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Isaiah 40:22

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

22 It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
 

Yep.

 

The Bible states to Earth IS a globe.

 

Proverbs 8:27

New English Translation

27 When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he marked out the horizon[a] over the face of the deep,

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Proverbs 8:27 sn The infinitive construct בְּחוּקוֹ (bekhuqo, “to cut; to engrave; to mark”) and the noun חוּג (khug, “horizon; circle”) form a paronomasia in the line.
 

Hmmm…….

 

NO mention of “flat” Earth THERE!!!

 

Genesis 1:2

New English Translation

2 Now[a] the earth[b] was without shape and empty,[c] and darkness[d] was over the surface of the watery deep,[e] but the Spirit of God[f] was moving[g] over the surface[h] of the water.[i]

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Genesis 1:2 tn The disjunctive clause (conjunction plus subject plus verb) at the beginning of v. 2gives background information for the following narrative, explaining the state of things when “God said…” (v. 3). Verse one is a title to the chapter, v. 2 provides information about the state of things when God spoke, and v. 3begins the narrative per se with the typical narrative construction (vav[ו] consecutive followed by the prefixed verbal form). (This literary structure is paralleled in the second portion of the book: Gen 2:4provides the title or summary of what follows, 2:5-6 use disjunctive clause structures to give background information for the following narrative, and 2:7 begins the narrative with the vavconsecutive attached to a prefixed verbal form.) Some translate 1:2a“and the earth became,” arguing that v. 1 describes the original creation of the earth, while v. 2refers to a judgment that reduced it to a chaotic condition. Verses 3ff. then describe the re-creation of the earth. However, the disjunctive clause at the beginning of v. 2cannot be translated as if it were relating the next event in a sequence. If v. 2 were sequential to v. 1, the author would have used the vav consecutive followed by a prefixed verbal form and the subject.

Genesis 1:2 tn That is, what we now call “the earth.” The creation of the earth as we know it is described in vv. 9-10. Prior to this the substance which became the earth (= dry land) lay dormant under the water.

Genesis 1:2 tn Traditional translations have followed a more literal rendering of “waste and void.” The words describe a condition that is without form and empty. What we now know as “the earth” was actually an unfilled mass covered by water and darkness. Later תֹהוּ(tohu) and בֹּהוּ (bohu), when used in proximity, describe a situation resulting from judgment (Isa 34:11; Jer 4:23). Both prophets may be picturing judgment as the reversal of creation in which God’s judgment causes the world to revert to its primordial condition. This later use of the terms has led some to conclude that Gen 1:2 presupposes the judgment of a prior world, but it is unsound method to read the later application of the imagery (in a context of judgment) back into Gen 1:2.

Genesis 1:2 sn Darkness. The Hebrew word simply means “darkness,” but in the Bible it has come to symbolize what opposes God, such as judgment (Exod 10:21), death (Ps 88:13), oppression (Isa 9:1), the wicked (1 Sam 2:9) and in general, sin. In Isa 45:7 it parallels “evil.” It is a fitting cover for the primeval waste, but it prepares the reader for the fact that God is about to reveal himself through his works.

Genesis 1:2 tn The Hebrew term תְּהוֹם (tehom, “deep”) refers to the watery deep, the salty ocean—especially the primeval ocean that surrounds and underlies the earth (see Gen 7:11).sn The watery deep. In the Babylonian account of creation Marduk killed the goddess Tiamat (the salty sea) and used her carcass to create heaven and earth. The form of the Hebrew word for “deep” is distinct enough from the name “Tiamat” to deny direct borrowing; however, it is possible that there is a polemical stress here. Ancient Israel does not see the ocean as a powerful deity to be destroyed in creation, only a force of nature that can be controlled by God.

Genesis 1:2 tn The traditional rendering “Spirit of God” is preserved here, as opposed to a translation like “wind from/breath of God” (cf. NRSV) or “mighty wind” (cf. NEB), taking the word “God” to represent the superlative. Elsewhere in the OT the phrase refers consistently to the divine spirit that empowers and energizes individuals (see Gen 41:38; Exod 31:3; 35:31; Num 24:2; 1 Sam 10:10; 11:6; 19:20, 23; Ezek 11:24; 2 Chr 15:1; 24:20).

