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  1. Hi CL and thanks. My take in summary form The current situation from what I can tell is due in part to "lock downs" and covid restrictions that decimated demand early on, companies had to adjust inventories, food services had to adjust inventories, some were lucky enough to be able to return some back to food vendors that service those accounts. Farmers had a terrible situation on their hands, milk producers had to destroy inventories early on, farmers saw rotting crops, etc. The demand tanked from late March of 2020 to early fall of 2020. As time progressed, demand began picking up by the end of 2020, and producers were simply not prepared for it, walking that fine line between inventory costs and being able to meet market demands. As demand grew in early 2021 it was obvious supply chain kinks were already being seen, and as always, the predatory companies saw opportunity to push the situation and increase prices much more than they actually had to, citing transportation costs, etc. Prices rise quickly when supply cannot meet demand. We are still in that cycle, prices still rising and demand has not stopped growing. We are in this cycle for probably another year, where some things will remain difficult to find, food prices will continue to rise, likely another 10% the next year? Not to mention severe labor shortages that add to the kinks in the system. Bottom line I see is the fact this entire lock down, covid scheme as it has progressed was not well thought out at all. As much as it appears nefarious, the truth is companies were tasked with going months with reduced demand, growing losses and slowing production in order to stay afloat. Reality hit when demand exploded, which someone SHOULD have foreseen...but rather they continued to focus upon everything BUT demand increases, pent up demand that was simply far too great to manage. Focus was upon covid mitigation, "vaccine" development, even though there were already effective treatments already available...but that was not profitable for pharma and their clans. Medical mafia took charge... It is a mess, and a terrible oversight by everyone involved since March of 2020, Biden has not helped matters at all, with his constant focus and mumbling about covid, while the basic necessities of the country are overshadowed by other issues that are really not important at this time. The politicians can whine all they want about covid, but they are complicit in making the situation much worse than it ever had to be. There are multiple crimes that have been committed by politicians and the medical system...that is a fact. Govt. failed...miserably. They failed to foresee a proper end game to what happens when you illegally kill the economy, restrict the flow of commerce, lock down people and force them to work from home...when all that ends...BOOM. Just terrible planning. But no one was prepared for that BOOM. Companies are experiencing severe labor shortages which also hampers progress. It was a tidal wave experience in economic activity and demand is far greater than the supply, add lack of labor participants, and we have a serious problem...absolutely terrible long term planning on both sides in Washington. Have a good day CL.
  2. Thanks Mark, but few ever seem to vet some of these is easier to just spread fear, it doesn't matter if it is valid or not, people just believe it, no facts or evidence necessary as long as it supports their world views or beliefs. So many half truths or outright misinfo pieces going around now, it is mind boggling. Is it any wonder some folks live in fear of their own shadows? In regards to this video... For instance, TikTok creator and farmer, @neflyinfarmer, posted a video earlier this month showing a letter and binders that the USDA allegedly sent him, ordering him to destroy his crops. But when he shows the USDA letterhead, it’s marked January 2018 — a fact that many users pointed out in the comments, calling the creator out for fake news. Even though the video spread misinformation, as it was viewed nearly 700,000 times, fortunately, the creator does make it clear in the comments that he was joking. More detail at the link below: Government Forcing Farmers to Destroy Crops? Subsidies Take Care of That (
  3. Mark was being sarcastic, echoing your own words about losing "a lot of dumb people". Sounds a little callous doesn't it? Maybe a better more compassionate choice of words next time you pass judgment upon someone while you invoke your religion to make it appear you actually care about those "dumb" people.
  4. If we read this carefully, and think about what is being stated...this should explain a lot as to why we often do what we do, and that often without thinking. Thought this went well with your video Scott...
