran.

[Jim1cor13]

Here is something to consider about 'religion'. Religion never equates to God,

it is mens traditions that become 'religion' and we see these traditions all

over no matter the label. Let's look at the 5 Pat's:

 

Imagine, for a moment, that your name is “Pat.” And imagine that instead of just one of you being born,

you are one of five quintuplets. Also imagine that the five of you were separated at birth and raised in

different countries….

 

The first Pat was raised in the USA.

 

The second Pat was raised in Saudi Arabia.

 

The third Pat was raised in Thailand.

 

The fourth Pat was raised in India.

 

The fifth Pat was raised in Russia.

 

Now imagine that you, the American Pat, grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the USA, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to church. “If you want to be with God,” they explained, “you need to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to church and became a devoted Christian.

 

The second you, the Saudi Arabian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the Middle East, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to mosque. “If you want to be with Allah,” they explained, “you need to follow the writings of Muhammad, Allah’s True Prophet.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to mosque and became a devoted Muslim.

 

The third you, the Thai Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the Far East, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to temple. “If you want spiritual enlightenment,” they explained, “you need to study the teachings of the Buddha.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to temple and became a devoted Buddhist.

 

The fourth you, the Indian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in South Asia, everyone you consulted about God told you to go bathe in the sacred water of the Ganges. “If you want a spiritual life,” they explained, “you need to follow the teachings of the Vedas.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to the Ganges and became a devoted Hindu.

 

The fifth you, the Russian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in Russia, everyone you consulted about God told you to not believe in such superstitious nonsense. “Religion is just a collection of fairy tales,” they explained, “and it is the opiate of the masses.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you rejected the idea of God and became a steadfast Atheist.

 

So in each place you grew up, the people around you had a unique set of ideas about God, and each you grew to accept the ideas you were raised with. But which Pat has the right ideas? Which Pat are you?

 

Now imagine that the five Pats have a reunion, and you all meet around a table. When the subject swings around to God, conflict erupts. Each Pat is utterly convinced that the others are embracing false faiths, so you begin to deconstruct each other’s religions, idea by idea. One by one, you disprove each idea that is scientifically false or spiritually questionable. The debate rages for days. Eventually, as you dispatch each myth and absurdity of your differing faiths, you come to see that they are all wrong. And in losing your religions, you find God, just as the man thrown out of the synagogue, who came face to face with Christ, outside of the "boxed mind" of religion.

 

He was waiting for him, but one must venture outside the familiar surroundings, in which so few dare to walk due to fear. it is always easier to accept anothers version than to truly seek with ones heart what is true and who is truth. In that place there is no slavery and no bondage, no bickering, nor violence. It is not of this world, and never can be.

[dog53]

Of course we would still be having wars.

Its the nature of the beast. 

Instead of religion it could be something as simple as

THOSE people dont eat the crust of the bread.

THEY should be killed. We have came along way down the road

as far as killing each other in great wars as such in the past.

But those great wars would have happened anyway with or with out

religion .  Most early wars were fought over territory anyway 

The I WANT YOUR LAND syndrome.   

[Jim1cor13]

 

The I WANT YOUR LAND syndrome. 

 

So true and so sad dog53. Goes back to ancient history,

and usually justified either by religions or just plain old greed.

 

It is indeed the nature of the beast, some always find a reason

to fight or steal.

Edited June 4, 2015 by Jim1cor13

[thegente]

Here is something to consider about 'religion'. Religion never equates to God,

it is mens traditions that become 'religion' and we see these traditions all

over no matter the label. Let's look at the 5 Pat's:

 

Imagine, for a moment, that your name is “Pat.” And imagine that instead of just one of you being born,

you are one of five quintuplets. Also imagine that the five of you were separated at birth and raised in

different countries….

 

The first Pat was raised in the USA.

 

The second Pat was raised in Saudi Arabia.

 

The third Pat was raised in Thailand.

 

The fourth Pat was raised in India.

 

The fifth Pat was raised in Russia.

 

Now imagine that you, the American Pat, grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the USA, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to church. “If you want to be with God,” they explained, “you need to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to church and became a devoted Christian.

 

The second you, the Saudi Arabian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the Middle East, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to mosque. “If you want to be with Allah,” they explained, “you need to follow the writings of Muhammad, Allah’s True Prophet.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to mosque and became a devoted Muslim.

 

The third you, the Thai Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the Far East, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to temple. “If you want spiritual enlightenment,” they explained, “you need to study the teachings of the Buddha.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to temple and became a devoted Buddhist.