Genesis 1:2 tn The Hebrew verb has been translated “hovering” or “moving” (as a bird over her young, see Deut 32:11). The Syriac cognate term means “to brood over; to incubate.” How much of that sense might be attached here is hard to say, but the verb does depict the presence of the Spirit of God moving about mysteriously over the waters, presumably preparing for the acts of creation to follow. If one reads “mighty wind” (cf. NEB) then the verse describes how the powerful wind begins to blow in preparation for the creative act described in vv. 9-10. (God also used a wind to drive back the flood waters in Noah’s day. See Gen 8:1.)

Genesis 1:2 tn Heb “face.”

Genesis 1:2 sn The water. The text deliberately changes now from the term for the watery deep to the general word for water. The arena is now the life-giving water and not the chaotic abyss-like deep. The change may be merely stylistic, but it may also carry some significance. The deep carries with it the sense of the abyss, chaos, darkness—in short, that which is not good for life.

 

Hmmm…….

 

NO mention of “flat” Earth THERE!!!

 

Hey, TRY tellin’ yer wife, girl friend, mom, sister, aunt, or any other woman her face is SO BEAUTIFUL IT IS AS FLAT AS THEE “flat” Earth AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!!!

 

Faces, of course, are more spherically contoured than “round” ‘n “flat”!!!

 

Job 26:10

New English Translation

10 He marks out the horizon[a] on the surface of the waters
as a boundary between light and darkness.

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Job 26:10 tn The expression חֹק־חָג(khoq khag) means “he has drawn a limit as a circle.” According to some the form should have been חָק־חוּג(khaq khug, “He has traced a circle”). But others argues that the text is acceptable as is, and can be interpreted as “a limit he has circled.” The Hebrew verbal roots are חָקַק (khaqaq, “to engrave; to sketch out; to trace”) and חוּג (khug, “describe a circle”) respectively.
 

Hmmm…….

 

NO mention of “flat” Earth THERE!!!

 

The Earth is a THREE dimensional circumscription NOT a TWO dimensional circumscription!!!

 

Praise The LORD!!!

 

 

Job 38:12-15

New English Translation

12 Have you ever in your life[a]commanded the morning,
or made the dawn know[b] its place,
13 that it might seize the corners of the earth,[c]
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;[d]
its features[e] are dyed[f] like a garment.
15 Then from the wicked the light is withheld,
and the arm raised in violence[g] is broken.[h]

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Job 38:12 tn The Hebrew idiom is “have you from your days?” It means “never in your life” (see 1 Sam 25:28; 1 Kgs 1:6).

Job 38:12 tn The verb is the Piel of יָדַע (yadaʿ, “to know”) with a double accusative.

Job 38:13 sn The poetic image is that darkness or night is like a blanket that covers the earth, and at dawn it is taken by the edges and shaken out. Since the wicked function under the cover of night, they are included in the shaking when the dawn comes up.

Job 38:14 sn The verse needs to be understood in the context: as the light shines in the dawn, the features of the earth take on a recognizable shape or form. The language is phenomenological.

Job 38:14 tn Heb “they”; the referent (the objects or features on the earth) has been specified in the translation for clarity.

Job 38:14 tc The MT reads “they stand up like a garment” (NASB, NIV) or “its features stand out like a garment” (ESV). The reference could be either to embroidered decoration on a garment or to the folds of a garment (REB “until all things stand out like the folds of a cloak”; cf. J. E. Hartley, Job[NICOT], 497, “the early light of day makes the earth appear as a beautiful garment, exquisite in design and glorious in color”). Since this is thought to be an odd statement, some suggest with Ehrlich that the text be changed to תִּצָּבַּע (titsabbaʿ, “is dyed [like a garment]”). This reference would be to the colors appearing on the earth’s surface under daylight. The present translation follows the emendation.

Job 38:15 tn Heb “the raised arm.” The words “in violence” are not in the Hebrew text, but are supplied in the translation to clarify the metaphor.

Job 38:15 sn What is active at night, the violence symbolized by the raised arm, is broken with the dawn. G. R. Driver thought the whole verse referred to stars, and that the arm is the navigator’s term for the line of stars (“Two astronomical passages in the Old Testament,” JTS 4 [1953]: 208-12).
 

Yep.

 

A POETIC description!!!

 

Psalm 93:1

New English Translation

Psalm 93[a]

93 The Lord reigns.
He is robed in majesty.
The Lord is robed;
he wears strength around his waist.[b]
Indeed, the world is established; it cannot be moved.