  5. That video I think was a very well done presentation, gets right to the point of how the game is played, and has been for literally all of human history. We're watching it now, and have been for a very long time...gradual mass psychosis and a lot of people suffering from being mentally raped for so long. I posted this the other day in a thread...everything is pushing fear today, because it works...if we allow it. No matter who it is, politics, religion, finance, every facet of life has those who use fear to gain power over others. We all really need to remind those that play the fear game to get out of the way...all of them, just get out of the way and let people live freely. The mind has always been the target... I fully understand your wife's thoughts...believe me, I have never seen so many people so divided and not thinking straight. The moment they open their mouth...there it is. Thanks for the posting this...I hope more folks take time to listen and realize how the fear game is used, and I hope they walk away from that game, no matter the source.
  6. Indeed, much of this was very predictable. School openings soon...already hearing the hysteria. In my opinion, much of our society are experiencing a form of PTSD, and that can be terrible...all due to the constant fear and gradual mental trauma over time. We have to maintain an open mind, learn to think for ourselves...or someone else will definitely think for us and I do not see that as an option. Everything appears to be wrapped in agenda now, even some sources of alt. media. Fear is the most useful tool...unfortunately. It sucks the life out of all of us if we allow it. Past flu seasons have been in many ways higher numbers than covid, more hospitalizations and more sick...and we never heard a word about them. We're being played in many ways I think.
  7. I forgot to mention...we used to spend over $100 per bottle when we first started taking CBD oil. It was very good oil, but after we found the Swanson brand, its quality has been very comparable to what we were spending 3 times more for. Paying a higher price for something does not always mean you are getting a superior quality product, this seems true for CBD oil also. A lot of companies grabbed some serious dollars for this early on, but as more companies got into the scene, prices have come down. Supply and demand in action I guess.
  8. Excellent and well said @md11fr8dawg All that is pushed is fear all day every day. We all want to be left alone and make out own choices. We have chosen not to participate in the experimental mRNA shots. We see no need to do so, and I do not trust the medical mafia for the most part, they are all making billions on top of the fear. We take supporting supplements, eat healthy and keep a balanced mind. Too many injuries and harm done if one digs through the VAERS reporting. In my opinion, any "mandated" medical procedures are illegal and all about the money. You are in charge of your health...not anyone else. I have family that do not want to be around my wife and I because of our choice not to participate. We are viewed as being "irresponsible". I explained to them the reason for our choices...also based upon science, this is not a "vaccine". It is gene therapy, we have no interest in that at all. They see it differently...sadly. They are genuinely scared, but we are not their threat...the voices they listen to ARE their threat to their sanity. Everyone has a choice for now...we shouldn't make those choices based upon fear, but I am seeing bizarre behavior from some folks so scared that they stopped living a year ago. I have heard of other families where they are being torn apart and not permitted to see their families if they are not "vaccinated" due to fear and believing everything they are told and the associated hype. Yes, people get sick, but this was never a reason to shut down the entire global economy, and in my opinion, it has never risen to "pandemic" levels if compared to previous severe flu seasons where 40+ million people got sick, 800,000 plus being hospitalized...this was 2017-2018 flu season...and we heard nothing about it. So we are beyond really is a mass psychosis, keeping people in a state of fear and mental trauma. This appears to have been the agenda since 9/11...covid broke us even worse my opinion. Bizarre...and seriously sad.
  9. Thanks Bigwave. Cannabis is an amazing plant. We have been taking CBD oil since early 2016. The last 2 years or so we found a good source, very reasonable price and it is "Full Spectrum", which we have liked best. Full spectrum contains more cannabinoids in addition to CBD (Cannabidiol). We buy the 'extra strength' 2 oz. bottle at Swanson Vitamins, usually well under $40 per bottle. Currently, the Swanson brand "Extra Strength CBD Full Spectrum - Mint" is priced at $34.41 for a 2 oz. bottle. It has been very effective for us. Some folks are expecting more of a "buzz" effect...what they want is not only the relaxation benefits, but what the CBD does inside the body. Here is the latest COA analysis of the most recent batch as of March 2021. Impressive numbers I think. lot 392008001 COA.pdf
  10. I think this video goes along well with this is called Mass Psychosis - How an Entire Population Becomes Mentally Ill I think we are watching this unfold, and has been the last 20 years. The usual factors involved such as fear and mental trauma. This video explains how the game is played. Very good presentation well worth watching...I know some folks that are simply not thinking straight, and I think it is PTSD from swallowing so much propaganda. Just my opinion...I also think we were fooled...again in regards to covid. Much of what we have seen the last 15 months has been criminal in my opinion. I have siblings that refuse to be around me and my wife because we are not interested in getting the mRNA injections. sad. Have a good night guys...
