1000:1 rate?

[Darin]

This topic reminds me of a conversation I had with a financial adviser once. I was asking him about gold and how it seemed like a good investment. He said don't buy gold, I've been telling my clients to dump their gold, etc. etc. Shortly after, gold was taking off to its record highs.

 

Now, I was not in a moment to really invest, but, if I was and had taken this guys advice - I would have lost out on great opportunities. That taught me one thing, professional speculative opinions are not always right.

 

My mom bought Apple stock around 2006. This was prior to the release of the i-Phone. She wanted to make some gains with disposable income she had sitting around. My brother had suggested Apple because he knew of the upcoming release of the i-Phone. She invested, made her 20% and sold off. Mostly because at that time there were copyright infringement scares regarding the i-Phone. This was 2006, and shares were worth a value of around $50. Now they're closing in around $450 (I believe I saw a peak of 600 at some point since 2006). If she had held, and sold around $500 per share, she could of easily made 10 times her money. But, 20mil makes a great point, hindsight 20/20 is always accurate. 20mil makes another great point, sometimes things are presented in front of you which are quite obvious (i.e., Yen)

 

But, I think to a 'degree' it would be inaccurate to say that people have never become overnight millionaires with currency. Keep in mind, when I say 'overnight' I'm not talking specifically in one night, but more-so over a very short period of time. A prime example would be the digital currency of bitcoin. If one were to have purchased that upon its release and sold at its highest point, you'd be ridiculously rich.

 

In October, 2009 $1 = 1309.03 Bit Coins  (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History)

In January 2013 1 Bit Coin = $22 (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History)

 

So, I spent a $1 back in 2009, sat on that 1 Bit coin for 3.5 years and it is now worth $28,798. (22 x 1309.03)

That is if I am looking at this all correctly based upon the information I have found.

 

With purchases being done online frequently, BIt Coin has the ability to really take off as you simply do not encounter double spending or the use of a 3rd party to make transactions (i.e., PayPal). It also allows for anonymous purchases (I.e., a person being able to gamble online in the U.S gambling on U.K. sites..)

 

Now, I 'highly' doubt we would ever see gain(s) of that magnitude when referencing the dinar... But, the point of this argument is that I am probably sure that many have made "huge" profits when holding  BIt Coins. But, what differentiates this type of currency (digital online currency) from others is that its not regulated by central banks or trade by some banks. In fact, it is only allowed to be spent where places allow payment from Bit Coins.

 

So with what I provided above, HUGE gains in short amounts of time can be made with currency. They're rare, unusual, and for some go on w/o much fanfare.

[20Mil]

This topic reminds me of a conversation I had with a financial adviser once. I was asking him about gold and how it seemed like a good investment. He said don't buy gold, I've been telling my clients to dump their gold, etc. etc. Shortly after, gold was taking off to its record highs.

 

Now, I was not in a moment to really invest, but, if I was and had taken this guys advice - I would have lost out on great opportunities. That taught me one thing, professional speculative opinions are not always right.

 

My mom bought Apple stock around 2006. This was prior to the release of the i-Phone. She wanted to make some gains with disposable income she had sitting around. My brother had suggested Apple because he knew of the upcoming release of the i-Phone. She invested, made her 20% and sold off. Mostly because at that time there were copyright infringement scares regarding the i-Phone. This was 2006, and shares were worth a value of around $50. Now they're closing in around $450 (I believe I saw a peak of 600 at some point since 2006). If she had held, and sold around $500 per share, she could of easily made 10 times her money. But, 20mil makes a great point, hindsight 20/20 is always accurate. 20mil makes another great point, sometimes things are presented in front of you which are quite obvious (i.e., Yen)

 

But, I think to a 'degree' it would be inaccurate to say that people have never become overnight millionaires with currency. Keep in mind, when I say 'overnight' I'm not talking specifically in one night, but more-so over a very short period of time. A prime example would be the digital currency of bitcoin. If one were to have purchased that upon its release and sold at its highest point, you'd be ridiculously rich.

 

In October, 2009 $1 = 1309.03 Bit Coins  (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History)

In January 2013 1 Bit Coin = $22 (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History)

 

So, I spent a $1 back in 2009, sat on that 1 Bit coin for 3.5 years and it is now worth $28,798. (22 x 1309.03)

That is if I am looking at this all correctly based upon the information I have found.

 

With purchases being done online frequently, BIt Coin has the ability to really take off as you simply do not encounter double spending or the use of a 3rd party to make transactions (i.e., PayPal). It also allows for anonymous purchases (I.e., a person being able to gamble online in the U.S gambling on U.K. sites..)

 

Now, I 'highly' doubt we would ever see gain(s) of that magnitude when referencing the dinar... But, the point of this argument is that I am probably sure that many have made "huge" profits when holding  BIt Coins. But, what differentiates this type of currency (digital online currency) from others is that its not regulated by central banks or trade by some banks. In fact, it is only allowed to be spent where places allow payment from Bit Coins.

