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Since Liz Cheney has also risen to the top of political chatter....Is she a RINO or a Patriot?  I created this thread for all things Liz Cheney related.  Be kind to one another.  :)

 

USA TODAY

Donald Trump's backers failed to take down Liz Cheney. But the GOP's 'civil war' is nowhere near over.

David Jackson, USA TODAY
Thu, February 4, 2021, 10:15 AM
 
 

WASHINGTON – Donald Trump and his allies lost the first battle for post-election control of the Republican Party Wednesday night – but not without a fight, making clear that the political war within the GOP is nowhere near over.

House Republicans voted Wednesday to keep Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., in her leadership position despite her January impeachment vote against the now-former president. The secret-ballot vote was overwhelmingly in Cheney's favor, 145-61.

Nevertheless, Trump's backers have vowed to defeat Cheney and other Republicans who voted for his impeachment in their future political races.

Others said the contentious House Republican meeting showed how much the party remains in thrall to Trump, despite his election defeat and his impeachment for inciting the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol by extremist supporters.

Republican strategist Liz Mair said Cheney's survival as House leader is "a defeat for the Trumpers," but the former president and his supporters will continue to put pressure on GOP lawmakers and candidates.

"A lot of these people are very scared of Trump and his backers and fear can often wind up dominating," she said.

While voting on the demotion of Cheney, the party's highest-ranking female member, House Republicans did not even consider punishment for far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., a pro-Trump conspiracy theorist whose social media posts have expressed support for violence against political opponents.

The furious intra-party feud will only continue as the Senate opens the second impeachment trial of Trump next week and politicians in both parties gear up for 2022 congressional elections.

GOP huddle: House Republicans, divided and angry, meet to decide fate of Liz Cheney and Marjorie Taylor Greene

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY)  attends the Congressional ceremony for US Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick as he lays in honor in the Rotunda of the US Capitol building on February 3, 2021, in Washington, DC.
Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) attends the Congressional ceremony for US Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick as he lays in honor in the Rotunda of the US Capitol building on February 3, 2021, in Washington, DC.

Cheney's victory, Mair said, "should be seen as a sign that the GOP is already moving on from Trump, and that’s a journey that electoral results suggest Republicans would be smart to continue."

Trump-supporting Republicans had hoped to make an example of Cheney, who will instead remain chair of the House Republican Conference, the third highest position in the House GOP hierarchy.

The Trump faction still plans to back primary challengers to Cheney and nine other House Republicans who voted for impeachment. They have also vowed revenge on any Republican senator who votes to convict Trump in the impeachment trial.

Trump's base vs. traditional Republicans

Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., a fervent Trump supporter, traveled to Wyoming to give a speech against Cheney, the state's sole U.S. House member. Speaking to a crowd of Trump supporters, Gaetz said "we are in a battle for the soul of the Republican Party and I intend to win it."

Cheney votes to impeach Trump: Read GOP Rep. Liz Cheney's statement on why she voted for Trump's impeachment

A number of establishment Republicans rallied behind Cheney, the daughter of former Vice President **** Cheney.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, who made a point of telling people he has not spoken with Trump since Dec. 15, put out a statement calling Cheney "an important leader in our party." McConnell also spoke out against Greene, saying that "loony lies and conspiracy theories are cancer for the Republican Party and our country."

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., speaks as President Donald Trump listens at a campaign rally in support of Senate candidates Sen. Kelly Loeffler, R-Ga., and David Perdue in Dalton, Ga., Jan. 4, 2021.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., speaks as President Donald Trump listens at a campaign rally in support of Senate candidates Sen. Kelly Loeffler, R-Ga., and David Perdue in Dalton, Ga., Jan. 4, 2021.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., while a prominent ally of Trump, also lent his support to Cheney, calling her "one of the strongest and most reliable conservative voices in the Republican Party."

Charlie Sykes, a conservative critic of Trump and an editor-at-large for The Bulwark news website, called the effort to depose Cheney "the first shot in the post-Trump GOP civil war."

Even after the leadership challenge, he added, "she'll face a primary challenge and will probably remain a pariah in right wing circles for years to come."

House Republicans take no action on Greene; Dems to vote Thursday

The decision on Cheney came amid another test of Trump's hold on the party: Greene's political fate.

In the same meeting that saw Cheney retain her leadership role, House Republicans did nothing to reprimand Greene over past comments and social media postings espousing conspiracy theories and questioning whether the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and the Parkland school shooting were real events.

