Trump Appeal

[Whatshername]

Anyone ready for a fresh Trump thread?  There are so many great articles... it was hard to choose!  This one just spoke to me...

 

 

Trump Appeal

 

Doug Giles

 

 

 

 

Thank God The Donald’s in the Presidential mix for 2016.

 

So, why doth I thank Christ Jesus for The Donald’s presence in this next election? Well… it’s not because of the hairdo, but it’s principally because he’s a refreshing, equal opportunity offender who has perfected and joyfully given the middle finger to the media and the appropriate political hacks both on the Left and the supposed Right.

 

Yep, what I primarily dig about Donald is he doesn’t give a shiitake mushroom about Hillarious or whomever Rove is trying to prop up and considers the likes of Karl and the Hildebeest to be slimy chunks of corn that are culpable for this abysmal America mess.

 

Some of my Facebook "friends" have been giving me grief, asking me if I "really believe Trump could become President" with that tsk-tsk tone of typed, social-media emoticon derision; and if I would "really vote for him for president?"

 

Would I vote for him if it boiled down to him versus Hillarious? Uh, duh. For that matter, I’d vote for Donald Trump’s turd before I would vote for that nasty, vile, corrupt-to-the-core, long-toothed, lardy hagfish otherwise known as, Hillarious Rodham Clinton.

 

To answer the question if I know in July of 2015 if Donald will get the GOP nod and knock out Hillarious or whomever in the forthcoming general election: no... I do not know. My crystal ball ain’t that clear, Queequeg.

 

I would have never thought that a junior state senator from Illinois who’s only accomplishment was writing two books about himself and being a community organizer for a non-profit group that was cool with giving home loans for whorehouses for underage sex-slaves from El Salvador would’ve ever gotten to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but he did.

 

What I do know is, amidst the field of GOP pretenders and snoozers, he and Ted Cruz are the only ones that make me stop packing all my earthly crap and moving to Chile.

 

What unmistakably comes across when I watch Donald is not only are his wife and daughter gorgeous, but he loves America and he hates those that hate us, our freedoms, our founding docs, our prosperity and our national security; and he is not nice about it. He’s not trying to be everybody’s buddy. He’s not worried if some CNN piss-ant doesn’t like his "tone". Trump understands we’re economically, militarily and culturally screwed and our day doesn’t need another politically correct weathervane but a patriotic lightening rod to lead us.

 

I, for one, dig the fact that Trump straight up shows disgust and derision towards all of our enemies, both foreign and domestic, and his goal is not to sweet talk them but expose and hammer them like a loose board at The Property Brothers' house.

 

A lot of whiners with boldness envy think that DT is too bombastic and arrogant. What many take for pride I take as confidence based in many years of building stonking mega-businesses; and what many take for bombast I give to a deep zeal to make America exceptional again.

 

Win or lose, Trump will definitely shore up, embolden and weed out our GOP contenders. He will ferret the phonies from amongst us, for sure. They won’t be able to ignore him. He’s here to pick a fight with the Left and the Right. He’s not a politician. He’s not a butt-kisser. He’s not afraid of the media. He’s not afraid of HRC and he’s not afraid of The GOP; and his expertise has earned him billions and as you can tell… I’m glad he’s tossed his hat into the ring.

[Jaxinjersey]

Awesome start to the thread... and with no needle!  Thanks WHN!  

[SnowGlobe7]

   

[bigwave]

"I, for one, dig the fact that Trump straight up shows disgust and derision towards all of our enemies, both foreign and domestic, and his goal is not to sweet talk them but expose and hammer them like a loose board..."

That makes two of us for sure.

[pattyangel]

Thanks Whatshername for bringing a fresh thread of Donald. 

 

You know what I like about this man?!?! He's doesn't care for political correctness.

 

It's almost entertaining to watch those who are not inline with this mans approach.  It's amusing to watch the media squirm at his every response.  It's fun to watch the GOP uneasiness.  This man is clearly lighting some fire under their a$$.  lol!!!!

[divemaster5734]

 

Yep, what I primarily dig about Donald is he doesn’t give a shiitake mushroom about Hillarious or whomever

 

nuff said..

Almost, anyway.