 

So with what I provided above, HUGE gains in short amounts of time can be made with currency. They're rare, unusual, and for some go on w/o much fanfare.

 

Darin,

 

You are right in a sense that most of the time people can't make millions in short amounts of time trading currency. Unless of course one has a large amount of capital to work with.  Reference my post above with the link to Closed GBP/AUD Trades and you will see that I made about 2,500 pips or so since January 2013 until present with a few trades.  Now, trading 1 standard contract gave me $10 per pip. If I had a larger account balance like let's say $100,000,000 then I could have easily traded 100 standard contracts per trade making that a total of $2,500,000 in one month's time following the exact same strategy I used.  

 

When trading it is all relative in terms of %.  The more volume you trade the more money per pip is gained / lost.  So with a larger account I could have made $2.5 million in the past 30 days or so.  Not bad...  

 

*Same principle obviously applies to stocks as well.  The more stock you own the larger your gains/losses will be.

Edited February 21, 2013 by 20Mil

[Darin]

Darin,

 

You are right in a sense that most of the time people can't make millions in short amounts of time trading currency. Unless of course one has a large amount of capital to work with.  Reference my post above with the link to Closed GBP/AUD Trades and you will see that I made about 2,500 pips or so since January 2013 until present with a few trades.  Now, trading 1 standard contract gave me $10 per pip. If I had a larger account balance like let's say $100,000,000 then I could have easily traded 100 standard contracts per trade making that a total of $2,500,000 in one month's time following the exact same strategy I used.  

 

When trading it is all relative in terms of %.  The more volume you trade the more money per pip is gained / lost.  So with a larger account I could have made $2.5 million in the past 30 days or so.  Not bad...  

 

*Same principle obviously applies to stocks as well.  The more stock you own the larger your gains/losses will be.

Understandable - my argument was that little CAN be invested with the end result of HUGE gains.

The Bit Coin example was one. The cool thing about this particular example is how we will never know who claims huge gains as it is quite confidential (one of the ways it was designed). Also why it probably presented very little fanfare. Could this be something to invest in long-term for massive gains? Well, if you have the money to fork over and let sit, you may find out.

 

If I ever felt the "need" or was basically forced to sell off IQD holdings.. I think I would take that cash and put it towards another crazy gamble.... I think the BC would be one. From Wiki alone, I saw where 1 BC = $16 and another down the road showing $22. Digital currencies have come and gone in the past, but they were more specific (i.e., Facebook credits or Microsoft credits). I would also like to check the trend(s). If it is quite volatile, even a moderate short-term gains could be made.

I.e., Buy at $16 sell at $22.

That type of volatility could of gained me $750 in the short-term of 1-2 months using $2k capital.

$2k at $16 = 125 units sold @ 22 = 2,750. Granted I would want to research into it more.

 

[20Mil]

Understandable - my argument was that little CAN be invested with the end result of HUGE gains.

The Bit Coin example was one. The cool thing about this particular example is how we will never know who claims huge gains as it is quite confidential (one of the ways it was designed). Also why it probably presented very little fanfare. Could this be something to invest in long-term for massive gains? Well, if you have the money to fork over and let sit, you may find out.

 

If I ever felt the "need" or was basically forced to sell off IQD holdings.. I think I would take that cash and put it towards another crazy gamble.... I think the BC would be one. From Wiki alone, I saw where 1 BC = $16 and another down the road showing $22. Digital currencies have come and gone in the past, but they were more specific (i.e., Facebook credits or Microsoft credits). I would also like to check the trend(s). If it is quite volatile, even a moderate short-term gains could be made.

I.e., Buy at $16 sell at $22.

That type of volatility could of gained me $750 in the short-term of 1-2 months using $2k capital.

$2k at $16 = 125 units sold @ 22 = 2,750. Granted I would want to research into it more.

 

 

 

Oh ok I understand.  Yea I remember hearing about Bit Coin when it first launched...  I had no idea it blew up the way it did!  LOL   Good example of opportunity passing me by...  

[Darin]

Oh ok I understand.  Yea I remember hearing about Bit Coin when it first launched...  I had no idea it blew up the way it did!  LOL   Good example of opportunity passing me by...  

I am thinking it may be a little volatile as well.

Going off of Wiki I saw in 2013 it was once $16, another date showed $22.

I checked an online currency converter and it was $28/29.

Its either A) soaring, or volatile as crazy

A) is good for those holding, is good for those buying & selling frequently

[20Mil]

For those unfamiliar, Bitcoin is an online encrypted digital currency that uses complex 'cybercrypto' technology for its global peer-to-peer verification system. The system relies on a trust factor among users through a network of over 100,000 computers.

 

It's being referred to as a decentralized currency since there are no central banks connected to it. 

 

Unlike the Fed who can 'print' unlimited greenbacks any time it wants to, the amount of bitcoins that will be allowed into circulation will supposedly be strictly (mathematically) limited to 21 million coins.