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Psalm 93:1 sn Psalm 93. The psalmist affirms that the Lord is the king of the universe who preserves order and suppresses the destructive forces in the world.

Psalm 93:1 sn Strength is compared here to a belt that one wears for support. The Lord’s power undergirds his rule.

 

Yep.

 

NO “flat” Earth THERE!!!

 

A simile!!!

 

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sim·i·le

noun

a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g., as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox ).

the use of simile.

"his audacious deployment of simile and metaphor"

 

Genesis 1:6-8

New English Translation

6 God said, “Let there be an expanse[a]in the midst of the waters and let it separate water[b] from water.” 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it.[c] It was so.[d] 8 God called the expanse “sky.”[e] There was evening, and there was morning, a second day.

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Genesis 1:6 tn The Hebrew word refers to an expanse of air pressure between the surface of the sea and the clouds, separating water below from water above. In v. 8 it is called “sky.”sn An expanse. In the poetic texts the writers envision, among other things, something rather strong and shiny, no doubt influencing the traditional translation “firmament” (cf. NRSV “dome”). Job 37:18 refers to the skies poured out like a molten mirror. Dan 12:3 and Ezek 1:22portray it as shiny. The sky or atmosphere may have seemed like a glass dome. For a detailed study of the Hebrew conception of the heavens and sky, see L. I. J. Stadelmann, The Hebrew Conception of the World (AnBib), 37-60.

Genesis 1:6 tn Heb “the waters from the waters.”

Genesis 1:7 tn Heb “the expanse.”

Genesis 1:7 tn This statement indicates that it happened the way God designed it, underscoring the connection between word and event.

Genesis 1:8 tn Though the Hebrew word can mean “heaven,” it refers in this context to “the sky.”

 

Yep.

 

NO “flat” Earth THERE!!!

 

”firmament” is OBVIOUSLY a notable INFERIOR translation to the English language!!!

 

Genesis 1:14-18

New English Translation

14 God said, “Let there be lights[a] in the expanse[b] of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them be signs[c] to indicate seasons and days and years, 15 and let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” It was so. 16 God made two great lights[d]—the greater light to rule over the day and the lesser light to rule over the night. He made the stars also.[e] 17 God placed the lights[f] in the expanse of the sky to shine on the earth, 18 to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness.[g] God saw that it was good. 

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Genesis 1:14 sn Let there be lights. Light itself was created before the light-bearers. The order would not seem strange to the ancient Hebrew mind that did not automatically link daylight with the sun (note that dawn and dusk appear to have light without the sun).

Genesis 1:14 tn The language describing the cosmos, which reflects a prescientific view of the world, must be interpreted as phenomenal, describing what appears to be the case. The sun and the moon are not in the sky (below the clouds), but from the viewpoint of a person standing on the earth, they appear that way. Even today we use similar phenomenological expressions, such as “the sun is rising” or “the stars in the sky.”

Genesis 1:14 tn The text has “for signs and for seasons and for days and years.” It seems likely from the meanings of the words involved that “signs” is the main idea, followed by two categories, “seasons” and “days and years.” This is the simplest explanation, and one that matches vv. 11-13. It could even be rendered “signs for the fixed seasons, that is [explicative vav (ו)] days and years.”sn Let them be for signs. The point is that the sun and the moon were important to fix the days for the seasonal celebrations for the worshiping community.

Genesis 1:16 sn Two great lights. The text goes to great length to discuss the creation of these lights, suggesting that the subject was very important to the ancients. Since these “lights” were considered deities in the ancient world, the section serves as a strong polemic (see G. Hasel, “The Polemical Nature of the Genesis Cosmology,” EvQ 46 [1974]: 81-102). The Book of Genesis is affirming they are created entities, not deities. To underscore this the text does not even give them names. If used here, the usual names for the sun and moon [Shemesh and Yarih, respectively] might have carried pagan connotations, so they are simply described as greater and lesser lights. Moreover, they serve in the capacity that God gives them, which would not be the normal function the pagans ascribed to them. They merely divide, govern, and give light in God’s creation.

Genesis 1:16 tn Heb “and the stars.” Now the term “stars” is added as a third object of the verb “made.” Perhaps the language is phenomenological, meaning that the stars appeared in the sky from this time forward.