If what's going on behind the scenes in WA republican party discussions are indicative of every state's state of affairs, it's a regular shitstorm across the nation.

I'm loving it, because it has finally given the minority conservatives trying to work from within the party a catalyst.

It's been years of frustrating election seasons, courting the public with candidates either too scared to face all issues, or highly polarized folks with zero experience.

Trump is probably one of the only business executives alive with the preexisting branding that could carry the credibility required for a diverse public acceptance.

  He is redefining the issues, reshaping must win issues in such a way that the truth is now exposed in America’s political daylight.  Issues that were once off limits cloaked in political double speak are now front and center and sucking the wind out of old-school GOP-backed campaign sails.

Ronald Reagan was an actor and statesman.

​Even before becoming governor of California, he was president of the screen actors guild,(union).

 

Think about it, we haven't had a successful businessman in the White House since the Founding Fathers.

After that we had a few, like Bush, who was born into his family's oil, Carter, a peanut farmer, Truman failed a men's clothing store,( but was 1st rejected for regular army and dropped out of college), and Hoover was an engineer.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, that's it.

If Trump wins, it will be the first time in history a very successful businessman has become president.

I understand the paradox, after spending my days fighting off hordes government leeches, each trying to manufacture any excuse to add extra fees or penalty's to the already unfairly large percentage of the fruits of my labor, there is no possible way I could ever accept any position to ally with those collectivist takers. 

However, Trump has always been Trump.

What I mean by that is if you take Bill Gates for example.

He was just some kid out of college, knew a guy that developed an operating system, DOS, bought the copyright, and leased it.

But after years of very hard work, he changed, and now, spends millions to promote depopulation and a one world government.

Gates is not a "man of the people" anymore. 

 

Were it not for Trump, 2016 was shaping up to be a moderate field,  with Walker, Carson, and Cruz possible exemptions from the establishment toons.

Let there be no mistake, America's very survival is what is at stake in the 2016 elections.

[DinarMillionaire]

Would I vote for him if it boiled down to him versus Hillarious? Uh, duh. For that matter, I’d vote for Donald Trump’s turd before I would vote for that nasty, vile, corrupt-to-the-core, long-toothed, lardy hagfish otherwise known as, Hillarious Rodham Clinton.

Some things are just worth repeating! roflmao

[ocdude]

Trump International Golf Club Puerto Rico filed for bankruptcy as Donald Trump, the billionaire real estate mogul who licensed his name to the property, makes a bid for the White House.

The partnership he has with the Puerto Rico golf club is one of his "Trump Branded Projects." In press releases about other branding deals, the Trump Organization has said the projects "represent the highest level of excellence and luxury" and "continue to raise the bar of superior luxurious living."

The Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing indicates the golf resort plans to reorganize its business and pay creditors back over time.

[bigwave]

Trump International Golf Club Puerto Rico filed for bankruptcy as Donald Trump, the billionaire real estate mogul who licensed his name to the property, makes a bid for the White House.

The partnership he has with the Puerto Rico golf club is one of his "Trump Branded Projects." In press releases about other branding deals, the Trump Organization has said the projects "represent the highest level of excellence and luxury" and "continue to raise the bar of superior luxurious living."

The Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing indicates the golf resort plans to reorganize its business and pay creditors back over time.

 

I am also pretty sure tha if Trump was to have run it with his people it may have faired better.

 

With the branding deals he makes money just with his name. So sweet.

[divemaster5734]

Trump International Golf Club Puerto Rico filed for bankruptcy as Donald Trump, the billionaire real estate mogul who licensed his name to the property, makes a bid for the White House.

The partnership he has with the Puerto Rico golf club is one of his "Trump Branded Projects." In press releases about other branding deals, the Trump Organization has said the projects "represent the highest level of excellence and luxury" and "continue to raise the bar of superior luxurious living."

The Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing indicates the golf resort plans to reorganize its business and pay creditors back over time.

 

So you obviously have no idea what chapter 11 is about.

It is an extremely important and vital tool, 100% legal, and the ONLY way to put off the pack of lender hounds wildly baying at your door, trying to heartlessly and ignorantly rip you to pieces.