In a fundraising email, Greene told supporters she is being targeted because she "stood up for President Trump."

Establishment Republicans, including several who defended Cheney, had urged their House brethren to repudiate Greene. Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, the lone Senate Republican who voted to convict Trump on his first impeachment charges a year ago, said "our big tent is not large enough to both accommodate conservatives and kooks."

Instead, Democrats who hold the majority in the House, will vote Thursday to remove Greene from her House committee assignments.

Joe Walsh, a former Republican congressman and now a fierce Trump critic, said the party's decision to avoid punishing Greene is more telling than the vote to keep Cheney in leadership.

"The most important vote will be the Wyoming 2022 primary," Walsh said. "If she has a decent challenger, she’ll have a hugely uphill fight. It’s Trump’s party."

An eye on taking back the House – but no consensus on how

Republicans have high hopes of regaining control of the House and Senate in next year's congressional elections, but have very different views on how to do that.

Some Republican members say too close an association with Trump and his most extreme supporters will turn off suburban voters who could make the difference in close contests. Other Republicans say the party needs to rally the base of Trump-supporting voters to put enough GOP candidates over the top.

Democrats are planning to raise the same issues in future elections, seeking to tie Republican candidates to Trump, the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection, and Trump's most extremist supporters.

That includes supporters of QAnon, a complex series of conspiracy theories alleging that the world is run by a cabal of devil-worshiping pedophiles who opposed Trump when he was in the White House.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, seeking to protect their slim House majority, is already putting out an ad on these topics.

"Trump and Republicans in Congress sided with the violent QAnon mob," says the ad running in the districts of seven House Republicans who are considered vulnerable in 2022.

Trump has made clear he plans to get involved in 2022, including in potentially divisive Republican primaries.

A week ago, House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy met with Trump at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla. Afterward, Trump's office issued a written statement indicating that his endorsements will be a major factor in 2022.

"President Trump’s popularity has never been stronger than it is today, and his endorsement means more than perhaps any endorsement at any time," said a readout from his office.

The Wall Street Journal editorial page, a conservative barometer, said this week that the way Republicans handle Cheney and Greene will make impressions on many voters.

"If bowing before all things Trump is the litmus test for being a loyal Republican," the Journal said, "the party should get used to continued losses in the suburbs."

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: Donald Trump backers didn't oust Liz Cheney but GOP civil war goes on

 

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-backers-failed-down-110026422.html

 

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Read the statement from GOP Rep. Liz Cheney, chair of the House GOP Conference, on why she'll vote to impeach Donald Trump

Ledyard King
USA TODAY
 
WASHINGTON – Wyoming GOP Rep. Liz Cheney, the third most powerful Republican member of the House, announced Tuesday she will vote to support legislation impeaching President Donald Trump.
 

The article of impeachment House Democrats have introduced charges the president with "incitement of insurrection," for what scores of lawmakers say was his direct role in fomenting violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

The rampage by the pro-Trump mob left one police officer dead, a female rioter fatally shot and three other assailants dead.

House Republican Conference Chair Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wy., speaks during a news conference following the weekly GOP caucus meeting at the Capitol Feb. 11, 2020 in Washington.
 

Cheney is one of at least five House Republicans who have announced they will join Democrats in voting to impeach the president. The others are John Katko of New York, Fred Upton of Michigan, Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois. Others are expected to join as well.

The House is is expected to vote om impeachment late Wednesday afternoon.

 

Here's the statement Cheney, the daughter of former Vice President **** Cheney, issued Tuesday:

"On January 6, 2021 a violent mob attacked the United States Capitol to obstruct the process of our democracy and stop the counting of presidential electoral votes. This insurrection caused injury, death and destruction in the most sacred space in our Republic. 

"Much more will become clear in coming days and weeks, but what we know now is enough. The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution. 

"I will vote to impeach the President."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/13/liz-cheney-explains-why-shes-voting-impeach-president-donald-trump/6652418002/

 

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GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger mocks GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz after House GOP votes to keep Liz Cheney in leadership

 
 
Peter Weber
Wed, February 3, 2021, 11:41 PM
 
 
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House Republicans voted by secret ballot Wednesday night to retain Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wy.) as the No. 3 leader in their caucus, so it's impossible to know which 145 Republicans voted to keep Cheney in leadership and which 61 voted to oust her for voting to impeach former President Donald Trump. But you'd be pretty safe betting that Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) — who joined Cheney and eight other GOP colleagues to impeach Trump — voted for Cheney and Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who traveled to Wyoming to attack Cheney, did not.