 

While I dig the concept and the sovereign-minded intention behind it, the main drawback I see here is that the exchange rate of each bitcoin fluctuates based on supply and demand, rather than an international currency exchange rate.

 

So bitcoins are susceptible to price manipulation — kinda like what goes on in the diamond industry. Many people have been led to believe that diamonds are 'scarce'; however, anyone who knows the real story behind the biggest diamond cartel in the world (De Beers) knows that diamonds aren't rare at all. The perception is created through artificial scarcity.

 

Perhaps De Beers chairman Nicky Oppenheimer said it best: "diamonds are intrinsically worthless, except for the deep psychological need they fill." In a way, the same could be said for bitcoins and the liberty-loving enthusiasts they serve.

 

Thing is, if naïve folks out there continue to promote the idea that they can be used for anonymous transactions or to somehow avoid the authorities, then there's a good chance they could eventually be worth nothing. All it takes is for Bitcoin to become Public Enemy #1 with bankers and politicians (i.e., "the establishment") and poof — it's toast (remember e-gold?).

 

From what I've seen so far, bitcoins should be considered HIGHLY speculative and much more volatile than a digital currency that's tied to fiat currencies (what most of us currently use to pay our bills and purchase goods with).

 

Bitcoins are in an artificial 'bubble' that could burst at any time, leaving thousands of users holding a worthless bag of digital fairy dust. 

 

The precedent for such renegade alternative, people-led currency movements certainly doesn't have a winning track-record. All one needs to do is read the case of Bernard von NotHaus to see the likely outcome.

 

But, without getting into the pros and cons of Bitcoin itself ('cause certainly the implementation is much different than Bernard's Liberty Dollar), here's my quick thoughts on the philosophical intellectual desire to pick the right battle.

 

Ultimately — and this comes from many, many personal attempts myself to think I should jump on all fast-moving bandwagons that are out to spoil the oligarch's party — the question for me comes down to:

 

"Does getting involved in such a fringe movement, such a Don Quixote political quest, serve me NOW in any measurable way?"

 

While the idea of slaying off the Bankster-controled monopoly money (the dollars, euros, francs, and renminbis of the world which are centralized and government-backed and controlled) is commendable, it's not practical or prudent.

 

You won't find wealthy, highly-successful, productive entrepreneurs and investors picking these kind of battles.

 

Why?

 

Because, simply, they're pointless. If folks would just wake up and realize that they can become millionaires and multi-millionaires, under the fiat-currency structure that reality is handing them, they wouldn't be majoring in minor stuff.

 

Bitcoin isn't anything more superior. It's still fiat currency. A Bitcoin doesn't have any intrinsic value and its value is unrelated to the value of any physical quantity. Like our current fiat money, it's also predicated upon faith that someone else will accept it as payment.

 

Currently, I just encourage anybody reading this to accept the system we're in, not try to fight giant windmills (you can go broke fast and fall out of love fast), and FOCUS on growing your dollar digits in various accounts (bank/brokerage). And then when there's some EXCESS, exchange those digits for real hard assets (think real estate, gold in select minor quantities, businesses, collectibles, etc.).

 

The dollar (most likely your home currency) is what it is. Just let it be. Accept it, save it, grow it, and exchange it. And, most importantly, learn to focus on the things you can control and accept the things you can't.

Edited February 21, 2013 by 20Mil

[Darin]

Seems like an article that is designed to suppress speculation. Fear of how this type of currency could just as easily fall on its face just as easily jump up in value.

But any investment pose risks.. You can invest in many things that will fall in value. Even the dinar we hold could become as worthless as the paper its printed on.

 

With that in mind, it tells you how you may or may not want to jump into the idea of trading. Maybe keep your capital invested a set amount (an amount your willing to lose) buy low, sell high - pocket the profits. If your profits over the time are more than your capital invested, even if it falls on its face you still come out ahead.

 

A blog on why it would not be a good idea to make it unlawful:

 

In a blog post last week at Unqualified Reservations,
the author described a fictitious account of how bitcoin dies because a
“DOJ indictment is unsealed” naming any and all BTC exchange operators
as criminal defendants and the “BTC/USD price falls to zero and remains
there.”

 

While this U.S.-centric plot would seem more plausible in a
cryptographic flaw scenario, it does bring to light some interesting game theory
strategies for both regulators and free market monetary proponents.
Aside from the impact on price, would a government ban on bitcoin,
including a direct ban for law-abiding merchants, shrink the available
size of the so-called bitcoin market? Is an officially “illegitimate”
bitcoin a useless thing?

 

I maintain that a government ban on bitcoin would be about as effective
as alcohol prohibition was in the 1920s. Government prohibition doesn’t
even do a good job of keeping drugs out of prisons. The demand for an
item, in this case digital cash with user-defined levels of privacy,
does not simply evaporate in the face of a jurisdictional ban. One could
even make the case that it becomes stronger because an official
recognition that Bitcoin is not only a “renegade” currency but a
“so-effective-it-had-to-be-banned” currency would imbue the
cryptographic money with larger than life qualities.

