FORD OR FOREIGN

[blessedman]

Been a GM man since my '64 Impala SS..........what a car.............never considered buying foriegn...........my wife bought a VW a few years back what a piece of junk took it to an old time VW mechanic and he refused to work because it was made in Mexico..........I recently bought my first foriegn car because the deal was to good to pass on..............I was born in England and always had a curiosity about Jaguars..........well now I own an XJ8 and must say it is the finest car I have ever owned.......classic styling, ride, handling, craftmanship and better gas mileage than my old car which had a V6. All the reliabilty crap and repair nightmares may have been true about the ones before FORD took over however the newer ones have very high ratings.

[Pitcher]

FORD

FOUND

ON

ROAD

DEAD

THATS WHAT I GET TOLD FOR BUYING FORDS , BUT I STILL BUY FORDS

BUY A FORD

[Retiredofficer]

Yes there is money that goes back over seas but alot of that money is paid to the workers here in the US making those cars so you really are helping our economy no matter who you buy from nowadays....

Yes we they are helping...but not at the level it could be. Ford sells cars in Japan...but the tariffs place them at a disadvantage to compete with Japanese manufactured vehicles being sold in Japan.

Union wages for a long time forces "owners" (i.e. Ford Family holds ownership in roughly 46% of common stock & 85% of preferred stock offerings) to ship their production or a parts of production outside of country

Another problem.... Boeing Corp. is being sued by Federal Govt(Fed. Labor Relations Board) because they moved 35% of production to South Carolina( Right to Work State) Why? Because they learned that could get sections of their new aircraft built quicker, cheaper, and at the same level of quality. Boeing could tell the US Govt up your arse and move all their production to China (very viable option) because 86% of all their current and future sales will be made there.

Unions...are starting to realize that their socialist patterns of behavior are growing old... take Ford and UAW. They recently signed 3 year contract in record time without Ford giving up anything. How did this happen. Ford Ownership shared some profits with blue collar work force & Ford does not need to rely on the American Consumer as much. They are doing very well in other parts of the world(minus Japan).

Ford reliability has been improving. They learned a lot from owning both Volvo & Mazda Platforms...which they have sold but still have rights to their safety & quality control innovations for 10 years.

Keep..Japan makes good cars, no dealt...we taught them everything we know.... We just have a problem in this country with people in this country who think it is their right to make $50,000 a year on an assembly line or what have you with only a high school diploma. How can we justify equal pay for a guy putting 4 screws in the base of a bench seat of a F-150 with limited education to that of a say non-union teacher with a masters degree who works in a right to work state. We don't in South Carolina. ...

Keep...by the way my dad was a chief negotiator for Ford back in the 70's. He laid off 10,000's of workers which affected 100,000 of people. He hated doing...it was then that Henry Ford II & Edsel saw the righting on the wall.

[vjc]

[ Hell, the unions were one of the biggest reasons for the financial problems of the US car manufacturers.

On Dec. 20, 2008, the Bush administration made a bailout loan to G.M. of $4 billion available Dec. 29, $5.4 billion on Jan. 16, 2009, and $4 billion on Feb. 17

DETROIT -- The President and CEO of Ford Motor Co. received a pay package valued at $26.5 million in 2010, up 48 percent from 2009, according to an analysis by The Associated Press.

Akerson, of course, is the CEO of General Motors, the former ward of the government that is now just a part-ward of the government. GM said today Akerson’s annualized target pay package is valued at $9 million.

Akerson was named CEO just on September 1, so he didn’t pull in that whole package for the year. GM valued his actual 2010 compensation at $2.53 million, reported Deal Journal colleague Sharon Terlep. That figure includes $1.77 million in stock awards and a $566,667 salary just by way of comparison, one of Akerson’s predecessors — former GM CEO Rick Wagoner Jr. — pulled down total pay valued at $14.4 million for 2007, before GM fell apart and needed an unprecedented taxpayer-supported trip through bankruptcy court

The highest-paid executive at Chrysler, Sergio Marchionne, who is head of both Chrysler and Italy's Fiat, is not affected by the pay restrictions because he receives his salary from Fiat. The pay czar's filing showed that the second-highest paid executive at Chrysler will receive $500,000 in cash salary this year and total compensation of $1.18 million.

yep sure looks like its all the unions fault

Now i can remember back a few years union brothers gave consessions of 1/2 million or so dollars. I think to GM. Then within days the upper white collar employees went to the bank and had a check in there names for half of the money that was on paper only? Look how much we will save the company over 4 years cut us a check and we will give you some!!! Business in America you got to love it. Soon after this we need to bail them out. And this is why the companys needed bail money. And Obama (Your Fired) the top brass!!! Nuff Said and the truth this time!!!