 

Gaetz had assured Stephen Bannon on his "War Room" podcast that their faction of the GOP had enough votes to remove Cheney, but also predicted that the "establishment" would find some way to "avoid a vote." Cheney reportedly insisted on a vote during the closed-door House GOP meeting, in which she also pointedly declined to apologize for voting to impeach Trump.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-rep-adam-kinzinger-mocks-044107505.html

 

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To vote for impeachment on a private citizen shows that every one that does has no clue about the Constitution.

It is for a sitting president. 

The true colors of these Rinos are showing since they think the Dems will protect them.

They are all guilty of a sham impeachment vote.

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6 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

To vote for impeachment on a private citizen shows that every one that does has no clue about the Constitution.

It is for a sitting president. 

The true colors of these Rinos are showing since they think the Dems will protect them.

They are all guilty of a sham impeachment vote.

 

But Trump wasn't a private citizen at the time the House voted to impeach him the second time.

 

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39 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

But Trump wasn't a private citizen at the time the House voted to impeach him the second time.

 

GO RV, then BV

 

You mean that snap impeachment with zero witnesses, and no opportunity for a defense offered......is that your idea of what Justice in America  should look like?

CL

 

Thought this was a Chaney thread?

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7 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

 

You mean that snap impeachment with zero witnesses, and no opportunity for a defense offered......is that your idea of what Justice in America  should look like?

CL

 

Thought this was a Chaney thread?

 

Plenty of witnesses....in fact, there were almost 435 of them at the impeachment vote....After they came out of hiding from the insurrection....Open and shut case, everybody knows it.....having the courage or willingness to call it out for what it was is a whole other issue....and for feckless politicians up for reelection in less than 2 years, it speaks volumes to their lack of public courage.

 

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3 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Plenty of witnesses....in fact, there were almost 435 of them at the impeachment vote....After they came out of hiding from the insurrection....Open and shut case, everybody knows it.....having the courage or willingness to call it out for what it was is a whole other issue....and for feckless politicians up for reelection in less than 2 years, it speaks volumes to their lack of public courage.

 

GO RV, then BV

 

From what I know about the Law.....and the Constitution...

 

.....there is no such thing as an open and shut case.....

You must be thinking of how Justice in China works....    CL

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Liz Cheney reportedly told GOP conference she won't apologize for impeachment vote

 
 
Tim O'Donnell
Wed, February 3, 2021, 5:46 PM EST
 
 
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Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) held her ground in a closed-door House Republican conference meeting Wednesday, CNN reports.

Cheney, who has faced criticism from some GOP House members for voting to impeach former President Donald Trump last month, reportedly calmly but firmly told those gathered she won't apologize for the vote. The No. 3 House Republican also reportedly called for a vote on her status as the House Republican conference chair, which, CNN notes, was interpreted by some in the room to mean Cheney is confident about her standing.

Indeed, most Republicans have not gone after Cheney, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) is also reportedly planning to defend Cheney and make the case for her to remain in the leadership position.

 
 

Meanwhile, regarding the separate, but related, GOP drama in the lower chamber, McCarthy issued an official statement Wednesday condemning past conspiracy theory-laden comments made by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), but he did not indicate any plans to kick her off committees, instead saying he'll "hold her to her word" that she'll hold herself to a "higher standard" as a member of Congress.

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57 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

But Trump wasn't a private citizen at the time the House voted to impeach him the second time.

 

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He is now. He is out of office. He is a private citizen. If this was a R controlled H + S and they were going after Obama or Clinton there would be a screaming hissy fit from the Left, citing the very same things the Rs are saying now. 

The Dems open this can of worms and there is no putting them back in. 

Puts every past president in the cross hairs for impeachment.

 

Show one quote from Trump on inauguration day where he told anyone to go riot and destroy the Capitol. 

 

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1 minute ago, nstoolman1 said:

He is now. He is out of office. He is a private citizen. If this was a R controlled H + S and they were going after Obama or Clinton there would be a screaming hissy fit from the Left, citing the very same things the Rs are saying now. 

The Dems open this can of worms and there is no putting them back in. 

Puts every past president in the cross hairs for impeachment.

 

Show one quote from Trump on inauguration day where he told anyone to go riot and destroy the Capitol. 

 

 

You are right....there would be a hissy fit if the shoe were on the other foot.....And McConnell would be driving the vote, just like he did through the entire Obama administration.