 

Ironically, the ban would create something like the Streisand effect
for Bitcoin generating an awareness for entire new demographic groups
and new classes of society. Unlike alcohol, bitcoin itself might not be
considered a consumption good but it certainly makes it easier to
acquire and sell certain consumption goods.

 

The under-banked people of System D would awaken to using bitcoin for eliminating onerous fees or the risk of handling cash. The individuals seeking drugs
without violence or prescriptions would understand the imperviousness
of sites like the agorist Silk Road. The anti-banking crowd would race
to get their hands on some bitcoin as a symbolic gesture to weaken
bankers’ firm grip on payments. The pro-gambling casino people would all of a sudden realize how play money bitcoin bypasses
the ridiculous and religious anti-gambling laws. The asset protection
wealth managers would start to become fascinated with esoteric things
like deterministic brainwallets and Tor.

 

Which brings us to the giddy, pro-banking-integration spokespeople for
Bitcoin that tend towards full compliance because it’s required or,
worse, preemptive compliance because they believe it to be safe.
What happens to their rosy world when bitcoin exchanges can no longer
operate in the open without fear of State retaliation? After all, they
were patiently counting on ‘railroad tracks’ and connected links with
existing financial institutions to grant Bitcoin a legitimacy mandate.

 

Now with burgeoning covert and in-person exchange opportunities plus a
variety of reliable exchanges operating outside of the U.S., the Bitcoin
of our fictional story is far from fading into obscurity. Conversely,
it is the ambitious opportunities for crony capitalism that fade into
obscurity because a closed-loop bitcoin economy not requiring meatspace
exchanges would emerge and accelerate.

 

One doesn’t drive Bitcoin underground. A free Bitcoin was designed to be
‘underground’ for its own survival otherwise it wouldn’t need such an inefficient,
decentralized block chain. The low-cost and non-reversible bitcoin
transactions that appeal to mainstream commerce are merely byproducts of
a mutinous system that doesn’t rely on trusted third parties. Joel
Bowman writing at The Daily Reckoning clearly recognizes that bitcoin’s future doesn’t depend on State legitimacy let alone low-cost sanctioned transactions:

 

In the end, bitcoin is a bet on the other side of The State’s coin; the
free market side. It’s a bet that voluntary trade will, in the end,
overcome neanderthalic force and coercion. It’s a wager that the
conversation currently underway in the shadowy ‘black’ market is far
more intriguing, far more complex, far more nuanced and exceedingly more
interesting than the yip-yapping that distracts the undead, mainstream
TV-consumer for an hour or so around feeding time every evening.'

 

I would add that it’s also a bet on income and consumption privacy
becoming the norm over ‘reportable earnings’ and invasive transaction
tracking. It’s a bet that career mobility and independent contractor
businesses will eventually outstrip the growth of the corporate
wage-slave population. It’s a bet that the degree of an individual’s
financial privacy is selected solely by the individual and not by what
the State reluctantly permits.

 

Prohibiting bitcoin is the opposite of what a rational game theorist
would conclude. But are our regulatory overlords smart enough to
advocate a hands-off policy? If the State cannot plausibly ban bitcoin,
why would they want to give it the additional power to grow and
propagate? Bitcoin challenges the State as monetary sovereign and that
has grave implications for their monetary authority and quasi-peaceful
taxing authority. A savvy and smart regulator would seek to avoid the
confrontation that “Old Bitcoin Radical” foresees.

 

Prohibiting bitcoin is the opposite of what a rational game theorist
would conclude. But are our regulatory overlords smart enough to
advocate a hands-off policy? If the State cannot plausibly ban bitcoin,
why would they want to give it the additional power to grow and
propagate? Bitcoin challenges the State as monetary sovereign and that
has grave implications for their monetary authority and quasi-peaceful
taxing authority. A savvy and smart regulator would seek to avoid the
confrontation that “Old Bitcoin Radical” foresees.

[20Mil]

The article I posted above is not really about suppressing speculation for BitCoin as it is more about showing that it is another unnecessary speculative venture.  There is opportunity right in front of our eyes to make money everyday without that buy, hold, and hope type of approach. One could put in the time, effort, energy, and money to learn to trade stocks or foreign currency. People could pay professionals a performance fee for Managed FOREX accounts. People could pay for stock alert signal services with proven track records. These are all excellent ways to make your money grow without waiting for that HUGE payday that may never come.

 

I know the gentleman who wrote the article and he is a multi-millionaire via passive investment vehicles such as managed FOREX accounts and other types of unconventional investment vehicles. I think the problem is that most people want to spend $100 and make $100,000 or even $1,000,000 through speculative ventures that rarely (if ever!) pan out.