 

The fourth you, the Indian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in South Asia, everyone you consulted about God told you to go bathe in the sacred water of the Ganges. “If you want a spiritual life,” they explained, “you need to follow the teachings of the Vedas.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to the Ganges and became a devoted Hindu.

 

The fifth you, the Russian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in Russia, everyone you consulted about God told you to not believe in such superstitious nonsense. “Religion is just a collection of fairy tales,” they explained, “and it is the opiate of the masses.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you rejected the idea of God and became a steadfast Atheist.

 

So in each place you grew up, the people around you had a unique set of ideas about God, and each you grew to accept the ideas you were raised with. But which Pat has the right ideas? Which Pat are you?

 

Now imagine that the five Pats have a reunion, and you all meet around a table. When the subject swings around to God, conflict erupts. Each Pat is utterly convinced that the others are embracing false faiths, so you begin to deconstruct each other’s religions, idea by idea. One by one, you disprove each idea that is scientifically false or spiritually questionable. The debate rages for days. Eventually, as you dispatch each myth and absurdity of your differing faiths, you come to see that they are all wrong. And in losing your religions, you find God, just as the man thrown out of the synagogue, who came face to face with Christ, outside of the "boxed mind" of religion.

 

He was waiting for him, but one must venture outside the familiar surroundings, in which so few dare to walk due to fear. it is always easier to accept anothers version than to truly seek with ones heart what is true and who is truth. In that place there is no slavery and no bondage, no bickering, nor violence. It is not of this world, and never can be.

Great story Jim...makes one think!

Of course we would still be having wars.

Its the nature of the beast. 

Instead of religion it could be something as simple as

THOSE people dont eat the crust of the bread.

THEY should be killed. We have came along way down the road

as far as killing each other in great wars as such in the past.

But those great wars would have happened anyway with or with out

religion .  Most early wars were fought over territory anyway 

The I WANT YOUR LAND syndrome.   

Yep, land, resources, and riches, LONG before religion was a factor.

[Nelg]

Ironically, a muslim would be saying very similar words to yours about the islam video.

But I can't talk for the Muslim.  I am a spokesman for God.  

 

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Christianity was planned by God from before the foundation of the world.

End Quote

Probably Muslims think exactly the same thing about Islam and Allah

 

 

There teaching does not proclaim that it was prepared by God from eternity.  Christianity and the Bible does.  

[Nelg]

Here is something to consider about 'religion'. Religion never equates to God,

it is mens traditions that become 'religion' and we see these traditions all

over no matter the label. Let's look at the 5 Pat's:

 

Imagine, for a moment, that your name is “Pat.” And imagine that instead of just one of you being born,

you are one of five quintuplets. Also imagine that the five of you were separated at birth and raised in

different countries….

 

The first Pat was raised in the USA.

 

The second Pat was raised in Saudi Arabia.

 

The third Pat was raised in Thailand.

 

The fourth Pat was raised in India.

 

The fifth Pat was raised in Russia.

 

Now imagine that you, the American Pat, grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the USA, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to church. “If you want to be with God,” they explained, “you need to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to church and became a devoted Christian.

 

The second you, the Saudi Arabian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the Middle East, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to mosque. “If you want to be with Allah,” they explained, “you need to follow the writings of Muhammad, Allah’s True Prophet.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to mosque and became a devoted Muslim.

 

The third you, the Thai Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the Far East, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to temple. “If you want spiritual enlightenment,” they explained, “you need to study the teachings of the Buddha.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to temple and became a devoted Buddhist.

 

The fourth you, the Indian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in South Asia, everyone you consulted about God told you to go bathe in the sacred water of the Ganges. “If you want a spiritual life,” they explained, “you need to follow the teachings of the Vedas.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to the Ganges and became a devoted Hindu.

 

The fifth you, the Russian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in Russia, everyone you consulted about God told you to not believe in such superstitious nonsense. “Religion is just a collection of fairy tales,” they explained, “and it is the opiate of the masses.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you rejected the idea of God and became a steadfast Atheist.

 

So in each place you grew up, the people around you had a unique set of ideas about God, and each you grew to accept the ideas you were raised with. But which Pat has the right ideas? Which Pat are you?