Not only that, it is far and above the most intelligent way to reduce overhead in order to be able to reinvest overhead while building.

 Trump is only managing the course, it is obviously a bad economy out there, and his managers are doing everything within their power to make the place turn a profit for the owners.

If Trump was trying to "cheat" he would have had them do a chapter 7, a full discharge.

In a chapter 11  reorganization, they have 2 years of reduced payments to service the loans, after which they can either do a 7 or power out of the 11 by renegotiating the loans.

Every creditor has to split a set monthly amount during the 2 year wait.

You really should have a freaking clue what your talking about before you go trying to smear people.

By the way, did you know the USA has been in Admiralty bankruptcy 3 times?

It's fine you don't like him, but you should refrain from talking out the side of your neck.

[ocdude]

So you obviously have no idea what chapter 11 is about.

It is an extremely important and vital tool, 100% legal, and the ONLY way to put off the pack of lender hounds wildly baying at your door, trying to heartlessly and ignorantly rip you to pieces.

Not only that, it is far and above the most intelligent way to reduce overhead in order to be able to reinvest overhead while building.

 Trump is only managing the course, it is obviously a bad economy out there, and his managers are doing everything within their power to make the place turn a profit for the owners.

If Trump was trying to "cheat" he would have had them do a chapter 7, a full discharge.

In a chapter 11  reorganization, they have 2 years of reduced payments to service the loans, after which they can either do a 7 or power out of the 11 by renegotiating the loans.

Every creditor has to split a set monthly amount during the 2 year wait.

You really should have a freaking clue what your talking about before you go trying to smear people.

By the way, did you know the USA has been in Admiralty bankruptcy 3 times?

It's fine you don't like him, but you should refrain from talking out the side of your n

 

 

 

Chapter 11 in general

When a business is unable to service its debt or pay its creditors, the business or its creditors can file with a federal bankruptcy court for protection under either Chapter 7 or Chapter 11.

In Chapter 7, the business ceases operations, a trustee sells all of its assets, and then distributes the proceeds to its creditors. Any residual amount is returned to the owners of the company. In Chapter 11, in most instances the debtor remains in control of its business operations as a debtor in possession, and is subject to the oversight and jurisdiction of the court.^[2]

Features of Chapter 11 reorganization

Chapter 11 retains many of the features present in all, or most, bankruptcy proceedings in the U.S. It provides additional tools for debtors as well. Most importantly, 11 U.S.C. § 1108 empowers the trustee to operate the debtor's business. In Chapter 11, unless a separate trustee is appointed for cause, the debtor, as debtor in possession, acts as trustee of the business.^[3]

 

If the business is insolvent, its debts exceed its assets and the business is unable to pay debts as they come due,^[5] the bankruptcy restructuring may result in the company's owners being left with nothing; instead, the owners' rights and interests are ended and the company's creditors are left with ownership of the newly reorganized company.

[DinarMillionaire]

Ocdude, you should know when to quit...

You obviously came to a gunfight with Divemaster and not only are you armed with a butter knife, you just handed Dive a box of bullets. You showed that you really don't understand bankruptcy law. It's a LEGAL way to position your company to negotiate better deals with your ceditors, as Trump does. For example...you buy a company...because you are smart enough to know it has great potential for profits, but know the biggest problem it has, is the way it has been run and you know by filing for Chapter 11, you can turn it around and realize those profits, because you know a better way to run the company. Or can you explain to us just how Trump became a BILLIONAIRE by being such a failure, that he had to file bankruptcy, as you are suggesting.

[ocdude]

Ocdude, you should know when to quit...

You obviously came to a gunfight with Divemaster and not only are you armed with a butter knife, you just handed Dive a box of bullets. You showed that you really don't understand bankruptcy law. It's a LEGAL way to position your company to negotiate better deals with your ceditors, as Trump does. For example...you buy a company...because you are smart enough to know it has great potential for profits, but know the biggest problem it has, is the way it has been run and you know by filing for Chapter 11, you can turn it around and realize those profits, because you know a better way to run the company. Or can you explain to us just how Trump became a BILLIONAIRE by being such a failure, that he had to file bankruptcy, as you are suggesting.