Genesis 1:17 tn Heb “them”; the referent (the lights mentioned in the preceding verses) has been specified in the translation for clarity.

Genesis 1:18 sn In days one to three there is a naming by God; in days five and six there is a blessing by God. But on day four there is neither. It could be a mere stylistic variation. But it could also be a deliberate design to avoid naming “sun” and “moon” or promoting them beyond what they are, things that God made to serve in his creation.
 

Yep.

 

Describes the COSMOS NOT the “flat” Earth “dome”.

 

”flat” Earth is a wonton distortion of Biblical Spriptures and an OUTRIGHT LIE.

 

”flat” Earth.

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On 2/10/2024 at 9:03 AM, MyLadiesDaddy said:

Oh! They're going to try FAR WORSE. 

 

Remember, it was the CIA who assassinated Kennedy. 

That is obviously the greatest fear.

The question is, will they find a shooter not just capable of an 1800+ yard shot, but also fanatic enough to not care if the round hits an innocent target after a mile plus down range.

As you know, even with environmental factors correctly adjusted the chances of missing due to variables are greater than the chances of a hit, especially in a dense urban setting with tall buildings.

I'm certain an individual with the ability will not take the shot, due directly to the common sense required to be able to make it.

Not saying there aren't fanatic monsters happy to try, rather, I believe those folks no longer have the sanity for success.

Then again, I also would not disregard the earnest prayers of 74 million conservatives prayers either.

 

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1 hour ago, divemaster5734 said:

The question is, will they find a shooter not just capable of an 1800+ yard shot, but also fanatic enough to not care if the round hits an innocent target after a mile plus down range.

 

Great point!

 

In an open area, the Coriolis Effect is notable for long range shooting and must be accounted for based on the direction of shooting and whether or not in the Northern or Southern Hemispheres on a Spherical (Geoidal) Earth.

 

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Co·ri·o·lis ef·fect

/ˌkôrēˈōləs iˌfekt/

noun

PHYSICS

an effect whereby a mass moving in a rotating system experiences a force (the Coriolis force ) acting perpendicular to the direction of motion and to the axis of rotation. On the earth, the effect tends to deflect moving objects to the right in the northern hemisphere and to the left in the southern and is important in the formation of cyclonic weather systems.

 

Coriolis Effect - Island Physics

 

Long-Range Snipers and the Coriolis & Eötvös Effects – FlatEarth.ws

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4 hours ago, Synopsis said:

PHYSICS

 

FERC - How Snipers Adjust For The Coriolis Effect (Coriolis Effect Exposed).

More is on the way however I am super busy right now. I'll be back  -  for sure. 

Peace,

 

Come on RV

 

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13 hours ago, bigwave said:

More is on the way however I am super busy right now. I'll be back  -  for sure. 

 

21 hours ago, Synopsis said:

Genesis 1:2 tn Heb “face.”

Genesis 1:2 sn The water. The text deliberately changes now from the term for the watery deep to the general word for water. The arena is now the life-giving water and not the chaotic abyss-like deep. The change may be merely stylistic, but it may also carry some significance. The deep carries with it the sense of the abyss, chaos, darkness—in short, that which is not good for life.

 

Hmmm…….

 

NO mention of “flat” Earth THERE!!!

 

Hey, TRY tellin’ yer wife, girl friend, mom, sister, aunt, or any other woman her face is SO BEAUTIFUL IT IS AS FLAT AS THEE “flat” Earth AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!!!

 

Faces, of course, are more spherically contoured than “round” ‘n “flat”!!!

 

WHAT, pray tell, might YOU, @bigwave, be doing that is of ANY value WHATSOEVER???!!!

 

I do NOT suggest YOU, @bigwave, TRY tellin' yer wife HER FACE IS SO BEAUTIFUL IT IS AS FLAT AS THEE “flat” Earth TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!!!

 

THAT, prayed and told, IS NOT GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH OR WELLBEING!!!

 

ACCORDINGLY, pray tell, are YOU, @bigwave, STILL "trying" to overcome and/or silence the TRUTH AND facts the Earth is Spherical (Geoidal) in shape with LIES AND "flat" Earth nonsense materials and "proofs"???!!!

 

People know AND believe the Earth is Spherical (Geoidal) in shape based on THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL OBSERVATIONS NOT BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE TOLD IN THE PAST.

 

Get it???!!!