[krome2ez]

Been a GM man since my '64 Impala SS..........what a car.............never considered buying foriegn...........my wife bought a VW a few years back what a piece of junk took it to an old time VW mechanic and he refused to work because it was made in Mexico..........I recently bought my first foriegn car because the deal was to good to pass on..............I was born in England and always had a curiosity about Jaguars..........well now I own an XJ8 and must say it is the finest car I have ever owned.......classic styling, ride, handling, craftmanship and better gas mileage than my old car which had a V6. All the reliabilty crap and repair nightmares may have been true about the ones before FORD took over however the newer ones have very high ratings.

Check under the styling of your Jag,

and you'll find a Ford chassis.

[blessedman]

Check under the styling of your Jag,

and you'll find a Ford chassis.

Since Ford took them over Jags have become world class vehicles once again.....................Ford has done a great job as far as quality is concerned.

[Benjamin NutnYahoo]

I have been looking around at the new cars. Really like some of the GM cars and the Chryslers have great ratings. But wait! I remembered that Obama "GAVE" the

Unions large portions of both GM(@35%) and Chrysler(may eventually l own up to 55%). I looked it up on the internet to confirm. Hell, the unions were one of the biggest reasons for the financial problems of the US car manufacturers.

Then I remembered the speech where the Union president wants to " take all those S.O.B.'s "OUT"". I guess he means anyone who doesn't vote HIS way, or,

someone that he may consider wealthy(I sure would like to see his financial sheet). Either way I am either one of the SOB's or, soon will be.

Well anyway, I decided that its either Ford of foreign for me. I don't consider GM and Chrysler as a US automaker anymore. I consider them a Union

automaker and, I know that the Union doesn't want to do business with an SOB.

So mister Union president, I am sure you know where the sun don't shine. Bend over, take a look up there and you will find all the GM and Chrysler cars that I would have

bought, both now and, in the future.................... My one man campaign against American terrorism.

P.S.: No, I don't own Ford stock and I have been driving GM cars a long time.

And you really believe that your tax dollars have not been subsidizing foreign car companies since the early to mid 70s?? I would rather use my tax dollars on an American car company any day the to use my tax dollars subsidizing foriegn car companies to set up and maintain shop in the us. I don't remember anybody asking me if thats where I wanted my hard earned dollars. I drive a NEW Chevy and am proud of it. Foreign cars have been way overrated for years.

First new car I ever owned, a dodge. Got it home and looked a little closer at the engine, mitsubishi.

After that I bought a nissan and got over 200,000 on it and would have gotten a lot more but I did not change my water hoses when I should have and it leaked some and replaced it with water, mistake. Rusted out the engine. Brother and sister got a ford, brothers engine locked up tiny bit over 100,000 after changing the oil on time every time, sisters timing belt went out at 100,000 and was going to cost 1200, dollars and she got rid of it. I bout a toyota this time because they were willing to deal a little more, good safty record, and then all the recalls hit and have had a stall problem from day 1 that is intermittant that they cant fix because its intermittent. And as far as private unions are concerned no problem. But public unions, I say dont feed them and they will go away like the cat at your door. They are sucking us dry, pentions and all.

My mom had a Toyota Camry and she couldnt 80k miles out of it before it began to stay in the shop.

Since Ford took them over Jags have become world class vehicles once again.....................Ford has done a great job as far as quality is concerned.

Ford no longer owns Jag. Its owned by Tata motors in India.

I have been looking around at the new cars. Really like some of the GM cars and the Chryslers have great ratings. But wait! I remembered that Obama "GAVE" the

Unions large portions of both GM(@35%) and Chrysler(may eventually l own up to 55%). I looked it up on the internet to confirm. Hell, the unions were one of the biggest reasons for the financial problems of the US car manufacturers.

Then I remembered the speech where the Union president wants to " take all those S.O.B.'s "OUT"". I guess he means anyone who doesn't vote HIS way, or,

someone that he may consider wealthy(I sure would like to see his financial sheet). Either way I am either one of the SOB's or, soon will be.

Well anyway, I decided that its either Ford of foreign for me. I don't consider GM and Chrysler as a US automaker anymore. I consider them a Union

automaker and, I know that the Union doesn't want to do business with an SOB.

So mister Union president, I am sure you know where the sun don't shine. Bend over, take a look up there and you will find all the GM and Chrysler cars that I would have

bought, both now and, in the future.................... My one man campaign against American terrorism.

P.S.: No, I don't own Ford stock and I have been driving GM cars a long time.

If it were not for unions we would all be working at slave wages in sweat shops. People got their heads cracked in the 1930s fighting for decent working conditions that why we have unions. Maybe one of your relatives was one who died for fair labor.