Trump never files PERSONAL bankruptcy...he protects his own money while leaving his investors out to dry. Every time he has filed bks for his business, he has been asked to give back part of his ownership of the business. He now only owns about 5% of the businesses that have filed. He makes his money by playing the clown on tv.  He plays to the crowd. He has no real intention of being president, and he doesn't even offer any kind of plan for if he was elected. All this is doing is feeding his enormous ego. It's all show biz.

 

In 1991, Trump's Taj Mahal located in Atlantic City was in debt for billions of dollars. As a result, Trump's corporation filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The Bankruptcy court allowed Trump to reorganize his corporate debts and allowed the casino to keep operating. Trump did surrender half of his ownership interests in the Taj Mahal. He chose to sell his yacht and airplane to help make loan payments.

In 1992, Trump filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on his Trump Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City. At this time, Trump owed $550 million on the Trump Plaza Hotel. As part of the restructuring, Trump gave Citibank a 49% interest in the hotel. He was given a lenient repayment plan. Trump was able to stay on as CEO but he had to give up his salary.

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts filed for bankruptcy in 2004. The corporation had $1.8 billion dollars of debt. Trump reduced his share in the company to 25% thereby surrendering his control of the corporation. The corporation received lower interest rates and another loan to upgrade the properties.

In 2009, Trump Entertainment Resorts filed bankruptcy after missing a large bond interest payment. Trump was not able to agree with his board of directors on a repayment plan so he resigned as chairman of the board and retained only a 10% ownership interest in the corporation.

Law Dictionary: How is Donald Trump Able to File for Bankruptcy So Many Times? 

Edited July 14, 2015 by ocdude

[Jaxinjersey]

Trump never files PERSONAL bankruptcy...he protects his own money while leaving his investors out to dry. Every time he has filed bks for his business, he has been asked to give back part of his ownership of the business. He now only owns about 5% of the businesses that have filed. He makes his money by playing the clown on tv.  He plays to the crowd. He has no real intention of being president, and he doesn't even offer any kind of plan for if he was elected. All this is doing is feeding his enormous ego. It's all show biz.

Why would he file for personal bankruptcy?  You are absolutely clueless about business finances.  LMAO

[Shabibilicious]

This thread is over-the-top offensive........lardy hagfish cooks us quite nicely.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[ocdude]

Why would he file for personal bankruptcy?  You are absolutely clueless about business finances.  LMAO

LOL....you wouldn't ever guess how funny that is.

[Jaxinjersey]

LOL....you wouldn't ever guess how funny that is.

I already do know... simply by your refusal to answer the simple question.   Care to take a stab at it for us?  In your own words please... 

[ocdude]

I already do know... simply by your refusal to answer the simple question.   Care to take a stab at it for us?  In your own words please... 

No, you don't know. But I will tell you this.

 

A bk makes sense to some businesses....ONCE.

 

If you are forced to give up an ever increasing amount of your business every time you fall into debt.......the investors know that you are not a good businessman.

 

So...you think that a man who saves his personal fortune, while forcing his investors to take a loss and being left with less and less power in his own companies.....would be GOOD for this country??

 

Trump is a side show...a comedian.

 

If he loses the nomination...it will be a big shock to his ego.

 

If he wins the nomination, he will not beat H ilary....a HUGE shock to his ego.  

 

So....win win for me....I'll just get out the popcorn and enjoy the show.

[Jaxinjersey]

No, you don't know. But I will tell you this.

 

A bk makes sense to some businesses....ONCE.

 

If you are forced to give up an ever increasing amount of your business every time you fall into debt.......the investors know that you are not a good businessman.

 

So...you think that a man who saves his personal fortune, while forcing his investors to take a loss and being left with less and less power in his own companies.....would be GOOD for this country??

 

OK... so you won't answer the question, because you don't know.  We were talking about PERSONAL bankruptcy.  It's pretty simple and takes only a few sentences.  In respect to that, the rest of what you just said makes no sense and is invalid.  Talking points and links to things you don't understand is simply a waste of everyone's time, especially if you can't back it up in your own words.  