  11. Kevin, I am thrilled to hear this in regards to your wife. Similar situation here. My wife was diagnosed with stage 2B cervical cancer in 2015...she had a tumor the size of a grapefruit with massive blood loss and nearly died a few times during treatment. Somehow, she came through it and after 6 years she is doing awesome. She takes supplements, and shortly after her treatment she began taking CBD oil and continues to do so the last 5 years. I prayed for her...but never begged. I told "god" if I had to beg for her life, then take mine, because that would just make him a monster. I was very angry, at several things at the time. That she was sick and suffering, and the suffering I witnessed in other sick people. It changed my life and I found compassion for others, no matter what they believed or thought, it was heartbreaking to see it, not just with my wife, but in so many others in the oncology unit as well as radiology. Her recovery was "miraculous" also...after having so much radiation and after almost dying after her 5th chemo treatment, her wise radiologist told her to stop all chemo...he wanted her off it before he began her cervical radiology. She was burned so badly by the first 6 weeks of radiation she rec'd locally, it was just so sad. Then she finished with her cervical brachytherapy and her recovery was amazing. Was it "god"? I have no evidence of that, although I did pray for her, I could not take credit away from her doctors. How could I claim "god" intervened with her, when I saw so many others so sick and dying, and so many praying for their loved ones with seemingly no result? It made no sense to me then or now, but I am very grateful she is doing so well. I cannot prove anything else, and I know too many that lost their loved ones and I have no explanation for them other than time can heal but the wound never goes away. I did have a bad experience for years within the church...people that were only your friend if you agreed with them...I saw things and manipulation within the church I could write a book about. Corruption, lies and mental manipulation while they praised their god. So yes, I was hurt...I spent many years observing and I would not turn a blind eye to some things I witnessed. I lost friends because I walked away from it all...they were hypocrites but we all are to some degree I guess. It was liberating to walk away for me and stop living in fear. I loved those folks, and everything was great...until I disagreed with their beliefs and tactics. I also saw some pushed towards mental illness during my years there. I witnessed an "exorcism" done on a made me sick to see how they treated him...he actually went on to have to be institutionalized. When someone claims another has "demons"...then goes through the motions, and are still sick...some never recover from that claim, understandably. This fellow didn't, and if something did not work after the church "elders" prayed for them, it was easy just to blame the person...or "lack of faith". That IS cruelty and I saw what it did to people. This was a "full gospel" church..and as a young man I swallowed everything i was taught...until it no longer made sense. I stood up against the mind rape, and let them know I was not going to play the game any longer. When I dared to question some of their did not take long to feel the coldness that came from some of them. I knew I had to get out and I did. They just wanted me to agree and not question...that doesn't work with me. So before anyone judges me, learn a little of where I have come from and the suffering I have seen. Everyone is free to believe what they want...what matters to me most now is how people treat others...and how they control their words and actions towards others...otherwise their bible tells them their religion is in vain. I wish more people understood that, but they tend to condemn others if they do not agree with them. I support freedom of religion AND freedom from religion. I do not care if someone worships ice cubes...just do not claim I must also do that in order to be saved from some kind of sadistic torture. That is cruel in my opinion. Some people are just nasty, and some of those people became that way from their religion. I have seen it so many times over the years, it is tragic in my opinion. I tend to stay clear of them, and some still think "god" hates me for walking away. I will leave them to their own delusions. I had one woman tell my ex-wife that "god" was going to KILL ME if I did not get back together with her. This woman knew nothing about my ex wifes cheating and lying...or anything going on in our lives at the time way back in the 1980's. Talk about a twisted person. No thanks...I'll keep treating others with decency, I have nothing to sell them other than decency. Thank you for sharing about your wife...I am so glad to hear that!