 

6% a month compounded for 1 year is double your money.  If a person started with $10,000 they would be a millionaire in 7 years. It would obviously happen much sooner if one were to make 10% a month OR start with a larger amount.  Problem is, most people aren't patient enough and/or willing to wait that long. 

 

The chances of becoming filthy rich overnight through a speculative investment vs. being patient taking a tried and proven path are very slim...

 

A lot of people in this forum are always bashing our current financial system and "fiat currencies" when in all reality, that could be their ticket to financial freedom if they spent the same amount of time learning how to play the financial markets as they do bashing the current system. 

 

Remember, 6% a month is the magic number. Not 1,000% possibly somewhere down the road.  

[yota691]

Thanks for the  education of the thieving and manipulators that have our Economy in Shambles, Hope your Proud and you don't choke on all that Honest Money that folks like you continue to strangle from Real hard working Americans and sending this country into a bliss.... just to benefit your pocket.. I know how the system works and as that saying.. All Good Things Come to End..Enjoy it for now..for that day is coming upon you and I hope it slaps you so hard that you realize just how it feels..ENJOY..

[Darin]

Understandable 20Mil, sometimes the most efficient way is the proven way.... A little brain power, patience, and maybe a little luck can pay off.

The main purpose I brought up what I did is that some people have said that there never has been an outcome people became wealthy overnight investing small amounts into a currency. That is truly not the case. Will the dinar follow a similar approach? I do not think so.... I hope for a gradually raising value, and if the trend stays that way, you hold it until you feel that it is an appropriate time to sell.

LOL, this is exactly the kind of crap I'm talking about...   Yet you are here trying to make millions off of a country who invaded another country and had a dictator that killed thousands of people.  Also, in more recent times was invaded by the US causing even more deaths.  Yet you want to profit off of this move AND call me a thief?  

 

Are you serious?  What an a$$ hole...   I can't believe you had the balls to make that kind of post while you are here speculating on the Iraqi Dinar which is also part of the current financial system....  

 

I want the honest truth Yota, did you even think before you made this post?  Honestly...

I don't think that response was directed at you. I think he was referencing the people he claimed as thieves and manipulators (Like the PTB)

[20Mil]

Thanks for the  education of the thieving and manipulators that have our Economy in Shambles, Hope your Proud and you don't choke on all that Honest Money that folks like you continue to strangle from Real hard working Americans and sending this country into a bliss.... just to benefit your pocket.. I know how the system works and as that saying.. All Good Things Come to End..Enjoy it for now..for that day is coming upon you and I hope it slaps you so hard that you realize just how it feels..ENJOY..

 

 

You are the kind of person who sits around this forum all day (13,000+ posts) and yet has the b**** to complain about the current state of the economy and are upset about people who spend the time to learn how to benefit themselves by taking advantage of the financial markets and the current financial system. You are also speculating on another country's currency. Redirect some of your time posting to something more constructive and quit blaming others for your downfall, that is pathetic!  I have spent a lot of time and have lost a lot of money to get to where I'm at...

 

Don't be mad because you aren't where you want to be Yota!  You call yourself hard working?  Posting on this Dinar forum all day complaining about other people's success...  Unbelievable!

Edited February 22, 2013 by Bumper64
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[Bumper64]

Enough of the fighting!!!   If you can't PLAY NICE then move on from this thread!!  You are claiming to be professionals, act like it!!! 

[Flatbush Zombies]

Enough of the fighting!!! If you can't PLAY NICE then move on from this thread!! You are claiming to be professionals, act like it!!!

Bumper, 20 mil has always been respectful and very knowledgable. It's a common theme here at dinar vets lately....someone brings up logic and common sense and the same people get upset over and over and over again. Nothing but bitter haters and they are jealous of 20 mil in my opinion. Whenever anyone posts anything that doesn't say go rv they are told to leave or they are ganged up on by the mindless go rv sheep. Why wouldn't you want both sides? Why would you want to be ignorant to reality or to truth? Why cant certain members here have a civil debate with people that show the other side. This site us becoming dominated by conspiracy and hatred. A lot of smart members quit posting here and many could have learned a lot from them. 20 mil is constantly giving advice to people about things other than dinar. He doesn't have to do that at all. Caz, yota, and don'tlop need to stop getting so sensitive to reality. Be glad that someone as knowledgable as 20 mil is sharing his experiences. Anyone can copy and past an article...that's not contributing....20 mil takes his time to explain things and gives others heads up on future money making opportunities....that's contributing. Everyone calm down and open your mind Edited February 22, 2013 by Flatbush Zombies

[dontlop]