Edited December 1, 2011 by Benjamin NutnYahoo

[DiveDeepSix]

I've been driving both Fords and Chevys for a long time, my next vehicle will most likely be a Ford vs anything from Government Motor Company. As the owner of a couple small businesses it fries me to no end that our tax dollars bailed these guys out. If you can't run your business efficiently you shouldn't be in business. None of the small businesses get bailouts and nor do most want one, to me it's a sign of complete management failure. I agree 100% the unions started out as a good thing but are now more of a scourge on our country then anything. They have outlived there usefulness. I have a bunch of friends that work for unions and some of the stories I hear about waste and laziness are just plain crazy, no wonder a new vehicle now costs more than my first house did.

[Benjamin NutnYahoo]

I have been looking around at the new cars. Really like some of the GM cars and the Chryslers have great ratings. But wait! I remembered that Obama "GAVE" the

Unions large portions of both GM(@35%) and Chrysler(may eventually l own up to 55%). I looked it up on the internet to confirm. Hell, the unions were one of the biggest reasons for the financial problems of the US car manufacturers.

Then I remembered the speech where the Union president wants to " take all those S.O.B.'s "OUT"". I guess he means anyone who doesn't vote HIS way, or,

someone that he may consider wealthy(I sure would like to see his financial sheet). Either way I am either one of the SOB's or, soon will be.

Well anyway, I decided that its either Ford of foreign for me. I don't consider GM and Chrysler as a US automaker anymore. I consider them a Union

automaker and, I know that the Union doesn't want to do business with an SOB.

So mister Union president, I am sure you know where the sun don't shine. Bend over, take a look up there and you will find all the GM and Chrysler cars that I would have

bought, both now and, in the future.................... My one man campaign against American terrorism.

P.S.: No, I don't own Ford stock and I have been driving GM cars a long time.

I would buy an American Belt over a foreign one if I could. I buy American when possible. Thats the problem with this country now. Why send money over seas when it needs to be here?

What is proud about seeing a japanese company outsell an American company just because so many people think its in fashion to drive a foreign jalopy?

[DiveDeepSix]

Oh and I'm sure this post will have offended someone from a union somewhere. I'll get the hey we brought you the weekends, and got rid of $2 per hour jobs, etc. etc. That's why I said at one time they were a good thing, but now the work environment is not that way. I personally feel the whole world should be paid off of straight commission, that way you get paid what your worth. If you are a good worker and your employee won't pay you what you deserve find one who will pay you what you deserve. $100,000 effort gets $100,000 but if your lazy and sit on your butt all day you don't deserve to be paid what the guy/gal next to you, working their tail off is getting. Business pros will pay more for good people and do more to keep them on board. As far as work place conditions isn't that what OCEA is for? We get to pay for that too not to mention the asinine insurance costs for having a business, the taxes and everything else. In closing if you like unions, work for one, if you don't then don't I prefer getting paid for my work effort and what I'm worth and that's just my opinion so take it for what its worth and have a great day, we are all in this crazy world together!

[Benjamin NutnYahoo]

And you can keep it local....alot of foreign cars are actually produced/manufactured/assembled here.....

No..more like just assembled here. People buy and the bottom line is shipped back to Japan. Show me a factory where they actually cast the blocks for the engines.

HELLS YEA... I drove chevy most of my life and back in 2003 I purchashed my first mustang and loved it, then in 2007 bought a new mustang and havent look back, I married in to a decendent of Henery Ford and it is all Ford all the time.. just lovin it. Ford was the only Big 3 automakers who didn't take a gov. bailout. and they are on top... support the USA no foreign autos...

F O R D

First On Race Day..... nuff said...

Yeh..buy Ford but GM is again on top as the biggest seller in the world.

[Benjamin NutnYahoo]

I've been driving both Fords and Chevys for a long time, my next vehicle will most likely be a Ford vs anything from Government Motor Company. As the owner of a couple small businesses it fries me to no end that our tax dollars bailed these guys out. If you can't run your business efficiently you shouldn't be in business. None of the small businesses get bailouts and nor do most want one, to me it's a sign of complete management failure. I agree 100% the unions started out as a good thing but are now more of a scourge on our country then anything. They have outlived there usefulness. I have a bunch of friends that work for unions and some of the stories I hear about waste and laziness are just plain crazy, no wonder a new vehicle now costs more than my first house did.

So then guess you would had been more comfortable with over 500.000 people unemployed and getting unemployment benefits? From the Hot dog vender selling lunch, to those who are screwing on fender bolts, to those engineers designing the cars or even those who would be supplying the hundreds of different parts and materials. This country would have fallen like a string of dominoes.

[karl1969]

Ford