  12. Look at some of the quick condemnation and division starts...because that is the purpose of religion, to divide humanity, but it also carries with it deep emotional reactions and people get angry quickly. That should helps us understand how it has been used to condemn and divide people for thousands of years and how people always need to reinforce their beliefs and seek validation in these type of conversations. In all due respect, not one single person can honestly claim they know with 100% certainty anything when it comes to their religious beliefs. Belief requires no evidence...that is why it is belief...truth stands upon its own evidence, no belief is required for it to be seen as truth. It doesn't need defended by threats and condemnation. People still run to attack those who question, run to condemn those that do not believe as they it any wonder humanity has been so divided all in the names of peoples gods, and the violence and bloodshed that has resulted throughout history? I think it wise to pay attention to the following from Thomas Paine...he actually understood the dangers of religion...and how it can cause people to believe absurdities and push them to commit atrocities. History proves this without question. How about learning to treat others as you desire to be treated...that is the foundation of ALL human interaction. Humanity has still not understood this basic principle, and always appears to revert to the use of threats and condemnation to enforce their beliefs when they become desperate to validate them. Sometimes, it is very beneficial to wonder just what some people actually follow...especially when they so easily try and justify tearing others apart in the name of a god who will "torture those that do not submit"...that isn't love, it is fear based religious tyranny. Don't be fooled...THAT is what creates cruel people. Many will get angry because of my thoughts...reacting rather than listening. Not meant to demean anyone, just thoughts based upon reason and decency. Be good to each other...always. Threads such as this when religion enters into the discussion almost always get locked...there is a reason for that. Too many become volatile...just watch it unfold.
  13. You're welcome Shabs. I would do this for anyone I thought was being fooled and setup...there are others, and they are always those who have a differing opinion than the majority. I have no emotional attachment to politics or religion as you know...but I see people use those two things daily to literally tear others apart that dare to question their world views and beliefs. I stuck up for Umbertino years ago as many tried to accuse him of somehow trying to subvert our country...I was told in a private message right afterwards that I was "on drugs, evil, drunk, and a waste of human life." THIS accusation came from someone that claimed they "knew god" about delusion. So, this is why I say to you, do not trust any of it.
  14. I didn't need to "know" your thoughts Mark...I read them in your words. Of course I forgive, daily...but your words were not directed at me, they were directed at someone else. You should consider following your own advice and apologize to the one you called "dead man walking". You don't have to try and justify your words, or make excuses, or trying to use religion to hide behind, just be genuine...and follow your own advice.
  15. Shabs, you will always be made out to be the villain. It is the boards politics to do so to any dissenting opinion, to justify targeting people deemed as whatever label given to them. It is all misdirection, and the very things some accuse you of, they are masters at, knowing how to use the psychological tricks to fool others. This constant back and forth just pulls down the entire forum, and the insanity of it all is that some others blame YOU alone for most of it...never taking responsibility for their own part...making excuses using their religious beliefs, and turning them against you. Some just want their safe place without dissent. It is how the game is played, just do not trust any of it. Some just want you gone...and will say or do just about anything to try and get you to "cross a line" they have already crossed long ago, and get away with it. It is called being set up...trying to finally come unglued but they have failed. I see this in many online it says is exactly how reality is when it comes to religion and politics. Never trust it...just observe the extent some will go to create the villain. Hope you are doing well...