Bumper, 20 mil has always been respectful and very knowledgable. It's a common theme here at dinar vets lately....someone brings up logic and common sense and the same people get upset over and over and over again. Nothing but bitter haters and they are jealous of 20 mil in my opinion. Whenever anyone posts anything that doesn't say go rv they are told to leave or they are ganged up on by the mindless go rv sheep. Why wouldn't you want both sides? Why would you want to be ignorant to reality or to truth? Why cant certain members here have a civil debate with people that show the other side. This site us becoming dominated by conspiracy and hatred. A lot of smart members quit posting here and many could have learned a lot from them. 20 mil is constantly giving advice to people about things other than dinar. He doesn't have to do that at all. Caz, yota, and don'tlop need to stop getting so sensitive to reality. Be glad that someone as knowledgable as 20 mil is sharing his experiences. Anyone can copy and past an article...that's not contributing....20 mil takes his time to explain things and gives others heads up on future money making opportunities....that's contributing. Everyone calm down and open your mind

your going to have to go to post 16 on this topic and read the second little paragraph .. then you can say what you want .. i know what happened here .he started  a couple posts before that claiming someone is talking about a huge rv for no reason .. but start at #16 the second paragraph .. your buddy ..i aready know  how this thread got to this point ..

[Flatbush Zombies]

your going to have to go to post 16 on this topic and read the second little paragraph .. then you can say what you want .. i know what happened here .he started  a couple posts before that claiming someone is talking about a huge rv for no reason .. but start at #16 the second paragraph .. your buddy ..i aready know  how this thread got to this point ..

This is exactly what I'm talking about....just a childish response. The facts are, 20 mil has contributed probably more than anyone on here and is a respectful and intelligent person. He knows what he's talking about so I would suggest actually paying attention to what he says. Your average "investor" here has zero experience. 20 mil knows currency and last time I checked the dinar is a currency and he has interest in it. He even went as far to show you proof that he makes money on here. He didn't have to do that but sometimes people can't go by what someone says but if you read what 20 mil says, you can tell he's not just talking the talk.

[dontlop]

Bumper, 20 mil has always been respectful and very knowledgable. It's a common theme here at dinar vets lately....someone brings up logic and common sense and the same people get upset over and over and over again. Nothing but bitter haters and they are jealous of 20 mil in my opinion. Whenever anyone posts anything that doesn't say go rv they are told to leave or they are ganged up on by the mindless go rv sheep. Why wouldn't you want both sides? Why would you want to be ignorant to reality or to truth? Why cant certain members here have a civil debate with people that show the other side. This site us becoming dominated by conspiracy and hatred. A lot of smart members quit posting here and many could have learned a lot from them. 20 mil is constantly giving advice to people about things other than dinar. He doesn't have to do that at all. Caz, yota, and don'tlop need to stop getting so sensitive to reality. Be glad that someone as knowledgable as 20 mil is sharing his experiences. Anyone can copy and past an article...that's not contributing....20 mil takes his time to explain things and gives others heads up on future money making opportunities....that's contributing. Everyone calm down and open your mind

if thats not enough .. take a look  at your buddy  and how he entered this  topic this afternoon . today .. on post # 23

http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/141946-what-if-the-iqd-was-backed-by-oil/page-2

 

im not interested inthat kind of intelligence  thanks

Edited February 22, 2013 by dontlop

[Flatbush Zombies]

if thats not enough .. take a look  at your buddy  and how he entered this  topic this afternoon . today .. on post # 23

http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/141946-what-if-the-iqd-was-backed-by-oil/page-2

I'm done responding to you. No disrespect but you're wasting my time. I wish others would stop responding to you too until you can have an adult debate. Take care and live well

[dontlop]

Bumper, 20 mil has always been respectful and very knowledgable. It's a common theme here at dinar vets lately....someone brings up logic and common sense and the same people get upset over and over and over again. Nothing but bitter haters and they are jealous of 20 mil in my opinion. Whenever anyone posts anything that doesn't say go rv they are told to leave or they are ganged up on by the mindless go rv sheep. Why wouldn't you want both sides? Why would you want to be ignorant to reality or to truth? Why cant certain members here have a civil debate with people that show the other side. This site us becoming dominated by conspiracy and hatred. A lot of smart members quit posting here and many could have learned a lot from them. 20 mil is constantly giving advice to people about things other than dinar. He doesn't have to do that at all. Caz, yota, and don'tlop need to stop getting so sensitive to reality. Be glad that someone as knowledgable as 20 mil is sharing his experiences. Anyone can copy and past an article...that's not contributing....20 mil takes his time to explain things and gives others heads up on future money making opportunities....that's contributing. Everyone calm down and open your mind

of course you dont want to look at the disrespect from him after you just made this statement

[Bumper64]

Flatbush Zombies,  

 

I have been a mod on here for several years and I know most of these members well!  If you read what I said you will see that I didn't use one single name when I made my post!    When I single out someone in a thread publicly you can bet that they are just one step away from being banned and you do not see that above.  I have read a lot of post from just about everyone of the members in this thread and they have been around long enough to know how I handle things!    I read this thread and want ALL THE FIGHTING AND BAD LANGUAGE TO STOP!!!! 