[ocdude]

OK... so you won't answer the question, because you don't know.  We were talking about PERSONAL bankruptcy.  It's pretty simple and takes only a few sentences.  In respect to that, the rest of what you just said makes no sense and is invalid.  Talking points and links to things you don't understand is simply a waste of everyone's time, especially if you can't back it up in your own words.  

 

 

Okay...once again...slowly. No one was talking about PERSONAL BKs because the Donald has always been able to weasel out of having to file that. The Donald has only filed BKs for his businesses, so why would you think that we were talking about personal BKS.....LOL. And he very nearly DID have to file personal BK the first time his business failed.

 

I AM the one backing up what I am saying....and saying that I don't know.....well, that's just plain hilarious.

 

By 1989, poor business decisions left Trump unable to meet loan payments. Trump financed the construction of his third casino, the $1 billion Taj Mahal, primarily with high-interest junk bonds. Although he shored up his businesses with additional loans and postponed interest payments, by 1991 increasing debt brought Trump to business bankruptcy^[37] and to the brink of personal bankruptcy. Banks and bond holders had lost hundreds of millions of dollars, but opted to restructure his debt to avoid the risk of losing more money in court. The Taj Mahal emerged from bankruptcy on October 5, 1991, with Trump ceding 50 percent ownership in the casino to the original bondholders in exchange for lowered interest rates on the debt and more time to pay it off.^[38]

Edited July 14, 2015 by ocdude

[Jaxinjersey]

Okay...once again...slowly. No one was talking about PERSONAL BKs because the Donald has always been able to weasel out of having to file that. The Donald has only filed BKs for his businesses, so why would you think that we were talking about personal BKS.....LOL. And he very nearly DID have to file personal BK the first time his business failed.

 

I AM the one backing up what I am saying....and saying that I don't know.....well, that's just plain hilarious.

 

By 1989, poor business decisions left Trump unable to meet loan payments. Trump financed the construction of his third casino, the $1 billion Taj Mahal, primarily with high-interest junk bonds. Although he shored up his businesses with additional loans and postponed interest payments, by 1991 increasing debt brought Trump to business bankruptcy^[37] and to the brink of personal bankruptcy. Banks and bond holders had lost hundreds of millions of dollars, but opted to restructure his debt to avoid the risk of losing more money in court. The Taj Mahal emerged from bankruptcy on October 5, 1991, with Trump ceding 50 percent ownership in the casino to the original bondholders in exchange for lowered interest rates on the debt and more time to pay it off.^[38]

Ummmm... you're the one that opened up that can of worms...  your post below!  So, I repeat... why would he?

 

Trump never files PERSONAL bankruptcy...he protects his own money while leaving his investors out to dry. Every time he has filed bks for his business, he has been asked to give back part of his ownership of the business. He now only owns about 5% of the businesses that have filed. He makes his money by playing the clown on tv.  He plays to the crowd. He has no real intention of being president, and he doesn't even offer any kind of plan for if he was elected. All this is doing is feeding his enormous ego. It's all show biz.

 

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/205452-trump-appeal/#ixzz3fu32JtRQ

Edited July 14, 2015 by Jaxinjersey

[ocdude]

Ummmm... you're the one that opened up that can of worms...  your post below!  So, I repeat... why would he?

 

Trump never files PERSONAL bankruptcy...he protects his own money while leaving his investors out to dry. Every time he has filed bks for his business, he has been asked to give back part of his ownership of the business. He now only owns about 5% of the businesses that have filed. He makes his money by playing the clown on tv.  He plays to the crowd. He has no real intention of being president, and he doesn't even offer any kind of plan for if he was elected. All this is doing is feeding his enormous ego. It's all show biz.

 

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/205452-trump-appeal/#ixzz3fu32JtRQ

Yes, that is what I said. He NEVER FILED PERSONAL BK. The conversation is centered around his CORPORATE BKs....where he left his investors with the loss while protecting his own money. His own investors refused to come to terms until he reduced his ownership and control and finally gave it up altogether.

[Jaxinjersey]

Yes, that is what I said. He NEVER FILED PERSONAL BK. The conversation is centered around his CORPORATE BKs....where he left his investors with the loss while protecting his own money. His own investors refused to come to terms until he reduced his ownership and control and finally gave it up altogether.