  16. A few observations Mark...just my thoughts... You honestly expect anyone to buy into your reasoning for posting something like this, knowing exactly the kind of reaction you are desiring...which is FEAR, and pushing the typical "impending doom" narratives that too many Christians have been fooled by including some that actually believe this injection is the "mark of the beast"? Too many stopped living long ago and are only existing due to the mindset of seeing everything as "doom" and pushing fear upon everyone. I personally do not believe your intentions with this post. What is the opposite of perfect love? FEAR, exactly what you are promoting in my opinion. How does that edify or assist those who have already got the shot? What do you expect them to do with this information? They cannot undo it, therefore some will react in fear and helplessness due to something you have ZERO proof of other than speculation presented as "truth". Using this to promote FEAR. Things like this is why many no longer bother to post here...drama all day long, bickering all the time to anyone who does not agree with what is posted, no one is allowed to have their own opinions, especially if those opinions disagree with the majority, and some would like to have the forum censored, to stop any opposing opinions or thoughts. Religion and is gradually destroying what was once a fun forum. Would be nice if we could learn to allow others to think for themselves without being treated like fools or being issued veiled threats such as you did with Shabs "dead man walking". Why would you even go there or say something like that to another member here? Don't use your religion to justify these type of are not fooling everyone. I don't get how nasty some folks here have become...disagree with someone, and you get trolled or taunted which to me is destructive to everyone who would like to be involved in discussions, but do not want to be treated like trash if they disagree. You are better than this Mark...don't allow your emotions to take you so far down the path of fear and will literally destroy you, all the while you think you are doing "good". It is not about anything other than taking some time to weigh the benefits of posting something of this nature claiming people may die within two years if they got the injection. I think you knew exactly how some would something that is pure speculation.
  17. Shabs, notice how when all else fails, the religious threats always enter the picture? The most powerful mind control in the history of humanity is...religion. Fact. An example below from the movie "Apocalypto" during the eclipse scene...and how they used this to claim it was their god...right before they were about to murder a young man in the name of that god. This is how the game works... Pure mind control...still to this day using fear and threats. Why? Because it works. Don't play the game...
  18. I always thought it strange that no one said a word when President Trump banned bump stocks...just an observation.
  19. Hey CL! Oh you're welcome. I always thought it was important to learn how things came to be, and so often the origins of certain religious beliefs came from planetary adoration, that then morphed into persona's being given to certain planets, etc. Anyway, I find it to be an interesting discussion for those with an open mind, because in truth, we know so very little, about so many things, and it is always easier to just follow certain narratives than to learn of their origins and how they change over time. Some things never change, they are just repackaged and resold to us all in some form or another. Hope you are doing well CL!
  20. Hi Shabs! I can only speak for myself, but I spent many years researching into many things that no longer made sense. How can we learn if we fail to question? I learned to question everything, because I had been very misled as a young man in the church, and I witnessed things that should never be inside any church, manipulation, threats, fear tactics, and I knew there was something wrong. Of course, because I questioned those "leaders", I was viewed as a heretic, and I proudly wore that badge once I understood how the game was played. Sadly, I see the very same things I saw 35 years ago being used in the same manner today, and most just get angry if you present why so many believe certain things, when it can be found to be so opposite to the love and justice of god, but they have to have their tools used to dismiss and negate anyone who may not agree with them. Most folks really do not want to learn...they only have an open mind if what they are reading or hearing agrees with their traditions and own beliefs. It is not possible to learn in that manner. Too many follow someone else's narrative on life and spiritual matters...often ending up more confused. There is nothing that comes close to agape love and true justice that ends in correction...but some enjoy blurring the lines and creating a narrative that has little to do with love and decency...they must push aside anyone that disagrees with them, and that ends up divisive. We have heard it said, "the only way evil can triumph is for good men to do nothing". Truth is, those with bad intentions are more united than those "good men" that do many who believe they have "all the answers" are more divided than those that have evil intentions. It is just the way it is...and just look at how most religious based threads end...people arguing and divided and too many that insist on being "right". Is it any wonder we have such a screwed up world, so divided by so many things? People quote the bible, usually out of context just to try and convince others, not having a clue they are using something that is to give life as a hammer that destroys, they use the "letter of the law" and that always ends up in death. Happens all the time. As far as the financial motive behind so much religious division and organized religion, you get much more from the flock when you keep them in a state of fear. It has been that way for centuries...people being fleeced via fear and that is unfortunate. Thanks Shabs for the discussion, sorry it is off topic, but I wanted to share some facts that are too often ignored. All the best!