 

Thanks

Bump

This is all about the debate!!  There will always be a little heat, it is my job to stop the heat from turning into a full blown fire!!  Their is a post in this thread that you can't see where a lot of bad language was used and that's why I stepped in to stop this!!  Let's get back to friendly debate or I will just shut this thread down!!

[Flatbush Zombies]

Flatbush Zombies,  

 

I have been a mod on here for several years and I know most of these members well!  If you read what I said you will see that I didn't use one single name when I made my post!    When I single out someone in a thread publicly you can bet that they are just one step away from being banned and you do not see that above.  I have read a lot of post from just about everyone of the members in this thread and they have been around long enough to know how I handle things!    I read this thread and want ALL THE FIGHTING AND BAD LANGUAGE TO STOP!!!! 

 

Thanks

Bump

Sorry if you misunderstood my post, I apologize. I wasn't saying you were singling out 20. I was just bringing up the fact that 20 is a knowledgable member here and that when someone says anything that makes sense here that they are usually ganged up on. As I've told you before, you're the best mod we have here and a fair to members and I respect that. I wish the conspiracy and the hatred and the insanity would stop with members here. I thought we were all adults with a goal in mind. The sensitivity levels are through the roof with some here.

[20Mil]

This is exactly what I'm talking about....just a childish response. The facts are, 20 mil has contributed probably more than anyone on here and is a respectful and intelligent person. He knows what he's talking about so I would suggest actually paying attention to what he says. Your average "investor" here has zero experience. 20 mil knows currency and last time I checked the dinar is a currency and he has interest in it. He even went as far to show you proof that he makes money on here. He didn't have to do that but sometimes people can't go by what someone says but if you read what 20 mil says, you can tell he's not just talking the talk.

 

 

Thanks Flatbush,

 

Unfortunately it is very difficult to post facts here without being questioned or attacked by the a few people, DontLop is obviously one of them. Anybody reading through this thread knows exactly what I'm talking about.  Yes I called Yota out and said something I probably shouldn't have said on this public forum, but that was after a blatant attack on my business as a trader saying that what I do is unethical. Yet he is here posting everyday speculating for a 100,000% RV in the Dinar.

 

DontLop is a child and never brings any substance to this forum so I am done responding to him anyways. I'm not going to waste my time with him anymore.  

 

I took a couple month break from this forum because of the stupidity, sarcasm, and lack of want for reality from most members of this forum.  I could help anybody here be more aware of potential possibilities to increase your wealth, shoot, I'd be willing to give a few real-time trade calls if anybody was interested.  

 

I thought the main point of being on this forum is to increase our wealth by making money!  Anybody can open up a brokerage account in their name and make money like me and I'm willing to help every step of the way.

 

Any takers?

 

There's no need for jealousy, there's no need to make sarcastic remarks (yes I made one in DontLop's thread earlier and I apologize, won't happen again), there's no need to question someone's credibility after they go out of their way to show results which are solid, there's no need to bash the current financial system because anybody speculating on Dinar is involved with the current global financial system whether they like it or not. They WILL need to cash in at a bank that is part of the current financial system.

 

Guys, we are here to make money and increase our wealth, period! If you're here for anything else you may need to take a step back and ask yourself what your current goals are...

[Bumper64]

Sorry if you misunderstood my post, I apologize. I wasn't saying you were singling out 20. I was just bringing up the fact that 20 is a knowledgable member here and that when someone says anything that makes sense here that they are usually ganged up on. As I've told you before, you're the best mod we have here and a fair to members and I respect that. I wish the conspiracy and the hatred and the insanity would stop with members here. I thought we were all adults with a goal in mind. The sensitivity levels are through the roof with some here.

 

 

I don't have issues with 20mil either! I think he is very smart and has a lot of good info!  Like I said, I step in when the language turns bad and I put out the fires and we will leave it at that!! 

Thanks Flatbush,

 

Unfortunately it is very difficult to post facts here without being questioned or attacked by the a few people, DontLop is obviously one of them. Anybody reading through this thread knows exactly what I'm talking about.  Yes I called Yota out and said something I probably shouldn't have said on this public forum, but that was after a blatant attack on my business as a trader saying that what I do is unethical. Yet he is here posting everyday speculating for a 100,000% RV in the Dinar.

 

DontLop is a child and never brings any substance to this forum so I am done responding to him anyways. I'm not going to waste my time with him anymore.  

 

I took a couple month break from this forum because of the stupidity, sarcasm, and lack of want for reality from most members of this forum.  I could help anybody here be more aware of potential possibilities to increase your wealth, shoot, I'd be willing to give a few real-time trade calls if anybody was interested.  

 

I thought the main point of being on this forum is to increase our wealth by making money!  Anybody can open up a brokerage account in their name and make money like me and I'm willing to help every step of the way.

 

Any takers?