If it's centered around corporate bankruptcy, why mention PERSONAL?  You said "never files", implying that he should.  I asked, why should he?  Pretty simple... it matters... because you are perpetuating an implied connection.  That's my question... and you won't answer.  You want to take it back?  Fine... but stop with the nonsense.

 

For the sake of other readers... the answer is HE CAN"T.  It's impertinent to his businesses... he does not qualify.  And yes, you must qualify for any bankruptcy filing and consideration.

[ocdude]

If it's centered around corporate bankruptcy, why mention PERSONAL?  You said "never files", implying that he should.  I asked, why should he?  Pretty simple... it matters... because you are perpetuating an implied connection.  That's my question... and you won't answer.  You want to take it back?  Fine... but stop with the nonsense.

 

For the sake of other readers... the answer is HE CAN"T.  It's impertinent to his businesses... he does not qualify.  And yes, you must qualify for any bankruptcy filing and consideration.

 

Nope. Wrong again. He can and almost DID.

 

By 1989, poor business decisions left Trump unable to meet loan payments. Trump financed the construction of his third casino, the $1 billion Taj Mahal, primarily with high-interest junk bonds. Although he shored up his businesses with additional loans and postponed interest payments, by 1991 increasing debt brought Trump to business bankruptcy^[37]and to the brink of personal bankruptcy. Banks and bond holders had lost hundreds of millions of dollars, but opted to restructure his debt to avoid the risk of losing more money in court. The Taj Mahal emerged from bankruptcy on October 5, 1991, with Trump ceding 50 percent ownership in the casino to the original bondholders in exchange for lowered interest rates on the debt and more time to pay it off.^[38]AND

 

 

 

 

^{. Hence, when his casino fell into about a billion dollars in debt, the corporation filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Trump only made the decision to do so once he had spoken to his banks and bondholders. But, by filing, he gave his business the opportunity to regroup and reduce his business debt. It didn't hurt however that it would also reduce his personal debt, as Trump is likely the one every creditor would look to if the Taj Mahal couldn't pay up. So, in fact, Trump avoided potential lawsuits from credits and he may have also avoided personal bankruptcy by keeping his own bank account insulated.}

Edited July 14, 2015 by ocdude

[Jaxinjersey]

Nope. Wrong again. He can and almost DID.

 

By 1989, poor business decisions left Trump unable to meet loan payments. Trump financed the construction of his third casino, the $1 billion Taj Mahal, primarily with high-interest junk bonds. Although he shored up his businesses with additional loans and postponed interest payments, by 1991 increasing debt brought Trump to business bankruptcy^[37]and to the brink of personal bankruptcy. Banks and bond holders had lost hundreds of millions of dollars, but opted to restructure his debt to avoid the risk of losing more money in court. The Taj Mahal emerged from bankruptcy on October 5, 1991, with Trump ceding 50 percent ownership in the casino to the original bondholders in exchange for lowered interest rates on the debt and more time to pay it off.^[38]AND

 

 

 

 

^{. Hence, when his casino fell into about a billion dollars in debt, the corporation filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Trump only made the decision to do so once he had spoken to his banks and bondholders. But, by filing, he gave his business the opportunity to regroup and reduce his business debt. It didn't hurt however that it would also reduce his personal debt, as Trump is likely the one every creditor would look to if the Taj Mahal couldn't pay up. So, in fact, Trump avoided potential lawsuits from credits and he may have also avoided personal bankruptcy by keeping his own bank account insulated.}

You again perpetuate a misunderstanding...

 

Anybody CAN... by qualifying, for personal protection... not business.  Obviously, it was not necessary for him to do so... therefore NOT QUALIFYING. That's up to the courts.  If the courts had insisted his Corporate filings were inadequate, he MAY have had to protect himself personally. It was avoided.  He did not have to delve into his own personal assets, therefore he did not qualify.   Further, IF he had to file personally, it would be primarily, if not only for, his personal protection.  THAT is when creditors get screwed.  THAT is why businesses incorporate.  THAT is what the courts prefer... the creditors prefer... corporate bankruptcy.

 

THAT is why I asked you why PERSONAL was pertinent.  There's your answer.  Try putting it in your own words next time... the links don't tell it all.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Jaxinjersey