  21. Hey Shabs, hope you are doing well! It is amusing...the term is the new mantra or trigger word being used, and most folks have no clue what it is they are referring to...other than the religious superstition of that name being an evil persona to accuse others. The following is not meant to demean anyone, it is meant to educate how things became transformed into what is believed today. It is also not meant to be turned into yet another religious conflict. We are free to believe what we want, but we should understand how some of it came to be from its origins. Food for thought...probably offensive to someone, but not intended. Take them at face value, but they none the less are factual, not superstitious. Twisted men created a being to use against their perceived enemies, the same men who created the angry wrathful god narratives that would toss people into a state of unending torment...if they did not submit to what is little more than religious tyranny, not genuine agape love, that never fails. But the pure message of love was not successful at gaining converts, so other methods were created to frighten the common folks. People are generally obsessed with all things "hell" which is also from mythological sources, but again, it is a tool. In all ancient languages, Aramiac, Chaldean, Hebrew, Greek, etc., "hell" always referred to the grave...because no one knew what happened after we were they began to call it a place rather than just what it was...the grave. With that they needed a persona, a bad guy to fear, but the fact is "hell" was "sheol" in hebrew, "hades" in greek...all referring to the grave. Satan (adversary) and also "lucifer" became those persona's who ruled in the so called underworld...that underworld was the grave. The fact is, the term "lucifer" is the latin word referring to the planet Venus. Few admit to that because then it would reduce their arsenal of threats and fear used against others. Lucifer is Planet Venus “Helel”, “Phosphorous” and “Lucifer” all refer to the Morning Star – to the planet Venus. Since the earliest times, constellations were very important to ancient religions. Planets and stars were personified as deities. This 2nd planet from the sun, what we know today as Venus, is one of the brightest objects in the sky next to the sun and moon, and just like them, it could be seen with the naked eye. The ancient Sumerians called it Goddess Innana. The Acadians called it Ishtar. In Hindu astronomy, it’s Saint-Shukra. This bright planet does have a peculiarity; it’s generally seen only twice; once at sunrise and once at sunset, basically when the sun is on the horizon. And because ancient cultures didn’t understand modern astronomy, they saw the appearance of Venus in the morning and at night as two different objects. Then Ancient Egyptian knew the morning star as Tioumoutiri and the evening star as Ouiaiti. For the Greeks; the morning star was Phosphoros or Heosphoros, and the evening one was Hesperus. Although the Roman era recognized those stars to be one single planet, they continued to use two names, Lucifer for the morning star, and they kept Hesperus for the evening star. How Lucifer turned Evil But why do we know Lucifer as the devil when it’s planet Venus at dawn? Well, like many many other things in our world, it all has to do with misinterpretation. First, we need to know that the word Lucifer only appears ONCE in the bible. In Isaiah 14:12 Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer son of the morning! How art thou cast down to the ground, Which thou who didst weaken the nations! This means that the Hebrew word HELEL was also found only once in the original Hebrew text. The “Helel Ben-Shachar” (הילל בן־שׁחר ) part, which means “morning star, son of dawn” is the honorific title given to the King of Babylon. At the time, kings were powerful people who had the same ranks as the stars, and this passage was a prophecy against the king of Babylon, who was said to be a tyrannous oppressor of Israel. Remember, the old testament of the bible, where this passage belongs, was originally written by Jewish authors for the Jewish people, around 600 BCE. In a nutshell, this passage in “Isaiah” is about the arrogance and fall of the King of Babylon at the time. So, Lucifer was never an evil being as we were made to imagine. Lucifer is a noun which means morning star in reference to the planet Venus, and in this very case, the morning star is a metaphor for a Babylonian king.