 

FURTHER, pray tell, WHY DO YOU DISTORT THE BIBLE TO INFER THE Earth is "flat" WHEN THAT IS AN OBVIOUS LIE???!!!

 

YOU, @bigwave, do know where LIES come from don't YOU, @bigwave???!!!

 

John 8:44

New International Version

44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

 

Believing AND proclaiming the TRUTH the Earth is Spherical (Geoidal) in shape instead of "flat" IS A SALVATION ISSUE. This is NOT about a favorite sports team or favorite food where one prefers one and believes one to be better over the other. People who are NOT born again believers in God The Son Jesus Christ KNOW "flat" Earth proponents and especially the "flat" Earth proponents who proclaim the Bible notes the Earth to be "flat" are LIARS then associate the Bible and God The Son Jesus Christ to be irrelevant.

 

So, other born again believers in God The Son Jesus Christ as part of their witness to nonbelievers in God The Son Jesus Christ have yet another obstacle to overcome by telling nonbelievers they are witnessing to the Bible DOES NOT SAY OR INFER THE Earth is "flat" and "flat" Earth believers are LIARS.

 

Do YOU, @bigwave, pray tell, NOT SEE the issue here of WHY, prayed and told, advocating "flat" Earth is a LIE and NOT irrelevant???!!!

 

Myriads of information have been provided to note how one can know the Earth is Spherical (Geoidal) in shape and not "flat" BASED ON THEIR OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS AND NOT WHAT NASA IS SAYING OR WHAT THEY WERE TOLD IN ANY CLASSROOM.

 

Further, prayed and told, to call or even infer Born Again Believers In God The Son Jesus Christ who are astronauts AND went to the moon and back safely during the Apollo Missions are liars is egregious and unthinkable since they DID REALLY go to the moon and back.

 

NOBODY proclaimed the Saturn V Apollo Mission launches to be FAKE when they occured in the 1960s and 1970s since THEY COULD SEE THEM FROM THEIR OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATION!!!

 

Do YOU, @bigwave, pray tell, NOT KNOW the Good Ole Authorized 1611 King Jimmy is an archaic translation with notable differences in word meanings to the English Language TODAY???!!!

 

There are older and more reliable ancient texts available TODAY in the original languages some of the modern translations into the English Language are based on that supercede the Good Ole Authorized 1611 King Jimmy.

 

The English Language IS NOT a divine language. Therefore, THERE ARE NO Divine Translations into the English Language. The Good Ole Authorized 1611 King Jimmy can be a prefered English Text but NOT a Standard Text since the word meanings and sentence structures in the Original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek Languages differ significantly from the English Language.

 

The Standard Texts are the Texts in the Original Languages being Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.

 

The Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek notations DO NOT infer the Earth is "flat" so render the Good Ole Authorized 1611 King Jimmy IRRELEVANT in noting the shape of the Earth WHERE the Good Ole Authorized 1611 King Jimmy seems to give people an impression the Earth is "flat".

 

The Good Ole Authorized 1611 King Jimmy is a PRIMARY TEXT IN THE English Language people use as a premise to distort Scriptutes to infer the Earth is "flat" AND MUST BE ENTIRELY SUSPECT WHEN NOTATIONS ARE MADE TO the Good Ole Authorized 1611 King Jimmy.

 

"flat" Earth is just another cult tool to deceive people AND, ESPECIALLY, drive people AWAY FROM the TRUTH of The Scriptures AND eternal life in God The Son Jesus Christ.

 

People, of course, are free to read the Bible in whatever translation into their language they prefer. I believe God The Holy Spirit speaks to people from the text they are reading in their own primary language of origin even though the word meanings and sentence structures are different than the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts.

 

For the English Language, I believe the New English Translation with the copious amounts of notations to the original language in the Old Testament and the Mounce Reverse Interlinear with the Greek and references to Strong's Concordance for the New Testament to be texts to investigate and potentially use. I like the Classic Amplified Bible for expanded notations to give further clarity to the originating language.

 

There is NO common ground between the TRUTH of the Spherical (Geoidal) Earth and "flat" Earth.

 

Try orienting on the Spherical (Geoidal) Earth with Global Positioning Satellites. It is REAL. Orienting with Global Positioning Satellites has been possible since the 1970s with private aircraft avionics. I can tell YOU, @bigwave, THIS is the TRUTH from MY OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATION AND EXPERIENCE.

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