 

And note:  Donald wasn't at this impeachment....and the insurrection happened on the 6th of January where he did speak, not the 20th.

 

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7 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

I travel some......I don't think anyone needs to travel to a place to comprehend it...."Communist China" should tell you all you need to know...     CL

 

Well, I do like Chinese food, inexpensive knockoffs of name brands, dubbed martial arts flicks and their ancient history....I don't particularly know that much about their communist government, which seems to be what communist countries want, same as Russia.  We take our governments word on what they're all about.....So, it's funny according to folks around here I supposed to not trust our government, but when they talk about China, I can count on the truth....Weird, don't you think?

 

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4 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

You are right....there would be a hissy fit if the shoe were on the other foot.....And McConnell would be driving the vote, just like he did through the entire Obama administration.

 

And note:  Donald wasn't at this impeachment....and the insurrection happened on the 6th of January where he did speak, not the 20th.

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Sorry wrong date same question. Show me a quote that mentions that he wants riots or insurrection. 

Not insinuated but the actual words. 

 

 

 

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Liz Chaney.....the Clinton, Bush....dynasty comes to mind... 

Old establishment political fodder... here comes Chelsea...😮

 

Chaney is perhaps the HRC type of hope for the establishment right...

In her State she is down 28 pts.....Greene is up 10% in hers....

 

Nope....I take no value in the US MSM, on how they paint China.....but look to the news sources close to China as the best sources...Try India first....

CL

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15 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

 

Sorry wrong date same question. Show me a quote that mentions that he wants riots or insurrection. 

Not insinuated but the actual words. 

 

That's for congress to decide....and there are multiple examples of rioters saying Trump directed them to go to the Capital....and some of them obviously took him at his word when he said "You have to fight like hell".  If he doesn't tell them to go to the Capital, none of it happens.

 

Tell me this, with or without this upcoming Senate impeachment process.....would you personally feel any different about the country's ability to heal with duly elected President Joe Biden (D) in office?

 

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26 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

That's for congress to decide....and there are multiple examples of rioters saying Trump directed them to go to the Capital....and some of them obviously took him at his word when he said "You have to fight like hell".  If he doesn't tell them to go to the Capital, none of it happens.

 

Tell me this, with or without this upcoming Senate impeachment process.....would you personally feel any different about the country's ability to heal with duly elected President Joe Biden (D) in office?

 

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I'll answer that.....Obama was elected the 1st go around on "Hope & Change"...he had the House and Senate those first 2 years, and it was...."my way or the highway"....Crazy Nancy was spewing stuff like...."we need to sign the bill so we can open it up to see what it says"...

 

Same thing is happening today.....just a 1 pony, dog and pony, show.....Pony up Joe will be making his exit before too long......just a figure head for any number of reasons.....   

 

So in answer...Joe is not a uniter....

 

JMO.   CL

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I'll answer that.....Obama was elected the 1st go around on "Hope & Change"...he had the House and Senate those first 2 years, and it was...."my way or the highway"....Crazy Nancy was spewing stuff like...."we need to sign the bill so we can open it up to see what it says"...

 

Same thing is happening today.....just a 1 pony, dog and pony, show.....Pony up Joe will be making his exit before too long......just a figure head for any number of reasons.....   

 

So in answer...Joe is not a uniter....

 

JMO.   CL

 

And still as a self professed independent, or similar, for lack of a better word.....you completely skip over McConnell locking the Senate down to his way or the highway.  Wonder why that is?

 

I hope you and I both agree bipartisan legislation is the only way to constructively move our country forward....That said, I don't believe I've ever heard anybody from the "Right" on this board promote cooperation between (R) and (D)....only OUR way or the highway seems to be their mantra.   

 

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2 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Tell me this, with or without this upcoming Senate impeachment process.....would you personally feel any different about the country's ability to heal with duly elected President Joe Biden (D) in office?

 

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To answer your question. No.

One of the biggest thorn in a lot of people's side IS the impeachment process taking place. They are going after him when many on the left did nothing for the past 9 months about the radical forces attemping to burn and destroy the country. It is being used past and present to remove, slander, impune the sitting president. Healing will only take place once the thorn is removed. For me, Biden was not duly elected. Too many discrepancies in the election process. Known facts that were not taken up by the proper authorities.  

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1 hour ago, nstoolman1 said:

 

To answer your question. No.