  22. Some will likely bash you Shabs for even posting this article, but I for one will tell you that the wreckage left behind from this cult is very real. Just my thoughts from some experience I have had talking with some folks... I know a lot of what is stated in this story to be true, based upon my experience with those that believed every word, because it mirrored their own beliefs and political ideologies, and their world views, in addition to the patriotism and love of country that was taken advantage of throughout the last 4 years by those who lied to them. Those behind the movement knew exactly how to manipulate so many people, using of course, fear, which always works. 4 years of being lied to with cryptic messages and having their emotions toyed with was tragic...and to even question it resulted in outbursts of anger, and this anger was often towards their own families and kids, etc. Mix this toxic soup with religion, and you have a recipe for disaster. Good news is many have walked away from it all, learning from the experience never to invest themselves so deeply as many did with this movement. They realize it was all political gamesmanship, and nothing works better than using fear in order to gain followers. On the other hand, there are some who refuse to walk away, and who insist it was all "true". Some of them have tossed their families aside preaching the "end" and telling others to "trust the plan"...some of those others now know there was no plan, but the remnant are still selling the message to the detriment of those dear to them. Many have said the same thing...they feel "betrayed" by so many voices that were out there the last 4 years that fed into and encouraged groups like "Q", etc. Terrible false claims made against some people, accusing them of some sadistic and sordid activities that when repeated enough times, became accepted as "truth". When it was questioned, again, the responses were outbursts of anger and more accusations, but evidence was always lacking. Anyone can be fooled into believing something that is "plausible", and I find it interesting that in too many cases, no evidence is necessary, just belief that those they view as "opposition" are evil and they are to be blamed for all the worlds problems. These voices even got many to believe VP Pence was a "traitor" and according to a few claimed he should be "hanged". Seriously sick stuff. Rarely do those who stand up and question exit without scars...but we all hopefully learn from our experiences in life, and move on to be a better person because of them. Thanks Shabs, hope you are doing well.
  23. Hi cranman Just some of my thoughts, speaking for myself with my own experience. Just know that you are not alone in your thinking. I have a lot of experience in religious matters, watched for years how the system operates, and the manipulation within it. When I was active in the church, it was labeled as "full gospel" which I always thought was funny, mainly because I thought as opposed to what? Half gospel? Anyway, after about 2 years within, as a young man easily influenced at the time, I began to question what was being taught...too many things no longer made sense. Strange thing is, I ended up being viewed as a heretic because I dared to question their narrative. They had nothing of substance to answer my questions, other than guilt, threats, the usual responses I still get today when questioning what some claim is "truth", yet are unable to provide one shred of evidence for their claims. So, the last resort is always making threats...using the letter of the law, to try and discredit you and to inform you that their god who they claim "loves you", will torment you and punish you in endless fashion because you did not submit. And some think this is "justice", when it is actually vexatious and unjust, punishment is for corrective purposes, never a 'state of being'. Does that sound like love to you? Would anyone treat their children like that? Of course not, but when it comes to religion, the angry wrathful god narrative has had great results in manipulating people, scaring them into submission. It started when societies became too large to manage so in order to gain more control, certain religious claims were created and the angry wrathful gods entered the picture. I could tell you stories of how some that I knew ended up in institutions because they fell over the edge, struggling to make sense of what their heads were filled with, they lived in constant fear and guilt, and it finally took its toll. Tragic, because it is so needless but it is how some people interpret what they are taught, and some teachings when mixed with certain personalities can be destructive. On the other hand, I have met christians that do not play the mind games, they love their god, they never condemn anyone, nor judge their neighbors, they treat others kindly and do not threaten them using their bibles if someone disagrees with their beliefs. And sadly, many of those people a re labeled as being "luke warm" and they will end up "burning". Sounds mice right? But I found those so called luke warm people to be balanced, and good decent even gracious people, but that is a minority. Some simply cannot entertain anything or any thought outside of their comfort zones whether it is politics or religion. Both take belief, both are extremely divisive and both