 

Now imagine that the five Pats have a reunion, and you all meet around a table. When the subject swings around to God, conflict erupts. Each Pat is utterly convinced that the others are embracing false faiths, so you begin to deconstruct each other’s religions, idea by idea. One by one, you disprove each idea that is scientifically false or spiritually questionable. The debate rages for days. Eventually, as you dispatch each myth and absurdity of your differing faiths, you come to see that they are all wrong. And in losing your religions, you find God, just as the man thrown out of the synagogue, who came face to face with Christ, outside of the "boxed mind" of religion.

 

He was waiting for him, but one must venture outside the familiar surroundings, in which so few dare to walk due to fear. it is always easier to accept anothers version than to truly seek with ones heart what is true and who is truth. In that place there is no slavery and no bondage, no bickering, nor violence. It is not of this world, and never can be.

Correct.  It is Christ and always has been.  In Him is life, and not religion.  

Of course we would still be having wars.

Its the nature of the beast. 

Instead of religion it could be something as simple as

THOSE people dont eat the crust of the bread.

THEY should be killed. We have came along way down the road

as far as killing each other in great wars as such in the past.

But those great wars would have happened anyway with or with out

religion .  Most early wars were fought over territory anyway 

The I WANT YOUR LAND syndrome.   

Not if their nature is changed, and that change comes about by being born again, from above.  The old nature dies and a new person lives.  When we die to self, the Spirit works in us to create the image of Christ.  

Wars and our unruly nature that demands OUR way or the highway is the nature that has never been changed.

Great story Jim...makes one think!

Yep, land, resources, and riches, LONG before religion was a factor.

Yet faith in God has been around from day one.  The religions of man started soon after man started straying away from God.  They had to have something to believe in, so they made up their own.  

[umbertino]

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All religions were created by someone in order to control someone else.

End Quote

 That I agree with...All religions.

 

Here is something to consider about 'religion'. Religion never equates to God,

it is mens traditions that become 'religion' and we see these traditions all

over no matter the label. Let's look at the 5 Pat's:

 

Imagine, for a moment, that your name is “Pat.” And imagine that instead of just one of you being born,

you are one of five quintuplets. Also imagine that the five of you were separated at birth and raised in

different countries….

 

The first Pat was raised in the USA.

 

The second Pat was raised in Saudi Arabia.

 

The third Pat was raised in Thailand.

 

The fourth Pat was raised in India.

 

The fifth Pat was raised in Russia.

 

Now imagine that you, the American Pat, grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the USA, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to church. “If you want to be with God,” they explained, “you need to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to church and became a devoted Christian.

 

The second you, the Saudi Arabian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the Middle East, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to mosque. “If you want to be with Allah,” they explained, “you need to follow the writings of Muhammad, Allah’s True Prophet.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to mosque and became a devoted Muslim.

 

The third you, the Thai Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in the Far East, everyone you consulted about God told you to go to temple. “If you want spiritual enlightenment,” they explained, “you need to study the teachings of the Buddha.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to temple and became a devoted Buddhist.

 

The fourth you, the Indian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in South Asia, everyone you consulted about God told you to go bathe in the sacred water of the Ganges. “If you want a spiritual life,” they explained, “you need to follow the teachings of the Vedas.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you went to the Ganges and became a devoted Hindu.

 

The fifth you, the Russian Pat, also grew to have an interest in God and a desire to be a good person, so you sought out God in the world around you. Because you were raised in Russia, everyone you consulted about God told you to not believe in such superstitious nonsense. “Religion is just a collection of fairy tales,” they explained, “and it is the opiate of the masses.” Accepting these views from the authority figures and peers around you, you rejected the idea of God and became a steadfast Atheist.

 

So in each place you grew up, the people around you had a unique set of ideas about God, and each you grew to accept the ideas you were raised with. But which Pat has the right ideas? Which Pat are you?

 

Now imagine that the five Pats have a reunion, and you all meet around a table. When the subject swings around to God, conflict erupts. Each Pat is utterly convinced that the others are embracing false faiths, so you begin to deconstruct each other’s religions, idea by idea. One by one, you disprove each idea that is scientifically false or spiritually questionable. The debate rages for days. Eventually, as you dispatch each myth and absurdity of your differing faiths, you come to see that they are all wrong. And in losing your religions, you find God, just as the man thrown out of the synagogue, who came face to face with Christ, outside of the "boxed mind" of religion.

 

He was waiting for him, but one must venture outside the familiar surroundings, in which so few dare to walk due to fear. it is always easier to accept anothers version than to truly seek with ones heart what is true and who is truth. In that place there is no slavery and no bondage, no bickering, nor violence. It is not of this world, and never can be.

Agreed and grazie.