One of the biggest thorn in a lot of people's side IS the impeachment process taking place. They are going after him when many on the left did nothing for the past 9 months about the radical forces attemping to burn and destroy the country. It is being used past and present to remove, slander, impune the sitting president. Healing will only take place once the thorn is removed. For me, Biden was not duly elected. Too many discrepancies in the election process. Known facts that were not taken up by the proper authorities.  

 

Two honest questions:  1) Who do you consider the proper authorities?.....and 2) How would you react if said proper authorities said nothing to see here?

 

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Two honest questions:  1) Who do you consider the proper authorities?.....and 2) How would you react if said proper authorities said nothing to see here?

 

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1. Honest, unbiased, non corrupt, non political individuals. 

2. That would indicate they were not #1. 

I have seen unbiased evidence and facts that indicate discrepancies.  I can't do anything.

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Cheney, along with McConnell represent the worst of the old establishment status quo republicans....she apparently believes Bush is the President and Daddy is still the VP....She seems to have zero understanding of those who voted for her, and she represents.

 

Like it or not the right is the party of Trump......not because he is so good....but because the status quo is so bad......some day the left may wake up.....that Clinton machine.....along with the old fossil dinosaurs like Pelosi and Schmur need to be turned out to pasture....JMO.    CL

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/liz-cheney-impeachment-censure-trump-b1798723.html

 

 

Wyoming GOP censures Liz Cheney over impeachment vote against Trump
Third-ranked GOP leader in House was one of just 10 Republicans who voted to impeach ex-president for second time

 

Josh Marcus
San Francisco
10 hours ago


<p>Liz Cheney heads to the House floor to vote at the US Capitol on 3 February</p>


Liz Cheney heads to the House floor to vote at the US Capitol on 3 February

 

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The Wyoming Republican Party has voted to formally censure congresswoman Liz Cheney following her vote in January to impeach Donald Trump.

 

It also called on Ms Cheney, the third highest ranked Republican in the House and one of just 10 from the party to back impeachment, to "immediately" resign and promised to withhold future political funding.


Wyoming Republican officials said the vote represented widespread anger at the congresswoman.

 

"No county in the state has heard this resolution and ultimately voted it down,"

 

Carbon County Republican party chairman Joey Correnti IV told the Casper Star Tribune. "Seventy per cent of the counties in this state took it up, and every single one passed it. That is the voice of the people." 


Ms Cheney stood by her decision.

 

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Cheney keeps GOP leadership role in blow to Trump faithful as Greene faces no consequences for bigoted remarks
Cheney keeps GOP leadership role in blow to Trump faithful as Greene faces no consequences for bigoted remarks


"My vote to impeach was compelled by the oath I swore to the constitution," she told CNN on Saturday following the vote.

 

"Wyoming citizens know that this oath does not bend or yield to politics or partisanship."

 

The other Republicans who voted against their standard-bearer have faced a similar backlash, with the South Carolina GOP censuring representative Tom Rice.

 

Ms Cheney still has the backing of her House colleagues though, who voted 145 to 61 to keep her on as conference chair on Wednesday.

 

The vote wraps up a week marked by an extraordinary amount of division within the Republican Party, which operated as a mostly united front during the Trump years and banded together to resist the Obama administration at nearly every turn.


The day before the Wyoming censure vote, Democrats as well as a few Republicans voted to oust hard-right congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene from her committee placements, following revelations she previously endorsed conspiracy theories like QAnon, threatened her Muslim colleagues, and liked posts on social media calling for violence and death towards elected Democrats.


The tension over the future of the party has got so bad that one former Republican congressman, Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, says he and others have begun discussing whether they should form a "new party or a new faction" after the "ugly populism" of the Trump years.

 

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1 hour ago, coorslite21 said:

Cheney, along with McConnell represent the worst of the old establishment status quo republicans....she apparently believes Bush is the President and Daddy is still the VP....She seems to have zero understanding of those who voted for her, and she represents.

 

Like it or not the right is the party of Trump......not because he is so good....but because the status quo is so bad......some day the left may wake up.....that Clinton machine.....along with the old fossil dinosaurs like Pelosi and Schmur need to be turned out to pasture....JMO.    CL

You are right CL. The old Republican Party is dead. It’s now becoming the party of Q. The more radical the views the better. That was played out with the vote between Cheney and MTG. Only 11 members of the Q-party voted against her. And 61 voted against Cheney. If the vote wasn’t secret against Cheney she would have been voted out. What that tells me is well over half of the Republicans in Congress are scared to death of Trump and his radical right supporters. 

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