encourage what is called 'cognitive dissonance', an inability to listen to anything that challenges their beliefs. I was in that frame of mind for many years, until I learned and began to understand how the system operates. I could not entertain any thought that challenged my beliefs. Daring to question is a good thing, always, I encourage everyone to question everything. But some things people are afraid to question, they live in constant fear and over the long term, begin to do things to appease the god of their beliefs. For me, that was a life I could no longer live as it actually sucked the life out of me over time, counter productive to what "love" is. That leads to, in some cases, delusion and mental break down, as it usually ends up in a cycle they are unable to break. Most cultures have their religious traditions, some follow them, others do not, for various reasons, and if a person is born into a certain culture, it is normal for them to accept those traditions and rarely do they question them. Religious competition is very real and the lengths some go to push it can be destructive. Keep being a decent person, that IS the real message, loving your neighbor as yourself which apparently no one has ever been able to commit to that, the simplicity of something that requires humility and common decency, and has nothing to do with what or who your neighbor believes in, you treat them as you desire to be treated. Anything added to that is "noise" and there is a lot of noise out there. Usually the message ends up being in reality, "just believe like me and we can get along". Never fall for that. I hope your thread does not end up being just a bunch of quotes and threats, but based upon other times when someone wanted discussion of these matters, it always ends up divisive. Best not to argue about something that cannot be proven. Thanks for your input and thoughts. Sad to think the 100's of millions of people murdered because of religion, forced conversions, being treated like savages, such as when the pilgrims first came to this country, how they treated the native Americans, which most never talk about. They viewed them as 'savages' and decided they must convert them...or kill them. you know, that religion of "peace" thing. I think within much of religion is the usual power struggle, and twisted men who use it to achieve an agenda and gain control over others. Been this way for 10's of thousands of years, with little changing along the way. What remains at the end is how we view and treat others. Many believe they need religion in order to be a decent person but if that is the case, what they are actually doing is trying to appease their gods, and they have a much deeper problem than just needing a religion to hide behind. Love is a real force, it is not tied to any religion, because if you need to make threats in order to get people to follow something, it becomes quite clear it was created by men in order to control your mind. We are told that "god is love"...that begs the question what are some people following? I have had some people tell me that "love does not work, we must fight". Apparently they were lied to or feel frustrated, so the last resort is to fight. That answers the question rather sufficiently. Some of these are the same people that condemn other faiths that kill others in the names of their gods, they justify their actions for which there is no justification. I never try and demean others faith, but I will ask questions and how they react tells a story to me. I have experienced the struggle I often see in them, and the best I can do is encourage them to question those things that insult their own hearts and reject them. It has been said, if someone can get you to believe absurdities, they can also get you to commit atrocities. Sadly, history tells us the same story...and also the fact that believing in a cruel god also creates a cruel man. Thomas Paine and others have much wisdom that they learned about these things... Have a good weekend!
  24. How? By telling people what they want to hear. And when they are proven as charlatans, many just run to a new source of claims under the guise of "prophecy". This is a big part of the problem the last 4 years, so many such as "Q" that have lied to people time and again, and yet people seem to be ok with being lied to. Mention any of this, most just get angry. Recall the Pat Robertson "prophecy" where he claimed the president would be re-elected and we would prosper for 5 years, then his god would send an asteroid to earth and kill us all. Can you imagine why anyone would get all excited about this mental manipulation? This has gone on for thousands of years to this day, yet there is always a crowd of self proclaimed "prophets" who make their various proclamations to an audience that rarely question any of it. This feeds peoples anger over time, I've seen it many times over the years. Seriously, though Pat was proven to be what he has always been, so many grabbed onto it almost with glee. Strange behavior in my opinion. Now Pat turned against Trump, but funny thing is, he never addressed his lie, they rarely do, they just move on to something else people seem to want to hear. Ultimately, these type of claims end up sucking the life out of people, which is the intent, and to keep many living in fear.
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