 

There's no need for jealousy, there's no need to make sarcastic remarks (yes I made one in DontLop's thread earlier and I apologize, won't happen again), there's no need to question someone's credibility after they go out of their way to show results which are solid, there's no need to bash the current financial system because anybody speculating on Dinar is involved with the current global financial system whether they like it or not. They WILL need to cash in at a bank that is part of the current financial system.

 

Guys, we are here to make money and increase our wealth, period! If you're here for anything else you may need to take a step back and ask yourself what your current goals are...

 

 

Make sure you run this through Adam before doing side business off of his site!!

[Flatbush Zombies]

Thanks Flatbush,

 

Unfortunately it is very difficult to post facts here without being questioned or attacked by the a few people, DontLop is obviously one of them. Anybody reading through this thread knows exactly what I'm talking about.  Yes I called Yota out and said something I probably shouldn't have said on this public forum, but that was after a blatant attack on my business as a trader saying that what I do is unethical. Yet he is here posting everyday speculating for a 100,000% RV in the Dinar.

 

DontLop is a child and never brings any substance to this forum so I am done responding to him anyways. I'm not going to waste my time with him anymore.  

 

I took a couple month break from this forum because of the stupidity, sarcasm, and lack of want for reality from most members of this forum.  I could help anybody here be more aware of potential possibilities to increase your wealth, shoot, I'd be willing to give a few real-time trade calls if anybody was interested.  

 

I thought the main point of being on this forum is to increase our wealth by making money!  Anybody can open up a brokerage account in their name and make money like me and I'm willing to help every step of the way.

 

Any takers?

 

There's no need for jealousy, there's no need to make sarcastic remarks (yes I made one in DontLop's thread earlier and I apologize, won't happen again), there's no need to question someone's credibility after they go out of their way to show results which are solid, there's no need to bash the current financial system because anybody speculating on Dinar is involved with the current global financial system whether they like it or not. They WILL need to cash in at a bank that is part of the current financial system.

 

Guys, we are here to make money and increase our wealth, period! If you're here for anything else you may need to take a step back and ask yourself what your current goals are...

This response here is why I have nothing but respect for 20 mil. Members here should pay attention to this. Just saying

[20Mil]

Flatbush Zombies,  

 

I have been a mod on here for several years and I know most of these members well!  If you read what I said you will see that I didn't use one single name when I made my post!    When I single out someone in a thread publicly you can bet that they are just one step away from being banned and you do not see that above.  I have read a lot of post from just about everyone of the members in this thread and they have been around long enough to know how I handle things!    I read this thread and want ALL THE FIGHTING AND BAD LANGUAGE TO STOP!!!! 

 

Thanks

Bump

This is all about the debate!!  There will always be a little heat, it is my job to stop the heat from turning into a full blown fire!!  Their is a post in this thread that you can't see where a lot of bad language was used and that's why I stepped in to stop this!!  Let's get back to friendly debate or I will just shut this thread down!!

 

Bumper,

 

I'm curious, I know that I was the one who said a "bad word": to Yota but that was after the following post:  Thanks for the  education of the thieving and manipulators that have our Economy in Shambles, Hope your Proud and you don't choke on all that Honest Money that folks like you continue to strangle from Real hard working Americans and sending this country into a bliss.... just to benefit your pocket.. I know how the system works and as that saying.. All Good Things Come to End..Enjoy it for now..for that day is coming upon you and I hope it slaps you so hard that you realize just how it feels..ENJOY.. 

Is that really acceptable here after I posted results to show credibility?

Is that really acceptable here considering the fact that everybody here is looking to benefit off of a new currency which is a bi-product of war, invasion, and a new government of Iraq?

Is that really acceptable here to tell someone who has worked long and hard for success that you are hoping that it "slaps you so hard that you realize just how it feels"  ?

 

I know Yota is a consistent poster but I don't feel it is right to come and do a hit n run like that!  Not acceptable in my book which was the only reason for my response back to him.  He was being hypocritical and the drive by was uncalled for.  You guys call the shots so you obviously will do what you feel is right and if deleting my post is what you need to do then so be it.  I recommend reading through this entire thread one more time with an unbiased view and see who are the trouble makers. It's clear in my eyes as well as probably most everybody else here.

I don't have issues with 20mil either! I think he is very smart and has a lot of good info!  Like I said, I step in when the language turns bad and I put out the fires and we will leave it at that!! 

 

 

Make sure you run this through Adam before doing side business off of his site!!

 

 

Ahhh yes. Didn't even cross my mind.  I will keep posting ideas and making calls in the different forums that the information will pertain to. I guess I was just making a point that I'm willing to help in any way that I know how to help people increase their income.

[Bumper64]

Do you know if I talked to yota about this??    You can't see everything we mods do!!  

 

I never called your name out for the language in public and just unapproved the message so that others couldn't see it and we could all move on!!

 

Always remember that this is Adam's house and pay him respect through communication on ideas as you would like done in YOUR house!!